VECTOR pre release leaks and info

I'll just put this here.
I’m skeptical of all supplements and very few things have worked on me and most are ****, like fd2.

To my better judgement I brought 2 Vector during the sale and I’m now 5-6 weeks in. I am happy I did because something is definitely going on!

I never changed my diet or workouts really, but it feels like my cardio is better so it feels like I have higher intensity during my runs and boxing sessions. I’m consisted with working out 5-6 days a week year around, but I have been traveling for work a lot lately so even though I’m working out I haven’t been able to lift heavy due to stupid hotel gyms barely have free weights at all so I can’t really comment on strength, but it feels like my recovery is better.

The big change I have got is in my body and that is big to me because like I said earlier im pretty consistent with working out&diet and stay around 220 year around. I’m getting comments about how fit I look, that I look leaner and bigger. My weight is probably about the same, maybe 1 or 2lb increase (I have been 222 the last couple of days) but my waist is smaller (I have to tie my belt tighter) and shirts is more tight around the arms.

I usually never do any reviews because I have never anything good to say but credit has to be given where credit is due!

Good job on Vector, I’ll be ordering a few more bottles in the next few days.
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Today was a great day even though I didn’t have time to hit the gym. Good mood, lots of energy and productivity at a long day at work. I am 5 weeks into my Vector run.
 
2 weeks of Vector.

I report everything that happened, good and bad, during these 14 days.

INTRODUCTION: together with Vector I started also Letrone and Invictus (therefore, and this I say, you can consider my feedback as liar, so take everything with pliers, or at least evaluate everything).
INTRODUCTION 2: my diet has not changed at all. Hypercaloric days on, normocaloric days off.

Versus:
-in the first and second day diarrhea. To date it seems that everything has passed, but in any case the feces are still soft.
- In the first days, if I remember correctly on the third day, I had about 1 hour of pain in both testicles.
- about two weeks, and it's not a case (or yes), I have a cold, a stuffy nose, and a slight headache.
-saturity in the mouth, especially in the evening while I'm in bed.

Pro:
-lieve strength increased in the gym, I can feel to push in the last repetitions
-must body re-composition, I see myself drier, but also more empty at the muscle level, all this at rest. When I am during training, I have a good vascularisation.


Energy, mood, libido, has not affected at all. all the same as always.

Note that I also take Follidrone2, forskolin, as (technical) products, as "base" products, multivitamins and loose minerals, vit. d3, zinc, nowfood multi, na-r-ala, creatine, beta alanine, celluvol.

I use the google translator, sorry for the errors!
 
bb333 said:
2 weeks of Vector.

I report everything that happened, good and bad, during these 14 days.

INTRODUCTION: together with Vector I started also Letrone and Invictus (therefore, and this I say, you can consider my feedback as liar, so take everything with pliers, or at least evaluate everything).
INTRODUCTION 2: my diet has not changed at all. Hypercaloric days on, normocaloric days off.

Versus:
-in the first and second day diarrhea. To date it seems that everything has passed, but in any case the feces are still soft.
- In the first days, if I remember correctly on the third day, I had about 1 hour of pain in both testicles.
- about two weeks, and it's not a case (or yes), I have a cold, a stuffy nose, and a slight headache.
-saturity in the mouth, especially in the evening while I'm in bed.

Pro:
-lieve strength increased in the gym, I can feel to push in the last repetitions
-must body re-composition, I see myself drier, but also more empty at the muscle level, all this at rest. When I am during training, I have a good vascularisation.


Energy, mood, libido, has not affected at all. all the same as always.

Note that I also take Follidrone2, forskolin, as (technical) products, as "base" products, multivitamins and loose minerals, vit. d3, zinc, nowfood multi, na-r-ala, creatine, beta alanine, celluvol.

I use the google translator, sorry for the errors!
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Great feedback but to be honest with you, when trying a new products, its best to run it solo.
Example,
Now you are running Creatine and superior form of Ala such as na r ala. Both will lead to better insulin sensitivity / GLUT4 upregulation and not to mention increased pumps and musclefullness from Celluvol which is excellent pump product and far from underdosed like most of pump products are nowadays.
Those supps will lead to more pumps,musclefullness, better uptake of carbs leading to better musclefullness,strength +++.
You also use Follidrone which has Epi which is also potent N.O booster ++++.

So my question is, How do you know Vector is doing what ?
 
Danes said:
Great feedback but to be honest with you, when trying a new products, its best to run it solo.
Example,
Now you are running Creatine and superior form of Ala such as na r ala. Both will lead to better insulin sensitivity / GLUT4 upregulation and not to mention increased pumps and musclefullness from Celluvol which is excellent pump product and far from underdosed like most of pump products are nowadays.
Those supps will lead to more pumps,musclefullness, better uptake of carbs leading to better musclefullness,strength +++.
You also use Follidrone which has Epi which is also potent N.O booster ++++.

So my question is, How do you know Vector is doing what ?
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It does not make your speech a turn, you're right and I respect it. ;)
But let me explain.
I have been taking non-stop creatine for about 5 years.
Na-r-ala for about 3 months.
Celluvol for about 2 months.

Now, I had all this time to evaluate both "products", but after 2 weeks of "Vector", after having added it in my arsenal, I could notice small but notable differences.

But I understand your reasoning ;)
 
bb333 said:
It does not make your speech a turn, you're right and I respect it. ;)
But let me explain.
I have been taking non-stop creatine for about 5 years.
Na-r-ala for about 3 months.
Celluvol for about 2 months.

Now, I had all this time to evaluate both "products", but after 2 weeks of "Vector", after having added it in my arsenal, I could notice small but notable differences.

But I understand your reasoning ;)
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Fair enough :)
 
bigsmall said:
5 weeks complete for me (50 year old male with over 30 years lifting and supplement experience)
- hunger was instatiable and is now more manageable
- no gas
- larger strength increase
- Alpha feeling
- And got to watch the hypo! Miss a meal and it wrecks my day lol...
(I am dosing one cap most of the time to avoid hypo cause I am not bulking)
- 4 lb increase (and I am really really trying not to gain weight / I am an easy gainer).
- Definitely lean mass gain - I look and feel leaner.
- Pump is crazy (I have stopped taking any pump products pre-workout cause its literally too much pump)
- Feeling better mentally overall.
- DOMS city though, but that's cause I am killing it. Able to really contract muscles hard (like nothing natural I have ever used)
- Better than 25mg Osta and in line with Andros / mild AAS effects (but with nothing but positive side effects (ie. Feeling of well being).
- Got 3 cans to go and will order more.
- Most outstanding and ground breaking product ever as far as I am concerned.
-Prior to Vector, I was running Folidrone for the better part of two years as well as TD Laxo. Still running Folidrone (Laxo is done).
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Thanks for the great feedback!
 
ELROCK said:
Today was a great day even though I didn’t have time to hit the gym. Good mood, lots of energy and productivity at a long day at work. I am 5 weeks into my Vector run.
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Well respected member with honest feedback! Thanks brother!
 
I have played around with dosages, with food/without food, etc. it did not matter for me. But would be too short anyways to see a big difference.

Anyhow, I ordered another two bottles to continue my run of Vector (now in week 6). I was skeptical in the beginning and I still find hard to believe some claims here, but my weight also went up, waist stayed the same and more importantly, at least for me, I considerably increased my lifts in the 1-3 rep range.
 
mbonheur said:
I have played around with dosages, with food/without food, etc. it did not matter for me. But would be too short anyways to see a big difference.

Anyhow, I ordered another two bottles to continue my run of Vector (now in week 6). I was skeptical in the beginning and I still find hard to believe some claims here, but my weight also went up, waist stayed the same and more importantly, at least for me, I considerably increased my lifts in the 1-3 rep range.
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Seems like the skepticism is now becoming a believer?
 
kisaj said:
The labs don't indicate, but it is well outside of physiological range as I inject 150mg 2x weekly and the labs I've taken in the past were on day of injection to find my blast trough and it consistently comes back >1500 (328-1320 ref). Normal cruise is 120 weekly.
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So outside the cutoff?
I like 150 every third day. Seems like a sweet spot. Nice out of range spike and then a drop into high normal.
A little horsepower.
No sides.
 
christ83189 said:
I have been seeking help for years bro. Ive been dealing with it. Still don't understand why i get set off or why i have such a hard time with it but im sober and have been for a while. So dont worry about me. Ive got plenty of wise people giving me advice and talking with me on a regular basis and have committed myself to healthy living and Being a father and husband. So way ahead of you bro. I didnt lose control i was just speaking my mind cause i hate addiction. You cant fault me for that
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I dont fault you at all bro. Just looking out for you ;)
Im with you on the hatred of addiction. Ugly stuff.
 
bigsmall said:
Way to harsh a response for what the guy said.
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If it came off harsh it wasnt meant to be. At all.
It sucks to have words on a page or in a conversation stimulate a person negatively and potentially cause harm to them.
And again it wasnt meant to offend or attack him in any way. Intended to be supportive.
I genuinely care about you guys and dont like to see people suffering. The most I can do is offer sound advice. He has stated that he has a strong support system in place and I hope this is sufficient for him.
 
christ83189 said:
Its cool that some people like it and can do it moderately and enjoy it. Awesome. All im saying is that stuff like this is popping up alot and this sh1t ruins peoples lives. Obviously i know nothing about what is in brundels pwo and cant say it about that. Im talking about opiates and opiate like substances popping up and some of the ones fully legal and readily available to anyone that wants em.
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I also hope you understand I meant nothing negative.
Its hard to convey things in a forum post sometimes.
My reply came 100% from a place of concern for you bro. Thats it. Just want you to be well man ;)
 
horizons said:
So claims to have 0 effects on hormones or estrogen

Then someone gets 100% increase of test and heaps of people getting hormone effects

This is why I don’t really trust supplements anymore
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1. Nobody ever said Vector has no effects on hormones. This is false. Follidrone doesnt. Vector almost certainly does. This isnt how it works though.
Just to be clear because your making a statement and taking a stance based upon false pretense.

2. So far we havnt seen any labs with estrogen that was out of control. The labs we just posted had high (in range) estrogen but his test level was 993 so this is to be expected. Im surprised it wasnt higher. ANYTHING that raises test will, generally speaking, raise estrogen as well.
This is because estrogen, in males, is primarily made via enzymatic conversion. The familiar aromatase enzyme.
=
Testosterone> Aromatase= estrogen.
This is why we take aromatase inhibitors. To block this conversion and as such increase testosterone and reduce estrogen.
This isnt the only labs Ive seen. Just the one with a crazy boost in test. Ive seen a couple others and no real abnormal effects on estrogen.
Abnormal meaning it acting like a phytoestrogen and or raising estrogen while suppressing testosterone.
A rise in estro concurrent to a rise in testosterone is just how the male human body works. This isnt an effect of Vector.
 
brundel said:
If it came off harsh it wasnt meant to be. At all.
It sucks to have words on a page or in a conversation stimulate a person negatively and potentially cause harm to them.
And again it wasnt meant to offend or attack him in any way. Intended to be supportive.
I genuinely care about you guys and dont like to see people suffering. The most I can do is offer sound advice. He has stated that he has a strong support system in place and I hope this is sufficient for him.
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ty brundel and I did see the further posts. Your a good man - and I respect you even more now - knowing a bit more about what made and makes you who you are. Keep up the good work in and out of BLR.
 
mbonheur said:
I have played around with dosages, with food/without food, etc. it did not matter for me. But would be too short anyways to see a big difference.

Anyhow, I ordered another two bottles to continue my run of Vector (now in week 6). I was skeptical in the beginning and I still find hard to believe some claims here, but my weight also went up, waist stayed the same and more importantly, at least for me, I considerably increased my lifts in the 1-3 rep range.
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Its true some guys are really seeing some hard to believe effects. Like the guy yesterday who posted hes gained 12lbs with lowered bodyfat. Meaning hes gained more than 12lbs overall. VERY impressive. But Ive seen more than a few reports like this. Some of the guys I know personally and see every day and know its real.
Then Ive seen 30+ reports similar to yours.
4-6 weeks.
Weight up
Fat down
Strength and or endurance up.

Like anything drug, steroid, supplement, there is an effect range. Some guys see low end, some guys see mid, some guys are ultra responsive.
This is also why some guys can run a steroid cycle and gain 30lbs and some guys gain 6lbs on the same cycle. Genetic variations in response to the different ingredients.
Ultimately Im just glad most people are seeing some muscle growth, fat loss and performance.= win for me.
 
brundel said:
So outside the cutoff?
I like 150 every third day. Seems like a sweet spot. Nice out of range spike and then a drop into high normal.
A little horsepower.
No sides.
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Yeah, apparently. I have never found a lab that showed the number above the cutoff. I would be interested to see the actual number, but when it is still outside of range 3.5 days in, I imagine I am well into the 2000s the first couple days.
 
bigsmall said:
ty brundel and I did see the further posts. Your a good man - and I respect you even more now - knowing a bit more about what made and makes you who you are. Keep up the good work in and out of BLR.
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Thanks man.
I def dont want anyone thinking I was trying to be harsh to him.
100% not meant that way. Just want to help.
 
kisaj said:
Yeah, apparently. I have never found a lab that showed the number above the cutoff. I would be interested to see the actual number, but when it is still outside of range 3.5 days in, I imagine I am well into the 2000s the first couple days.
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I heard Dallas Mccarver had a test level of 55000!
Ive never seen a test that showed over 1400. Can you imagine......He did die shortly thereafter.
 
bigsmall said:
ty brundel and I did see the further posts. Your a good man - and I respect you even more now - knowing a bit more about what made and makes you who you are. Keep up the good work in and out of BLR.
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Real talk right here! brundel only releases products that work! Yes, there will be non responders as that’s how every supplement is. However, for those that do respond well, the gains are impressive!
 
Ok ... yes, it's still me! ^ _ ^
it seems right to inform you ... I made a decision, put aside Letrone and Invictus (already taken for 2 weeks), so I run these last 2 weeks of only Vector and Follidrone2 (with Follidrone2 are in the fourth jar).
All right? so we can give even more sincere feedback.
 
bb333 said:
Ok ... yes, it's still me! ^ _ ^
it seems right to inform you ... I made a decision, put aside Letrone and Invictus (already taken for 2 weeks), so I run these last 2 weeks of only Vector and Follidrone2 (with Follidrone2 are in the fourth jar).
All right? so we can give even more sincere feedback.
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I don't think danes goal was to guilt you into dropping your stack.. just pointing out something obvious, which you cleared up in your rebuttal. no need to change your protocol unless you think it might help tighten your stool~
 
mbonheur said:
I have played around with dosages, with food/without food, etc. it did not matter for me. But would be too short anyways to see a big difference.

Anyhow, I ordered another two bottles to continue my run of Vector (now in week 6). I was skeptical in the beginning and I still find hard to believe some claims here, but my weight also went up, waist stayed the same and more importantly, at least for me, I considerably increased my lifts in the 1-3 rep range.
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How much strength in the 1-3 rep range are we talking here? And what's your training age/start point (ex: just started lifting, months, years)? This would pretty much be the only thing that could get me to buy it. I need data on strength gains in powerlifting rep ranges (1-3 best, <6 good).
 
I can give you my increase in power output on Vector has shaved a minute off my commute to work on my bike on average over an 8 mile ride. I think mapmyride wiped my data for some reason. I'll try to dig up the maps and times if I can.
 
An 8 mile bike ride isn't necessary what I'm looking for as in my opinion this falls more under the realm of endurance training. If you had data on peak/maximum peddling power or something along those lines it'd be a bit more applicable to a 1-5 rep maximum. I honestly appreciate you trying to give me some data though.

What I'm really jonesing for is this preworkout brundel keeps alluding to that is specifically designed for performance.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
I don't think danes goal was to guilt you into dropping your stack.. just pointing out something obvious, which you cleared up in your rebuttal. no need to change your protocol unless you think it might help tighten your stool~
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I certainly know, and I agree with him! I am the first to admit it!
I do not like it either, when I read many people here who "test" the new products, and at the same time they take prohormones and company ... ridiculous (sorry).
 
bb333 said:
I certainly know, and I agree with him! I am the first to admit it!
I do not like it either, when I read many people here who "test" the new products, and at the same time they take prohormones and company ... ridiculous (sorry).
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Glad to hear that you know what I mean :)
 
jswain34 said:
How much strength in the 1-3 rep range are we talking here? And what's your training age/start point (ex: just started lifting, months, years)? This would pretty much be the only thing that could get me to buy it. I need data on strength gains in powerlifting rep ranges (1-3 best, <6 good).
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I am 33, don't drink alcohol, don't smoke and train for 10+ years. I used to do powerlifting events in my early 20s. Now it is more about having functional strength, being lean and still able to push heavy by my standards. So I am doing some sort of calisthenics and powerlifting these days.

Anyways I am currently doing a modified Russian program for the 3 lifts and calisthenics as accessory work.

I pushed about 3x3 sets at 130kg in the beginning of the program and start of Vector (competition style lift, no touch and go, etc.), last Monday I could easily do 142,5 x 3.

But as an "ancient" powerlifter I do already know the technique and as I gained about 3-4kg, you have to take those results with a grain of salt.

Anyhow, I know my body well enough to know whether something makes a difference. Which is the case here, but don't expect a miracle product.
 
GIJane1928 said:
Are there any logs or posts from women using vector? Or is this not recommended?
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I would absolutely recommend it! I've just come from a thread I was about to comment on regarding women taking Ostarine or LGD and having hormonal issues. This product is natural and would stand toe-to-toe with such a cycle for women but none of those negative sides.
 
bigsmall said:
This lady has been logging Folidrone 2.0 and is just starting Vector per the last few comments of the log:
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Thanks my man, I was just going to post I neglected to mention Kelsey! Keep you eye on that log for sure.
Better yet... start your own. This is going to be an epic journey for so many people in a great way.

-M
 
jswain34 said:
How much strength in the 1-3 rep range are we talking here? And what's your training age/start point (ex: just started lifting, months, years)? This would pretty much be the only thing that could get me to buy it. I need data on strength gains in powerlifting rep ranges (1-3 best, <6 good).
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One of my friends Davon Brazil is a powerlifter. STRONG mutha fer.
Currently hes only running Vector and hes making some legit gains. No drugs/aas/other supps.
Check out the current 4 week progress pic. Notice the shoulders and chest. Also keep in mind this is an advanced athlete with decades of experience.
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jswain34 said:
An 8 mile bike ride isn't necessary what I'm looking for as in my opinion this falls more under the realm of endurance training. If you had data on peak/maximum peddling power or something along those lines it'd be a bit more applicable to a 1-5 rep maximum. I honestly appreciate you trying to give me some data though.

What I'm really jonesing for is this preworkout brundel keeps alluding to that is specifically designed for performance.
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Soon.
 
GIJane1928 said:
Are there any logs or posts from women using vector? Or is this not recommended?
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I know of a bunch of women taking Vector and loving it.
I dont know of any logs up except kelseys which is in this subforum. She just started the Vector yesterday or something though so no updates.
Will work great for women though.
 
I wanted to mention we started a group on facebook specifically for research, studies, new developments and testing progress.
So if you guys want to get in on the action join the group. Should get interesting.
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brundel said:
I wanted to mention we started a group on facebook specifically for research, studies, new developments and testing progress.
So if you guys want to get in on the action join the group. Should get interesting.
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Going to check this out when I get home from work
 
GravyVampire said:
Which one is which? Arms look bigger on the left; pecs look bigger on the right. Terrible quality as well. I don’t doubt that he may be stronger and feel bigger, but “legit gains” is a stretch based on those 2 photos.
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Seems very obvious to me - that the pic on the right is the gains pic. Arms and shoulders / front delts / chest look much bigger - triceps especially.
 
brundel said:
One of my friends Davon Brazil is a powerlifter. STRONG mutha fer.
Currently hes only running Vector and hes making some legit gains. No drugs/aas/other supps.
Check out the current 4 week progress pic. Notice the shoulders and chest. Also keep in mind this is an advanced athlete with decades of experience.
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Which is before and after? Left looks like arm day and right looks like chest day. Enjoying my Vector run, but not great pics here.
 
bigsmall said:
Seems very obvious to me - that the pic on the right is the gains pic. Arms and shoulders / front delts / chest look much bigger - triceps especially.
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You need your vision checked lol arms are clearly bigger on the left!
 
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