Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

[ax1]

As for the original topic: wanna know my theory? Osama isn't dead - he's in our custody being "intensively questioned" like all the other prisoners we've taken. A bunch of government croanies are having their way with the bastard trying to get information and a spiteful nut off until he dies from exasperation.

This is a fantastic point...Im going to put my belief on the side that he died years ago and elaborate on this for a second...

If Osama Bin Laden was the head guy, and he was un-armed, wouldnt the government take him alive and interrogate him? If "torture worked so well" that some claim led to his capture, shouldnt we be torturing Osama Bin Laden and getting information out of him about potential coming terrorists and terrorists attacks? Why would they "kill" they #1 witness, the leader, the most knowledgeable terrorist, the one directing the traffic and lose out of all the information that we would have gotten if we water boarded that so many claim to be so effective?

You can now say that if there is another terrorist attack, the government needs to take full accountability for it because we killed the guy who would have (by forceful interrogation) supplied us with the information to stop it and also catch those involved in the plot before it comes to fruition. If 500,000 die in the next terrorist attack the US government should be held responsible for all their deaths due to their irresponsibility of killing the #1 source of information.

Ill add...We killed him...yeah we went to war in 2 countries, invaded several others because of him. Now that he is "gone" why arent they bringing the troops home, we got what we wanted didnt we? Trillions of dollars, 5,000 troops dead, tens of thousands wounded because of 1 man...mission accomplished! Now where is the withdrawal? We marched right, its now as simple as marching right out!

 

[DaRooster]

The best or I should say the most efficient way to control public opinion is by the use of fear.
If OBL had been found to be held up in a compound. It would be far more advantageous to take him prisoner. Make the al qaeda lieutenants think that he had told the US government much.

Or at lest make them think that he possibley talked.
Hold OBL and make them sweet it out for months if not years. Show photos of OBL in shackles surrounded by armed guards and dogs.
But no.... lets go in and destroy the single best source of intell we could ever dream of getting our hands on in the WAR AGAINST TERROR !!! Yes !!! lets just go in and kill him and not worry about the wealth of information we could very easily extract from him.

The problem is, the government or what ever you want to label the ones running things is ...is they think the common man is just gullible and naive. and, as we have seen by many posts in this thread.. for many people here, it appears to be the case..

 

[thebigt]

also don't forget that the vietnam war was also started on a false pretense. there is no limit to what the government is capable of it it suits the needs of the real powers in this country-corporate america!!!

 

[ax1]

CBS Demonizes Constitutionalists

Kurt Nimmo
May 16, 2011

In a 60 Minutes hit piece, constitutionalists who believe the federal government has grabbed too much power and has become tyrannical are lumped in with Jerry Kane and his 16-year-old son Joseph. Kane and his son, who claimed to be aligned with the sovereign citizen movement, gunned down two Arkansas cops during a traffic stop and were killed by police 90 minutes later.

The CBS video attempts to connect constitutionalists and members of the sovereign citizen movement to Terry Nichols, the Oklahoma City bombing, and supposedly racist militias. It uniformly portrays those who argue the government has violated its constitutional mandate as violent, insane, and possibly racist. It insinuates that if you have a problem with income taxes or are an advocate of states rights under the Tenth Amendment, you are an extremist and domestic terrorist.

Sovereign Citizen Movement - CBS Hit Piece

 

[ax1]

Time to beef this thread up and expose the people in the White House with their own writings and works.

Important information on Obama's white house science adviser John P. Holdren and his agenda for a "planetary regime." How Obama appoints an adviser to the white house advisory team who is in line with a pro-genocide movement and Hitler's views is a question we all need to ask.

John Holdren-advisor to President Barack Obama for Science and Technology, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, and Co-Chair of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology
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Quote from John P. Holdren's book "Ecoscience"
"To provide a high quality of life for all there must be fewer people." - Ecoscience John P. Holdren

Ill just note, his ideal population would be 1 Billion.

In regards to the book:
"This is a cookbook for the extermination of humanity!" - Webster Tarpley

Book link to Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment [Paperback]:
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White House Science Adviser's Agenda:
Licenses for birth
Chemicals in water and food supply to control population
Compulsory abortion
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NWO and a single 1 world government

quote for posted video below:
"This is the trailer for the upcoming prisonplanet.tv exclusive interview with Dr. Webster Tarpley. In this interview, Dr. Tarpley reviews the writings of John P. Holdren, the current Whitehouse science advisor. This interview conclusively exposes scientific elite's true agenda, world-wide genocide and the formation of a global government to rule."

Webster Tarpley & Elite's Plan for Global Extermination Trailer

 

[OrganicShadow]

One more reason to stay I'm happy I didn't vote for him.
Infanticide... didn't look it up, just based on word break down I dont think I need to.
1 world government? Someone took the works of Aldous Huxley way too far.

 

[nattydisaster]

Cliffs?

 

[ax1]

Cliffs?

For Ecoscience? I purchased it on PDF actually, I started reading it. It can be found online for much cheaper than $100.

here is more info on it

quote:
In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science
policy in the United States under POTUS Obama, topics include:

+ Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or
not;

+ The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally
put into the nation's drinking water or in food;

+ Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them
against their will and given away to other couples to raise;

+ People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be
required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words,
be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.

+ A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy
and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed
international police force.

 

[ax1]

Check this out...has quotes with page #'s on it with page scans from the book

"John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet
Book he authored in 1977 advocates for extreme totalitarian measures to control the population"
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[EasyEJL]

+ Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or
not;

+ The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally
put into the nation's drinking water or in food;

+ Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them
against their will and given away to other couples to raise;

+ People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be
required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words,
be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized

Honestly, I can't help but agree with those. I don't see that other people's reproductive rights trump my right to keep my income.

 

[anabolicRyan1]

If People have all the babies they like. Than they loose the Right to bitch when they can't provide for them.

If than statement.

 

[ax1]

Honestly, I can't help but agree with those. I don't see that other people's reproductive rights trump my right to keep my income.

It did not say they are selectively targeting poor people...Historically...based on what I know they would prioritize families with intellectual backgrounds and thinkers. Then comes most of the closest government supporters who helped put these people in power (Stalin USSR slaughtering thousands of his own supporters)

The government is promoting welfare...they create a society of government dependence and non-thinkers (department of education is designed this way in regards to non-thinkers) Welfare doesnt have to be law. I dont believe in socialism and communism... in order to give someone something you have to take it from everybody else. Thats not right. That should be all voluntary.

At the end of the day I believe everybody has a right to their own liberties and freedom....government manipulating in peoples lives and business always leads to the suffering of people as a whole. As we can already see we are all suffering as a whole by a criminal government stealing our money and giving it to the poor by force. Actually I think government steals more money for themselves than they do for the poor.

I do not see why you would specifically agree to sterilization practices which would effect you too (food and public water supply). In addition side effects and illnesses we all may be prone to from the additive chemicals. Maybe you didnt agree with everything posted?

The elite are only out to protect their own oligarchy...everybody else to them is just a serf, including me and you (unless your one of them and I dunno about it, lol). At the end of the day even if population was down to 500 million the way the system functions with current laws there still be a big if not bigger % of poor people on welfare.

If People have all the babies they like. Than they loose the Right to bitch when they can't provide for them.

If than statement.

People have a right to bitch and say whatever they want...taking money from people who work hard for their money is wrong. Again..government supplying the poor money and getting people dependent on welfare and public jobs so they solidify their power. Thats certainly not freedom its communism.

 

[EasyEJL]

It did not say they are selectively targeting poor people...

The government is promoting welfare...they create a society of government dependence. Welfare doesnt have to be law. I dont believe in socialism and communism... in order to give someone something you have to take it from everybody else. Thats not right. That should be all voluntary.

At the end of the day I believe everybody has a right to their own liberties and freedom....government manipulating in peoples lives and business always leads to the suffering of people as a whole. As we can already see we are all suffering as a whole by a criminal government stealing our money and giving it to the poor by force. Actually I think government steals more money for themselves than they do for the poor.

I do not see why you would specifically agree to sterilization practices which would effect you too (food and public water supply). In addition side effects and illnesses we all may be prone to from the additive chemicals. Maybe you didnt agree with everything posted?

The elite are only out to protect their own oligarchy...everybody else to them is just a serf, including me and you (unless your one of them and I dunno about it, lol). At the end of the day even if population was down to 500 million the way the system functions with current laws there still be a big if not bigger % of poor people on welfare.



People have a right to bitch and say whatever they want...taking money from people who work hard for their money is wrong. Again..government supplying the poor money and getting people dependent on welfare and public jobs so they solidify their power. Thats certainly not freedom its communism.

Well, my reason for agreeing with it is that we currently do have the welfare state. And forced sterilizations pretty well will end that. I'm not concerned about myslef being sterilized as I've already had all the children I want.

 

[ax1]

Well, my reason for agreeing with it is that we currently do have the welfare state. And forced sterilizations pretty well will end that. I'm not concerned about myslef being sterilized as I've already had all the children I want.

How will it end it? Lets take China for example...1.3 billion people, and John Holdren wants 1 billion anyways. Lets pretend China is the world.

They have been doing forced abortions and sterilizations for many years and the result now is a select few on top....about 10% being middle class and the rest dirt poor and dependent on government aid.

I just dont see how it can possible end welfare...what ends welfare is simply cutting the program off.

 

[ax1]

Well, my reason for agreeing with it is that we currently do have the welfare state. And forced sterilizations pretty well will end that. I'm not concerned about myslef being sterilized as I've already had all the children I want.

You should look into how they run forced abortions in China. They go around with a mobile unit, pick women up off the street and they cut their tubes right there in the mobile unit and throw them back on the street. No anesthetics and they give you a Tylenol.

This is the future our kids face...what if that happened to my daughter (well I have no kids, but in case I have one), you have to understand the psychological catastrophe this can have on women...and if this happened to one of your kids you might be a little pissed seeing them go through such a damaging struggle. What if your old and you want to see your kids have your grandchildren and they cant because of the water supply making them all sterile? Or you get old and have cancer which was caused by these chemicals?

 

[EasyEJL]

In the end though, the population growth is the most in the least intelligent and responsible among us. The birth rate for women on welfare is 3x that of women not, and the birthrate for women with less than a high school diploma is 4x that of women with a masters degree or higher. Forced abortions + steriility would only improve the human race as far as it exists in the US currently.

 

[ax1]

In the end though, the population growth is the most in the least intelligent and responsible among us. The birth rate for women on welfare is 3x that of women not, and the birthrate for women with less than a high school diploma is 4x that of women with a masters degree or higher. Forced abortions + steriility would only improve the human race as far as it exists in the US currently.

This wouldnt necessarily make your own kids exempt..you are aware of this right? Are you honestly ok with your kids being sterilized?

Not trying to get personal please dont get upset, thats not my intent and I understand some of these concerns your bringing up.

Im trying to portray that this can affect you directly with your own current family besides that these chemicals they use can give you cancer, Alzheimer disease and other illnesses.

 

[EasyEJL]

This wouldnt necessarily make your own kids exempt..you are aware of this right? Are you honestly ok with your kids being sterilized?

Not trying to get personal please dont get upset, thats not my intent and I understand some of these concerns your bringing up.

Im trying to portray that this can affect you directly with your own current family besides that these chemicals they use can give you cancer, Alzheimer disease and other illnesses.

Well, momentarily take an evolutionary view, a true darwinistic view. Whats most important is survival of the species, not an individual or tribe. We are quite literally headed towards the sort of scenario described in Idiocracy. Without some intervention, that will happen. I feel that as it is even done in China and other similar countries, it is the lower end of the class/income spectrum that has the vans pick them up, and gets their water treated with sterilizers, and that the educated and successful are far less affected.

 

[ax1]

Well, momentarily take an evolutionary view, a true darwinistic view. Whats most important is survival of the species, not an individual or tribe. We are quite literally headed towards the sort of scenario described in Idiocracy. Without some intervention, that will happen. I feel that as it is even done in China and other similar countries, it is the lower end of the class/income spectrum that has the vans pick them up, and gets their water treated with sterilizers, and that the educated and successful are far less affected.

I just view it differently, I see the governments and corporation destroying the species not population...at least we are no where near any limits (I believe 30+billion easy) and with technology advancements this can be boosted further. Intervention imo needs to be the people against the government, bankers (who run the government) and corporations. Their the ones promoting this falsehood that the world is over-populated and use propaganda methods all over the media and everybody believes it.

In regards to China...one of their favorites are the Tibetans as they are slowly trying to wipe out their race. Similarities with the way the Nazi's have done with the Jews.

Just a fact, the most infertile places on the planet are Hong Kong and Taiwan, far from any major impoverished areas in China. What they are using in the public water supply or other means I have to research is effecting everybody.
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[ax1]

Are there any minorities (What is considered a "minor" in the USA) on the board?

Im just wondering if this is a concern for you, or find it offensive in any way. Remember, this comes from Obama's science advisors book "Ecoscience".

Page 786: Single mothers should have their babies taken away by the government; or they could be forced to have abortions

“One way to carry out this disapproval might be to insist that all illegitimate babies be put up for adoption—especially those born to minors, who generally are not capable of caring properly for a child alone."

 

[EasyEJL]

Are there any minorities (What is considered a "minor" in the USA) on the board?

Im just wondering if this is a concern for you, or find it offensive in any way. Remember, this comes from Obama's science advisors book "Ecoscience".

Page 786: Single mothers should have their babies taken away by the government; or they could be forced to have abortions

“One way to carry out this disapproval might be to insist that all illegitimate babies be put up for adoption—especially those born to minors, who generally are not capable of caring properly for a child alone."

that would be anyone under the age of 18

 

[ax1]

that would be anyone under the age of 18

ooppss..lol I had a brain glitch

 

[ax1]

that would be anyone under the age of 18

I see, my research on the eugenics program Planned Parenthood and its creation for the termination of Blacks had me jumping to conclusions slightly to fast in my previous post.

quote:
In a 1934 letter, Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, wrote to her financial sponsor, Clarence Gamble (the Proctor & Gamble heir) :

“We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

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Abortion and Black Genocide (Barack Obama and the Negro Project)

 

[thebigt]

it is our own fault, how did we ever turn over this kind of power to the top 1%. the united states frowns on military intervention of protesters in arab states, but what do you think they would do if the american people finally got fed up with all of this crap?

 

[EasyEJL]

it is our own fault, how did we ever turn over this kind of power to the top 1%. the united states frowns on military intervention of protesters in arab states, but what do you think they would do if the american people finally got fed up with all of this crap?

I know, thats one of the huge comedies, of course it would be no different here.

 

[ax1]

it is our own fault, how did we ever turn over this kind of power to the top 1%. the united states frowns on military intervention of protesters in arab states, but what do you think they would do if the american people finally got fed up with all of this crap?

Now you getting why Im exposing the the FEMA concentration camps being put into place all across the states and all the caskets they have been purchasing.

A guy who works at one told me..."We are preparing for a wave of mass chaos" - Anonymous (but Ill reveal he is a former NY State Trooper 20+ years)

As to why? Thats because they are smarter than us. They have master psychology working behind the scenes and when you run most aspects of media and education (Department of Education) you get what we have now and getting into.

 

[ax1]

I know, thats one of the huge comedies, of course it would be no different here.

You remind me that sometimes we do have to laugh this off!

George Carlin -"Who Really Controls America"

 

[Frank Reynolds]

For Ecoscience? I purchased it on PDF actually, I started reading it. It can be found online for much cheaper than $100.

here is more info on it

quote:
In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science
policy in the United States under POTUS Obama, topics include:

+ Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or
not;

+ The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally
put into the nation's drinking water or in food;

+ Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them
against their will and given away to other couples to raise;

+ People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be
required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words,
be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.

+ A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy
and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed
international police force.

Sign me up!

 

[EasyEJL]

I see, my research on the eugenics program Planned Parenthood and its creation for the termination of Blacks had me jumping to conclusions slightly to fast in my previous post.

see in some ways, I agree with eugenics as well. Not as pointed towards a single race, but in a general way. Look at reality. You know part of why medical expenses are so high nowadays? Becuase over the last 100 years we've managed to find ways to keep people alive who have genetic defects (predisposition to heart attack, diabetes, you name it) who likely would have died without reproducing in the past. Now they are spreading their DNA, which means a larger percentage of the population will have those diseases. As medical science evolves more, it just becomes worse.

If you've never seen it, watch the movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. Although its mostly about intelligent design, there are a couple parts on eugenics. The most interesting quote is from Darwin, "Hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed". Although Darwin goes on to talk about sympathy being why we allow this in humans, frankly all I see is us leading down a spiral of a devolving human race

I really don't mind the scenario as presented in the movie Gattaca, its possibly the only thing that can save our species at this point

 

[ax1]

If you've never seen it, watch the movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. Although its mostly about intelligent design, there are a couple parts on eugenics. The most interesting quote is from Darwin, "Hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed". Although Darwin goes on to talk about sympathy being why we allow this in humans, frankly all I see is us leading down a spiral of a devolving human race

I really don't mind the scenario as presented in the movie Gattaca, its possibly the only thing that can save our species at this point

I know you in no way meant that you support cultural eugenics.

Im not a Darwin guy (Ill add Im a atheist against Darwin, usually religious people hate him, lol) Ill have to get into that another time falling behind my work here, lol

That movie looks very interesting, I will definitely watch it. Ill have to look into Ben Stein's background and where his money comes from. Its free on youtube if anybody reading this want to know...

Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed (Super Trailer)



Edit: Ill have to watch Gattaca as well.

 

[thebigt]

see in some ways, I agree with eugenics as well. Not as pointed towards a single race, but in a general way. Look at reality. You know part of why medical expenses are so high nowadays? Becuase over the last 100 years we've managed to find ways to keep people alive who have genetic defects (predisposition to heart attack, diabetes, you name it) who likely would have died without reproducing in the past. Now they are spreading their DNA, which means a larger percentage of the population will have those diseases. As medical science evolves more, it just becomes worse.

If you've never seen it, watch the movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. Although its mostly about intelligent design, there are a couple parts on eugenics. The most interesting quote is from Darwin, "Hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed". Although Darwin goes on to talk about sympathy being why we allow this in humans, frankly all I see is us leading down a spiral of a devolving human race

I really don't mind the scenario as presented in the movie Gattaca, its possibly the only thing that can save our species at this point

c'mon easy, you don't really believe medical costs are so high because people are living longer, do you??? for pete's sake medicare pays the old folks bills, how does that increase my cost for medicine?

 

[EasyEJL]

c'mon easy, you don't really believe medical costs are so high because people are living longer, do you??? for pete's sake medicare pays the old folks bills, how does that increase my cost for medicine?

Its because people who would have died before having children now live, passing on the genetics. And realistically yes, becuase people live longer there are more and more treatments so the cost of your medical expenses for the span of your life is greater, and that expense gets spread through insurance and your taxes. As well, what you have to look at is the outliers in terms of costs are the most expensive. for instance, take a child diagnosed before birth through ultrasounds with Congenital Diaphragmatic Hernia.

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Even just 30 or 40 years ago, guess what? that child would have been stillborn, or died within minutes to hours of being born. Now they have ways to diagnose it in the womb. It requires immediate surgery, plus potentially years worth of follow up surgeries. One of my wife's friends had a child with that. Spent her first year in the hospital in intensive care the whole time, and now at I think 4 years old hasn't gone more than 2 months without at least one major bad event of some sort that required a hospital visit, as well as having 5 or more doctors visits a month regularly. Her first year in the hospital was a mult-million dollar bill.

Ok sure, it doesn't raise the cost of your healthCARE but it does raise the cost of your healthINSURANCE as the insurance companies spread the cost over all the users. This is one of the bits of verbal sleight of hand that Obama used in getting obamacare passed, somehow trying to tie together the costs of insurance + care, which isn't truly accurate

 

[thebigt]

Its because people who would have died before having children now live, passing on the genetics. And realistically yes, becuase people live longer there are more and more treatments so the cost of your medical expenses for the span of your life is greater, and that expense gets spread through insurance and your taxes. As well, what you have to look at is the outliers in terms of costs are the most expensive. for instance, take a child diagnosed before birth through ultrasounds with Congenital Diaphragmatic Hernia.

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Even just 30 or 40 years ago, guess what? that child would have been stillborn, or died within minutes to hours of being born. Now they have ways to diagnose it in the womb. It requires immediate surgery, plus potentially years worth of follow up surgeries. One of my wife's friends had a child with that. Spent her first year in the hospital in intensive care the whole time, and now at I think 4 years old hasn't gone more than 2 months without at least one major bad event of some sort that required a hospital visit, as well as having 5 or more doctors visits a month regularly. Her first year in the hospital was a mult-million dollar bill.

Ok sure, it doesn't raise the cost of your healthCARE but it does raise the cost of your healthINSURANCE as the insurance companies spread the cost over all the users. This is one of the bits of verbal sleight of hand that Obama used in getting obamacare passed, somehow trying to tie together the costs of insurance + care, which isn't truly accurate

heres the deal, insurance companies demand a group rate, and pay only a percentage of total bill that a uninsured person would have to pay-in other words medicine is inflated so that doc's and hospitals can cover expenses after the insurance only pays 50% of the total bill. if insurance companies had to pay their full 80% you can bet prices would drop dramatically.

 

[ax1]

heres the deal, insurance companies demand a group rate, and pay only a percentage of total bill that a uninsured person would have to pay-in other words medicine is inflated so that doc's and hospitals can cover expenses after the insurance only pays 50% of the total bill. if insurance companies had to pay their full 80% you can bet prices would drop dramatically.

Its going to be against the law to be uninsured. They are expanding 16,500 fully armed combat training IRS agents specifically to enforce this. The IRS power expansion was a part of the bill.

Insurance companies just pulled off a major ponzi scheme with Obama on the American people forcing them to buy their product.

 

[thebigt]

Its going to be against the law to be uninsured. They are expanding 16,500 fully armed combat training IRS agents specifically to enforce this. The IRS power expansion was a part of the bill.

Insurance companies just pulled off a major ponzi scheme with Obama on the American people forcing them to buy their product.

damn-i am still pissed that insurance companies got that dammed seat belt law passed. in indiana you can ride a motorcycle with no helmet, but have to wear a seat belt in a pickup truck-you know why? bikers have lobbyists, lol.

 

[ax1]

damn-i am still pissed that insurance companies got that dammed seat belt law passed. in indiana you can ride a motorcycle with no helmet, but have to wear a seat belt in a pickup truck-you know why? bikers have lobbyists, lol.

You really against seat-belts? I mean...I believe in personal choice and it shouldn't be law, but the seat-belt has saved my butt and medical expenses at least several times.

 

[thebigt]

You really against seat-belts? I mean...I believe in personal choice and it shouldn't be law, but the seat-belt has saved my butt and medical expenses at least several times.

hell yes i am against being forced to wear a goddammed seat belt. i have paid 3 tickets, so far!!!:grumpy:

 

[EasyEJL]

heres the deal, insurance companies demand a group rate, and pay only a percentage of total bill that a uninsured person would have to pay-in other words medicine is inflated so that doc's and hospitals can cover expenses after the insurance only pays 50% of the total bill. if insurance companies had to pay their full 80% you can bet prices would drop dramatically.

no it wouldn't, as health insurance would cost 60% more, so in the end it would save you 0 that is the whole word game with obamacare.

 

[ax1]

no it wouldn't, as health insurance would cost 60% more, so in the end it would save you 0 that is the whole word game with obamacare.

Its going to cost me 100% more because the law will have the IRS force me to buy insurance.

When I go to the doctor I pay in cash, now this is going to change and Im not happy about it.

Obamacare is a corporate money grab and mostly benefits Wall Street and bankers.

 

[thebigt]

no it wouldn't, as health insurance would cost 60% more, so in the end it would save you 0 that is the whole word game with obamacare.

i think we are screwed no matter what we do. ax1 is right, the gov is getting prepared for citizens taking it to the streets, because that is eventually what it will come to.

 

[ax1]

i think we are screwed no matter what we do. ax1 is right, the gov is getting prepared for citizens taking it to the streets, because that is eventually what it will come to.

Do you know about the "Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD)" that they used on the protestors at the G20? I didnt see CNN showing this on TV during that time.

Please turn your volume down a little prior to playing this video

The LRAD (Long Range Acoustic Device) was used for the first time in the USA in Pittsburgh during the time of G20 summit on September 24-25th, 2009

 

[thebigt]

Do you know about the "Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD)" that they used on the protestors at the G20? I didnt see CNN showing this on TV during that time.

Please turn your volume down a little prior to playing this video

The LRAD (Long Range Acoustic Device) was used for the first time in the USA in Pittsburgh during the time of G20 summit on September 24-25th, 2009

i bet there are plenty of cops who will have a problem with that. at least i hope so!!!

 

[ax1]

i bet there are plenty of cops who will have a problem with that. at least i hope so!!!

I agree...there are plenty of good law enforcement, military and other government whistle-blowers that have come out to defend out country from these criminal activities. There will be more coming out soon too (I hope, lol.)

 

[EasyEJL]

I agree...there are plenty of good law enforcement, military and other government whistle-blowers that have come out to defend out country from these criminal activities. There will be more coming out soon too (I hope, lol.)

its part of why they often use the national guard for activities vs regular military. You can pretty well guarantee that if someone is from a national guard troop in alabama that they are less likely to have family in New York for instance. With regular army, where a person lives or is stationed has nothing really to do with where they consider home, but in the national guard it does.

 

[bowhunter28]

damn-i am still pissed that insurance companies got that dammed seat belt law passed.

Agreed, Im in Indiana too. Hard to get used to putting it on.

 

[ax1]

Keep your Constitutional rights in a bag for 4 more years...Obama the "constitutional lawyer" is suspending the constitution and extending the Patriot Act for another 4 more years!

 

[bowhunter28]

Just wait until "something happens" and martial law is declared. I have been preparing a "go bag" this week for that very scenario. Mark my words--> It will happen and only the prepared will A) Survive or B) Not placed into camps.

 

[ax1]

Just wait until "something happens" and martial law is declared. I have been preparing a "go bag" this week for that very scenario. Mark my words--> It will happen and only the prepared will A) Survive or B) Not placed into camps.

We already are in martial law...its easily proven, and the Patriot Act is a part of it.

There are 1-10 stages of martial law and we are currently on level 7. What Im trying to say is that there is room to clamp down much harder when they want to.

 

[bowhunter28]

We already are in martial law...its easily proven, and the Patriot Act is a part of it.

There are 1-10 stages of martial law and we are currently on level 7. What Im trying to say is that there is room to clamp down much harder when they want to.

I'm talkin military walking down our streets taking our guns away and shipping us to camps or straight up just killing civilians. Watch the movie "The Crazies" this is what it will be like(besides the zombie like disease of course).

 

[bowhunter28]

What exactly does level 7 mean? I am not that well versed on all this stuff. I didn't realize there were different levels I guess.