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LakeMountD

LakeMountD

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Just making this thread to see what it is you, the consumer, really want. On our side it is easy to design a product with what we have in mind but I want to hear things that you guys want. It can be general product ideas or specific new ingredients.

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LMD
 
PLEASE, a non hormonal product that would sell for under 50$ US for a month supply that would help with recovery without diminishing effects over time. I keep thinking their has to be some combination of a NO/creatine that most of us will respond to. I am talking small but consistant gains. Maybe it is because of my size I dont respond well to theese products. I probably need to mega dose.
 
agree wtih australian made, would like to add that the gains should not be bloat, or water, but lean mass increases, much easier to maintain. Also, should cause increase in workout intensity/aggression without the need for stim, and the aggression part would have short active life, about an hour so as not to effect other parts of life.
 
Mood enhancer. Similar to new X-dream maybe, but something that won't put you to sleep.
 
I think a lot of this is wishful thinking honestly. It would be hard to find any non pharmaceutical that increases muscle mass, decreases body fat, prevents muscle break down, etc. better than anything currently out there. Heck Epi and SD do a good enough job at that I can't imagine anything doing it any better.

I will look into some mood enhancers though again I think the market is saturated with some good ones like ALCAR and rhodiola.
 
LakeMountD said:
I think a lot of this is wishful thinking honestly. It would be hard to find any non pharmaceutical that increases muscle mass, decreases body fat, prevents muscle break down, etc. better than anything currently out there. Heck Epi and SD do a good enough job at that I can't imagine anything doing it any better.

I will look into some mood enhancers though again I think the market is saturated with some good ones like ALCAR and rhodiola.
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Epi and SD are not non-hormonal which is what peopel seem to be asking for. unfortunately, those aren't listed in Vida.:afro:
 
sethroberts said:
Epi and SD are not non-hormonal which is what peopel seem to be asking for. unfortunately, those aren't listed in Vida.:afro:
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I understand that, my main point was the fact that it's improbable a compound like that will ever be found by a non-pharma company any time in the near future. I mean it is basically asking for a company to find a very potent SARM in a plant, whereas most of them are designed and synthetic.
 
LakeMountD said:
I understand that, my main point was the fact that it's improbable a compound like that will ever be found by a non-pharma company any time in the near future. I mean it is basically asking for a company to find a very potent SARM in a plant, whereas most of them are designed and synthetic.
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maybe/maybe not. The fact is, it won't be foud by people without the scientific background necessary to do so -- unlike PH's
 
sethroberts said:
maybe/maybe not. The fact is, it won't be foud by people without the scientific background necessary to do so -- unlike PH's
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Doesn't matter how smart you are or your education level, it comes down to $$$. Unfortunately most of us don't have the backing to use a computer from Los Alamos to do protein folding simulations and other tests to create our own super supplement.

I agree that most compounds found were based off of other people's research, however, what more do you expect from people who don't have the sort of money necessary to conduct their own research? Do you realize how expensive it is? Heck a gallon of acetonitrile is like $150, let alone the $100,000 LCMS! The fact that people used previous research to bring out PH's isn't really as bad as someone attempting to put their own molecule together and have it synthesized. Heck if I were looking at molecular structure and wanted to design a steroid I would use a structure similar to tren with a conjugated pi system , however, the repercussions of this could be horrible considering it could end up like a compound such as cheque drops, toxic in anything over higher mcg doses.

All I am saying is that it is hard to knock companies for doing these things. If we couldn't rely on other people's research then we would be relying on universities to bring out supplements.
 
LakeMountD said:
Doesn't matter how smart you are or your education level, it comes down to $$$. Unfortunately most of us don't have the backing to use a computer from Los Alamos to do protein folding simulations and other tests to create our own super supplement.

I agree that most compounds found were based off of other people's research, however, what more do you expect from people who don't have the sort of money necessary to conduct their own research? Do you realize how expensive it is? Heck a gallon of acetonitrile is like $150, let alone the $100,000 LCMS! The fact that people used previous research to bring out PH's isn't really as bad as someone attempting to put their own molecule together and have it synthesized. Heck if I were looking at molecular structure and wanted to design a steroid I would use a structure similar to tren with a conjugated pi system , however, the repercussions of this could be horrible considering it could end up like a compound such as cheque drops, toxic in anything over higher mcg doses.

All I am saying is that it is hard to knock companies for doing these things. If we couldn't rely on other people's research then we would be relying on universities to bring out supplements.
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You must not know me - i think I know how expensive it is :)
 
sethroberts said:
You must not know me - i think I know how expensive it is :)
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Yes, I recognize the name, but considering the openness of the forums I am sort of speaking out loud for others because a lot of people don't realize the expenses involved. As much as I love research, it baffles me how much it costs.
 
LakeMountD said:
Yes, I recognize the name, but considering the openness of the forums I am sort of speaking out loud for others because a lot of people don't realize the expenses involved. As much as I love research, it baffles me how much it costs.
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I have several potential sarms in my back pocket but companies seem more interested in repackaging the same old **** with ridiculous marketing.
 
sethroberts said:
I have several potential sarms in my back pocket but companies seem more interested in repackaging the same old **** with ridiculous marketing.
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Yeah although the plant derived SARM's I've seen just aren't potent enough or concentrated enough (which effects price) to be effective.
 
something that boosts T that also has a truly affective DHT blocker. All the good stuff makes you go bald if you're susceptible.
I mean, there has to be something out there on this entire planet that can do just that..!:aargh:
 
LakeMountD said:
I actually worked with a Nobel laureate and I am not going to lie it was constant jealousy ;).
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That's because working woth a Nobel Laureate does not make you one. I met Linus Pauling years ago and he was a nice old man but it really brought into perspective what a Nobel Laureate isn't.
 
sethroberts said:
That's because working woth a Nobel Laureate does not make you one. I met Linus Pauling years ago and he was a nice old man but it really brought into perspective what a Nobel Laureate isn't.
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Of course it doesn't, but you really do see how brilliant they can be. I worked with Dr. Kroto who discovered Buckminsterfullerene and just their insight and outlook on research is enough to learn from.
 
I don't disagree with anything being said here. It is very difficult for a non-pharma company to come out with something very innovative that hasen't been piggybacked without spending excess amounts of money.


The supplement industry is a very cut throat biz.
 
I want a pre-cardio drink. There are alot of pre-workout drinks but not any pre-cardio drinks....

Something that could be taken before fasted cardio would be awesome!

5gr Leucine
2.5gr Tyrosine
3gr ALCAR
1000mcg B-12
100mg Rasberry Ketones
50mg ALA
50mg CoQ10
200mch Selenium

This could be taken before evening cardio or before fasted cardio and people can easily add their own stim touch; yohimbe, caffeine, ehpedra, 1,3-dimethylamylamine, Sulbutiamine, or Coleus Forskohlii. Which are all VERY affordable at NP (hopefully soon I can add 7-keto/7-OH caps to that list :D )
 
i want a good recomp product that includes the following
Each Capsule
AA 250mgs
Forskolin 25mgs
Divanil 300mgs
TTA 200mgs
6-bromo 30mgs

so you would take 5 capsules per day for 8 weeks
i would EASILY pay 70dollars per month
also the synergy between these ingredients would be beyond phenomenol
maybe u could add 130mgs of icariin per capsule...
 
Something like this would be cool


Procaine for its inhibiting the MAO
PEA
Hydergine
Picamilon or somthing similar
 
something to reduce acetyl CoA carboxylase 2 enzyme so i can incorperate happy meals in my diet...happy meal meaning 2x quarter pounder w/cheese, supersize of couse!
 
LMD....I'll tell you what you should look into...

1) An Insulin mimicing supplement. Something like Anabolic Pump and/or P-slin, but way better. I tried a month of them and they were "ok". I then made my own stack through research, and it yield much better results and was way cheaper. I even couldnt taste sugar very much for a little bit after I took it. Wierd. This is something that would sell, and something that you could turn into something huge...something thats like oral insulin!

2) A preworkout supplement that contains no stims. Every preworkout thing has freakin caffeine in it, and i cant take caffeine. Kills my heartburn and i crash from it like hell. I can although, use chocomine, which is weird.

3) A multivitamin

4) Transdermals of sorts

5) Ill think of more. Check ur PM.
 
LakeMountD said:
I actually worked with a Nobel laureate and I am not going to lie it was constant jealousy ;).
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That reminds me of my molecular biology professor who told us stories about working with Nobel laureate Tom Czech (RNA Self-Splicing). Said the guy was an absolute genius, and always used himself as a super-low reference standard :lol:

I like your 2 suggestions natty. Everybody likes their carbs :) And I'm no big fan of caffeine. Ragnarok Caffeine-Free is the best thing I've got right now, but often I just mix my own Tyrosine+BA+Cit Mal+AEE etc. Tastes nasty but I know what's in it.
 
Distilled Water said:
I want a pre-cardio drink. There are alot of pre-workout drinks but not any pre-cardio drinks....

Something that could be taken before fasted cardio would be awesome!

5gr Leucine
2.5gr Tyrosine
3gr ALCAR
1000mcg B-12
100mg Rasberry Ketones
50mg ALA
50mg CoQ10
200mch Selenium

This could be taken before evening cardio or before fasted cardio and people can easily add their own stim touch; yohimbe, caffeine, ehpedra, 1,3-dimethylamylamine, Sulbutiamine, or Coleus Forskohlii. Which are all VERY affordable at NP (hopefully soon I can add 7-keto/7-OH caps to that list :D )
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Yeah I gotta agree here there isn't much in the market for this. I will look into some things.
 
LakeMountD said:
Yeah I gotta agree here there isn't much in the market for this. I will look into some things.
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Hot diggity dog :dance:

For flavouring measures....this morning I mixed most of the above mentions powders together with a little lemon juice and one cystal lite on the go packets and taste wasn't bad at all. Not far off from what regular cyrstal lite tastes....it wasn't as sweet.
 
Distilled Water said:
Hot diggity dog :dance:

For flavouring measures....this morning I mixed most of the above mentions powders together with a little lemon juice and one cystal lite on the go packets and taste wasn't bad at all. Not far off from what regular cyrstal lite tastes....it wasn't as sweet.
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There are quite a few ingedients that could be used -- would you be looking to increase endurance, increase output, decrease post aerobic fatigue -- let me guess, all of the above?

Unfortunately, I can see the future of what people will bring out: a shitload of caffeine, some silly carb source like waxy maize starch, and then a smattering of other crap at too low a dose to be meaningful.
 
JaredGalloway said:
i want a good recomp product that includes the following
Each Capsule
AA 250mgs
Forskolin 25mgs
Divanil 300mgs
TTA 200mgs
6-bromo 30mgs

so you would take 5 capsules per day for 8 weeks
i would EASILY pay 70dollars per month
also the synergy between these ingredients would be beyond phenomenol
maybe u could add 130mgs of icariin per capsule...
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I really really like this idea. Great for a natty product as well, test boosting, free up free test, and then AA. Nice!

I also like DW's idea for a precardio product.
 
Insulin Spiking Pre-Meal Custom Capsules from Custom Capsule:

(doses kept secret until i see results)
Gymnema Sylvestre (75% Gymnemic Acids)
Guggul ( 10% Guggulsterones)
Bitter Melon Ext. (10% Charantin)
Cinnamon Bark Extract
Banaba Leaf PE 1%
Na R-Alpha Lipoic Acid
chromium
vanadyl
Himematsutake
Wild Yam

PM me if u need any help with doses or locating supplies
 
are internasal delivery supplements legal? Id like to see a internasal spray for preworkout or during workout energy/rage boost. That would be nuts!
 
so about those trophins coming back...
I too like DW would like to see a pre cardio drink like that at a competitive price to buying bulk and mixing it myself. Obviously bulk would probably remain cheaper but something like MANs octane which is a good deal considering whats in it.
 
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