Your fav. Fat Burner

rob112 said:
I wonder if it's a pseudoephedrine that are bought at drug stores...
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Norephedrine is different than ephedrine/pseudo. The only difference between ephedrine/pseudo is the chirality of the hydroxyl group on the first carbon off the phenyl ring, basically like right and left handed molecules. Take this hydroxyl group off of either one and you have methamphetamine.

Norephedrine is different from both in that it has no methyl group attached to the nitrogen, or "amine" part of the molecule. Take the hydroxyl group off of norephedrine and you would have amphetamine.
 
Kinggrommet said:
Norephedrine is different than ephedrine/pseudo. The only difference between ephedrine/pseudo is the chirality of the hydroxyl group on the first carbon off the phenyl ring, basically like right and left handed molecules. Take this hydroxyl group off of either one and you have methamphetamine.

Norephedrine is different from both in that it has no methyl group attached to the nitrogen, or "amine" part of the molecule. Take the hydroxyl group off of norephedrine and you would have amphetamine.
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Would it be fair to say that norephedrine has an adderal type of effect?

Thank you for the knowledgeable post. I have have never heard of norephedrine before.
 
rob112 said:
Would it be fair to say that norephedrine has an adderal type of effect?

Thank you for the knowledgeable post. I have have never heard of norephedrine before.
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About as similar an affect as ephedrine and methamphetamine. So, no, not really. Even though the differences chemically are small, their effects physiologically are very different.
 
Kinggrommet said:
About as similar an affect as ephedrine and methamphetamine. So, no, not really. Even though the differences chemically are small, their effects physiologically are very different.
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Thanks for the info
 
i too am trying to cut up, however, my stomach goes haywire when i take Dmaa (or any type of geranium); any suggestions for a quality fat burner without 1,3,dmaa? heard good things on roxylean or super hd by cellucor

Thanks
 
kgelo said:
i too am trying to cut up, however, my stomach goes haywire when i take Dmaa (or any type of geranium); any suggestions for a quality fat burner without 1,3,dmaa? heard good things on roxylean or super hd by cellucor

Thanks
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I believe that the new dex is 1,3 free.
 
Dexaprine, CLA and PhD Diet Whey (which I guess isn't technically a fat burner) are the best combo of supplements I've ever tried. Mixing the dexaprine with a pre-workout with 1-3 dymeth or geranium or whatever later in the day gave me awful headaches tho :( so I guess its either the dexaprine or the pre workout!
 
dexaprine looks good, its an option... I've heard good things on roxylean. also i hear anything with the thyroid regulator diidotyrosine or whatever is a good choice? idk though, thats why i need the advice lol, fat burners are not my forte.
 
I don't really rate the effectiveness of thyroid regulators to be honest... not the over the counter ones anyway. The good thing about dex is that it lasts the whole day, it'll take you a while to desensitize to it and it is relatively cheap to run because you only really need one tablet a day. I tried hydroxycut ignition stix at one point too and they worked for me. Another thing to consider is a cortisol suppressant like suppress-c by CEL or lean extreme, they help you keep some muscle that would otherwise waste and can help you shed a bit of fat too. In all fairness tho, no fat burner is going to do anything at all unless you have your diet and routine sorted; all they do is add to the effectiveness of fat loss, not precipitate it.
 
what do you guys think about these, real or fake? all but one say "aerial parts" which mean leaves and stem, one product uses "whole plant"

http ://americasnutrition. com/hydroxy-stac-ephedra

http ://americasnutrition. com/ripped-mahung

http: //americasnutrition .com/metabo-ma-hung

http: //ephedraoutlet.com/product/6-Ephedra-Ma-Huang-25mg/15-Nutrition-HQ-Tri-Matrix-by-TS-Pharma-Tri-Stack-Ephedra-Diet-Pills-Stack-Supplements .html
 
rob112 said:
Thanks for the info
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Here is a little more info- these are the structures of multiple adernergic ligands- Kinggrommet is correct- a little change in structure makes a huge difference when it comes to adernergic pharmacology and potential benefits in terms of fat loss, psychotropic effects, etc:
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My stack (3 per day)

EC
Alpha T2
DCP

Keeping at 10% bf is a snap with this stack. No willpower required. I can get to 8% with a bit of effort but it wrecks my libido, so I'll just cruise at 10%

Look forward to trying the new dexaprine someday.
 
For effects like appetite suppression, energy, mood: SAN Tight Xtreme Reloaded

For real composition change: SAN Blaze Xtreme (TTA, 7-keto, forskolin, tyramine, etc)

For non-stim: SAN T2 Xtreme for diiodos, Genomyx AlphaBurn, SNS TTA, and bulk ForsLean. I don't necessarily take all of these at once lol
 
i tried posting websites in my last post, idk if it posted or not, but while looking at the ingredients of an "ephedra" supplement, what should it say to indicate it is real ma huang and not fake/un-potent ephedra?
 
kgelo said:
i tried posting websites in my last post, idk if it posted or not, but while looking at the ingredients of an "ephedra" supplement, what should it say to indicate it is real ma huang and not fake/un-potent ephedra?
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Your post count isn't high enough but chances are they aren't legit.
 
most of the ingredients say things such as "ma huang: standardized to x% ephedra alkaloids, x mg of ephedrine. (stem/whole plant/aerial parts)"

examples are: [h=1]Tri Matrix by TSPharma - Tri-Stack Ephedra Diet Pills - Stack Supplements[/h]
[h=1]Metabo Ma Huang Ephedrine[/h]
[h=1]Ripped Ma Huang Ephedra - Ripped Ma Huang Ephedra Diet Pills[/h]
Zenalean stack by Accelerated Sport Neutraceuticals
 
rms80 said:
Here is a little more info- these are the structures of multiple adernergic ligands- Kinggrommet is correct- a little change in structure makes a huge difference when it comes to adernergic pharmacology and potential benefits in terms of fat loss, psychotropic effects, etc:
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Nice link.

To a guy with some basic college chem they all look so similar, yet from what I read about them they are so different. Good stuff
 
Currently on EC and am having great results.

Have also tried AlphaT2 (thumbsup), DCP (thumbsup), and am currently logging Alphaburn + Reduce XT. Have a bottle of V2 Dexaprine just dying for attention but I'm not touching that puppy until I stop the EC (August).
 
DJBeanPole said:
Currently on EC and am having great results.

Have also tried AlphaT2 (thumbsup), DCP (thumbsup), and am currently logging Alphaburn + Reduce XT. Have a bottle of V2 Dexaprine just dying for attention but I'm not touching that puppy until I stop the EC (August).
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All good products. Smart man
 
Years of ECA and natural clones, they dont do much but give you the jitters and lose muscle.
For me, at the minute, its TT-33. Like PES shift but with extra 3,5 and its £14
 
Hey A.M! I just started IF this week and want to experiment by adding fat burners. Cant find the post now, but I read somewhere on here that someone had great results with Erase Pro + Shift, Dexaprine... I'd prefer something non-stim. I'm a noob so any suggestions would be very helpful and much appreciated! Thanks!
 
TT-33 - its cheap and like Shift but with added 3,5 :)
 
gokix811 said:
What do you mean by "added 3,5"?
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The ingrediants... If you look at PES Shift, you'll see it contains just 3,3 Dii (because pes thought 3,5 caused thyroid shutdown) but TT-33 contains both. As 3,5 has a really decent fat burning effect, imho its superior. The shutdown Pes feared, was actually incorrect as people have run 3,5 for years and had tests to show zero shutdown. You'd need huge doses of 3,5 to get anywhere near an issue it just isnt the case here (unless you seerely OD'd! - but you could do that on anything, coffee, alcohol etc.)

3,3 and 3,5 together is an ace fat shredder, only sides you may get are lethergy, in which case pull back the dose a little or get a decent pre workout supplement to give you a boost (I use anadraulic state GT)
 
Ec stack and reduce xt.
 
EBF Inc said:
This would be an excellent stack. It's one product I highly recommend with it for non stim
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Great combo
 
your local gym lol

Sida cordifolia next best natural source... but just liek eca it makes me angry and exhausted
 
mr.cooper69 said:
EC is actually muscle sparing.
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I like ec with reduce xt
 
Mod edit: nope
 
Tiredness/nervousness is quite strong on TT-33 though. Its working but it does hammer you're natural 'alpha-ness'
I feel like I need a holiday
 
In the uk we have do do chesteze think they are like bronkaid in the US so 2 of them and 200 mg caffeine job done sweat my tits off alday lol
 
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