MidwestBeast
Legend
Sub'd for more info and looking forward to hearing more doses used on these products/ingredients (minimum/maximum and optimal, along with timing).
Top 10 Supplements
- Thread starter dinoiii
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AdelV
Well-known member
8. Curcumin (anti-inflammatory/pro-testosterone, can be found in every guy's cupboard I hope...understand bioavailability is poor, so take more of it!!!!); How much ? Are we talking 1g p/d?
6. L-carnitine (all forms, but LOVE LCLT/PLC/ALCAR combo); I agree, I'll be honest the original form started leaning me out! I plan on taking 5g p/d.
5. Leucine (NOT all BCAAs; leucine alone is overlooked and the only sole ketogenic BCAA); Any info on timing?
3. CoQ10 (multi-function strikes again - can change type I muscle fibers to type IIs; can protect the heart; act as an antioxidant, etc...); This actual form, or the other form? How much should we take?
Thanks
6. L-carnitine (all forms, but LOVE LCLT/PLC/ALCAR combo); I agree, I'll be honest the original form started leaning me out! I plan on taking 5g p/d.
5. Leucine (NOT all BCAAs; leucine alone is overlooked and the only sole ketogenic BCAA); Any info on timing?
3. CoQ10 (multi-function strikes again - can change type I muscle fibers to type IIs; can protect the heart; act as an antioxidant, etc...); This actual form, or the other form? How much should we take?
Thanks
BBB
Well-known member
Doc,
Where is augmatine in this list? MAN promotes it as the "Holy Grail" of bodybuilding supplements. I also know you have researched it extensively. I have tried it and I can't say it did much for me but I only used one bottle. It may need to be used for a longer period to exert it's overall effects. Moreover, it doesn't get a lot of love on the bodybuilding forums.
Where is augmatine in this list? MAN promotes it as the "Holy Grail" of bodybuilding supplements. I also know you have researched it extensively. I have tried it and I can't say it did much for me but I only used one bottle. It may need to be used for a longer period to exert it's overall effects. Moreover, it doesn't get a lot of love on the bodybuilding forums.
Resolve
The BPS Rep
j2048b
Member
doc,
wondering why so much b complex is suggested, as a former trainee under u i had to cut mine back to once or twice a day do to insomnia, and it hurting like hell to pee after a few days of taking b complex with every meal!
probably dont remember this but it was way too much fro me to take a b complex with every meal, kind of over use if u ask me?
also DAA gave me the WORST heartburn i have ever had in my life! had to drop it fast! why i ask?
also HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE/???:
3. CoQ10 (multi-function strikes again - can change type I muscle fibers to type IIs; can protect the heart; act as an antioxidant, etc...);
i was under the sumption that once your born with a muscle make up, that one COULD NOT CHANGE THEIR MUSCLE FIBER TYPES, but could learn to train them instead, i was not aware that ones genetics could change by a single supplement, at all!
IF THIS IS IN FACT A TRUTH, THEN THE FDA WILL HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH THIS, AND ALSO WE HAVE FOUND THE "MAGIC PILL!!!"
please do explain in laymans terms and non of that doctor type lingos, because i might throw in the flag on this one!
wondering why so much b complex is suggested, as a former trainee under u i had to cut mine back to once or twice a day do to insomnia, and it hurting like hell to pee after a few days of taking b complex with every meal!
probably dont remember this but it was way too much fro me to take a b complex with every meal, kind of over use if u ask me?
also DAA gave me the WORST heartburn i have ever had in my life! had to drop it fast! why i ask?
also HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE/???:
3. CoQ10 (multi-function strikes again - can change type I muscle fibers to type IIs; can protect the heart; act as an antioxidant, etc...);
i was under the sumption that once your born with a muscle make up, that one COULD NOT CHANGE THEIR MUSCLE FIBER TYPES, but could learn to train them instead, i was not aware that ones genetics could change by a single supplement, at all!
IF THIS IS IN FACT A TRUTH, THEN THE FDA WILL HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH THIS, AND ALSO WE HAVE FOUND THE "MAGIC PILL!!!"
please do explain in laymans terms and non of that doctor type lingos, because i might throw in the flag on this one!
jin
Member
11 dianabol - yes, there IS an 11th supplement!
10 resveratrol and quercetin - resv = bulk powder. too many reasons to use it. querc = - too many reasons to use it, helps stuff like resveratrol work, cheap.
9 lclt/alcar combo - bulk powders. too many reasons to use these
8 green foods powder - chlorella, spirulina, veggies, mixed into a shake, usually post workout or pre-bed.
using NOW green phytofoods atm...
7 coq10, ala, sam-e/tmg, cinnamon, ginger, garlic, olive oil - tie!
6 multimineral - using a NOW product, actually 1/2 daily dose, with 1/2 tab crushed and added to intra drink on wo days too. generating less than 1/4 the selenium recommended by d_. need to get a selenium supp in the mail asap!
5 omega 3s - keep them in the fridge!
4 coconut oil - outside and inside, good for you, helps absorption of phs and fat soluble stuffs, full of mct's (lauric acid, anyone?), antimicrobial, use on skin too mixed with other essential oils, cedar being one of my favorites.
3 vitamins d and c - d = take 10,000iu/day through the winter, none in the summer with 2hours shirtless sun between 10 and 2:00/week, c = buffered with calcium and magnesium, not pre-workout.
2 turmeric/curcumin - bulk powder, dump a few grams turmeric in natty choco whey shakes, add olive/coconut oil - tastes great!
1 astaxanthin - 1 gram 1% bulk powder daily - after a couple weeks of this with curcumin, i was able to bench again after many years of heavy shoulder pain. now, 80-90% less pain doing these movements.
what i am taking away from this thread -
focus on ingredients.
get BACK on a cooenzyme b complex... dammit!
get a BACK on a selenium SPECIFIC supplement... dammit!
10 resveratrol and quercetin - resv = bulk powder. too many reasons to use it. querc = - too many reasons to use it, helps stuff like resveratrol work, cheap.
9 lclt/alcar combo - bulk powders. too many reasons to use these
8 green foods powder - chlorella, spirulina, veggies, mixed into a shake, usually post workout or pre-bed.
using NOW green phytofoods atm...
7 coq10, ala, sam-e/tmg, cinnamon, ginger, garlic, olive oil - tie!
6 multimineral - using a NOW product, actually 1/2 daily dose, with 1/2 tab crushed and added to intra drink on wo days too. generating less than 1/4 the selenium recommended by d_. need to get a selenium supp in the mail asap!
5 omega 3s - keep them in the fridge!
4 coconut oil - outside and inside, good for you, helps absorption of phs and fat soluble stuffs, full of mct's (lauric acid, anyone?), antimicrobial, use on skin too mixed with other essential oils, cedar being one of my favorites.
3 vitamins d and c - d = take 10,000iu/day through the winter, none in the summer with 2hours shirtless sun between 10 and 2:00/week, c = buffered with calcium and magnesium, not pre-workout.
2 turmeric/curcumin - bulk powder, dump a few grams turmeric in natty choco whey shakes, add olive/coconut oil - tastes great!
1 astaxanthin - 1 gram 1% bulk powder daily - after a couple weeks of this with curcumin, i was able to bench again after many years of heavy shoulder pain. now, 80-90% less pain doing these movements.
what i am taking away from this thread -
focus on ingredients.
get BACK on a cooenzyme b complex... dammit!
get a BACK on a selenium SPECIFIC supplement... dammit!
jin
Member
right on man!
i shave with it too!
i mix a few drops of cedar and/or sage oil in some coconut oil (extra virgin, yes, best smell and flavor) and slather the jawline.
the razor GLIDES man! leaves the skin smooth, clean, and naturally resistant to infection, fungus, etc.
thanks for the reps...
feels good to be of the same mind with a man like yourself...
i shave with it too!
i mix a few drops of cedar and/or sage oil in some coconut oil (extra virgin, yes, best smell and flavor) and slather the jawline.
the razor GLIDES man! leaves the skin smooth, clean, and naturally resistant to infection, fungus, etc.
thanks for the reps...
feels good to be of the same mind with a man like yourself...
fueledpassion
Well-known member
Hmm...I'm not even sure I have a "top 10" supplements lol. I personally believe that most of these things are gimmicks at best and the clinical studies done for the majority of these are too narrow or the test base is way too small to make accurate conclusions. With that said, here are my "staples" if you will...
Non-hormonal aka supporting supps:
4)Fish oils
3)Coq-10
2)Hawthorne Berry
1)UDCA (low dose 250mg/day)
Hormonal Supps:
8)GHRP's [Ipa and (-2)]
7)IGF-1
6)PEG MGF-1
5)Toco-8
4)DAA
3)Clomid
2)Formestane/Exemestane
1)Testosterone and it's derivatives
Non-hormonal aka supporting supps:
4)Fish oils
3)Coq-10
2)Hawthorne Berry
1)UDCA (low dose 250mg/day)
Hormonal Supps:
8)GHRP's [Ipa and (-2)]
7)IGF-1
6)PEG MGF-1
5)Toco-8
4)DAA
3)Clomid
2)Formestane/Exemestane
1)Testosterone and it's derivatives
DaveGabe24
Well-known member
Just ordered some Selenium, Curcumin, Magnesium, ALCAR, CoQ10, Vitamin C / D, and a B complex...feels nice to place an order that I know will directly benefit my health, and not just strictly performance/size blah blah.
Also grabbed some DAA, for my next stack I'm throwing together. Already have BA (Intraxcell), Omega3's (oximega), and creatine (Creatine RT).
This thread is definitely a step in the right direction, and it really hit home when Dana made a point that our goals for whichever sport we compete should in no way compete with the priority of our own health...and in fact they should be focused on cohesively in a sense.
Health = longevity
Longevity = More time for success
Also grabbed some DAA, for my next stack I'm throwing together. Already have BA (Intraxcell), Omega3's (oximega), and creatine (Creatine RT).
This thread is definitely a step in the right direction, and it really hit home when Dana made a point that our goals for whichever sport we compete should in no way compete with the priority of our own health...and in fact they should be focused on cohesively in a sense.
Health = longevity
Longevity = More time for success
MidwestBeast
Legend
I'd like to make a similar order. I'm hoping the doc will weigh in on the doses and timing, still
mattrag
Legend
completely agree with you here!
I placed an order that looked very similar to that recently too
fueledpassion
Well-known member
Interestingly enough, its the "unhealthy, steroid using, overweight meatheads" that have spot on health. Honestly, 3 years ago when I was naive and took OTC steroids for the first time was the best thing that happened to me. Because of this, in fear I made a strong effort to know everything about proper hormone manipulation as well as training routines and dieting. This lead to an acute awareness on my part about my body's health. I get bloods done regularly now and am able to keep tabs on all areas of my health which is far more than I can say about most individuals.
MidwestBeast
Legend
JudgementDay
Legend
My Top 10 Favs
1. Formula-X
2. TitaniumXL/Division 1 combo
3. Super Cissus
4. Bulk P-slin
5. Xtend
6. Anabolic Ignite
7. Anabeta
8. Erase
9. Caffeine
10. HGHUP
1. Formula-X
2. TitaniumXL/Division 1 combo
3. Super Cissus
4. Bulk P-slin
5. Xtend
6. Anabolic Ignite
7. Anabeta
8. Erase
9. Caffeine
10. HGHUP
Royd The Noyd
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I'm actually surprised we didn't see it go up further in price after the disaster in japan. A lot of it is manufactured there.
Sourdough
Well-known member
thanks for replying...
I wonder what this means for the study then and if dose was increased due solely to age and what form of CoQ10 was actually used to equate a safe and reasonable dose to use for younger aged individuals.
My guess is ubiquinone is cheaper too and the reason why its suggested if one can adequately convert it???
Royd The Noyd
Board Sponsor
I've used 300mgs of Coq10 for at least a year straight. Personally I think a higher dose would be better.
Ev52
Well-known member
Since the body converts ubiquinone into ubiquinol, there is an extra step involved. The problem is that not all of it gets converted. CoQ10 in the blood is in the form of ubiquionol. As you get older the total level in the blood drops as well as the bodies ability to convert it. Therfore, the recommendation of Ubiquinol for those over 35. This also doesnt mean ubiquinone isnt effective just the the active form is better. Kaneka the manufacturer says 6 times and has some research to back that.
Ev52
Well-known member
I agree. I find it most noticable for energy at 400mg.
Sourdough
Well-known member
Awesome fellas! thanks for the info. I'll be going on a supp buying spree in december with my bonus check and this will have to be on the list.... Think ill start at 300 and go from there.
Any conflicts with running a high dose on cycle, increased blood pressure etc? As I'll start my winter bulk cycle at the same time...
Any conflicts with running a high dose on cycle, increased blood pressure etc? As I'll start my winter bulk cycle at the same time...
dinoiii
Featured Author
I suppose that is simple, BUT in no way am I a fan of Echinacea on a daily basis...I tried to tell them this was NOT appropriate way back with the introduction of this multi. Also, I have discussed my issues with CDG in other threads. Oral Hyaluronic Acid is silly with virtually no absorption. But I certainly have no complaints with most of your list.
As much as you can invest in daily (spices, supplements, et al... ---> it's bioavailability is unfortunately poor in most instances. I think Biotest has a good version with piperine at least in it).
I currently take 3 grams of each of those mentioned per day (9 total grams; of course elemental carnitine will vary dependent upon the salt).
Very program-specific, but I talked about this to some degree in the BCAA Discussion thread. 25% the total amino acid pool is a base, if you are going to take any "extra" - around the workout (post-workout is MUCH MORE important than pre-workout despite what supplement advertisement would lend you to believe) and/or first thing in the morning. There's not a lot of reason to have BCAAs and/or leucine beyond 25% your total amino pool...if you get this from food stuffs...great!
As many appear to say later in this thread...200-400mg of ubiquinol is a good start. Minimally double the value if using ubiquinone.
D_
Answered agmatine questions in said thread.
Nice looking list; the only comments I could make is that 85-90% of milk thistle products are inaccurately labeled unfortunately...supplier and production issue.
As for Lecithin, lecithin is derived from the Greek word for Egg Yolk - its first isolation point. Some may be better familiar with its second dubbing - phosphatidylcholine...which gives us reason to talk about it.
Obviously through metabolic processing, it provides us with choline, conveniently one part of the acetylcholine molecule, a neurotransmitter for proper brain and nerve functioning in its most basic of understanding. Since we commercialized it and it became a rather en vogue substance when researchers made the connection between choline and brain functioning, its extraction process shifted toward the soybean - which offers a consistent source of EFAs [to me - far better than flax or hemp, which kind of upended it with their own evolution]. Lecithin's emulsification properties (it's a HUGE component of bile) are thought to keep cholesterol in check - which to me has always been debatable as I think many more fats do this, yet for different reasons.
Now, especially if you're an endurance athlete ... it may have a very important role as it has been hypothesized that runners in the Boston Marathon possess low choline levels, which subsequently imparts a dleterious effect on long-term output potential for the nervous system (i.e. - subsequent neuronal firing to continue muscles moving, etc...). Shoot, lecithin is important for creatine synthesis and might bode well in forthcoming creatine beverages to some level if it could be worked out, hypothesized to essentially increase strength based on this fact.
The only problem I have seen is that studies involving upwards of 20-35 grams have produced MIXED RESULTS (and I remain a study guy for my dollars). Does that mean I write it off, HELL NO!!! I am just not sure I can offer the best of recommendations - think about it...it helps aid in liver detoxification processes which may impart a better final product action than any other liver detox agent --- all the NAC's, TUDA, et al may not even ultimately match up and in a case where we tend to overdo it sometimes in a virtually flooded C17 alkylated PH/PS/AAS world these days, it may have worth for all of us yet. I think too - it has shown some effects to boost HDL levels (another issue with long-term steroid users, etc...) but I would have to revisit the literature to offer anything concrete here.
So - its a mixed bag, my lack of conclusion is solely because of the mixed reviews and I am NOT sure I could offer a concrete suggestion...just that...maybe it has benefit, maybe it doesn't mean so much in affordable doses ... if you like it, use it.
You know this is a GREAT question! Although, I am afraid I wouldn't label a "drive golfer" an explosive athlete; but I suppose your question would better ask if it was an endurance athlete, should they avoid CoQ10? That has unfortunately not been studied. For explosive short bursts, like say a sprinter OR even those playing football are actually just the guys I'd have using it.
D_
dinoiii
Featured Author
B vitamins are co-factors for virtually every reaction in the body, inclusive of protein synthesis. When your amino pool is called upon, you would do your best to add in some B's and this processing is happening all the time. Unfortunately, it is a water-soluble offering which means, it will be with you for a short period.
I could certainly see insomnia (again, more reactions - for which if this did crop up...I would cut back on the final dose of the day), but NOT pain on urination - that I would seek out another cause. If you suggest your pain on urination went away with stopping B Vitamins, I would say something in the brand you chose was off OR we're talking complete idiosyncrisy.
I think we talked about the relative acidity in the DAA thread, but feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
I don't blame you for challenging this as it is contradictory to common thought. I am an avid believer that we should do anything BUT lie victim to our genetics; remember - there's an entire field known as "epigenetics" (subject of a recent radio show on rxmuscle I did) where things literally "above" genetics can occur...environmental things can certainly influence phenotype (i.e. - what you look like). Type IIs are very modifiable actually; they are also subject to the most hypertrophy (growth in size), but we even decided a few years ago that were subject to hyperplasia (growth of new ones) and previous thinking was off...the same thinking fell through for neuron regeneration as well.
You may be addicted when... I kid, I kid; but really - "Essential element?" We know it would obviously "work."
Great looking rest of your list though IMO.
D_
dinoiii
Featured Author
Yes...in the one study I can think of in humans; there was no curcumin found in human blood...I'd say it's a waste on that alone.
BCM-95®, Biocurcumax, Arjuna on the other hand...showed 10 times the serum value of regular curcumin. Unfortunately, bioperine alone contributes to most....so if you can get a formula with that...you're probably gonna save a lot of money.
Interesting guys. I like it for ingestion; but the consistency might be too rich for my skin IMO, but I will check it out now that you have posted this and see...
Interesting and accurate points; many things are in fact gimmick - why invest in things that aren't even efficaciously dosed. This is kind of why I resort to my own dosing protocols and avoid manufacturer recommendations.
As for your list of hormonal agents; they obviously possess a good deal of efficacy and I cannot fault your desire to use them.
Labs don't always tell the complete story I am afraid. How come only a quarter of people with coronary artery disease die with lipid (cholesterol) elevations (i.e. - increased LDL); because it goes so much more deeper than the lab tale. Which labs are the "most important" - well, that may be a subject in and of itself, but I will guarantee you haven't checked even a third of them if true health is in your interest to accomodate side effects of not only anabolic aids, but also those that are side effects of simply being a man.
D_
keyser
New member
So I had it the wrong way around... q10 is changing muscle from slow to fast? Explosive = q10, endurance = possibly not?
DaveGabe24
Well-known member
Would you mind elaborating a bit on the LCLT? I've read quite a bit of literature, and heard some contradicting feedback depending on who I ask. Some say the androgen upregulation, etc. allows for the enhanced binding of endogenous hormones, which will ultimately increase the efficiency of any test-boosters being ran.
Also, what's your thoughts on what to be run with DAA as far as E control goes. I was thinking a combination of I3C + Calcium D-Glucarate? If this question is not pertinent to this thread, I can ask elsewhere. Thanks!
Also, what's your thoughts on what to be run with DAA as far as E control goes. I was thinking a combination of I3C + Calcium D-Glucarate? If this question is not pertinent to this thread, I can ask elsewhere. Thanks!
Sourdough
Well-known member
So I totally know im not D and I would love to hear all pertinent info he has to offer on LCLT as well since he has access to tons of stuff I could never dream of.... but...
I was just recently in discussion about this in another thread and there is an obvious reason why there are so many opinions for either uregulation of AR sites or not.... I did some pulling up of studies to prove my point that AR sites were upregulated(something I had been previously convinced of through product writeups and articles) and found it wasnt fully the case...
...Well in a body building world/strength training world and just about any sport where one over exerts themselves I guess it would upregulate AR's over someone who wasnt active... but thats just it... you have to be active and specifically from a studies standpoint I think its only been proven through resistance exersice training, in other words weight lifting...
What it seems that happens is LCLT decreases the amount of damage that occurs to muscles and the AR sites within. This DOES in turn increase the effectiveness of testosterone and I think that post workout feeding is what helps to increase this as well at least from a production standpoint... So of course keep up your post workout nutrition.
Here, I looked em up again on my recent history and posted em for you to read yourself....
So you can see that no.... LCLT does not have the intrinsic ability to just create new AR sites in resting individuals and in turn increase the efficacy of testosterone boosters or exogenous hormones.... BUT in the case that one is regularly performing Resistance Exercise training (which, heh, I sure hope is the case with everyone here) and the fact that RE training will undoubtedly damage muscle tissues and AR sites, then YES! Supplementation with LCLT will protect against that damage, preserve many of the AR sites and in turn increase the efficacy of hormones that can interact with those sites....
So the answer is a resounding NO but YES! lol....
Again I would love for D to either confirm, deny or expound on this principal still as I'd love to learn more.
As for DAA, those exact questions were addressed here...
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/advanced-discussion-dr/184160-daa-q-dr.html
DaveGabe24
Well-known member
I wonder if we are able to extrapolate any possibly synergies between LCLT and Creatine due to their effect on ATP? Creatine offering a phosphate and attenuating hypoxanthine accrual during exercise. Thoughts?
Also I didn't see on anything specific for estrogen control that Dana prefers. Just his response to ideas proposed, calcium d-gluc, etc. etc.
Also I didn't see on anything specific for estrogen control that Dana prefers. Just his response to ideas proposed, calcium d-gluc, etc. etc.
MidwestBeast
Legend
I'd still love to see recommended doses and times of doses for all of the top 10 compounds listed by the doc. I think low-range, high-range and recommended doses along with the preferred timing of doses would be very beneficial to have.
I know with curcumin it's as much as you can afford. I know we've discussed coq10. Carnitine is one that has been pretty well discussed. I'd love to see the rest
I know with curcumin it's as much as you can afford. I know we've discussed coq10. Carnitine is one that has been pretty well discussed. I'd love to see the rest
Sourdough
Well-known member
DaveGabe24 said:
I thought there was reference to formestane being preferred? Maybe not... I think the main point was just about anything would work that's a true dedicated AI, form, adex, etc... I think even 6-bromo was mentioned? But maybe not rely on .res, ic3, flavones etc that have their place but may not he adequate or proven and may not be economical....
Its possible im mixing threads in my head... I'll have to reread...
I'm almost certain that your exact reference to synergy between creatine and carnosine has been laid out before and maybe even proven in studies... I'll look into that right now as well.
DaveGabe24
Well-known member
Jeez, sounds like I have you spinning your wheels. So how about something like Erase??
Had a stack looking something like this
DAA
Powerfull
Erase
Calcium D-Glucarate
I3C
Agmatine
T-Force
Possibly some adaptogens
Thoughts?
Sourdough
Well-known member
DaveGabe24 said:
With the exception of the calcium supp I'd say it looks like a potent natty stack. I think D mentioned the calcium supp had no significant impact on test production, besides I get tons of calcium through my diet and see no need to seek an outside source of supplementation.... Maybe thats just me...
DaveGabe24
Well-known member
Yup, and the calcium d-glucarate is to help with excess estrogen, not related to test at all.
HondaV65
Active member
Honda's Top Ten ...
1. Fish Oil (12 grams/day)
2. Zinc (300mg/day)
3. Vitamin C (3 grams/day)
4. DAA (6000mg/day) - take a break every 5 weeks for a week ... sometimes more
5. Creatine Nitrate
6. Ephedrine HCL (I'm using Primatine now - got tired of the Canadian supplier)
7. Caffeine (both liquid and tabs)
8. MAX Protein
9. IGF-2
10. Erase
My stuff tends to be basic, and it's mostly designed to make me feel good. Both my free and total testosterone measurements tend to run high above specifications ... 950 ng/ml's total and 34 ng/ml's free - and I'll be 50 years old in February. I believe that Fish Oil, Zinc, and Vitamin C help keep my test levels high and the DAA spikes it even more. Sometimes I will spend months in the Arctic Circle working - and when I go up there, at a minimum I bring a full supply of Zinc, Fish Oil and C - if I don't bring anything else I'll bring those three.
Since I work out in the morning at 0500 - I need to get the fuzz out of mind - so I do that with Ephedrine HCL and Caffeine (might add some Yohimbine hcl to that mix if I can figure out the right way to do it).
1. Fish Oil (12 grams/day)
2. Zinc (300mg/day)
3. Vitamin C (3 grams/day)
4. DAA (6000mg/day) - take a break every 5 weeks for a week ... sometimes more
5. Creatine Nitrate
6. Ephedrine HCL (I'm using Primatine now - got tired of the Canadian supplier)
7. Caffeine (both liquid and tabs)
8. MAX Protein
9. IGF-2
10. Erase
My stuff tends to be basic, and it's mostly designed to make me feel good. Both my free and total testosterone measurements tend to run high above specifications ... 950 ng/ml's total and 34 ng/ml's free - and I'll be 50 years old in February. I believe that Fish Oil, Zinc, and Vitamin C help keep my test levels high and the DAA spikes it even more. Sometimes I will spend months in the Arctic Circle working - and when I go up there, at a minimum I bring a full supply of Zinc, Fish Oil and C - if I don't bring anything else I'll bring those three.
Since I work out in the morning at 0500 - I need to get the fuzz out of mind - so I do that with Ephedrine HCL and Caffeine (might add some Yohimbine hcl to that mix if I can figure out the right way to do it).
broons
Member
Dinoii, in regards to curcumin, what doasage do you take? I understand difference in certain brands as far as claimed bioavailability but in general. I have taken it before and I believe its somewhat dose dependant. Too much and it will kill the libido. For me and everyone else I know that has taken it anyways.
Also, I have read that curcumin possibly inhibits beta catenin. Could you comment on that? Thank you
Also, I have read that curcumin possibly inhibits beta catenin. Could you comment on that? Thank you
fueledpassion
Well-known member
Labs don't always tell the complete story I am afraid. How come only a quarter of people with coronary artery disease die with lipid (cholesterol) elevations (i.e. - increased LDL); because it goes so much more deeper than the lab tale. Which labs are the "most important" - well, that may be a subject in and of itself, but I will guarantee you haven't checked even a third of them if true health is in your interest to accomodate side effects of not only anabolic aids, but also those that are side effects of simply being a man.
Yeah I didn't mean to make it sound like lab results is absolute information. Really, my point is that I do everything I can to make myself aware of my current health state. Health awareness came about when I started considering things that alter my health, including the 30+ lbs of muscle that I put on over the past 3 years, the hormones, etc...
Before I got into this venture I never kept tabs on my health. But yeah, I know what you mean about test results. My father's cholesterol checked out pretty decent at the doc some time ago but later he got a heart cath done to make sure. Turns out he had 3 main arteries block off 80% or more..needless to say within 6 months after that cholesterol reading he was getting a triple-bypass surgery.
Yeah I didn't mean to make it sound like lab results is absolute information. Really, my point is that I do everything I can to make myself aware of my current health state. Health awareness came about when I started considering things that alter my health, including the 30+ lbs of muscle that I put on over the past 3 years, the hormones, etc...
Before I got into this venture I never kept tabs on my health. But yeah, I know what you mean about test results. My father's cholesterol checked out pretty decent at the doc some time ago but later he got a heart cath done to make sure. Turns out he had 3 main arteries block off 80% or more..needless to say within 6 months after that cholesterol reading he was getting a triple-bypass surgery.