Volcom's Optimus PRIME Log

Inarius said:
normally my wallet and I fight for about 3 days prior to any order from np. He normally wins though.....
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I've learned that when I'm arguing with myself about buying a supplement, I always end up making the purchase. I've learned to give in after just 2 days, rather then 3 :nutkick:
 
I crushed in my shoulders and traps today.

DELTS

Bent Over Db Lateral Raises
40lbs Db's x 10 reps
45lbs Db's x 10 reps
50lbs Db's x 8 reps
55lbs Db's x 6 reps

Db Lateral Raises
35lbs Db's x 10 reps
40lbs Db's x 8 reps
45lbs Db's x 8 reps

Db Front Raises
30lbs Db's x 10 reps
35lbs Db's x 8 reps
40lbs Db's x 6 reps

Barbell Upright Rows - Wide Grip
95lbs x 10 reps
115lbs x 10 reps [+2 reps PR]
135lbs x 8 reps [+ 2 reps PR]

TRAPS

Smith-Barbell, One Arm Shrugs
135lbs x 10 reps, each arm
160lbs x 8 reps, e.a.
185lbs x 8 reps, e.a.

Barbell Shrugs
315lbs x 10 reps
375lbs x 8 reps
375lbs x 8 reps

Db Shrugs
100lbs Db's x 10 reps
125lbs Db's x 8 reps
125lbs Db's x 8 reps
 
Solid workout as always big V!! :head:
Curious though, no pressing moves for delts on this one?
Are you going more for shape now? :think:
 
snagency said:
Haven't we all man.. My favorite is: (to the wife) "But honey, this $500 order will last me 3 months, I've got everything covered; really, I won't need a thing.."

(wife): ..looking at me, eyebrows slightly raised..

fast forward a month later, after I've found something that looks interesting..

(me): "But honey, this is just a fantastic deal.."

(wife): ..looking at me, eyebrows slightly raised..

..and three weeks after that, after I've figured out there's something else I need..

(me): "But honey.."

(wife): ..looking at me, eyebrows slightly raised..
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I'm familiar with that pattern man... I have gotten better and stuck pretty much to the every 3 month thing over the last year or so.
 
Well, Volc and Snag, it happened...I told you I wasn't going to make anymore orders, right?...Well, my brother called me this morning while he was taking advantage of the NP sale and he asks, "What would be good to keep strength while I'm on a cut?" He takes BCAAs regularly so I thought maybe he'd like an AI to add to his arsenal...I said, "Well, T-911, the one I'd recommend, is at another site." So I navigate him through the site, and I think, "Hmm...That T-911 sure looks good..." Right before he gets off the phone with me I say, "Make that two T-911s!" :lol: - Oops! :p

That's okay, I guess. I made some money yesterday I didn't plan on making, so it covers that.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Well, Volc and Snag, it happened...I told you I wasn't going to make anymore orders, right?...Well, my brother called me this morning while he was taking advantage of the NP sale and he asks, "What would be good to keep strength while I'm on a cut?" He takes BCAAs regularly so I thought maybe he'd like an AI to add to his arsenal...I said, "Well, T-911, the one I'd recommend, is at another site." So I navigate him through the site, and I think, "Hmm...That T-911 sure looks good..." Right before he gets off the phone with me I say, "Make that two T-911s!" :lol: - Oops! :p

That's okay, I guess. I made some money yesterday I didn't plan on making, so it covers that.
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Sounds good to me! Those are called, positive "mistakes."
 
thundergod said:
Solid workout as always big V!! :head:
Curious though, no pressing moves for delts on this one?
Are you going more for shape now? :think:
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Absolutely. I've favored presses throughout the years because I favor intensity (which is why I always favored row movements on back days). My delts are pretty big, but not enough definition. As of late, my delts have been showing more definition and contour, so its like a bug. When abs start to show, you get more dedicated to really bringing them out, now that my delts are showing more, in terms of definition and contour, I want to focus more on bringing them out.

I've not stopped doing shoulder presses, but my shoulder presses had become static in progression, if not decreasing in performance, so I thought i'd lay off this one time. I'll be pressing the next session.
 
DreamWeaver said:
I'm familiar with that pattern man... I have gotten better and stuck pretty much to the every 3 month thing over the last year or so.
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I'm assuming I'll have to go with the, "save up" method when I'm married. There will be a lot of things I'll have to learn about living and compromising with a shared income I'm sure.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Well, Volc and Snag, it happened...I told you I wasn't going to make anymore orders, right?...Well, my brother called me this morning while he was taking advantage of the NP sale and he asks, "What would be good to keep strength while I'm on a cut?" He takes BCAAs regularly so I thought maybe he'd like an AI to add to his arsenal...I said, "Well, T-911, the one I'd recommend, is at another site." So I navigate him through the site, and I think, "Hmm...That T-911 sure looks good..." Right before he gets off the phone with me I say, "Make that two T-911s!" :lol: - Oops! :p
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But of course! :toofunny:

Ahh, we're all a bunch of supp junkies. :sigh: There are worse things tho..
 
snagency said:
But of course! :toofunny:

Ahh, we're all a bunch of supp junkies. :sigh: There are worse things tho..
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Yep. I love when people are slamming alcohol, and I'm over in the kitchen eating my meal and taking fish oil, and they come over and tell me I need to stop taking so many pills because my heart's going to explode. :lol:

"Okay, man. I'll keep an eye out for that...in the mean time, would you like to polish off the bottle of milk thistle I have in my bag? Your liver will thank you."
 
I'm looking into some pure cutting or recomp soon. Apart from the obvious, diet and cardio, what supps do you guys like apart from ECA, ECY. I love Recreate, and although I did not need to use it for a "minimum of 60 days" to see results, I'm trying to stretch a dollar as far as it can go.

I didn't see any benefit from my multiple uses of DCP, and LR gives me headaches everytime, Sesamin has been my personal, biggest flop. Recreate has the benefit of extended use as a result of the lack of strong stims, but damn $$$.

ECA is my favorite, but I build up a tolerance to jet fuel stims way too easily.

I'm not "depending" on a supp to cut, I know its 90% diet, 10% cardio, maybe 85/15, but having a cut supp motivates me psychologically and I need an added motivator to re-establish the discipline of low carbs, high cardio.

I'm not lean enough to make use of any topicals in my opinion.
 
You guys don't even want to know about my odd brachio workout today, I was a bit apprehensive to post it, but oh well.

Reverse Barbell Curls
85lbs x 10 res
105lbs x 8 reps
115lbs x 6 reps

Barbell Preacher Reverse Curls
45lbs x 10 reps
55lbs x 8 reps
65lbs x 6 reps

Smith-Barbell, Reverse Curls
95lbs x 10 reps
115lbs x 8 reps
135lbs x 8 reps

Cable, EZ Bar Reverse Curls
120lbs x 10 reps
130lbs x 8 reps
140lbs x 6 reps

Cable, One Arm Reverse Curls
50lbs x 10 reps
60lbs x 8 reps
70lbs x 6 reps
 
I'm digging this Y-RD thus far. Hitting up that Sixpack Stack is actually quite cost-effective if you think about it, considering the price reduction and free Y-RD, or even just the Recreate if you didn't want the AP, and in that case you'd still get the Y-RD.

Remember too that even if you don't FEEL the stim taking effect, the increased thermogenesis still occurs, and that's really all you need assuming your energy levels are high enough.
 
I think we shall name him "Brachialis Maximus " ;) Nice arm workout there!

Have you considered the cortisol-suppression route for weight-loss. Perhaps something like Lean-Xtreme, a 7-OH product? Or even Phosphatidyl Serine + Rhodiola. I know ALCAR doesn't help too much for fat loss, but I find it helps give the focus needed during a cut. Just picked up 500g after being impressed by the 100g test run.
 
Irish Cannon said:
I'm digging this Y-RD thus far. Hitting up that Sixpack Stack is actually quite cost-effective if you think about it, considering the price reduction and free Y-RD, or even just the Recreate if you didn't want the AP, and in that case you'd still get the Y-RD.

Remember too that even if you don't FEEL the stim taking effect, the increased thermogenesis still occurs, and that's really all you need assuming your energy levels are high enough.
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That Reduction does look tasty, and not only price wise.

Recreate's thermogenesis is unparalled in my use of fat burners, so I hear ya. I remember sweating like a pig when eating and when I would walk fast to a class, I would sweat like an animal once I got to class, as if I'd sprinted there.
 
Steveoph said:
I think we shall name him "Brachialis Maximus " ;) Nice arm workout there!

Have you considered the cortisol-suppression route for weight-loss. Perhaps something like Lean-Xtreme, a 7-OH product? Or even Phosphatidyl Serine + Rhodiola. I know ALCAR doesn't help too much for fat loss, but I find it helps give the focus needed during a cut. Just picked up 500g after being impressed by the 100g test run.
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Lean Xtreme is definitely something I considered as part of the equation. I tend to over-cardio and under-eat (via obsession sometimes), so the anti cort is useful to me.

Current arsenals in the stock yard I have enough of to be added to a stack, rather then spontaneous use.
- T-911
- Phenadrine
- Rest-AD
- Yohimbine HCL

I do love the focus. The mental stim and appetite suppression route is something I'm a big fan of. ECA has me on cloud 9, but the adrenals pay dearly and the effects are short lasting (for me).
 
The adrenals are definitely under-appreciated. For the past 2.5 weeks I've taken off all stims, was relaxing at home over the break taking EndoAmp (PS) and Reset-AD and haven't felt this good in ages. Stress levels are way down, but now that I'm back to university I can feel them going back up. I'm planning on reading [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Adrenal-Fatigue-Century-Stress-Syndrome/dp/1890572152/ref=pd_sim_b_3]Amazon.com: Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome: James L. Wilson, Johnathan V. Wright: Books[/ame] and [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Why-Zebras-Dont-Ulcers-Third/dp/0805073698/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1229453181&sr=1-1]Amazon.com: Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers, Third Edition: Robert M. Sapolsky: Books[/ame] to better understand cortisol/stress.

I wish NP has some 7-Keto bulk powder, I have the penetrate waiting :( Picked up some Rhodiola, and am debating getting two TRS from PP's 30% off sale. The ironic thing is I just dropped a bunch of money of Pre-WO supps (2 Grape JP8 & Jacked), and now I don't even want to take them; my body feels so clean being stim free that I don't want to ruin it lol.
 
Steveoph said:
The adrenals are definitely under-appreciated. For the past 2.5 weeks I've taken off all stims, was relaxing at home over the break taking EndoAmp (PS) and Reset-AD and haven't felt this good in ages. Stress levels are way down, but now that I'm back to university I can feel them going back up. I'm planning on reading Invalid Link Removed and Invalid Link Removed to better understand cortisol/stress.

I wish NP has some 7-Keto bulk powder, I have the penetrate waiting :( Picked up some Rhodiola, and am debating getting two TRS from PP's 30% off sale. The ironic thing is I just dropped a bunch of money of Pre-WO supps (2 Grape JP8 & Jacked), and now I don't even want to take them; my body feels so clean being stim free that I don't want to ruin it lol.
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I hear ya, being off stims does feel nice, but weaning yourself off of stims is a b!itch.

So far I'm looking at Lean Xtreme, NOW 7-Keto and Reduction.

I can tell you why Zebra's don't get ulcers, as I've been lectured on the premise of that book, but it'd take a little time, but quite simple really.

I'll look into Rhodiola.
 
VolcomX311 said:
I hear ya, being off stims does feel nice, but weaning yourself off of stims is a b!itch.

So far I'm looking at Lean Xtreme, NOW 7-Keto and Reduction.

I can tell you why Zebra's don't get ulcers, as I've been lectured on the premise of that book, but it'd take a little time, but quite simple really.

I'll look into Rhodiola.
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Biotest's writeup Invalid Link Removed , touches on them. Their 15% extract is nice, but when compared to the NOW's 3% version, you get more Rosavins per cap because the cap contains 5x the total content, at <40% of the price :lol: Strag got me to use this, Ashwagandha and Relora and the 3 helped ease the stress. I'm going to try just Rhodiola & ALCAR this time around.
 
VolcomX311 said:
So the Lean Xtreme and the Rhodiola are quite the synergy. Mind is grinding.....
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While you're grinding those mental gears there Volcomus Primus Maximus, let me ask you a question. Have you used the Phenadrine yet? I was wondering what that shizz feels like? :think:
 
thundergod said:
While you're grinding those mental gears there Volcomus Primus Maximus, let me ask you a question. Have you used the Phenadrine yet? I was wondering what that shizz feels like? :think:
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I'll compare the Phenadrine against ECA, so I know you're an Ephedrine Vet/King.

ECA is a very strong physical and mental stim. I define physical stim as, you feel very restless, with loads of energy that needs to be released through activity. Mental stim is, you have all the motivation in the world to do everything you want, but the physical energy is not as motivating. You could very well want to go to the gym as bad as you want, but you could just as well sit there and contemplate it without the energy to do so with Phenadrine.

That said, Phenadrine is a strong stim for both physical and mental, but more mental, as compared to ECA/Jet Fighter Fuel.

The sense of well being is definitely more prominent in ECA as well. However, Phendadrine doesn't have the same crash, and the appetite suppressant of Phenadrine is in the same realm as ECA for me.

It's a nice change of pace from ECA and I think for a lot of people, Phenadrine might even seem intense, but it's quite mild for me, which means it's a depressant for you.

If you're looking for a change of pace, I highly recommend Phenadrine, I'm considering Phenadrine as one of my foundations, but if you're looking for something superior to the ECAY that I know you love so much :nono:

Phenadrine won't bring you 0-60 in under 10 seconds like an ECA stim, you could very well take it and not be overcome with energy, but you'll be very aware of how much energy you wished you had. I know I'm not painting the best picture, but I'm comparing this to ECA and taking into consideration your even greater inclination and use for stims then anybody here. For any of us mortals, I would highly recommend Phenadrine, but for you, I don't know. However, I was reading how much you enjoyed JACKED in your log, so maybe "regular" stuff could be effective for you.

I've used Phenadrine on 4 or 5 occasions and i like the change of pace from jet fighter fuel, ECA. I think Phenadrine won't force intensity like ECA, but if you're inherently intense, then it does augment that to a degree.

As far as effective fat burner, I don't know yet.
 
Steveoph said:
Biotest's writeup Invalid Link Removed , touches on them. Their 15% extract is nice, but when compared to the NOW's 3% version, you get more Rosavins per cap because the cap contains 5x the total content, at <40% of the price :lol: Strag got me to use this, Ashwagandha and Relora and the 3 helped ease the stress. I'm going to try just Rhodiola & ALCAR this time around.
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when you say ALCAR, are you just referring to acetyl L carnitine?
 
snagency said:
I love me some Ashwagandha! :thumbsup:
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Thanks for the suggestion Snag,

So basically, Lean Xtreme, Ashwagandha, Relora and Rhodiola are the anti stress, anti cortisol mafiosa crew, from what I understand. I've looked up and read all these suggestions and they sound great. I've never taken the anti cortisol approach with anything beyond Lean Xtreme or Lean FX.

Steveo,

Maybe I'm partially down syndrome, but I couldn't tell whether you were telling me to go with Biotest or with NOW on the Rhodiola.
 
Irish,

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I suppose I'm no adolescent anymore, I think I'll give that a go as well.

Wish List:

Lean Xtreme
7- Keto Invalid Link Removed
Rhodiolo
Ashwagandha
Relora
Phosphatidyl Serine
Acetyl L-Carnitine

and a solid stim base, like Phenadrine, Reduction or something along those lines.
 
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I know this was suppose to be my last log for awhile, as I believe I have suffered from over-logging and causing you guys subscribers-fatigue, but I'm considering logging a cut with all these new (to me) approaches to cutting, if for nothing else but your guys encouragement, motivation and great sources of knowledge.

It could be a bit Recomp'ish as well, due to my bottle of T-911 sitting around.
 
i tried catching up, but failed. ill just try and chime in to current page events haha.

glad to see its still treating you well tho.

hows your break been sam? ready for school to start again?

EDIT: im going to plan a recomp/cut for the spring as well. im hovering around 200 right now, was going to stop at 210, but with my NP order, i dont think ill have any problems getting up to 220 or maybe even 230 within 4-5 months.

bulk p-slin, activate, bulk 1-c, jacked, xtend, wms, oh dear god. cannot wait. oh and a ridiculous amount of food.
 
rolandajoint said:
i tried catching up, but failed. ill just try and chime in to current page events haha.

glad to see its still treating you well tho.

hows your break been sam? ready for school to start again?

EDIT: im going to plan a recomp/cut for the spring as well. im hovering around 200 right now, was going to stop at 210, but with my NP order, i dont think ill have any problems getting up to 220 or maybe even 230 within 4-5 months.

bulk p-slin, activate, bulk 1-c, jacked, xtend, wms, oh dear god. cannot wait. oh and a ridiculous amount of food.
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I still need to get you the JW, that would go great with the Pslin, WMS.
 
VolcomX311 said:
I know this was suppose to be my last log for awhile, as I believe I have suffered from over-logging and causing you guys subscribers-fatigue, but I'm considering logging a cut with all these new (to me) approaches to cutting, if for nothing else but your guys encouragement, motivation and great sources of knowledge.

It could be a bit Recomp'ish as well, due to my bottle of T-911 sitting around.
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Mate, please do log it. Im beggining to cut myself so i could use the motivation and tips to boot.
 
snagency said:
But of course! :toofunny:

Ahh, we're all a bunch of supp junkies. :sigh: There are worse things tho..
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yep the only reason 2 of the T-911's aren't coming my way is the hassle of getting them to Canada. Otherwise I would have that bill along with my 500 dollar NP order.
 
VolcomX311 said:
when you say ALCAR, are you just referring to acetyl L carnitine?
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Yes sir; I initially picked it up for the coginitive benefits; but I was rather intrigued by Biotest's write-up regarding its ability to boost the amount of androgen receptors.

Acetyl-L-Carnitine Increases Androgen Receptors

Renowned muscle researcher Dr. Bill Kraemer has published a handful of excellent studies showing that the acetylated form of L-Carnitine increases androgen receptor content following whole-body resistance training workouts.(1)

Kraemer showed that 21 days of supplementation with acetyl-L-carnitine led to a significant increase in the androgen-receptor content of the vastus lateralis muscle in the thigh. (The vastus lateralis is the traditional spot from which to take muscle biopsies and if the number of androgen receptors increased there, they increased in all muscles.)

Additionally, Kraemer noted that the athletes' blood levels of Testosterone plummeted after a workout. While that initially sounds like a bad thing, it's not. Instead, it shows that something good happened.

Since the "roads" (blood vessels) had less Testosterone flowing through them, it meant that Testosterone had pulled off the road and "parked" in the new Testosterone receptors found on the acetyl-L-carnitine user's muscle.

Since there were more parking spots for Testosterone to park, it leads to more protein synthesis, which literally means more muscle.

Furthermore, the temporarily low level of free Testosterone in the blood stream tells the brain (the pituitary-gonadal axis), through negative feedback, that it needs to start producing even more Testosterone.


So you get a double bonus: More T is attached to muscles and more T is produced.

Another acetyl-L-carnitine study by Volek and Kraemer showed that athletes who used the compound after a squat workout had increased recovery. This is due probably not only to the effects mentioned in the previous study, but due to fewer markers of inflammation via an increase in blood flow, oxygen delivery, and regeneration of ATP, the energy substrate of the cell.(2)

Clearly, the discovery that acetyl-L-carnitine increases the androgen-receptor content of muscle is a huge deal.
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For sure. I use both: acetyl with the intent of capturing it's anabolic properties; and regular L- version to promote fat oxidization. I've had good results in the past..
 
Would you guys mind if I logged my cut through here? I don't want to make a big hoopla with opening a new log and anyone who's anyone in my opinion is already here. You guys are the most consistent posters, dedicated subscribers and dedicated, knowledgeable guys I've come to know, so I have no interest in grabbing quantity of people, but I like the quality of guys who are already here.

I may be a self proclaimed intellectual when it comes to muscle and exercise physiology, but you guys have me whooped when it comes to diet and proper cutting.

Just as a starter, I wanted to find my BMR so I can really keep track of caloric intake and be sure I maintain a deficit. I found two websites and I also did one by hand.

Website 1: BMR 2090.45
Website 2: BMR is 1945 calories per day. Your total energy requirements are 2723 calories per day. [took into consideration estimated acivity level.

Men: BMR = 66 + ( 6.23 x weight in pounds ) + ( 12.7 x height in inches ) - ( 6.8 x age in year )
66+ (6.23x215) + (12.7 x 70) – (6.8x30)
66+ (1339.45) + (899) – (204)
= 2100

Basically, 2000. I'm looking to cut 500 a week or 500 a day?

These two meals are an easy, daily, consitent thing, but I believe I need 4 more meals!

Breakfast: Peanuts: 290 kcals
23 [omega 3] fats
9 g carbs
4 g fiber
13 g protein

Maybe some oatmeal instead or both?

Lunch: All Spinach, Chicken Breast Salad. 175kcals
2.5g fats
11g carbs
19g protein

3rd Meal, I could probably keep it all protein.

4th Meal, I could probably keep it all protein.

How the heck do you guys maintain caloric deficit with 6 meals!?!?!

Before I dial in my diet, this is my cardio plan

AM fasted cardio
PM cardio/lift

Supp Plan. This is what I have coming in.

Main: Reduction + 12mg Yohimbine
Support: Reset-AD

Main: Lean Xtreme
Support: Relora, Rhodiola, Ashwagandha, Phosphatidylserine

Secondary: 7-Keto

Tertiary: Vitamin C, Multi, Fish Oil.

Justification:

I think in the past, my weight loss halts as a result of over-training and over-dieting. As Thomas well knows, once I get the cardio machine moving, I start off reasonable and I always end up obsessive, with triple cardio sessions and a lift and stupid stuff I can foresee occurring, but its in my bull headed nature to take anything I do to borderline, unhealthy extremes. My initial 4-6 weeks always seem successful, but after 10-15lbs, progress halts.

Rather then having a CNS stimulating "focused" supplement plan, but with the inspiration by Steveo, I'm trying the anti cortisol, over training buffering route, if for no other benefit, then the motivation of trying something new, with the motivating hopes and unknowns of, "how will this turn out?"

It's not my first cut, my most drastic cut was about 50lbs, from 225lbs down to 168lbs, but then I just looked skinny, not lean. My most aesthetically appealing cut was from 210 down to 195, but I dieted so hard that I ended up cracking and indulged myself in a bulk up to 230lbs (JW, AP, Pslin), wherein I cut back down to 211, but my goal was 200lbs. As a result of a lumbar injury, I could no longer cardio and although you can absolutely cut with diet alone, my cardio kept my psyche motivated to eat extra clean. It's been about a full year since I attempted a cut, but I've never taken this specific route before. I'm older and wiser, more experience and aware of my body and hopefully, I won't become obsessive, as I have 100% of the time, historically, but this is what the Lean Xtreme, Relora, Rhodiola, Ashwagandha, Phosphatidylserine are for.

7-Keto as brought to my attention by IC for us old foggies who go to sleep with an ivy drop in our arms and a respirator. The 7-keto should also go nicely with some of the DHEA components in Lean Xtreme.

In a discussion about Retain 2 vs Lean Xtreme, outlined by Strategic

1) The difference lies in the subtle metabolic pathways the blends follow. Some compounds are directly or indirectly available in both blends.

2) Basically, Retain 2 contains Androstenetriol (androst-5-ene-3 beta, 7 beta, 17 beta-triol) - also known as beta AET -, Relora, and 7-Keto-DHEA.

3) Lean Xtreme contains 5-AT, also known as Androstenetriol (androst-5-ene-3 beta, 7 beta, 17 beta-triol), 7-OH (7-hydroxy-DHEA), Green Tea (EGCG), and Forskolin.

4) 7-hydroxy-DHEA (7-OH) can be metabolized into 7-alpha-hydroxy-DHEA and 7-beta-hydroxy-DHEA. These DHEA metabolites neither convert into estrogens nor androgens, but can interconvert between themselves and another DHEA metabolite, 7-oxo-DHEA.

5) Lean Xtreme contains 7-hydroxy-DHEA (7-OH) that can be metabolized into 7-alpha-hydroxy-DHEA/7-beta-hydroxy-DHEA/7-oxo-DHEA. Furthermore, the 7-beta-hydroxy-DHEA can be metabolized into 7-Keto-DHEA (contained in Retain 2).

6) On its own, Retain 2 contains 7-Keto-DHEA, a metabolite of 7-beta-hydroxy-DHEA, but not the full spectrum of DHEA metabolites as in Lean Xtreme.

7) Retain 2 contains Relora, a patented cortisol-management formula that can introduce more synergy into the Retain 2 blend.

8) Lean Xtreme contains Green Tea Extract and Forskolin, potent agents in cAMP-/norepinephrine modulation, lipolysis, nutrient partitioning, body composition, appetite modulation, thyroid/dopamine/testosterone enhancement, and so on.

In sum, both products have similarities, yet I would subjectively prefer Lean Xtreme for the additional DHEA metabolites and the additional cumulative impact of Green Tea and Forskolin. A subjective statement, no doubt.
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The Reduction is a once in the AM and once in the PM deal, so it won't be a CNS overstimulating experience. I'm still contemplating the Yohimbine HCL, perhaps only once or twice a day, pre-workout. I know Yohimbine has good fasted cardio effects.

The Reset-AD is just to boost what little stim Reduction may offer.

Until my order comes in, I'll be on Phenadrine + Yohimbine HCL.

I'm going to focus on cutting first, establish a strong diet discipline and establish a strong cardio discipline, then I may or may not add T-911. My only apprehension is that T-911 makes you hungry as a lumberjack after you take it. With my current appetite, T-911 + dieting would be a big :nono: Once my appetite has cut back and my mentality prevents me from eating anything I'd regret (carb wise), I'll consider the T-911.

Day 1: 215lbs (213 light days, 217 heavy days).

Phenadrine + 12mg Yohimbione HCL fasted AM cardio.

Damn, I haven't done static cardio in a year. I've done HIIT with my guys, but it's different. I went for a run this morning for 25min. It's nothing great, but I'll need to rebuild my cardiorespiratory and cardio endurance. No worries, last time I cut I started with 15 on the stairs and I was ready to pass out and I worked my way up to AM 60 min stairs, afternoon HIIT/Lift, PM 45 min stairs. It was a time when I could keep up with Thomas during his cardio obsessive cut days.

Diet will be on track today, and PM cardio/lift to come.
 
I can honestly say that my appetite sucked on T-911. It may have been a coincidence, but when I came off of it, it came right back.
 
I'm still deciding on my lifting scheme, whether to return to higher volume or bring out the HIT lifts.

I also have to take a look at Mullet's fasted workout plans, but I'm not sure I can add AP to my list, maybe I can....
 
VolcomX311 said:
I'm still deciding on my lifting scheme, whether to return to higher volume or bring out the HIT lifts.

I also have to take a look at Mullet's fasted workout plans, but I'm not sure I can add AP to my list, maybe I can....
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RETURN to higher volume? As in you haven't been doing high-volume? I wouldn't concentrate so much on the amount of sets as I would the time spent lifting...I'm trying to keep lifting at no more than 1hr-1hr15min when training fasted, yet I'm doing 32 sets on hypertrophy days, and 40 sets on hypertrophy/Olympic days.

This is cracking me up...I mentioned fasted training last week and the majority of people jumped on me for even considering it, and now everyone is moving to the fasted training! :rofl:
 
Irish Cannon said:
RETURN to higher volume? As in you haven't been doing high-volume? I wouldn't concentrate so much on the amount of sets as I would the time spent lifting...I'm trying to keep lifting at no more than 1hr-1hr15min when training fasted, yet I'm doing 32 sets on hypertrophy days, and 40 sets on hypertrophy/Olympic days.

This is cracking me up...I mentioned fasted training last week and the majority of people jumped on me for even considering it, and now everyone is moving to the fasted training! :rofl:
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I always have used fasted training of a sort I eat about 4 hours bedore my workout so I guess that's fasted. I just like an empty stomach I seem to perform better.
 
Irish Cannon said:
RETURN to higher volume? As in you haven't been doing high-volume? I wouldn't concentrate so much on the amount of sets as I would the time spent lifting...I'm trying to keep lifting at no more than 1hr-1hr15min when training fasted, yet I'm doing 32 sets on hypertrophy days, and 40 sets on hypertrophy/Olympic days.

This is cracking me up...I mentioned fasted training last week and the majority of people jumped on me for even considering it, and now everyone is moving to the fasted training! :rofl:
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My lifts average right under 60 min. I only go beyond 60 when I have a workout partner. I don't "aim" for 60min, its just the average length of my workouts.

I was doing fasted workouts during my last cut, but it was only because I normally OPENED with 45-60min cardio and I wanted the fat burning aspects of fasted cardio. On a couple of occasions I felt hypo and had to eat before I lifted, but apart from that, I was doing well.
 
Irish Cannon said:
I can honestly say that my appetite sucked on T-911. It may have been a coincidence, but when I came off of it, it came right back.
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Really? Odd ye be or odd I be? I've tried it for a few days and its the first time i'd heard my stomach gargle since I was a kid and couldn't feed myself.
 
For meal ideas; I think omelets work great. I make my monster daily lol. Some frozen fish fillets can be grilled/microwaved pretty quickly & conveniently. I also think bean salads can make a great meal; if you stick with dark kidney & black beans, some of them have 2:1:1 or Carbs,Fiber, Protein. Throw in some celery, red peppers and vinegars (and some bulk leucine on the side) and you've got a 5 star meal in terms of protein, anti-oxidant, vitamins etc.

While the anti-cortisol route might not have as rapid effects, I think this should help you preserve as much lean muscle mass as possible. Also I know Cissus has anti-glucocorticoid properties in addition to helping with joints which might be a useful addition; although we do have to be careful not to drop your cortisol too much. The standard is to go with 500 cals below maintenance per day, but as John Berardi has successfully shown, sometimes increasing your intake modestly and increasing the amount of physical activity leads to remarkable body recomp effects. He writes about this as "G-Flux". See Invalid Link Removed for his article.

Also I see those #'s that you've estimated as your daily caloric expenditure, and I feel they are a bit low. It is hugely variable between individuals, but being ~210, heavily muscled and with a moderately active job, I'd imagine you're expending around ~3500/day, and would want to try starting your cut at between 2500-3000.

Your question about how to maintain a deficit while eating 6 meals bring me to a question I've been pondering lately; why do we eat the 6 meals? An interesting article Invalid Link Removed points out how 6 meals don't actually speed up the metabolism; but I think a constant source of nutrients is a good idea. However I am going to be doing some more research into the Intermitter Fasting protocol; there might more to it.
 
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