VECTOR pre release leaks and info

chedapalooza said:
So vector is officially the GOAT

Here’s my blood work from Tuesday. I had not gotten checked since January. Which shows total test was 554.

I’ve been on vector apx 2 weeks and you can see my T is now at 993. I’ve been absolutely killing my workouts and my bedroom game. And the mirror is speaking for itself with regards to muscle fullness and vascularity. Fcking GOAT. I knew I felt GREAT, but these results are something special.



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Jeez!!! If I had knew that I will have order this with my viron and Letrone stack coming my way!!!!
 
brundel said:
THis is way more than I had expected though. I was hinting that there might be some modest increase just because I wasnt certain and I didnt want to lie to people about efficacy. This proves my theory. I dont think Ive ever seen a test booster than can raise test levels 100% in someone with a normal test level. Even the best of them. Pretty amazing.
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I've taken all kinds of Test Boosters, at my age, over the years, but never anything that's done what Vector with FD2 has done in these last 6 weeks.
 
rowz4broz said:
that is crazy to me as i am dosing it in the morning with breakfast which is usually a bowl of cereal paired with a proteinshakel and my lunch is usually around 60-80gs carbs which is when i take second dose

will try this tomorrow though
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The only way I could handle Vector in the first 2 weeks was to dose 1 cap at a time. And I was eating and drinking like a horse and still had to dose 1 cap at a time and dose all caps 4 hours before bed. So 2-3 caps at a time made me feel hypo no matter how much glucose I had going. Their seems to be a break in period for the body and mind to get used to Vector. Now at 5 weeks, I can dose anyway I want - its no problem and my calories are much lower than they were (needed to be) in the first few weeks. Vector, for me, seemed to start to really utilize fat for fuel after about 2 weeks - before that - it wanted glucose.
 
bigsmall said:
The only way I could handle Vector in the first 2 weeks was to dose 1 cap at a time. And I was eating and drinking like a horse and still had to dose 1 cap at a time and dose all caps 4 hours before bed. So 2-3 caps at a time made me feel hypo no matter how much glucose I had going. Their seems to be a break in period for the body and mind to get used to Vector. Now at 5 weeks, I can dose anyway I want - its no problem and my calories are much lower than they were (needed to be) in the first few weeks. Vector, for me, seemed to start to really utilize fat for fuel after about 2 weeks - before that - it wanted glucose.
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Interesting ! Its cool that you figured that out. I would have probably dropped it, but I'm not very smart when it comes to all this stuff. That is the main reason I started using AM. a lot of knowledge on here.
 
Interesting how differently everyone's body reacts. I've been taking vector since the very beginning, id say I'm 2/3rds through 2 tubs. I haven't noticed any difference since the beginning, whether I take it with or without food. I have noticed very little difference in libido. No real difference in energy, until I get pre workout in me and I'm at the gym. Then it seems I have more endurance.
I have noticed a more positive mindset, negative things dont seem to affect the me near as much.
The only problem I have is I can't recover quick enough and joints ache. To some extent this isn't anything new, I'm almost 51 and the joints ache when loaded on repeatedly.
I have noticed if I go to long without eating I get feeling sick, that's vector, so I've went with it and turned this into a dirty bulk. I've put in size, weight and belly fat. Needless to say I'll be trying to lean out after this.
 
3 weeks in and i agree with most people have been reporting.

During the first two weeks i had unpleasant hypo symptoms like lightheaded and mild nausea. Nothing unusal for me (i spend a lot of time at the computer) but they were a little worse and specially a while after taking Vector, no matter what i ate. I wasn´t able to take the full dosage and was taking 3/4 pills per day in single dosage. This week i upped the dosage to 4/5 per day (sometimes two at time) and the hypo symptons are almost non existing.

Vivid dreams seems to decreased to. I still have them but not all nights. At least i don't remember them all mornings.

Hungry seems to diminished a little too but as soon as i upped the dosage it came again with all strength.

Libido is up.

Strength seems to be increasing. I didn't beat any PR yet because i usually don't workout with low reps anymore but i feel the usual weights feels lighter and i'm able to do more reps.

Mood... It shines! To bad it's only during and a while after working out. I feel really really good during workout and the next hours after. However in the next day i wake up in low mood again. I wish this feeling would stay 24/7.

Weight, i'm up about 2kg which is really good for me. I'm an hardgainer and it's really really hard to put any weight on.

Measures: BF% with calipers seems the same however belly circunference increased around 1-2cm. Arms didn't change, chest increased 2.5cm. It seems i'm putting a little fat but i'm impressed with the chest gains. I wasn't able to achieve that size never before.

I don't know if Vector is really contributing directly or not to all of this but one thing i'm sure, it really allows me to eat more which is half the battle.

Edit: Forgot to mention the endurance! I never had any endurance at all. Now i need much less time to rest between sets and cardio feels easier.
 
patrick25 said:
What's everything your taking at this moment.
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Health staples with no effect on test/e2

Viron

FD2.0

Ksm66

Those are the only things that would impact this blood work. And I was using all of them back in January anyway where that screen shot shows test at 554. So the only variable is the vector. I also use my stuff, Glycøshield and Lipøshield, and stims... none of which would affect these results.
 
you are on trt, arent you? no changes in your dose??

this is some HUGE hormonal impact


and it would be interesting to see what happens with test levels after 8 weeks or so and also after the cycle. we know some stuff like DAA that raises test first 2 weeks and then throws it back lower than it was before


all or most of the mentioned side effects are the same i got told from my friend after starting his test cycle

- vivid dreams/affected sleep
- increase in acne
- weight climbs up very fast (im sure that its mostly water and fat. obviously if people increase their calories 25% or 1000cal or something like that)
- strength increase

so these side effects would speak FOR a strong increase in test. but double it? seems VERY unlikely
 
iamyourfather said:
you are on trt, arent you? no changes in your dose??

this is some HUGE hormonal impact


and it would be interesting to see what happens with test levels after 8 weeks or so and also after the cycle. we know some stuff like DAA that raises test first 2 weeks and then throws it back lower than it was before
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Correct. Baseline for me on my TRT is that 500-600 range. It’s clomid 50mg EOD at bed, and Adex .5mg Monday and Thursday.

Been on that for two years and never had blood results / felt like this.
 
Guys, please let us be realistic.:)
As a Vector user I can say there is NOTHING in Vector that would increase T and not to mention double it. Even combining 2-3 proven T boosting ingredients even at mega doses, it would NEVER increase T levels super high (no matter how low T levels are).
 
Danes said:
Guys, please let us be realistic.:)
There is NOTHING in Vector that would increase T and not to mention double it.
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This is very real. I assure you all I am not on anything else supplement or prescription wise. After horrible experiences in my early 20s w gear, I’m absolutely terrified of ever using it again. So you’re entitled to your opinion but I wouldn’t go out of my way to post this **** for fun lol.
 
chedapalooza said:
This is very real. I assure you all I am not on anything else supplement or prescription wise. After horrible experiences in my early 20s w gear, I’m absolutely terrified of ever using it again. So you’re entitled to your opinion but I wouldn’t go out of my way to post this **** for fun lol.
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How old do you think I am ? :)
 
Danes said:
How old do you think I am ? :)
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I have no idea nor do I see the relevance? Unless I magically am cured after having low t for 8 years, I’m gonna have to stand my ground... I’m not trying to get in a keyboard battle with anyone bc frankly I don’t care or have the time. You’re entitled to your opinion. I know what I’m putting in my body and what my past results have been. If you don’t wanna believe it, really doesn’t matter to me dude.
 
chedapalooza said:
I have no idea nor do I see the relevance? Unless I magically am cured after having low t for 8 years, I’m gonna have to stand my ground... I’m not trying to get in a keyboard battle with anyone bc frankly I don’t care or have the time. You’re entitled to your opinion. I know what I’m putting in my body and what my past results have been. If you don’t wanna believe it, really doesn’t matter to me dude.
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I am not trying to get in a keyboard battle either.
You say Vector doubled your T and I say its impossible. :)
 
Danes said:
I am not trying to get in a keyboard battle either.
You say Vector doubled your T and I say its impossible. :)
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I didn’t say anything. I posted blood work and the only variable between the two labs is adding vector. I’m not over here publishing a paper stating that vector doubles testosterone.
 
chedapalooza said:
Correct. Baseline for me on my TRT is that 500-600 range. It’s clomid 50mg EOD at bed, and Adex .5mg Monday and Thursday.

Been on that for two years and never had blood results / felt like this.
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I want to understand this better because if you are on clomid, it is already blocking estrogen to the pituitary to allow stimulation and thus your LH and FSH levels to increase testosterone levels (in simple terms). If your LH levels are low to begin with, what is the ingredient in Vector that is increasing this?? it would reason that there is something in it stimulating the pituitary more.

Your scenario is different than someone that is not on TRT for a medical reason so I really don't understand how or why this would happen. That is a huge increase.
 
kisaj said:
I want to understand this better because if you are on clomid, it is already blocking estrogen to the pituitary to allow stimulation and thus your LH and FSH levels to increase testosterone levels (in simple terms). If your LH levels are low to begin with, what is the ingredient in Vector that is increasing this?? it would reason that there is something in it stimulating the pituitary more.

Your scenario is different than someone that is not on TRT for a medical reason so I really don't understand how or why this would happen. That is a huge increase.
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Maybe this will help:
My LH and FSH were both at perfectly healthy levels yet I still had low T. I was down at ~97 at one point before beginning treatment. So the low T was basically idiopathic. There wasn’t any real answer to it. I did use test patches/cream for about 6 months but didn’t like it and it only raised my levels to about 500. Then I went to a new DR and we did a restart. Then after about two years of cycling clomid, we added in Adex and just kept a smaller more consistent dosage. I’ve not had LH/FSH checked in quite some time. But it was always within normal range.
 
Ok, so you are primary. Which means the clomid isn't really doing anything, it is the Adex that is working by blocking the e2.

So, that makes your increase even more odd. Hmm, well, stoked you have the results you do!
 
kisaj said:
Ok, so you are primary. Which means the clomid isn't really doing anything, it is the Adex that is working by blocking the e2.

So, that makes your increase even more odd. Hmm, well, stoked you have the results you do!
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Interesting point. Despite dealing w this for years I am admittedly a bit ignorant to the mechanisms.
 
kisaj said:
Ok, so you are primary. Which means the clomid isn't really doing anything, it is the Adex that is working by blocking the e2.

So, that makes your increase even more odd. Hmm, well, stoked you have the results you do!
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It is interesting. I know, having talked to him about this for the last couple of years that nearly nothing will get his test level to rise.
What I dont know is what in Vector is causing the rise.
I do know for a fact that this is a legit lab result as I trust the integrity of the subject. What I dont know again is how, why, or if this is repeatable in the majority of users. For now Im gonna state what I said before which is I believe Vector will raise test levels, its not suppressive and is anabolic.
I would still not classify it as a test booster.


Its also an epic test level boost beyond anything Ive ever seen in any test booster. So...worth sharing.
 
GravyVampire said:
I know you say those are “staples”, but those staples aren’t quite fish oil and creatine. Those supplements coupled with the fact that you’re on TRT can very well impact your test levels. Vector may be the only thing you feel is effecting it, and that’s awesome that you’ve found what works for you. You just don’t make the best guinea pig or test subject for the average joes out there that aren’t on 6 supplements and hormonal treatments. For that reason, I don’t think we can use your data for anyone outside of you... or those who are on a very similar supplement regimen with similar stats.
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im on the fence.. there are a lot of people who use multiple supplements everyday as part of a stack ect...

likewise, there are a lot of us on TRT who use multiple supplements...
 
chedapalooza said:
I didn’t say anything. I posted blood work and the only variable between the two labs is adding vector. I’m not over here publishing a paper stating that vector doubles testosterone.
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Thanks for not only posting your bloodwork but fully explaining how you came to this awesome point. The human body can do some amazing things and everyone is different but to see that there was a natural product that gave you results of this magnitude, there’s hope for many folks still. If someone else can get an increase of even half then isn’t it worth the chance? I’m glad that you took it upon yourself to post your results and I hope the members of this forum can give a little more support rather than criticism. Maybe then this community will begin to grow again and not keep dwindling.

Hope to see some more folks results soon!
 
TheMovement said:
Hope to see some more folks results soon!
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as with anything [including AAS], everyone reacts differently to everything. some people are hyper responders and some will be non responders. you have to admit the overall tone of peoples experience with Vector has been overwhelmingly positive.. its very rare that any product in sports nutrition gets this many positive reviews, in particular, this early on. Some of the best stuff out there takes awhile to catch on, but every now and then someone hits it out of the park.. this looks to be shaping up to be one of those moments. I have been using supplement since 94' when the options were extremely limited. I always figured that someday someone would find/stumble onto something like this.. I am truly excited to test this stuff out in a PCT atmosphere, as well as cutting phases. I have tried everything and have actually seen the best and worst of the supplement industry over the years. Black Lion reminds me a lot of the early VPX and the innovation they brought to the industry, that even still today, insiders are riding their coat tails, even regurgitating old news for modern sales.
 
Danes said:
Guys, please let us be realistic.:)
As a Vector user I can say there is NOTHING in Vector that would increase T and not to mention double it. Even combining 2-3 proven T boosting ingredients even at mega doses, it would NEVER increase T levels super high (no matter how low T levels are).
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Spot on, enjoying my Vector but calling BS on those bloods. Estrogen was high too. Looks exactly like my bloods after 4 weeks of Clomid. The fact that TRT is being used eliminates any evidence of the vector helping improve test.
 
If he wasn’t on TRT and an AI I would say this is amazing. But he is so no one can say with confidence that the vector did a single thing to increase his test. Someone asked ched in another post if he was on any other supplements or drugs and his reply was “nope.” Ummm..is an AI and TRT not considered a ****ing drug? Really?! Why on earth did he say “no” to that simple question. A little lie like that makes me question the credibility of the bloods. If someone asks you if you’re on anything else why would you say no? Seriously looking for a logical answer to that.
 
chedapalooza said:
So vector is officially the GOAT

Here’s my blood work from Tuesday. I had not gotten checked since January. Which shows total test was 554.

I’ve been on vector apx 2 weeks and you can see my T is now at 993. I’ve been absolutely killing my workouts and my bedroom game. And the mirror is speaking for itself with regards to muscle fullness and vascularity. Fcking GOAT. I knew I felt GREAT, but these results are something special.



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Nice results man, thanks for blood work.. how do you take your vector, pre workout, dosage your on?
 
BlockBuilder said:
If he wasn’t on TRT and an AI I would say this is amazing. But he is so no one can say with confidence that the vector did a single thing to increase his test. Someone asked ched in another post if he was on any other supplements or drugs and his reply was “nope.” Ummm..is an AI and TRT not considered a ****ing drug? Really?! Why on earth did he say “no” to that simple question. A little lie like that makes me question the credibility of the bloods. If someone asks you if you’re on anything else why would you say no? Seriously looking for a logical answer to that.
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I was so ready to buy vector after he posted his bloods. You just saved me 50 bucks.
 
jameschoi said:
I was so ready to buy vector after he posted his bloods. You just saved me 50 bucks.
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I’m not saying vector isn’t a good product. I have purchased a few bottles myself. I just don’t think it’s reasonable to think his higher test levels have anything to do with vector if he’s on an AI and TRT
 
BlockBuilder said:
I’m not saying vector isn’t a good product. I have purchased a few bottles myself. I just don’t think it’s reasonable to think his higher test levels have anything to do with vector if he’s on an AI and TRT
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This. No one is bashing the product but its all about been realistic.
Even increase from 500 to 600 wouldnt be due to Vector while on TRT.
But same way, If someone said their strength decreased after 2 weeks on Vector I would say its not due to Vector but other factors
 
BlockBuilder said:
If he wasn’t on TRT and an AI I would say this is amazing. But he is so no one can say with confidence that the vector did a single thing to increase his test. Someone asked ched in another post if he was on any other supplements or drugs and his reply was “nope.” Ummm..is an AI and TRT not considered a ****ing drug? Really?! Why on earth did he say “no” to that simple question. A little lie like that makes me question the credibility of the bloods. If someone asks you if you’re on anything else why would you say no? Seriously looking for a logical answer to that.
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Ahhh I didnt realise he was on TRT, got excited before, now thinking mehhhh.. i did bloods for test boosters and didnt get such high raise, so doubt vector will boost test levels much..
 
I'm on TRT and dialed in pretty good with my protocol, and have been off of all supplementation for over a year as I've not been in the gym due to injury, so I'm not expecting my T to change, but I'll get my bloods as per every 4 months and check for anything unusual.

Supports that I have consistency taken with my TRT:
  • CoQ10
  • Krill Oil
  • Fiber (Old Guy)
  • Testosterone Cypionate 100mg / week SubQ
  • AI (.625mg E4D)
  • No HCG (My balls are just fine thanks, et al)
My Stack
  • Vector
  • Follidrone 2.0
  • Viron (might add)
My expectations
I'll get bloods next in 3 months, then again in another 3-4 months
If my T has a delta in an upward direction of 20-300 points I'd be surprised,
and I'm not considering the possibility.

I am experiencing the following with Vector.
  • Improved Sleep
  • Faster Recovery (+ No DOMS)
  • Vivid Multiple Dreams
  • Better Mood, and some positive Aggression
  • More Power Output (*I cut a minute off of my commute to work. I ride my bike)
  • Pump and Fullness
  • I'm dropping weight, Fat (On a cut but it's a recomp, and the GDA effect is real)
  • Strength is way up.
  • Muscularity in my quads! Outer quad pop is unreal for me.

An important note and observation
Does this mean the bloods posted are inaccurate and the conclusion drawn wrong?
I don't think so, and it doesn't matter.

The expectation set from the beginning by brundel was there were a few changes in some
but mostly none, and it isn't expected to do this. It's an anomaly as shown.

We have a competition thread with numerous positive stories of how this supplement is effecting each person in such a positive way, it cannot be disputed as the most potent natural anabolic to date. So, anyone stating they are no longer going to be purchasing it because of one person's bloods and questions raised by some people here, it's your loss and someone else's gains. This leads me to the next and final statement.

Time will tell how a product's legend is written... such as Follidrone 2.0, the first and still most effective -(-epi) plus product out. Viron; Letrone; Rebirth. We at BLR have a proven line of products that still have survived the test of time.

Life is about trust and in an industry with so many fake and hyped products it is difficult to come by more and more. BLR has been and will continue to be a company that earns your trust.

Based on other's additional experiences and our track record of innovation, Vector will eclipse them.
Our other competitors as per usual, will follow our innovation as best they can.
 
Take a good look at this picture.
I’m not saying this could be you but.. as long as you practice safe supplementing, it won't be.

Take the recommended dose only. No more.


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justhere4comm said:
I'm only on Vector and my Ghrelin response is pretty big.
It feels like a certain growth hormone secretagogue.
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For "ghrelin hormone", I mean that strong fame that comes before meals, that rumbling in the stomach, that desire to eat.
In the morning I wake up so hungry, and a dinner I arrive with a great desire to eat, too hungry.
 
bb333 said:
For "ghrelin hormone", I mean that strong fame that comes before meals, that rumbling in the stomach, that desire to eat.
In the morning I wake up so hungry, and a dinner I arrive with a great desire to eat, too hungry.
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If I remember right, you are cutting ? :)
 
If I was cutting I would have a time on Vector but my discipline at 28yrs old means I will eat pizza and any given time lol.
 
Danes is one of a very few people I would trust on AM to provide an honest review.
 
unitas27 said:
Danes is one of a very few people I would trust on AM to provide an honest review.
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Why are other people stupid?
See that nobody gives me anything! I spend my good money ... and it's a lot of money, because these products are not cheap!
 
bb333 said:
Why are other people stupid?
See that nobody gives me anything! I spend my good money ... and it's a lot of money, because these products are not cheap!
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i would trust you bro.
we are both from the EU, we know how hard it is to get new products, most of the time they cost a fortune.
so..
 
bb333 said:
Why are other people stupid?
See that nobody gives me anything! I spend my good money ... and it's a lot of money, because these products are not cheap!
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I don't think it was meant to insult you or anyone as being stupid. It's that trust is a difficult prospect, and when communicating online with faceless people, it becomes more difficult. Danes has achieved a level of trust in his opinion that is shared by many others. Myself included.

Don't feel slighted.
You are also right, in feeling the way you do. It is a lot of money, and nobody believes you were given anything.
 
bb333 said:
Why are other people stupid?
See that nobody gives me anything! I spend my good money ... and it's a lot of money, because these products are not cheap!
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No one said other people are stupid or anything.
We people like honesty, details and been realistic :)
When using natural anabolics(supps in general)all details are important and being honest.
Here is just one example of many..
If I start bulking with a natural anabolic after cutting 4 months, ofcourse its normal to gain weight after even just 1 week. 10lbs even first week is not impossible due to glycogen retention +++. Is it fair to say the product is making those gains? I would say no. People would laugh if I said i didnt change diet etc. Even with AAS, you cant/ shouldnt expect any huge effects first weeks.
 
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