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ZamaMan tests Monsterdrol XT

ZamaMan said:
I only lost some strength on chest and squats. I believe all other excercises stayed at prs. I only lost what I lost due to cutting right after pct, you know how impossible it is to keep all gains comming off sd while dieting. It was a bad call.

Didn't know about our injury. Even still I don't think your gonna be able to eat like a machine forever without burn out. But who knows maybe you will prove me wrong in 10 years and still be going.

The guys who eat super clean often are thebest shapes true, but that's more because of there obsession and dedication not clean eating. No one looks up and researches the info I say, they just say NO your wrong which is the standard response for those that believe there is such a thing as clean foods.

Those of us who have broken the spell know that it's just some foods are calorie dense and some aren't. I never said twinkies are all you need. In fact I said spread your macros across the whole board. Than fill your extra calories with that you love to eat.

Hey don't take an ectos word for it. Research Martin berkham of lean gains. As I mentioned he has maintained 5.5%@195lb for years. No one else on any of these forums can say anything close to that. And guess what he is NO ecto or genetic elite. He was chubby than got real scrowny for modeling, than started to learn how to train and grow.

Oh and for the record he and many of his clients eat 2-3 meals a day and have been able to grow. So you don't need 6 meals. Your body takes alot longer to utilize all the aminos from a big meal. Much much longer than the 3 hours forum rumour.
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Ya eating 2 meals a day is how I packed on fat faster than I ever knew was possible because my metabolism slowed to a crawl

I have no doubt that clients are growing on 2-3 meals a day, but I honestly found growing to be the easier part about bodybuilding, I hit 245 back in 2007... . Getting big was easy. Getting big and lean is what's hard.

It's been 3 years of training and improving my diet to reach where I am now and those 3 of experience contradict what you say, for me anyway.

Maybe what you say applies to other people but if it doesn't apply to me then it isn't universal and you don't need to act like you "broke the spell" of what constitutes a good diet in the modern bodybuilding community... Those standards exist because they WORK.

Do you really think that eating the way I eat would hurt your gains? Or improve them slightly? I would love for you to answer that question.

chocolatemilk said:
Sugar makes me fat as f*** for some reason.
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Probably for the same scientific reasons that have created the standards for what constitutes a good bodybuilding diet.

it's not broscience and it's not a "spell" being cast by weightlifting magazines either. The standards exist because it's what works best for the most people. There will always be exceptions to the rule but those exceptions prove nothing.
 
:goodpost:

When I went from 240 to 180 in 6 months I did it entirely eating bagels, dorritos and chipotle burritos. No working out either. I don't think I'm going to write an article on my miracle diet:aargh:
 
I remember reading a study, the largest slowdown ever recorded in a medical test of metabolism was something like 20% and that was after months on starvation type diets.

I wouldn't expect any differance with your diet to mine in terms of my gains. I have bulked on weight gainers, and 4 burgers a day, and on less calorie dense foods. Either way I gained massive muscle increases, only thing I noticed was that the higher fat intake meant higher cals which made me pack on fat as quick as I would expect to now known how many cals my body needs.

I do t just draw of my own experiance as it is not very extensive, I draw from the greats in the industry. Also my bro has been dieting/recomping all year so i draw on his experiance as well.

Hey I know I'm going against the mold here and I'm fine with that. I don't care who agrees with me or not. CM IMO you got fat on lots of sugar cause sugary foods are ubber calorie dense and don't fill you for very long so no doubt your total calories went to high, not the sugars fault IMO.

Anyways let's get back to the log and drop the subject I guess. If you wanna learn more do your own research and come to your own conclusions since each side always has their viewed set in stone and argueing about it here only clutters my log.
 
ok I will stop debating diet... everyone is different anyway and it is all about finding what works for you. That said, the generally accepted diet exists because it works best for the most people.

on topic... Nice weightgain.... especially for only 1 meal for the day, try to eat more lmao... If you want this log to be a fair representation of this steroid's effectiveness, you need to give it a fair trial, one meal a day on a bulk is a failed day of bulking.

And definitely hydrate dude. On any kind of oral steroid, but especially on a cycle of methyls where you are trying to gain weight, drinking a lot of water is very important. Not to mention that it will help with headaches. 1 gallon of water is really the bare minimum, I would say aim for 1.5 at least.
 
nevermind being dehydrated on methylated steroids is harder on your kidneys...
 
Lol thanks I'll try to eat more. Haha just didn't have much food. Had to borrow some stuff from my bro for my one meal. Lol I usually always drink about a 1-1.5 gal of water a day, but I left my 1.5 liter bottle in my wifes car so that messed me up real bad. I didn't feel very dehrydrated today just not fill of water. I've killed about 8 pints so far. Will take down a few more before bed. It's gonna be a night to get up and piss.
 
ZamaMan said:
Lol FINE way to ruin tommorrows thunder!!!

I was 204 without having muh water today and only one meal due to no food being available.
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Haha I didn't think you would give in... That's f*cking awesome bro.

I defientely agree with Unreal though, start drinking lots of water and eat lots of food to give this steroid a fair trial of it's power.

So far this log is money :bling: keep at it man. Excited to see strength increases.
 
I'm actually definetly not going to all out bulk yet. I mean I can really throw on the weight I I go crazy eating. I'm still not 100% sold that there is a hormone in here and I want it to prove it to me. If I all out bulk y weight will fly through thr roof natty or not. This is a leaner bulk for me than normal, if this product is legit my weight will keep progressing up faster than I know it should. I also have to factor in slight muscle memory from my cut as well. Granted I was having to push HARD to start my gains going again so thr memory wasn't just bouncing back so if the weight keep climbing quickly to 210 than it will be obvious that this product is legit.
 
Thanks bro.
Wow I just got back inside from taking photos of the lunar eclipse. It's only about 10 minutes away from total eclipse. All I can say is I have never seen any thing like it. I'll post a pic for everyone tommorrow. It was great, I emptied out my bros truck bed, we laid tarps and a sleeping bag down and backed it in my drive way and watched the eclipse and took photos. It was a nice date with the wifey.
 
ZamaMan said:
I remember reading a study, the largest slowdown ever recorded in a medical test of metabolism was something like 20% and that was after months on starvation type diets.

I wouldn't expect any differance with your diet to mine in terms of my gains. I have bulked on weight gainers, and 4 burgers a day, and on less calorie dense foods. Either way I gained massive muscle increases, only thing I noticed was that the higher fat intake meant higher cals which made me pack on fat as quick as I would expect to now known how many cals my body needs.

I do t just draw of my own experiance as it is not very extensive, I draw from the greats in the industry. Also my bro has been dieting/recomping all year so i draw on his experiance as well.

Hey I know I'm going against the mold here and I'm fine with that. I don't care who agrees with me or not. CM IMO you got fat on lots of sugar cause sugary foods are ubber calorie dense and don't fill you for very long so no doubt your total calories went to high, not the sugars fault IMO.

Anyways let's get back to the log and drop the subject I guess. If you wanna learn more do your own research and come to your own conclusions since each side always has their viewed set in stone and argueing about it here only clutters my log.
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This Whole thread is giving me the urge to grab a dozen donuts for breakfast this morning..See if i can can get huge and ripped.:friday:
 
Cool Zama not too bad of an increase definitely want to see what it is in same type of clothing and with about the same amount of food as normal. However, if you are gaining without eating too much over maintenence then that seems like a positive. Still watching. Keep killing it.
 
ZamaMan said:
Legs... Pain.... Sucks
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listin bish

when u start pinning 2ml deca in ur left ass cheek and then 2 ml test in ur right quad AND THE NEXT DAY DO LEGS

then tell me about pain




just bustin ur chops chum


yuhhh its weird- my legs dont get sore when im ON- lik i was squatting 420 today

and i bet tomorrow- im not sore

i missed the eclipse was to cloudy here.....gay
 
Lol sounds painful. Alright Dont get your hopes up for tonights numbers.

Wt 200

squats 225x6,4; 220x5
seated leg curls 190x9; 195x7,5
leg press 310x12, 11. 4 second reps
seated leg curls 140x12; 145x9. 4 second reps


So I added 2 reps on squats, 10 lbs on leg curls, 20 on leg press,
though I had to grind the last squat rep harder than I had to last week so I only think it is a one rep increase. So I don't know, I feel te strength gains are normal gains for me since Im still working up to prs on squats and leg press, though I'm in new territory for leg curls and evey pulling motion for that matter (my body mechanics make me better at pulling excercises). I hav also been push really really hard each week in the gym and grinding out these increases. In the past when a hormone kicks in the increase come much easier. So I'm definetly feeling no effects yet.

Side are still almost non existant, just a funny head feeling like whren I take an EC stack. Urine is actually been pretty clear unlike when I took SD. So day 7 ends with a +1 lb which isn't looking too good based on how the logs were showing massive increases in weight in the first week. If at day 14 it's not clearly adding weight ill drop it as it either means I'm a non responder or there is nothing in here. If the logs showed gains taking 3 weeks I'd give it more time, but they show everyone exploding in a week or two with glycogen.
 
thanks buddy, I'm definetly trying to...

I'll prop start trying to add another meal in, prob breakfast which makes me feel sick ad I have no appetite in the morning.
 
ZamaMan said:
Lol sounds painful. Alright Dont get your hopes up for tonights numbers.

Wt 200

squats 225x6,4; 220x5
seated leg curls 190x9; 195x7,5
leg press 310x12, 11. 4 second reps
seated leg curls 140x12; 145x9. 4 second reps


So I added 2 reps on squats, 10 lbs on leg curls, 20 on leg press,
though I had to grind the last squat rep harder than I had to last week so I only think it is a one rep increase. So I don't know, I feel te strength gains are normal gains for me since Im still working up to prs on squats and leg press, though I'm in new territory for leg curls and evey pulling motion for that matter (my body mechanics make me better at pulling excercises). I hav also been push really really hard each week in the gym and grinding out these increases. In the past when a steroid kicks in the increase come much easier. So I'm definetly feeling no effects yet.

Side are still almost non existant, just a funny head feeling like whren I take an EC stack. Urine is actually been pretty clear unlike when I take SD, prob clearer than when I'm on epi even. So day 7 ends with a +1 lb which isn't looking too good based on how the logs were showing massive increases in weight in the first week. If at day 14 it's not clearly adding weight ill drop it as it either means I'm a non responder or there is nothing in here. If the logs showed gains taking 3 weeks I'd give it more time, but they show everyone exploding in a week or two with glycogen.

Oh also I never mentioned I'm on armidex one tab every 36 hours due to a little bump under the nip. I was on an ai before I started the mdxt for weeks so there isn't any decrease from it as it was keeping me a little drier than normal even before the mdxt. Gyno is almost gone though it's taking forever.
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Your results are similar to mine. I did not gain any significant weight on the first 2 weeks. I also started noticing the strength gains (20% avg) after week 3 kicked in. I've gained more weight on PCT using OSTA-SARMS than on the MDXT cycle.
 
mazeman said:
Your results are similar to mine. I did not gain any significant weight on the first 2 weeks. I also started noticing the strength gains (20% avg) after week 3 kicked in. I've gained more weight on PCT using OSTA-SARMS than on the MDXT cycle.
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Yea I remember maze. You were the one who upped the calories by 500 and lost weight on the cycle.

Nate takes care and got you a refund bro enjoy your OSTA :)
 
Yeah I've definetly not lost weight or fat... In fact I think over the last few weeks I've steadily been gaining slightly some fat. Not bad rate at all, my muscle have really filled out due to being back in a slight surplus and I feel as I was at the end of my last bulk, just a little leaner. I figure though even at maintenance calories this hormone should be adding glycogen weight quickly right? I just don't wanna go crazy on calories until I know there's a hormone in here, as natty I prefer the slower rate of fat gain.

Mdxt is still at 40mg ED.
 
That 200 weigh in was from this morning not tonight right? Or did you weigh in last night and were 200? Sorry I just thought you said yesterday you were going to weigh yourself tonight. I could have mis read something though...
 
ZamaMan said:
Real men don't fear tits!
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I fear tits if they are not on a chick...

Recovering from gyno and risking a steroid Zama :spank:

ZamaMan said:
Yeah I've definetly not lost weight or fat... In fact I think over the last few weeks I've steadily been gaining slightly some fat. Not bad rate at all, my muscle have really filled out due to being back in a slight surplus and I feel as I was at the end of my last cycle, just a little leaner. I figure though even at maintenance calories this steroid should be adding glycogen weight quickly right? I just don't wanna go crazy on calories until I know there's a steroid in here, as natty I prefer the slower rate of fat gain.

Mdxt is still at 40mg ED.
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You were 201.5 in the morning a couple days ago and lost 1.5 pounds. That doesn't sound like maintenance calories...

I think you are getting the maze effect lol. You two lose weight as you increase calories :surprised:
 
well of course you are not going to gain anyong great of any steroid if you do not feed it. However as anyone can see your seeing results (to bad you have to have such a cred diet though) you could really be taking advantage of this.. Non the less at least you know its working.
 
MrKleen73 said:
That 200 weigh in was from this morning not tonight right? Or did you weigh in last night and were 200? Sorry I just thought you said yesterday you were going to weigh yourself tonight. I could have mis read something though...
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200 lb was last night after my workout.

chocolatemilk said:
I fear tits if they are not on a chick...

Recovering from gyno and risking a steroid Zama :spank:



You were 201.5 in the morning a couple days ago and lost 1.5 pounds. That doesn't sound like maintenance calories...

I think you are getting the maze effect lol. You two lose weight as you increase calories :surprised:
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Lol you made me do it.... =P. I assure you I have lost zero fat and am not leaning. My abs are still as washed out as ever. When I cut moderately I eat less than this. I decieded to start eating breakfast which I hate but should add some decent calories that I can control easily.


Need2 I assure you my diet is fine as it has allowed me to grow 25lb of muscle or more in 2010. In dec of 2009 I was 166 now Im 34 lbs heavier without any real noticeable increase in bf%. Some weight may be glycogen as well. Also so far any of my gains have been only because of my grinding it put in the gym. I've been pushing extremely hard for you guys. My extra two reps on squats last night kinda strained my lower back cause k said I wasn't leaving without them and pushed harder than I should which made my form break down slightly. If there is a shormone it should show itself no later than week 2. I'm bumping the cals up slightly, but not gonna all out bulk on something that hasn't been proven. I'm not gonna get fat for you bro... Adding breakfast will already take me out of my 1lb a week zone I prefer as a natty.
 
Actually that's dropping 4 pounds, 2 days ago he was 204 "without having muh water today and only one meal due to no food being available."

And did you say that you're adding a breakfast, as if you haven't been eating in the morning...?

But also if you can attribute adding 10-20 pounds on your lifts in 1 week to natural progress... then there's no need for steroids, you can blow up naturally. And you can't say that the 10 pound and 20 pound increases were due to resuming your bulk because you just told me that you were able to maintain your strength in those lifts from your previous cycle.
 
Man this is really such a hard log to follow. I WANT this compound to work. I understand the philosophy of the Lean Gains approach and won't discount it as a valid dietary option. However at the same time losing weight while eating in a caloric surplus even if minor just doesn't make any sense even if you were running this diet naturally with no DS at all. Losing weight in a caloric surplus just doesn't make sense and especially with strength increases.

Zama, I am not coming at you in any way saying "Foul", however even you have to admit this is completely atypical physical response to your current diet even if you were not on a DS? You slightly increase your caloric intake and lose what sounds like muscle mass since no visible change in body fat level. It just doesn't compute. I am in now way accusing you of anything Bro, Just saying that even if a DS was not involved this outcome seems extremely wierd for someone who has slightly increased there calories.

So barring any DS involvement at all why would you be regressing right now if you are eating in a slight caloric surplus. Not accusing anything but wondering why you are having an opposite reaction to increased calories unless you have also increased your activity exponentially.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Man this is really such a hard log to follow. I WANT this compound to work. I understand the philosophy of the Lean Gains approach and won't discount it as a valid dietary option. However at the same time losing weight while eating in a caloric surplus even if minor just doesn't make any sense even if you were running this diet naturally with no DS at all. Losing weight in a caloric surplus just doesn't make sense and especially with strength increases.

Zama, I am not coming at you in any way saying "Foul", however even you have to admit this is completely atypical physical response to your current diet even if you were not on a DS? You slightly increase your caloric intake and lose what sounds like muscle mass since no visible change in body fat level. It just doesn't compute. I am in now way accusing you of anything Bro, Just saying that even if a DS was not involved this outcome seems extremely wierd for someone who has slightly increased there calories.

So barring any DS involvement at all why would you be regressing right now if you are eating in a slight caloric surplus. Not accusing anything but wondering why you are having an opposite reaction to increased calories unless you have also increased your activity exponentially.
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ZAMA

Eat 4 doughnuts for ur carbs at every meal
eat 2 double whoppers for your protein and fat


this should make u gain weight according to ur theory


sorry I had to say it


but in all seriousness when things arent working its time to change it up


im up 16 lbs and my bench has fone up about 55 lbs


two things are possible here

either

A.- MDXT is bunk and is indeed bull sh!t
or
B. Your diet/training regimen needs an overhaul


I have no idea which one it is, and im not attempting to be a **** brasif just throwing it out there, cmon....I dont think anyone on the board catches more flame than me....but I will continue to follow to see what happens
 
wait, does this mean schwell's been listening to us all along?

:lol:


UnrealMachine said:
But also if you can attribute adding 10-20 pounds on your lifts in 1 week to natural progress... then there's no need for steroids, you can blow up naturally. And you can't say that the 10 pound and 20 pound increases were due to resuming your bulk because you just told me that you were able to maintain your strength in those lifts from your previous cycle.
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:goodpost:

It really sounds like you had a crappy diet before and have a crappy diet now. I'm sure you'll find an article by Joe McMusclehead that says otherwise. Either way, attributing noob gains as proof that your diet is on point is a joke.
 
chocolatemilk said:
So if no fat was lost and you dropped 1.5 pounds ...did you lose 1.5 pounds of muscle?
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Weight fluctuates brotha. I'll be back at the gym on Friday, so I'll weigh in than, who knows maybe I'll weigh in tommorrow as well. You only lose muscle when you lose strength. I definetly look bulkier than I did three weeks ago, havnt noticed muscle increases within the week per say, but I wouldn't perceive slight changes anyways, that's what I rely on the scale for.

So far after lunch I had 190g protein down, and maybe 150 carbs, 30g fat.
 
ZamaMan said:
Weight fluctuates brotha. I'll be back at the gym on Friday, so I'll weigh in than, who knows maybe I'll weigh in tommorrow as well. You only lose muscle when you lose strength. I definetly look bulkier than I did three weeks ago, havnt noticed muscle increases within the week per say, but I wouldn't perceive slight changes anyways, that's what I rely on the scale for.


So far after lunch I had 190g protein down, and maybe 150 carbs, 30g fat.
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about the strength and loosing muscle- not true-at least in my experience


because you can gain strength and not gain muscle
 
Please don't tell me you ingested all of that in one sitting.
 
Breakfast is not the most important meal of the day. Your body is not catabolic after a night of food especialy since I pound down a meal just before bed every night. I prefer to get my cals from 11 on when I actually have an appetite.

I added breakfast now to get someextra cals in, nothing more. The weight drop is either a flucuation in weight which happens, as I have been eating way more cals than when I was dieting for fat loss when i was only dropping 2 lbs a week. So eating more and weight loss speeding up isn't physically possible. I did weigh in on a different scale however a few weeks back I checked both scales and me and my bro agreed that they were equal, originally one weight 3 lbs heavier but it appeared to be corrected about a month ago or so. Who knows maybe it's off again. I will try to check the scale I weighed heavier at again and see.

As far as the increase in strength I explained I should have only did 5 reps on my squats, the 6 rep required cheating so a one rep increase isn't anything to write home about. Machines are easy to progress weights on. I think the progress is also due to learning to push the metabolic sets harder and farther. I mean counting four full seconds per rep to 12 is very very very challeneging. So I figured I have been getting te hang of this new type of workout better.

Unreal I dropped weight on my pushing excercises, so squats, leg press, and bench. I kept prs on all pulling excercises as I am geared to pull which is why my back is my best body part. I personally think someone who is in a heavy blast phase can add 1-2 reps per workout.

If anyone has a problem with my log... Well you know where to go =]
 
schwellington said:
about the strength and loosing muscle- not true-at least in my experience


because you can gain strength and not gain muscle
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Not true. Muscle mass comes with strength gains. Now the ratio of mass you get with your strength greatly depends on genetics as some are more geared for mass others for strength and others in between.

If your gaining lots of strength and not noticing increases in muscle mass it's due to having too high of a body fat.

At for the record i've been eating about 4 meals a day. However only 2-3 of then have been solid food meals usually with two meals of shakes and bagles or a cup of ground oats and a banana. Sometimes I pound down a shake with my whole food instead of drinking water with it for the extra calories.
 
ZamaMan said:
Breakfast is not the most important meal of the day. Your body is not catabolic after a night of food especialy since I pound down a meal just before bed every night. I prefer to get my cals from 11 on when I actually have an appetite.

I added breakfast now to get someextra cals in, nothing more. The weight drop is either a flucuation in weight which happens, as I have been eating way more cals than when I was dieting for fat loss when i was only dropping 2 lbs a week. So eating more and weight loss speeding up isn't physically possible. I did weigh in on a different scale however a few weeks back I checked both scales and me and my bro agreed that they were equal, originally one weight 3 lbs heavier but it appeared to be corrected about a month ago or so. Who knows maybe it's off again. I will try to check the scale I weighed heavier at again and see.

As far as the increase in strength I explained I should have only did 5 reps on my squats, the 6 rep required cheating so a one rep increase isn't anything to write home about. Machines are easy to progress weights on. I think the progress is also due to learning to push the metabolic sets harder and farther. I mean counting four full seconds per rep to 12 is very very very challeneging. So I figured I have been getting te hang of this new type of workout better.

Unreal I dropped weight on my pushing excercises, so squats, leg press, and bench. I kept prs on all pulling excercises as I am geared to pull which is why my back is my best body part. I personally think someone who is in a heavy blast phase can add 1-2 reps per workout.

If anyone has a problem with my log... Well you know where to go =]
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dont have a problem with ur log....but the body IS catabolic while it sleeps- because it hasnt been fed in 6-8 hours etc...unless u use casein


i dont have a problem with ur log just trying to help you out
 
i retract my last statement regarding catabolism
 
schwellington said:
dont have a problem with ur log....but the body IS catabolic while it sleeps- because it hasnt been fed in 6-8 hours etc...unless u use casein


i dont have a problem with ur log just trying to help you out
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I hate to sound like a know it all.... But brush up on your science bro. Your body is not I repeat NOT catabolic due to not eating a meal for 10-12 hours. Even at 16 hours fasted there is no I reapate ZERO catabolism. Now someones annecdotal experiances may say otherwise but I believe in science not someones preferance.

Oh and mr Kleen I'm actually not using lean gains protocol. I was just skipping breakfast and makig my pwo meals as large as physically possible. Now I'm not even skipping breakfast so in no way does my diet reseamble lean gains style at the moment.
 
ZamaMan said:
I hate to sound like a know it all.... But brush up on your science bro. Your body is not I repeat NOT catabolic due to not eating a meal for 10-12 hours. Even at 16 hours fasted there is no I reapate ZERO catabolism. Now someones annecdotal experiances may say otherwise but I believe in science not someones preferance.

Oh and mr Kleen I'm actually not using lean gains protocol. I was just skipping breakfast and makig my pwo meals as large as physically possible. Now I'm not even skipping breakfast so in no way does my diet reseamble lean gains style at the moment.
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i retracted the statement its 20 hours before catabolism sets in


so how much weight gain have u actually put on?


because on a natural bulk i would shoot for 1-2lbs a week
 
schwellington said:
i retract my last statement regarding catabolism
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Ah you should have ninja edited lol. Than just ignore my comment.

Also just a point I would like to make is to keep in mind that just because your stomach may be done digesting a meal after a hand full of hours does not mean your body is done with the process. It often can take your body over 8 hours to finish using the amino acids from a meal. So when you wake up your body really hasn't spent an hour with AAs just some time without food in the gut nothing more.
 
schwellington said:
i retracted the statement its 20 hours before catabolism sets in


so how much weight gain have u actually put on?


because on a natural bulk i would shoot for 1-2lbs a week
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I'm not sure on increase as weight fluctuates. I was trying to eat at a pace of 1 lb a week which is what I wanted if PA is right anything more will just be alot of fat. Since everyone is jumping on my cryig like babies I added another meal of breakfast to help you buys out. If there isn't a steroid in here I guess I'll know in a week or 10 latest longer and will prob only have thrown on a hand full of lbs of fat unneccessarily. At the lowest readings I'm up a lb, which affording to logs I would expect eating enough to gain a lb in 7 days would be enough food to see glycogen increases. We will see tommorrow when i weigh in.
 
I said breakfast is ONE of the most important times to get food in. The other 2 would be pre and post workout.

And you better damn believe you'll be catabolic when you wake up after 8 hours of sleep. What you think you're still using that meal you ate before bed for fuel :rofl:

You need to wake up and at least have a protein shake and some quick carbs if anything.
 
ZamaMan said:
Oh and mr Kleen I'm actually not using lean gains protocol. I was just skipping breakfast and makig my pwo meals as large as physically possible. Now I'm not even skipping breakfast so in no way does my diet reseamble lean gains style at the moment.
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So you post a ton of stuff on lean gains, but then you modified it. so 0 bro-science backs your scientific diet up?

I'm not even going to claim the body goes catabolic over night, but why are you against eating breakfast again? There have been countless studies out that show that people who skip breakfast are fatter than those who eat it.

lift big, eat big = get big. So cliche right now.
 
2k1s said:
So you post a ton of stuff on lean gains, but then you modified it. so 0 bro-science backs your scientific diet up?

I'm not even going to claim the body goes catabolic over night, but why are you against eating breakfast again? There have been countless studies out that show that people who skip breakfast are fatter than those who eat it.

lift big, eat big = get big. So cliche right now.
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but true

**** im poundin 4k cals and im up 16lbs

and very little bf chjange
 
When I sleep, that is the longest I go without some kind of food or shake. Otherwise it's every 2-3 hours I'm eating.

Do you see bodybuilders skipping breakfast and only eating a few times a day? Didn't think so.
 
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