Ninjo
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My understanding is that you should only be taking the Hyperdrol X2 on days you're not pulsing; not every day as you've indicated.
How to "pulse" orals
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Mu5tang69
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do you any of u remember the old adrostenedoine?
do you any of u remember the old androstenedione?
it was prolly the first aas pro hormone
when it converted to testosterone it also had a great conversion to DHT & Estrogen
it also has a very short half life which makes it a gud compound to pulse w/ to avoid shutdown.
im wondering if i where to pulse this wud this decrease the DHT & Estrogen sides dramatically?
i dun like the idea of putting a compound into my body that has a great DHT & Estrogen conversion
Shud i jus get rid of it? or wud pulsing it make it usualble w/ sumone w/my interests & dislikes to avoid the sides mentioned?
do you any of u remember the old androstenedione?
it was prolly the first aas pro hormone
when it converted to testosterone it also had a great conversion to DHT & Estrogen
it also has a very short half life which makes it a gud compound to pulse w/ to avoid shutdown.
im wondering if i where to pulse this wud this decrease the DHT & Estrogen sides dramatically?
i dun like the idea of putting a compound into my body that has a great DHT & Estrogen conversion
Shud i jus get rid of it? or wud pulsing it make it usualble w/ sumone w/my interests & dislikes to avoid the sides mentioned?
hman85
Well-known member
How are old are you?
Mu5tang69
Banned
MuscleMadness
New member
hmmm, nice even number there....
RodneyW
New member
I am 44 years old, 5 ft. 10 in., 185 lbs., and approximately 11 percent body fat. I have been lifting seriously for two years, and haphazardly and sporadically most of my adult life. I am currently on HRT, 40 mgs test daily, transdermal application. I started an 8-week pulse cycle of Havoc two weeks ago. This is my first cycle with anabolics, using the following schedule:
week 1 - 10,20,30
week 2 - 30
week 3 - 30
week 4 - 30
week 5 - 30
week 6 - 30
week 7 - 30
week 8 - 30
Question 1: I have not experienced any negative side effects after two weeks. Should I increase to 40 mgs even if this is my first cycle? I plan on running at least three more cycles in the next 12 months.
Question 2: Is shutdown a concern for someone who has low endogenous test production to begin with and on a HRT program? Aren't I already shutdown to some degree?
week 1 - 10,20,30
week 2 - 30
week 3 - 30
week 4 - 30
week 5 - 30
week 6 - 30
week 7 - 30
week 8 - 30
Question 1: I have not experienced any negative side effects after two weeks. Should I increase to 40 mgs even if this is my first cycle? I plan on running at least three more cycles in the next 12 months.
Question 2: Is shutdown a concern for someone who has low endogenous test production to begin with and on a HRT program? Aren't I already shutdown to some degree?
hman85
Well-known member
Is is something to be concerned with get a test booster to take on off days and for pct.
nightfly71
Active member
If you've already got it, I'd go ahead and use it. I'd also run an AI and some saw palmetto w/ it to minimize the sides you mentioned.
Cordwood
New member
Anyone want to comment on any recent experiences they've had with a Dbol only pulse? How did you dose it, how long, AI?, which/how much AI?, SERM on cycle?, gains made, gains kept?, PCT?
Seems everyone is quick to say it's a waste if you're not using it to jumpstart a Test cycle, but then others feel that if used moderately, with an AI, and good PCT that they made out alright. I can't seem to find any good Dbol only logs, but I'm not the best searcher.
Seems everyone is quick to say it's a waste if you're not using it to jumpstart a Test cycle, but then others feel that if used moderately, with an AI, and good PCT that they made out alright. I can't seem to find any good Dbol only logs, but I'm not the best searcher.
Mu5tang69
Banned
hey whats up homie! its gud2 bump in2 u here
thx man guna hav sum fun w/this androstenedione hehe
hman85
Well-known member
I think using dbol by itself has its place. It needs to be used more a supp and not a steroid though. I think low doses for longer periods would yeild some solid gains! imo
nightfly71
Active member
hey whats up homie! its gud2 bump in2 u here
BN boys in the house! Good to see you over here, too. Original andro wasn't the best thing ever, but it's something. if I remember correctly, it's the target hormone of DHEA.
RodneyW
New member
Answer 1: I'd wait another week and if sides are still not there, increase it to 40mg. Also, you should've just asked your doctor to bump up your test dose
Answer 2: Correct. You are already on HRT, so that is causing shutdown of your endogenous test producton. You don't need to worry about Epi shutting you down more. The test should actually help keep your libido around and prevent most sides that people experience while using legal oral steroids. i.e) low libido, lethargy, etc. You'll love Epi btw
Thanks for the reply. On a related issue, I'm wondering how important PCT on a pulse is to someone in my situation. The purpose of PCT is to get the natural production of test up and running as quickly as possible, and that is simply not going to happen while I am on HRT. I am currently taking Post Cycle Support on off days, and was planning on running it also as a PCT. Now I'm wondering if such a protocol is unneccessary. Any thoughts?
thundergod
Well-known member
About the PCT, I would think that at some point maybe 8 to 10 weeks from now, you might consider a PCT just to get off the oral designer you're using. The body still needs a break from it even though you're on HRT. And I would still consider using an AI on your off days while on-cycle if it were me. Even with being on HRT. Any AI of your choice actually. There's lots of differing opinions on which ones are better than others. Opinions are like anuses....everybody has one! :lol: I like TD Formestane and Trione (6-OXO) and I also like oral ATD. But there's many more to choose from. :thumbsup:
guyrelax
New member
good question i'm wondering the same thing. Here's another question I was wondering about...
I see the advantage of tapering different supps for different reasons... serms, AI's, etc.
Why are prohormones, take epi for example, not tapered down at the end of a cycle? I understand tapering up just for safety reasons and to ease your body into it. But wouldn't it make sense to wind down the cycle for a week or 2 so as to no just completely STOP the anabolics all together? This would increase the body's shutdown response i would think...
Any opinions on this?
I see the advantage of tapering different supps for different reasons... serms, AI's, etc.
Why are prohormones, take epi for example, not tapered down at the end of a cycle? I understand tapering up just for safety reasons and to ease your body into it. But wouldn't it make sense to wind down the cycle for a week or 2 so as to no just completely STOP the anabolics all together? This would increase the body's shutdown response i would think...
Any opinions on this?
Brolic
Banned
i think i can answer this.
IMO i ramp up to "listen to my body" and get a feel for the sides.
if u ran ran a 4week run of EPI, 10/20/30/40 and the 4th week, its time to get off the epi and heal ur liver vs 10/20/30/40/30/10.. thats 2 more weeks on ur liver...MAYBE IM WRONG..
i dont how to pulse a 5 day split.. but i quess u would do 3 on 2on 2 off meaning
sun- chest-ON
mon-legs ON
tue- OFF
wen- delt ON
thur-back ON
fri- arms ON
satoff
guyrelax
New member
I don't know, almost might as well go for a full cycle at that point. I chose to go from a 5 day split to a 3 day on my last pulse and dosed MWF. The only other pulsing protocol I've seen is 2 on 1 off 2 on. I guess you could still do a 5 day split and just not take epi on 2 of the days, but that would kind of suck. I hate 3 day splits... pairing shoulders with back or chest almost assures not fully blasting either body part properly IMO. Want to start another pulse soon so I gotta figure it out
hman85
Well-known member
No point in doina a five day pulse 4 is the highest you can go. If you are going to do it for 5 days just go with a real cycle.imo you will be almost as shutdown anyway.
GuyRelax. Tapering down is something that has been down away with it seems. The reason from my understanding is that you wil already be shutdown or close to it and lowering the dose is still going to shut you down. So you migh as wel stay at a larger dose to get the most out of the last weeks.
GuyRelax. Tapering down is something that has been down away with it seems. The reason from my understanding is that you wil already be shutdown or close to it and lowering the dose is still going to shut you down. So you migh as wel stay at a larger dose to get the most out of the last weeks.
RodneyW
New member
I am on 40 mg of test/day in a transdermal PLO gel. Yes, my test was very low, 220 total, 7 free. With HRT I'm at 750 total, 21 free. Now I'm wondering if pulsing has any real benefit for me over running a regular cycle? I am very happy thus far with the results of pulsing Havoc though. Perhaps pulsing has hepatoxic benefits?
RodneyW
New member
I can't imagine getting better results! I just completed my third week, and I've gained 12 pounds with minimal fat gain on 4000 kcals per day. Looking forward to trying 40 mgs!
jacobcoile
Member
Great Thread and Thanks to Dr. D for the innovative thinking as well as thanks to all the other contributers to this!
I have some left over revolt and pheramass by kilosports as well as some epi... was thinking of doing the phera and revolt first: at 3x a week at 20 mg of phera and 100mg of revolt per day will just last me 3 weeks, and the epistane I could start after that at up to 40-50mg 3x a week and still get 3-4 weeks outa that.
Any opinions or feedback or concerns about this cycle idea? Also if I combine the phera and revolt as per my initial idea here, which would I use pre workout ("most androgenic") and which would I use post work out ("most anabolic") I was leaning towards the phera pre and the revolt post...
also I plan on doing my weights in the morn first thing and I also take a very heavy bjj/grappling class in the evenings is there a problem with doing 10mg of phera pre weights in the morn and 50mg of the revolt post and then 10mg phera pre grappling class and 50mg post mg M W F?
and one last question: are you guys taking your pre and post doses with food? Or with a spoon of Olive/flax oil? Or empty stomach? and which do you think would be most effective for the compounds I will be pulsing? I have read Dr. D's timing is 1hour pre and 1 hour post, just didn't find how everyone was taking them.
thanks for all responses and help.
I have some left over revolt and pheramass by kilosports as well as some epi... was thinking of doing the phera and revolt first: at 3x a week at 20 mg of phera and 100mg of revolt per day will just last me 3 weeks, and the epistane I could start after that at up to 40-50mg 3x a week and still get 3-4 weeks outa that.
Any opinions or feedback or concerns about this cycle idea? Also if I combine the phera and revolt as per my initial idea here, which would I use pre workout ("most androgenic") and which would I use post work out ("most anabolic") I was leaning towards the phera pre and the revolt post...
also I plan on doing my weights in the morn first thing and I also take a very heavy bjj/grappling class in the evenings is there a problem with doing 10mg of phera pre weights in the morn and 50mg of the revolt post and then 10mg phera pre grappling class and 50mg post mg M W F?
and one last question: are you guys taking your pre and post doses with food? Or with a spoon of Olive/flax oil? Or empty stomach? and which do you think would be most effective for the compounds I will be pulsing? I have read Dr. D's timing is 1hour pre and 1 hour post, just didn't find how everyone was taking them.
thanks for all responses and help.
hman85
Well-known member
Phera is not the best compound for pulsing it is best saved for straight cycle. It takes a while to build up. I am not sure how the revolt would work pulsing b/c i have no experience with revolt. epistane and superdrol are going to be your hands down best compounds for pulsing! Deffinately take your doses with some sort of good fat it helps the absorption! imo
jacobcoile
Member
Hey thanks for the reply... Your advice is appreciated and I would still like to go ahead with this unless something needs to be reworked or moved around but at the moment I am stuck with just those three compounds and all are partially used bottles LOL hence cycle looking a little offish. In fact the only reason I thought I'd put the phera and revolt together is because I don't have enough phera to justify a high dosed pulse for more than 2 weeks... so if you or someone else has any ideas of which one to use pre workout and which for post workout that would be a big help. and also if it will be good/ok to dose both twice a day since I train weights in the morning and BJJ in the evening, I would appreciate your advice and time. Thanks again.
Oh sorry but to clarify about taking with healthy fats: would it work if I took a 15 to 20 g dose of olive or flax oil and the prohormone first thing in the morn without food, or with? and all are three of these compounds recomonded with the healthy fats or are any of them better empty stomach?
thanks for any assistance you can provide.
hman85
Well-known member
Trying to hold down your fort! lolLooks like you guys are handling things just fine around here. Good to see it.
FuTuRE FAME
Banned
6 week Epistane pulse
Dosing schedule:
I'll be taking Epi on workout days, which are M/T/Th/F
wk.1 10/20/20/30
wk.2 30/30/30/30
wk.3 30/30/30/30
wk.4 40/40/40/40
wk.5 40/40/40/40
wk.6 40/40/40/40
OFF DAYS (W/Sa/Su) : HDX2 & &MassFx 60 servings ( 2caps of each W/Sa/Su) 36 servings while on cycle + 24 post cycle
Anabolic Innovation's Life Support 60 servings*( 2caps W/Sa/Su 36 servings while ON cycle) + (24 servings POST CYCLE )
PCT :6-OXO 60caps* 3 caps a day .. 20 days
Life Support 2 caps a day .. 24 days
HDX2 & &MassFx 2caps a day 24 days
Dosing schedule:
I'll be taking Epi on workout days, which are M/T/Th/F
wk.1 10/20/20/30
wk.2 30/30/30/30
wk.3 30/30/30/30
wk.4 40/40/40/40
wk.5 40/40/40/40
wk.6 40/40/40/40
OFF DAYS (W/Sa/Su) : HDX2 & &MassFx 60 servings ( 2caps of each W/Sa/Su) 36 servings while on cycle + 24 post cycle
Anabolic Innovation's Life Support 60 servings*( 2caps W/Sa/Su 36 servings while ON cycle) + (24 servings POST CYCLE )
PCT :6-OXO 60caps* 3 caps a day .. 20 days
Life Support 2 caps a day .. 24 days
HDX2 & &MassFx 2caps a day 24 days
thundergod
Well-known member
:bb3:
Look like a very sound cycle you have planned there!! Log it!!:head:
p5sky
Well-known member
I did a very similar cycle that went great! I did a PCT with PCS< HD, MassFX, X-Lean. I put on 8 lbs and the PCT allowed me to not just keep the gains, I continued to gain strength and size.
jacobcoile
Member
bump for anyone who might have suggestions
hman85
Well-known member
The whole point of pulsing is to limit suppression, You are not going to do a good job of that working out 2 a day. Not to be rude but you want your cake and you want to eat it too. Honstley there isn'a real need for someone like yourself to be working out 2x day anyway unless you are on cycle. If you are going to keep that workout shcedule then do a regular cycle. puslng has a specific purpose dosing twice a day isn't the right way to pulse.
They will all be absorbed better with some fats imo
They will all be absorbed better with some fats imo
TOYFORDOLET
Member
Could you explain why I keep hearing that phera is not a good pulser? It seems to me like it would be a decent candidate for a pulse because of its fast-acting nature and relatively short half-life. The little feedback I have found seems to be fairly positive. IDK, I could be missing something...
hman85
Well-known member
Exactly! the only to good designers i can think of is superdrol and epistane. I feel superdrol is the best though. Less sides nice gains!
Ninjo
Well-known member
"Less sides"?!...first time i've ever heard that one!
EasyEJL
Never enough
halo's problem is 16ish hour halflife. if you dose 100mg at 8am today, at midnight there is still 50mg worth in system, which is likely enough to suppress you anyhow, loosing the benefit of pulsing. halo has such mild sides to begin with anyhow.
You could make a point of taking all your halo for the day at once in the morning, not a pulse but potentially useful
You could make a point of taking all your halo for the day at once in the morning, not a pulse but potentially useful
jacobcoile
Member
Hey thanks for the info and suggestions guys! That was a lot of great advice. gonna rethink things with your points in mind. Honestly, I wasn't knowlingly going for it all, but I was under the misguided assumption that taking them also before and after my BJJ training would help to keep me from tearing up my gains too much... Your points are much clearer to me now. and I agree some of these compounds do make BJJ training uncomfortable to say the least, as I have experimented with that before on regular cycles, but still had great results, it just wasn't the most pleasant experience as far as cramping and cardio issues! thanks again Hman and Bassgod and others for the replies and advice, they were most helpful!
thundergod
Well-known member
So would cheque drops. YUMM!! :food::lol:Halotestin would make a great pulsing compound
hman85
Well-known member
Ewwwww!!!!!!!
DR.D
Well-known member
actually.... :woohoo:
thundergod
Well-known member
They're Iron Mike's favorite pre-fight supp!!! Makes you wanna bite mo-fo's ears off!!! :aargh::twisted:
primer220
New member
Could there be a benefit to taking different PHs on the days you pulse..... such as;
Havoc-Monday
SDrol- Wed
Havoc- Friday
The benefit of this seems like you could get the surge of hormones on the work days, but limit the some of the side effects of just using one type of individual PH.
If this has been covered already...my bad. There are too many pages in this thread and I couldn't find anything with the search button!!!
Havoc-Monday
SDrol- Wed
Havoc- Friday
The benefit of this seems like you could get the surge of hormones on the work days, but limit the some of the side effects of just using one type of individual PH.
If this has been covered already...my bad. There are too many pages in this thread and I couldn't find anything with the search button!!!
hman85
Well-known member
Probably not the best approach, imo. You could use havoc and superdrol but take the both on all days like 10-super,20-havoc
Ninjo
Well-known member
Agreed...however, if you're going to use SD anyway, you may as well just stick with that as it is extremely potent on it's own. A good way to do it would be 10mg SD pre-workout and another 10mg post-workout. Just my two cents.
THEGEEZ
Active member
6 week Epistane pulse
Dosing schedule:
I'll be taking Epi on workout days, which are M/T/Th/F
wk.1 10/20/20/30
wk.2 30/30/30/30
wk.3 30/30/30/30
wk.4 40/40/40/40
wk.5 40/40/40/40
wk.6 40/40/40/40
OFF DAYS (W/Sa/Su) : HDX2 & &MassFx 60 servings ( 2caps of each W/Sa/Su) 36 servings while on cycle + 24 post cycle
Anabolic Innovation's Life Support 60 servings*( 2caps W/Sa/Su 36 servings while ON cycle) + (24 servings POST CYCLE )
PCT :6-OXO 60caps* 3 caps a day .. 20 days
Life Support 2 caps a day .. 24 days
HDX2 & &MassFx 2caps a day 24 days
Dosing schedule:
I'll be taking Epi on workout days, which are M/T/Th/F
wk.1 10/20/20/30
wk.2 30/30/30/30
wk.3 30/30/30/30
wk.4 40/40/40/40
wk.5 40/40/40/40
wk.6 40/40/40/40
OFF DAYS (W/Sa/Su) : HDX2 & &MassFx 60 servings ( 2caps of each W/Sa/Su) 36 servings while on cycle + 24 post cycle
Anabolic Innovation's Life Support 60 servings*( 2caps W/Sa/Su 36 servings while ON cycle) + (24 servings POST CYCLE )
PCT :6-OXO 60caps* 3 caps a day .. 20 days
Life Support 2 caps a day .. 24 days
HDX2 & &MassFx 2caps a day 24 days
RobInKuwait
Registered User
Has anyone tried pulsing pure androgens, such as MDHT or M5AA. They have an extremely short half-life.