ZamaMan tests Monsterdrol XT
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MrKleen73
Legend
I hate to bring this up but there are hormonal changes at night that tell your body to A. slow down metabolism, and B. to create / use energy predominantly from fat. This is naturally programmed into us via a survival mechanism. It is an automatic protein sparing safety catch that is built into our system over millions of years of having a sleeping pattern that required a fasting period.
Not dogging him out, nor you. I think we all need to not get stuck on when he is eating his foods just how many calories he is getting in a day and if they are in a surplus, or not. If he is in a caloric surplus regardless of any other factor he SHOULD gain weight. Now with that being said and I am sure even Zama agrees with me there then this is a particularly interesting situation.
Not dogging him out, nor you. I think we all need to not get stuck on when he is eating his foods just how many calories he is getting in a day and if they are in a surplus, or not. If he is in a caloric surplus regardless of any other factor he SHOULD gain weight. Now with that being said and I am sure even Zama agrees with me there then this is a particularly interesting situation.
2k1s
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I do see body builders carrying around cans of tuna just in case they can't eat every 3 hours :afro:
ZamaMan
Banned
your on frigging test, deca and dbol!!! You you really expect me to pound down the calories it would take to gain 16 lbs in one month all because Need2 says there's a hormone when PAs testing says no?!!! Only an idiot would be willing to eat that amount based on a sales guys word! If you weren't on a ton of gear would you expect to gain 16 of muscle in a month???? No you would gain maybe 3 lbs of muscle and 13 lbs or fat and have to spend 3 months dieting.
Body building isn't a game to me... I'm in it to max my genetic potential and reach 210@7-8% bf asap. Hoping to be there in Less than 3 years. And I sure am not gonna get there by packing on 13 lbs of fat cause I HOPED there was a hormone in here!
What does that have to do with me??? Bodybuilders do almonds of stupid stuff. If Ronnie Coleman said dog food was anabolic and eats it should I start doing it too??? Most importantly pros have 3 times my lbm an have 4000-5000 maintenance calories!! So there often eating 6000+ calories to bulk! They can't afford to miss a meal and have to force feed themselves as often as they can. I don't have to eat that much so no indont need breakfast if I don't want to!!
The two most important meals are pre and post workout. Every other meal is just the same so eat when you Fing want to
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
If you don't want to pack on fat, then I suggest not stuffing in a large meal immediately before you go to sleep, then skipping breakfast because you aren't hungry (probably because you're still full from eating so late the previous night)
Legacyfighter
Active member
I hate to beat a dead horse, but Zama is right. Your body is no more catabolic when you wake up than it is throughout the rest of the day. After eating a meal, there are still amino acids floating around in your blood stream for around 24 hours. Also, ingesting carbohydrates first thing in the morning can lead to fat being stored, because insulin levels will raise while in the presence of cortisol. insulin + coritsol means stored fat.
So, If Zama does decide to eat breakfast then I would recommend eating some steak and eggs or something of the sort. That will give more amino acids, and give him more calories to bulk with, without causing excessive fat gain. Just my 2 cents.
BarbellBeast
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You've got to be kidding me. Meal 1(breakfast) you most definitely wanna consume carbs, especially if you're bulking!!
I eat carbs every meal besides right before bed.
And I still look at it as very catabolic waking up after 8 hours of not eating and then skipping a meal and waiting another how many hours before my first meal. Makes no sense. :sigh1:
ZamaMan
Banned
LOL i just picture Barbell and half the people in this log for that matter...with there hands over there ears yelling "LALALALALALALALA I cant hear you":aargh:
needtogetmuscle
Banned
I will put money that you hit 210lb even on the crap diet.. If I remember correctly your heading into week two here and that is the money week for most oral steroids. Its the week strength starts to climb quicker and by the end of that second week its always a nice jump in muscle mass... Before and after pics would be nice...
Have a great Holiday bro and enjoy it with friends and family..I will try and spend a little more time with my wife and 3 kids this year and my loved ones. Them little guys are everything to me.
This time of year I always take time to be thankful for what I got, the people in my life, friends, family, and all the good god has brought my way. I also try to find as many ways I can to put some good Karma out there in the world. Sponsor a few families and buy presents, toss a few extra cans in the food bins, Give the bell ringers a 20 instead of pocket change. I try to do it all year round but this time of year its always fresh in my mind..
OK I'll stop gaying up your thread bro lmao... Happy Holidays to your and yours my man and I hope you have a great year.
ZamaMan
Banned
Well I have been trying to post a back picture for a week or so. Got bored and finely got one or two decent ones. I had to bust out the pro camera in order to get a wide enough angle lol. As you can see I think my weak points are my shoulders and lats. I dont like huge lats but need to add some size.
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schwellington
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RickRock13
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I usually eat no fewer than 5, but usually 6-7 times a day. Two of those meals are mostly carbs upon waking (preworkout) and a Casein shake or cottage cheese before bed. If I miss meals, I find its a lot harder to get my cals in for the day by increasing the volume of food I eat per meal. Its much easier AND effective to eat smaller quantities more frequently IMHO.
BarbellBeast
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LMAO
You eat how you wanna eat zama.
I'm just saying I think you will get better progress if you balance out your diet better. Try to eat every 2-3 hours, eat as soon as you get up - eggs & oatmeal or slam a milk/whey/oatmeal shake if you don't have an appetite for whole foods.
Instead of eating a massive meal before bed, just eat some cottage cheese and PB - I like mixing 1 scoop choc whey, 1-2 tbsp natty pb and 1 cup cottage cheese for my last meal before bed.
RickRock13
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ZamaMan
Banned
That sounds pretty good. I Might have to try that. Though I need to go buy thr peanut butter. Oh and I don't buy that natty crap. Taste bad... I buy the skips kind and enjoy every gran of trans fat baby! Lol
I might start bringing back my big weight gainer shake soon, will prob wait till next week though if I'm more sure. It's an epic shake that I love to drink
1.5-2 cups milk Fat free
.5 cup chocolate milk
2 scoops cassin
2 tbs non natty pb
1 cup oat meal
1 tbs olive oil
mmm so food and was like 1000-1300 cals depending on how I made it. I drank those alot on my last bulk, usually one a day which meant I would only eat a couple other meals after. My bro feels I made the best progress on that bulk too actually. When I feel the time is right I'll start adding cals to the shakes I'm already having.
I might start bringing back my big weight gainer shake soon, will prob wait till next week though if I'm more sure. It's an epic shake that I love to drink
1.5-2 cups milk Fat free
.5 cup chocolate milk
2 scoops cassin
2 tbs non natty pb
1 cup oat meal
1 tbs olive oil
mmm so food and was like 1000-1300 cals depending on how I made it. I drank those alot on my last bulk, usually one a day which meant I would only eat a couple other meals after. My bro feels I made the best progress on that bulk too actually. When I feel the time is right I'll start adding cals to the shakes I'm already having.
UnrealMachine
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zama it is obvious from this comment and many others that you like to brag about how far removed your diet is from the accepted norm because you like to get a rouse from the readers. and you really think what you're doing is so successful for you.
FWIW, I got to 210 lbs, 250 bench & 225*10 squat when I was 16 from eating 3 regular meals a day, that was only a couple months after I had learned about protein shakes and what an actual routine looked like.
That situation, much like your own, proves nothing. The first gains you get are almost free.
but getting to 210 and 7%, your goal stats, is something I know something about, and in order for my physique to evolve from where it was then, to where it is now, required that my diet also evolve with me. This took years of tweaking and learning. It takes a long time to find out what works best for you.
If you want to get there without a diet that is both very clean and consistent, you'd better have much better genetics than me. Or use more steroids than me I suppose.
And you cannot truly believe that what you do is what works absolutely best for you, because the little things you brag about, like eating based on emotional whims, taste, and with every type of inconsistency, do not enter into the equation of any serious diet... they simply sacrifice efficiency for convenience
schwellington
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ZamaMan
Banned
Schwell you are a saint I have no clue how you continue your log with everyone and there mom telling you your wrong lol.
I'm not sure what diet idea was immature... But thanks for our opinon.
Unreal I'm not sure what is so crazy about that qoute. A couple tables spoons of fat from the good tasting kind of peanut butter is fine. I cut fat out of milk and various other sources so I can have them in certain other sources.
Either way this log has proven to be a headache and just arguement after arguement. Everyone is in a big rush to tell me how much better their diet is than mine. Mine is actually pretty moderate in every way I feel. I was eating 4 meals a day now j added another one for you guys and I don't know what else to say.
I'm sick of this log and wasting time on it... I shouldnt be wasting my time testing this out for you guys. I have been giving you my honest unbaised thoughts on things but it doesn't really matter does it?
Well I have more important things to focus on like sales for my family business, spending time with the wife who is off shool for a couple weeks. So I'm pretty much done with this log. Sorry to disappoint you guys, especially CM since your one my favorite guys on this board. I will give you guys an update sometime next week and it will be detailed I promise.
Later good and fine gents.
I'm not sure what diet idea was immature... But thanks for our opinon.
Unreal I'm not sure what is so crazy about that qoute. A couple tables spoons of fat from the good tasting kind of peanut butter is fine. I cut fat out of milk and various other sources so I can have them in certain other sources.
Either way this log has proven to be a headache and just arguement after arguement. Everyone is in a big rush to tell me how much better their diet is than mine. Mine is actually pretty moderate in every way I feel. I was eating 4 meals a day now j added another one for you guys and I don't know what else to say.
I'm sick of this log and wasting time on it... I shouldnt be wasting my time testing this out for you guys. I have been giving you my honest unbaised thoughts on things but it doesn't really matter does it?
Well I have more important things to focus on like sales for my family business, spending time with the wife who is off shool for a couple weeks. So I'm pretty much done with this log. Sorry to disappoint you guys, especially CM since your one my favorite guys on this board. I will give you guys an update sometime next week and it will be detailed I promise.
Later good and fine gents.
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
Schwell's log is similar in that it is crammed full of people critiquing him, the difference is that he is willing to accept criticism and listen to advice offered
I'll offer up my personal apologies because it was not my intentions nor anyone else's to make you stop the log. But if you are going to test a product, everyone expects a certain level of seriousness and consistency...
When you talk about drinking on cycle like its fine, and only eating 1 meal all day long, eating a large meal immediately before bedtime and then skipping breakfast on a regular basis, and calling out clean bodybuilding diets saying they're some kind of gimmick pulled off by BBing magazines... I don't think anyone reading can believe that you are taking this seriously.
Sorry but that's how I see it.
I still wish you good luck in your training, and Happy Holidays, lol :friday:
I'll offer up my personal apologies because it was not my intentions nor anyone else's to make you stop the log. But if you are going to test a product, everyone expects a certain level of seriousness and consistency...
When you talk about drinking on cycle like its fine, and only eating 1 meal all day long, eating a large meal immediately before bedtime and then skipping breakfast on a regular basis, and calling out clean bodybuilding diets saying they're some kind of gimmick pulled off by BBing magazines... I don't think anyone reading can believe that you are taking this seriously.
Sorry but that's how I see it.
I still wish you good luck in your training, and Happy Holidays, lol :friday:
schwellington
Well-known member
Zama- either way get bloods done dude- if there is a steroid you will be suppressed
and i get tired of people tellign me to do this and that- there are SOME i listen to^^^^Unreal being one (most of the time not all the time do i listen to him because Im hard headed) but i do listen to some folk....perhaps ur ways are just unconventional i do not know- ive only been training 2 years but look- keep us posted either way bro and have a safe Christmas
and i get tired of people tellign me to do this and that- there are SOME i listen to^^^^Unreal being one (most of the time not all the time do i listen to him because Im hard headed) but i do listen to some folk....perhaps ur ways are just unconventional i do not know- ive only been training 2 years but look- keep us posted either way bro and have a safe Christmas
Legacyfighter
Active member
Unreal: Sometimes convenience is more important than efficiency. How many people have you seen stick to a super super strict diet for long periods of time? I can guarantee even you don't do this, no one does. So why not chose a moderate diet that you works well for you, that allows you to make good progress for years, as opposed to working great for only a few weeks? I'm not trying to call you out, and I'm not riding Zama's *ick either, he and I have argued on training and diet before... but not everyone can eat chicken and rice all day everyday.
There is evidence to show that intermittent fasting increases growth hormone production, which in turn increases fat lipolysis and muscle sparing. Eating processed peanut butter may be worse than natural from a long term health aspect, but its pretty much identical from a bodybuilding aspect. You can make a health argument, but pumping multiple orals into your system isn't exactly healthy either.
All I'm trying to say is that what works best for you, may not work the best for everyone. If long term progress is greater than the sum of multiple sessions of short term progress, then it is more efficient. Many people think my diet and training is ridiculous, but it gives me better results than anything else I've tried so far. So i'll be sticking to it. If Zama's diet and workout are effective and easy for him to follow, then he should continue them.
There is evidence to show that intermittent fasting increases growth hormone production, which in turn increases fat lipolysis and muscle sparing. Eating processed peanut butter may be worse than natural from a long term health aspect, but its pretty much identical from a bodybuilding aspect. You can make a health argument, but pumping multiple orals into your system isn't exactly healthy either.
All I'm trying to say is that what works best for you, may not work the best for everyone. If long term progress is greater than the sum of multiple sessions of short term progress, then it is more efficient. Many people think my diet and training is ridiculous, but it gives me better results than anything else I've tried so far. So i'll be sticking to it. If Zama's diet and workout are effective and easy for him to follow, then he should continue them.
jaydollars
Well-known member
Zama, finish the cycle bro, I have followed some of the flak about the MDXT so I wanna see your results, you don't have to reply to everyone's posts good or bad
The pot has really been stirred about MDXT, shows us its legit or not, dont quit
SolidusSnake
Member
My lifting partner eats the same exact foods, at the same exact time.. Everyday.. Everyday.. I have to force him to have 1 cheat meal..
ZamaMan
Banned
Comment:
you\'re revelling in your ingestion of trans fat and dismissing natty PB, something 1/2 the people on the forums eat. I really think you have been flaunting your poor diet in an attempt to instigate a situation that would allow you to end the log
Regards,
UnrealMachine
thanks for the accusations. It's nice when someone tells you who you feel or that you have secret motives. It always makes me feel good! And all I have said mainly is everything in moderation and balance, and eat when you prefer it... No clue why you all have suh a problem with that.
Who ever said I'd stop the cycle? I plan on continueing, I'm sure I will be able to say confidently by week 3. I will still give this log periodic updates till than. Prob once a week. Everyone just hold tight till I feel I have something important to update.
Ps thanks for te support of my log this far.
you\'re revelling in your ingestion of trans fat and dismissing natty PB, something 1/2 the people on the forums eat. I really think you have been flaunting your poor diet in an attempt to instigate a situation that would allow you to end the log
Regards,
UnrealMachine
thanks for the accusations. It's nice when someone tells you who you feel or that you have secret motives. It always makes me feel good! And all I have said mainly is everything in moderation and balance, and eat when you prefer it... No clue why you all have suh a problem with that.
Who ever said I'd stop the cycle? I plan on continueing, I'm sure I will be able to say confidently by week 3. I will still give this log periodic updates till than. Prob once a week. Everyone just hold tight till I feel I have something important to update.
Ps thanks for te support of my log this far.
biggfly
Member
I feel that if Zama dieted and ate the way he described BEFORE the MDXT, then he should be consistent and do the same while he is ON MDXT, that way it seems we can really attribute any gains to the actual product, and not a fluctuation in his regime that may have "shocked" his system and caused gains or losses. It seems, to me anyway, that if he has remained consistent from BEFORE cycle, to ON cycle, we will be able to see something from the steroid(or lack of if case be) and not the diet and food itself. Maybe I am being simplistic and elementary in my thinking, but thats the way I see it. You guys that press him to modify from his norm really want the results to be favorable, I get that. But in all fairness to Zama, he should do his norm if he feels it works for HIM, and if there is a steroid in there, it will rear its head regardless, somewhere, somehow, and we can make a definitive conclusion if gains were made it was due to the substance, and not his body reacting to a change in caloric intake, or flux in macros, etc. It will simply eliminate one of the possibilities and perhaps arguments of what caused the gains, or lack thereof, if case be. Take away as many variables as we can, to narrow down the attributable results. MY opinion, not worth more or less than anyone else's in this thread. WHich mind us, is a FAVOR by Zama, lets not lose sight of that. Not an obligation of his.
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
Zama there are a million points where you could have stopped to debate with me or the half-dozen others echoing the same sentiments. But you allowed it to get to a point where you could not ignore it any further and now you want to stop running your log. It looks to me like you weren't serious about this in the first place and now you just want out. Maybe I'm wrong, but dude if you are dropping 4 pounds (from an empty/dehydrated state too) and not eating all day "due to no food being available," I don't see how you will be a good judge of how well anything is working.
I am glad you posted that because i think you gave me a lot of perspective and I can agree with that.
My argument is not that Zama change his diet and emulate what I am doing (although I still think it would only help his gains), my argument is FIRSTLY against several of the points on diet he maintains, including most egregiously the claim that clean diets are a lie put forth by bodybuilding magazines, and SECONDLY that he hydrate and eat food consistently enough for the log to be fair.
Not eating all day when trying to bulk doesn't fly...
I do realize that he is not obligated to follow our orders and I respect that. Perhaps I have been to vehement with my views and outstepped my bounds.
Zamaman i am sorry if all my posts have offended but I am not a bad guy... I would like to talk further with you about diet in PM so we can work out our differences and hopefully each learn something from each other.
And if you want, I will never post in your log again, and you can continue logging
Tell me what ya think
Edit: and oh yeah whether i've caused this log to end or derail or exile myself from it, i apologize to the readers for my role in it... and if you disagree with me on diet please PM me and we can discuss it, i am always trying to learn.
I am glad you posted that because i think you gave me a lot of perspective and I can agree with that.
My argument is not that Zama change his diet and emulate what I am doing (although I still think it would only help his gains), my argument is FIRSTLY against several of the points on diet he maintains, including most egregiously the claim that clean diets are a lie put forth by bodybuilding magazines, and SECONDLY that he hydrate and eat food consistently enough for the log to be fair.
Not eating all day when trying to bulk doesn't fly...
I do realize that he is not obligated to follow our orders and I respect that. Perhaps I have been to vehement with my views and outstepped my bounds.
Zamaman i am sorry if all my posts have offended but I am not a bad guy... I would like to talk further with you about diet in PM so we can work out our differences and hopefully each learn something from each other.
And if you want, I will never post in your log again, and you can continue logging
Tell me what ya think
Edit: and oh yeah whether i've caused this log to end or derail or exile myself from it, i apologize to the readers for my role in it... and if you disagree with me on diet please PM me and we can discuss it, i am always trying to learn.
chocolatemilk
Well-known member
Don't be too disheartened at people not accepting your dieting style... it's pretty out there compared to the norm. Everyone is going to swing out their e-penis if they find out you only had 2 meals a day on a bulking diet lol.
It's your log bro run it however you see fit...
I'm still looking forward to updates.
It's your log bro run it however you see fit...
I'm still looking forward to updates.
schwellington
Well-known member
Unreal- ur to well spoken to be a body builder------
xFRACTION
Active member
you on the other hand..... :nana:
Anyhow, Zama keep us updated. I personally have a stake in this since im supposed to be adding MDXT in 3 weeks to my cycle.
biggfly
Member
While some wont agree w Zamas diet plan, to add to CM's response about e-penis and being critics on here, that alot of people can put on paper they eat this that or the other, that their diet in on point, that they are super disciplined, but I think at the end of the day, not many are truly as hardcore or disciplined as say an UNreal or Choc Milk. This can easily be visible through their avi's, as proof is in the pics. Unless we all had true avi's up, we will never know who are the contenders and who are the pretenders. I can type all day about how amazing my regime is, but in truth, I falter, cheat and stumble along the way. If one really wants to improve and maximize their potential they first must be real in their accountability of their regime. When you read someone on here saying they eat 6 meals a day, their macros are perfectly ratio'd, their protein always equals EXACTLY 1.5 or 2 g/lb bw, etc etc, then they say they are not getting results, I immediately grow suspect. I start thinking its all "e-show" to lead people to believe they are spot on because we all want to seem like we are so dialed in and disciplined. Truth be told, not many people have the time to dedicate themselves to the level it takes to be Unreal status. It is more like a job for that level, not just an afterwork or afterschool activity to just be fit and healthy, as most of us really fall into that category. "Getting fit and being healthy" is a whole different world than "I want to be 220, 6%", we all want to be fit and healthy, but 220 6% is an entire other level of work and discipline....Just my opinion.
vidapreta
Well-known member
Yes but there's also no need to pretend that a SHI tty diet is scientifically proven to be just as good as a clean diet.. Because that is just BS.
biggfly
Member
Yes, I agree with that. As I do not believe, for myself and my own physiological makeup, that a "dirty" diet will produce the same results as a clean one for me. I was just making a generalized statement of perspective, not specific to anyone in particular. As well all know, there are truths and myths to this lifestyle, the key is unlocking the puzzle that fits YOU, because it truly is not universal across the board. A guy I played college ball with and train with is peeled, around 218 and 7-8%, and he is a carb monster. If i ate the carbs he did, I would be a fat turd. We differ in diets, train the same, but I can smoke him in strength, yet I would feel hesitant to go to the beach with the guy, for feeling shamed
MrKleen73
Legend
Zama,
I hope you kill it regardless, now remeber one thing adding in the extra meal for breakfast like you have is going to break the Fasting 16h / 8h Refeed protocal that causes the Leptin response of the Lean Gains diet which is what allows you to eat more loosely like you do. If not taking advantage of that aspect you may have to clean up the diet to not gain much fat.
I think your one bad day of eating spurred a lot of concern as to you getting in enough calories to grow. However I am pretty sure you got in adequate cals most other days. I also think it is safe to say at this moment you are working towards a recomp since you have not went to a bulking level of cals so instead of bang on your about bulking lets call it a recomp unless you change your intake. No big deal. A good recomp diet should still land you 6-10 lbs of muscle with a functional steroid in the MDXT so lets just call it a recomp for now so everyone can chill. This thing will either kick in hard soon or it wont and as long as you are eating you are going to grow when it does...
I also think part of the problem here is not so much that everyone is sure your diet will fail, but that you blasted their way of dieting. The common body builder diet 5-6 meals a day yada, yada, yada works like a charm. It is pretty much a guaranteed approach. It is also very tedious and time consuming. So you disheartened a lot of people implying that this diet is superior to the typical body builder diet.
I honestly think you can get just as good of results on the Lean Gains approach as long as you are consistently following it and getting in your calories once you fine tune it to your specific body / hormonal type IE Insulin Sensitivity levels. Eating 3 meals is much easier than 5-6 in most cases but I found cramming so much into my first meal almost impossible to do. I am sure I needed more nutrient dense food so it wouldn't have been so bad.
I can't wait to see your next update. Hope you feel a great kick in. Maybe you can wake up for Christmas with an extra few LBs. Have a Merry Christmas Zama and everyone else reading this thread.
I hope you kill it regardless, now remeber one thing adding in the extra meal for breakfast like you have is going to break the Fasting 16h / 8h Refeed protocal that causes the Leptin response of the Lean Gains diet which is what allows you to eat more loosely like you do. If not taking advantage of that aspect you may have to clean up the diet to not gain much fat.
I think your one bad day of eating spurred a lot of concern as to you getting in enough calories to grow. However I am pretty sure you got in adequate cals most other days. I also think it is safe to say at this moment you are working towards a recomp since you have not went to a bulking level of cals so instead of bang on your about bulking lets call it a recomp unless you change your intake. No big deal. A good recomp diet should still land you 6-10 lbs of muscle with a functional steroid in the MDXT so lets just call it a recomp for now so everyone can chill. This thing will either kick in hard soon or it wont and as long as you are eating you are going to grow when it does...
I also think part of the problem here is not so much that everyone is sure your diet will fail, but that you blasted their way of dieting. The common body builder diet 5-6 meals a day yada, yada, yada works like a charm. It is pretty much a guaranteed approach. It is also very tedious and time consuming. So you disheartened a lot of people implying that this diet is superior to the typical body builder diet.
I honestly think you can get just as good of results on the Lean Gains approach as long as you are consistently following it and getting in your calories once you fine tune it to your specific body / hormonal type IE Insulin Sensitivity levels. Eating 3 meals is much easier than 5-6 in most cases but I found cramming so much into my first meal almost impossible to do. I am sure I needed more nutrient dense food so it wouldn't have been so bad.
I can't wait to see your next update. Hope you feel a great kick in. Maybe you can wake up for Christmas with an extra few LBs. Have a Merry Christmas Zama and everyone else reading this thread.
2k1s
Well-known member
It isn't even working for him. He says he is fatter and hasn't gained muscle.
SolidusSnake
Member
I cheat.. Eat loads of carbs.. But gain little to no fat..
MrKleen73
Legend
I hate you! :aargh: :aargh:
Sorry I just took a sip of Hateraid and my envy got the best of me...
I have been fighting off fat since I was born. I am so carb sensitive that once I walked by a candy store and had to loosen my belt by one hole. Don't even get me into how much weight I can gain just walking past a bakery... :sigh1:
vidapreta
Well-known member
And my Mom smokes and she dosen't have lung cancer.. Good Point.
SolidusSnake
Member
I hate you! :aargh: :aargh:
Sorry I just took a sip of Hateraid and my envy got the best of me...
I have been fighting off fat since I was born. I am so carb sensitive that once I walked by a candy store and had to loosen my belt by one hole. Don't even get me into how much weight I can gain just walking past a bakery... :sigh1:
body produces too much T3..
So I have to keep my self anabolic somewhat at all times cause muscle can fall off me just as easy as fat.. It is no fun..
SolidusSnake
Member
I hope my metabolism does slow down.. make my diet cheaper lmao..
SolidusSnake
Member
what logic? I get bloods done..
vidapreta
Well-known member
That's when the real bulking begins!! Lol
MrKleen73
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I guess I can live with that but at 5'8 and 205 you are doing a damn good job man! I am in the other boat. Muscle sticks around no big deal. I eat anything over 2500 calories daily and I will start to gain weight. I gain muscle easily and fat pretty quickly but I can lose fat pretty quickly as well without too much muscle loss. I just have to pay very close attention to diet. In that area, I am a lot like Unreal. He and I have similar type of body fat storage, both of us are pretty carb sensitive, and we require a good bit of strictness in our diets. Even if we did the Lean Gains we would have to do the lower carb set up he has for the carb sensitive.
Also for everyone that has not read up on the Lean Gains don't dismiss this way of eating until you have read the entire science behind it. We have to remember that diet is like training, there is no 1 way to do it correctly there are several, and they are all very personal. To just here it exlained doesn't make any sense you really need to read up on it. From their make a decision that is educated on both types of diet and not just what you know about how you already eat and what you have already been taught. If nothing else you can learn a ton about the hormonal reaction to food and the digestion process.