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Which steroid/PH impressed you the most, and which disappointed the most?

Referring to the old LG brand

M1T = impressed the most in terms of pure strength
M1T = disappointed the most in terms of sides ( i felt like i had to vomit for 1 week after my run)
 
Something people are loving SD,the other are saying its the worst..I can't make up a decision to kickstart my test cycle w/SD ..I had a friend who was on 20mg SD for 2 weeks and he was feeling so crappy that it made me never want to try it.He couldn't even workout b/c of backpumps.His lifts went down.If this happens to me Id cry.

Im debatin between epi/dbol/sd. Someone gave me epi before saying that its a natural booster.I didn't even know i was on AAs.But I still made amazing gains while i was on a cut.My deadlift went up 90 pounds. Maybe I should stick to Epi since my body responded well to it? I had no sides either.
 
tuRkx said:
Something people are loving SD,the other are saying its the worst..I can't make up a decision to kickstart my test cycle w/SD ..I had a friend who was on 20mg SD for 2 weeks and he was feeling so crappy that it made me never want to try it.He couldn't even workout b/c of backpumps.His lifts went down.If this happens to me Id cry.

Im debatin between epi/dbol/sd. Someone gave me epi before saying that its a natural booster.I didn't even know i was on AAs.But I still made amazing gains while i was on a cut.My deadlift went up 90 pounds. Maybe I should stick to Epi since my body responded well to it? I had no sides either.
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Sounds like Epi worked well for you. As for your friend's case, I have to ask, if he's getting backpumps so bad that he can't lift, WHY THE **** IS HE DOING 20MG? When he can do 10mg instead... Everybody that complains about Superdrol isn't dosing it properly.
 
couldn't agree more, so many people complain about the sides and just don't drop their dose its nuts. 10mg of superdrol or pheraplex is still a good amount. that **** is powerful!

For me, i have never made these huge gains i read about on here when it's all over, if i do a pretty serious cycle and end up with >5lbs and don't add fat then i'm pretty happy.

Sometimes I feel like the new powerful oral steroids have skewed perspective, "i only put on 10lbs in 4 weeks" or something, I feel like that is NUTS, a real 10lb gain in weight if you're not adding fat is TRANSFORMATIONAL for the average bodybuilder and back in the day took a 10 week or more cycle of testosterone to achieve. Dropping the dose on superdrol and just running it an extra week or something is NOT a bad option, I'm surprised i don't see more superdrol cycles run like 10/10/20/20/20 or something for these ~170lbs guys doing their first cycles.
I'm a big fan of running lower doses of the orals but for longer durations.

sorry to rant off topic....
 
I agree lower dosed and longer is one of the best ways to get max gains while keeping sides in check

does anyone know if torrm is good for tren pct? People don't like nolva but cloni bc of the pr receptor
 
UnrealMachine said:
Sounds like Epi worked well for you. As for your friend's case, I have to ask, if he's getting backpumps so bad that he can't lift, WHY THE **** IS HE DOING 20MG? When he can do 10mg instead... Everybody that complains about Superdrol isn't dosing it properly.
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He started with 10,then boosted it to 20.

I guess ill stick with Epi. SD scares me when you read about pissing blood,fatigue and liver/lung pain but the results are so tempting.So you are saying even at 10mg you can expect great gains? Im going to be bulking btw. Maybe 2nd cycle..Ill just keep one in stock.

Sorry to be off topic BTW.
 
after four pages, I decided to post my worthless opinion up in da house.

my biggest disapointment. the one.
4 caps perday gained maybe 5lbs, and no significant strength gains. 60$ !!!

my favorite is ot and it's little brother, hd. small dosage of 50mg works good for me.

i liked 4-diol, but it takes so much to see results.

epi, it's okay.

my next cycle will be with test. it better be everything y'all say it is, and a bag of chips.
 
Best- VPX 1-Test (Sublingual), First cycle, saw no sides and gained solid 12lbs.
Close second would be AX Phera-Plex- also saw no sides and gained alot.

Worst - Superdrol + FinigenX Magnum (original version with the Estra-4,9)
Both gave my gyno symptoms and the SD gave me SUPER high BP, had a nose bleed
and quit that ****

Good / Neutral - EPI!! I loved it, made me feel good- and got rid of my gyno.
Also 1,4 AD (I think it's sold as Bold200 these days) It gave me HUGE increase in
Appetite, however gains were mild if visible at all..
 
neverstop said:
couldn't agree more, so many people complain about the sides and just don't drop their dose its nuts. 10mg of superdrol or pheraplex is still a good amount. that **** is powerful!

For me, i have never made these huge gains i read about on here when it's all over, if i do a pretty serious cycle and end up with >5lbs and don't add fat then i'm pretty happy.

Sometimes I feel like the new powerful oral steroids have skewed perspective, "i only put on 10lbs in 4 weeks" or something, I feel like that is NUTS, a real 10lb gain in weight if you're not adding fat is TRANSFORMATIONAL for the average bodybuilder and back in the day took a 10 week or more cycle of testosterone to achieve. Dropping the dose on superdrol and just running it an extra week or something is NOT a bad option, I'm surprised i don't see more superdrol cycles run like 10/10/20/20/20 or something for these ~170lbs guys doing their first cycles.
I'm a big fan of running lower doses of the orals but for longer durations.

sorry to rant off topic....
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Don't be sorry at all. I see this all the time on other forums, guys are like "I've been taking it for two and a half days and I don't feel anything or see any changes in the mirror, what gives?" or "I did a 3 week cycle, gained 15lbs bodyweight while losing a few pounds of fat and my lifts are all up like 40 lbs, this sucks, I'm so disappointed in how weak my gains were". Kids think they're going to go from 160lbs @ 12% bf to looking like Jay Cutler with one or two cycles, it's ridiculous.
 
First cycle of hdrol I didnt go over 50mg and gained 12lbs while dropping bf% like a bad habit, I kept a solid 9 or 10lbs overall. Second time I ran it, I went up to 75mg from the 3rd week on and ran it for 7 weeks total- not by choice might I add. I had planned on a 5 week cycle but Im not getting into that. Moving on, it was a nightmare. Blood pressure went up despite the fact that I was supplementing with cycle assist and various other products, nips started to get itchy and sensitive around week 4 and I was bloated like you wouldnt believe. Blood tests during cycle showed all my liver/kidney functions to be perfect so im not sure what went wrong. H-drol shuts me down to the point where it becomes worthless for me to run it any longer. Not worth the sides... killed libido completely. Couldnt even get laid.
 
Superdrol works very well for me
SD bridged to Epi works very well for me.
SD was actually M Drol, Epi was Havoc,CEL and IBE Epistane.

Various Tren and various Phera have never done a thing for me except raise BP and make me aggresive. No weight/strength gain at all.
 
best- epistane I ran it at 30/30/30/40 and gained 9 lbs and strength went up on everything



worst-superdrol(partially because i was a noob and dosed it like a moron) I had lethargy in the day and insomnia at night
 
jbryand101b said:
after four pages, I decided to post my worthless opinion up in da house.

my biggest disapointment. the one.
4 caps perday gained maybe 5lbs, and no significant strength gains. 60$ !!!

my favorite is ot and it's little brother, hd. small dosage of 50mg works good for me.

i liked 4-diol, but it takes so much to see results.

epi, it's okay.

my next cycle will be with test. it better be everything y'all say it is, and a bag of chips.
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wait is turnibol different compound then hd- i thought they where same one was just oral? Im not doubting you just tryin to get my information straight
 
This is a tough question to answer, but I'll have to give the nod to SD. No sides and I always get great gains with 10mg/daily for 4 weeks.

I haven't had an unimpressive run yet with anything, so I can't comment on that part.
 
VAR!!!

Youve probably all heard me rant about it by now. Its decent but not for the price, mine as well hdrol and get same results - serious. Other than that Ive liked everything so far.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I see what you're getting at and I agree, however i'd run it differnetly. Hdrol is weak, way way weak IMO (for me personally too), i think if you want to hold gains from SD then you need a real high dose of Hdrol

Superdrol 10/20/20
Halodrol 50/50/75/100/100/100

something like that. seriously. Unless you respond to halodrol very well, personally i didn't gain on 50 and think for me 100 is the minimum for holding onto those insane gains.
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cool idea, initially i was going to go with SD pulsed on top of the hdrol, but with a slightly lower dose of hdrol overall, that looks like a tempting plan for my future hdrol cycle. SD worked well for my last time.
 
Best:

hdrol and SD.

Only cycled SD once but seriously, never felt so powerful!

Worst:

The One.

Gained nothing more than I would have expected with the xtra food i was eating.
 
Best: dienedione aka: Tren / great strength gains
Superdrol / great mass gains / hardness / with sides though
Pheraplex / great mass with no sides

Worst: Spawn / all hype
Furazadrol / need to take the entire bottle at once
Halodrol and Epistane= see furazadrol
Protodrol/ very little of anything to show for two bottles
 
waynaferd said:
Epistane for me!!

2 cycles, for 5 weeks, up to 50/day, and both times gained almost 15 pds, some being water, some being fat from eating like a dinosaur. Strength increase was very impressive.

Only sides were back pumps and lethargy. Only lost 2 pds with nolva PCT both cycles.

In 2-3 weeks I'm going to start a m-drol to p-plex, and will letcha know how that goes, but I must say, I do like epistane!!
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Wow this is old!!

Anyway, I did two cycles, both m-drol @ 20 bridged to P-plex up to 40, for 7 weeks total. I was also doing 5x5 and gained an s-ton of strength and decent size.

So between them all, I don't think p-plex is that great, and I like the "giddy" feeling from epistane, and will bridge to that next time.
 
Best= pheraplex, felt awesome, pumps from carrying groceries, gained 13 pounds and great strength

Worst= superdrol, bloated terrible, nosebleeds, very high blood pressure, gained 8 pounds and lost 6 during first week of pct... overall felt terrible, I probably just respond very poorly to this
 
UnrealMachine said:
I feel about half the compounds i've tried exerted minimal effects on me because of my inherent response, or simply insufficient dosing (hdrol, zol = no gains, minor hardening. Trenadrol = ran 2 weeks and felt nothing). But while all of these disappointed me greatly, Epi disappointed me the most because it gave me plenty of EFFECTS, just no GAINS.

Most disappointing = Epi/Havoc. Because I first ran it on a cut, i got better pumps and vascularity and figured it was working well. When I ran it on a bulk, i was so angry, I lifted hard and ate so much and was rewarded with about 5 pounds of fat from the extra calories, and 0 strength gains. I was getting better pumps, better muscle hardness, better vascularity. The gains would not come. I only ran 30/30/40/40 though.

Most impressive = Superdrol. Superdrol saved my Epi cycle, i switched to SD and I instantly started gaining weight and strength faster than ever in my life. After no progress on Epi... I gained 15 pounds of weight and 50+ pounds on my bench from the superdrol 10/20/20/30 cycle. I felt great the entire time, only sides were a few backpumps.
I then proceeded to lose most of the gains about as rapidly as they came. I kept about 9 pounds but had to eat so much that I gained some fat. Strength was still elevated but my awesome #s on bench plummeted pretty quick. Since then I have been thinking of ways to incorporate Superdrol in more of a jumpstart fashion, and also to pulse it to increase cycle length and make the gains more keepable.
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I have done (incredible bulk-19 nor), I have done a stack with a mix of things from epi,s-drol,tren,havoc,max lmg & more wich was called (raw phase 1,raw phase 2 & rest), (md1t & superdrol)... Right now the md1t at 3 caps & the superdrol at 3 caps for a 8 week cycle seems to respondin well & decided to do it big & keep the dosage high thru & thru cause am hopin to put all ph's & gear behind me & maintain by proper nutrition & worse comes to worse to run a super-drol cycle for bulkin 1 every yar for bulkin or every other.
 
I havent really had a bad cycle. Only my Revolt and Epi stack was disappointing just expected more.

Cycles I really liked Tren/Epi/Derma/AndroHard, Turinabol LV/Fura, and Epi pulse.

The disappointing cycle could have been my fault though. Might not have been as ready as I thought I was. The epi clone was a different 1 though.
 
I would have to say the steroid that impressed me the most would be sustanol. It really helped my workouts and increased my test levels out of the roof. I was pumping iron like I've never pumped before. I was taking one cc every three days
 
best steroid - Test-e (lbm gains and feel great)
worst steroid - Deca (very hard recovery for me personally)

best ph /desingner - Ultradrol (felt great comared to sd and almost as good gains)
worst ph/designer - Androhard/lean V2 (lost strength and size and felt horrible. Still pisses me off thinking about it.)
 
Seems like phera plex is the lost liked and has amazing backing I wish it was around :( any clones of it ?? I know it's banned meh ...
 
Gym4Life said:
Seems like phera plex is the lost liked and has amazing backing I wish it was around :( any clones of it ?? I know it's banned meh ...
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Ment to say is the most liked im Also surprised how many people was disappointed in hdrol and epi makes me want to skip trying them and just go with superdrol or tren lol
 
most impressive probably injectable tren and for oral dianabol, for disapointing probably boldenone(gyno symptoms) and oral winny wasnt that cool, maybe just overhyped
UnrealMachine said:
I am just curious about how well people respond to different anabolics. So based on what you were expecting, which one exceeded expectations, and which one failed to live up to expectations?

I will try to keep a running tally. The goal here is data-gathering.

MOST IMPRESSIVE

"Tren" (19-nor)
jambarino
Liftingstud (stacked with Epi)
Royd the Noyd
ecosocialist (stacked with PP)
qwerty33
flightposite
opr8r

Epi/Havoc
Andy G (stacked w/4ad)
Liftingstud (stacked with Tren)
gabecamp
tnubs
AE14 (stacked with andro)
RenegadeRows

1-AD
gabecamp
cmc
AE14 (stacked with havoc)
Rodja

PP
Trauma1
ecosocialist (stacked with Tren)
supersize77

SD
UnrealMachine
henryhavoc
neverstop

Trenadrol
bigpapa

Tren Ace
Royd the Noyd

Hdrol

The One

M1A
Iron Lungz

Testosterone
neverstop (500-750mg)



MOST DISAPPOINTING

Epi/Havoc
UnrealMachine (no gains)
bigpapa (stacked with Furaz, compounds too weak, lethargy)
nosnmiveins (water weight, dry joints)
Suryoyo (no gains)

SD
Royd the Noyd (shutdown, sides)
ecosocialist (loss of appetite, poor gains)
tnubs (BP problems)
RenegadeRows (felt sick)
Iron Lungz (felt sick)

"Tren" (19-nor)
Andy G (sides)

1-AD
jambarino (allergic)

Testosterone
Royd the Noyd (no gains)

The One
gabecamp (no weight gain)

Hdrol
flightposite (sides, few gains)

PP

Trenadrol

Tren Ace
neverstop (poison)

Ergomax-LMG (phera isomer)
supersize77 (weak)

Furazadrol
AE14 (too weak)

M1T
Rodja (sides, shutdown)
neverstop (M1T = poison)




Some posts I'm having a real hard time integrating into this format. I will consider the change TexasTitan suggested. It'll prolly stay like this for now.

Again, I am looking for steroids that impressed you, based on your expectations. Not the best one or the worst one. Basically, I am asking which one your body responded the best to, and which one your body responded the worst to.
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Loved phera gained 25 pound and bench went from 315 to 370 in 4.5 weeks. Kept most of it after pct.
On test-e now and enjoying (despite gyno flare having to deal with)
 
I love Epi, ultradrol and hdrol. Never tried sd, will try it come sept or so. All three compounds leaned me out good.
 
Dimethazine the most amazing mass gains and great strength gains, also incredible pumps. 11-oxo definately the least ran it at 700mg and got nothing but the ****s.
 
Husker89 said:
what did u run methly sten(ultra) at?
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I did; 8/8/12/12/12/12 (the last few days it was at 16, didnt have enough) UL is pretty underdosed but it works quick. Glycogen storage within the first week. Starting it low is good because it works quick and it doesn't kick in strength wise till like week 3. Had no sides and I was recomping. I will run this again but at higher dosages. IMO running it this way is best:
8/12/16/20/20/20(24)
 
Most Impressive: SD (strength was phenomenal)
close 2nd: extreme tren (great recomp-stripped the fat off quick, great vascularity)

Most dissapointing: hdrol (no gains whatsoever for me, even at 100mg)
close 2nd: 11-oxo recently ran it in at 900 mg for 8 weeks. no gains, very minimal fat loss. all it really helped with was hardness


Lets keep this thread going y'all.
 
i ran the old ones first steroid ever **** was hard
muller said:
cus I'm the only one who ran 'em here :13:

but seriously, the old ones were badass, one tab a day, seemed to be slowly digested since it was actually a TAB. new ones blow in comparison, not sure if it's some bullsh*t ingredient or less of it, but new ones are NOT like the old ones..
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Most impressive: Phera - strength and size gains were pronounced, kept most through PCT. Also felt great while on it - though the ridiculously increased libido was somewhat of a distraction.

Least impressive: H-drol - took the original Gaspari (or should I say Bruce Knellar) H50 at 50mg per day for 30 days and got nothing from it, nothing at all.
 
Least impressive: anavar and t-bol. Turns out everyone is right when they say to use test as a base for any cycle- there is no substitute for a quality injectable. You'd get better results from a PH and you'd save money.
 
I am going to disagree on this comparison just for the fact that all of my inner circle and myself included have run dmz and none of us have had any note worth sides from dimethazine except for one of my friends got minor gyno from bunk pct, of course he has always been gyno-prone and he also bought bunk clomid.

BeastMode 1 said:
i doubt your ever gonna tried it...unless you got some stashed away.

DMZ is most comparable to SD.
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