Was Gerald Butler from the movie '300' on steroids ?
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Ziquor
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That was the 1st 2 links I found, 1 was Mens Health. There's many more. But I suppose they could be lying. With 3% you'd have to have little to no water too.
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Xodus
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The little to no water thing is why you can't just 'walk around' at 3% bf.
snagency
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Dunno.. Ronnie Coleman walked around at 3%, got down to 1.8% for the Olympia a few yrs. back. On some sites they couldn't even pinch the skin for a measurement, so they had to guesstimate..
And Ronnie doesn't do steroids either!
Xodus
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Mulletsoldier
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Yes, but that's never what I was referring to.
That took him 2.5 years, apparently. Not the best example, maybe?
snagency
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lol.. yeah. Dude's a mutant.
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Xodus
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You should be, as that is what this thread is about.
Re-read:
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~1 year (Oct 06 - Sept 07). And he had a HELLUVA ways to go compared to Gerard Butler in ~5 months.
Xodus
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Which if you actually read the alwyn cosgrove blog they state is exactly what Gerard Butler did for his role in 300. He got a 'functional, athletic physique', he is not a 'mass monster'.
Mulletsoldier
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But I wasn't, as I was speaking about tissue turnover ratios.
You should possibly re-read, as he LOST 28lbs (15%) of his LBM. So, again, maybe not the best example? His transformation was impressive, but he did not gain muscle, and lose fat (which is what I'm talking about) at the same time. He was morbidly obese, and when he stripped that fat away with diet and exercise, he was...a normal looking individual. Amazing transformation, but not relative.
Mulletsoldier
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Butler, if you read his other interviews, lifted with a Venezuelan BB'er (whose name I cannot recall). Most of his training was primarily with him, and not the cross-fit training performed by many of the extras.
Xodus
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I am not saying he simultaneously lost fat and gained muscle. I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. This thread is about whether Gerard Butler could have stripped off the fat and obtained the physique he had for 300 WITHOUT steroids.
Xodus
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But we all know that diet is the key here, whether it was crossfit or traditional bb training, all he seemed to have really done is shed body fat to levels that helped accentuate the 'beach muscles'.
He went from this:
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To this:
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In 5 months time.
Again, he is not 'bigger', just cut.
Ziquor
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Just on BB and fitness forums there's an absurd number of people using gear who have very average, if not less than average physiques, very un-impressive. Many people, more so than ever, look for the quick easy way to acheive results but simply don't have the determination & patience to maintain what they get out of AAS. In Hollywood where looks are basically everything, I can't begin to imagine how many use AAS, males alone.
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I'm lost as to what is even the argument. Like crying emo I see no simultaneous fat loss/mass gain. But I think maybe we are talking about different actors?
Btw, Ziquor's sig says it all. I think we should all just stfu and be like that guy...whoever he might be.
Btw, Ziquor's sig says it all. I think we should all just stfu and be like that guy...whoever he might be.
GMG760
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Haven't seen it, but I heard about it. Not much of a fan of the Docu-Drama films. I find most of these so called "documentaries", especially the likes of Michael Moore's films to be quite slanted and are just as bad as any political propaganda.
Yea steroids have side effects. So does the prescription acne drug Accutane. You don't see a bunch of people waiving the red flag and making movies about controlling their zits.
Ziquor
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Sure, anything can have sides - some things more than others. If it was a documentary soley about bashing aas & side effects I'd have no desire to see it, but it looks more interesting than just that.
GMG760
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I agree, after watching the trailer I would like to see it, I just don't think I am going to like what I end up seeing. I already got the feeling that the whole slant is going to be a "shame shame" sort of thing. Kinda like the whole gun control issue and bowling for columbine. Yea, the stories were all sad, and they all were issues of gun control, but I just found it to be Michael Moore's stepping stone for his own agenda. I hope these filmmakers are different.
I don't know if this film is going to be educating people or just trying to sway them one way or another, there has to be an underlying motive/direction or the film won't have a conclusion, and most film's tend to have a conclusion.
I will probably watch it as soon as I can get my hands on it though.
Ziquor
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No never heard of. WTF is that?
GMG760
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Really? It's about four different people who all took steroids or were in the process of cycling or selling steroids. I think it was on A&E.
The exploding arms part was about Gregg Valentino and his grotesque physique from steroid abuse, and during the process of, his arm got infected (at something ridiculous like 28") from using needles over and over again... they didn't mention it in the documentary, but I think it was from screwing up with Synthol. I don't think his arms could have gotten like that otherwise.
Pretty gnarly stuff, and Valentino is OUT OF HIS MIND at times.
Xodus
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His grotesque physique (arms really) were from synthol abuse, certainly not from site injections.
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GMG760
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Agreed. They don't mention Synthol from what I remember in the documentary. They use the slant that it was from long term steroid abuse ... which is total BULLSH*T.
thesinner
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synthol is a site injection, though.
Steroids, however, do not have any site-specificness, so in that regard he's full of crap (or oil/Silicon). Unless he's constantly injecting esterless suspensions in minute quantities (IM Test Suspension Drip?). Yeah right. I'm more suspicious that it's implants. Synthol can't hold that much, as to add 6+ inches to your arm. (His arms are 27", Jay's and Ronnies are 22", ain't no way in hell his would be 22" naturally).
ReaperX
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ReaperX
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Yeah I want to say implants as well. Synthol will make the muscle big, but 7-8" of straight oil is kinda ridiculous.
It is probably, muscle, scar tissue, oil, and muscle implants.
ReaperX
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Well, there are several guys who are lightweights to begin with, do a cycle, and still are lightweights :think:
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EasyEJL
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ReaperX
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given his age, maybe he was just placed on short term accidentally overdosed TRT
accidentally...................:think:
dontknowaboutme
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After this thread I watched a lot of behind the scenes footage on youtube of 300. I am sure you can find it as it took me 30 seconds but I don't want to search for all the clips I thought were good.
Anyway, the director says that some of the abs were painted on. He talks about the lighting and how it really helped out.
Not to mention (I always tell people this) most of the time actors pump up for scenes. There is a clip of Butler curling a dumbbell before a shot. Considering Butler's minimal chest development and how some of the actors looked under normal lighting conditions from the clips, their bodies aren't nearly as impressive.
I still believe his body is attainable naturally in that short amount of time with make-up, lighting, and pumping-up between takes.
Anyway, the director says that some of the abs were painted on. He talks about the lighting and how it really helped out.
Not to mention (I always tell people this) most of the time actors pump up for scenes. There is a clip of Butler curling a dumbbell before a shot. Considering Butler's minimal chest development and how some of the actors looked under normal lighting conditions from the clips, their bodies aren't nearly as impressive.
I still believe his body is attainable naturally in that short amount of time with make-up, lighting, and pumping-up between takes.
warbird01
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yeah, i wasnt questioning whether he did, just wondering if he came out and said it publicly. lolgiven his age, maybe he was just placed on short term accidentally overdosed TRT
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