Tomhawk Is Eating His Cake And Having It Too (CBL)

Sounds like you hit it off with the second girl. You plan on seeing her again soon?

I'm also doing a deload this week.

Ya I am quoting this post again haha.

I thought I might be seeing her this weekend, but she went to visit her mom instead of going home to her dad's. So hopefully next weekend I see her. So far havent noticed any super red flags.

Decided to go a little heavier on my ELECT sets today. Made bigger jumps early on in the sets. Got to 245 on both incline and decline. Felt/feels like it made a difference. No point in messing around with light weights. Hopefully the added weights will translate to new growth and strength.

Took it a little easier on DB pullovers. Didnt want to hurt myself.

Did 305 for 2 on pause press(bench) was a little slow on the 2nd rep. Probably should have done 295 or just stuck with 285.

Lat pulldowns, seems like all the fat grip work is paying off. Did 3 sets of 8 with 210 while using the fat gripz.

BB curls ELECT, made bigger jumps thanks to a hot female personal trainer. Finished with 100 instead of my usual 90.

Close grip chins ELECT, this has gotten harder after added some extra weight. I swear I could attach a 45 before but now it is impossible.

Hammer curls, 35s for 10 reps is getting a little easier. The DBs were falling out of my hands at the end of the sets.
This is when I noticed my biceps actually looked good. Had to do a little flexing in the mirror to make sure. Thinking about maybe taking some measurements.

Fat grip rope ext, did 3 sets of 8 reps instead of my usual 2 sets of higher rep.

One more workout before I go low carb for a about a week. Decided to do 3 carb meals tonight. I still have plenty of food to eat. Plus tomorrow going to have flank steak and onion. The pot roast can be used during the low carb diet though. It weighed 2.9 pounds with 38 grams of protein per 4oz. That is 440 grams of protein plus 278 grams of animal fat.

The other day I literally ate over a pound of bacon.
 
Tomahawk88 said:
Ya I am quoting this post again haha.

I thought I might be seeing her this weekend, but she went to visit her mom instead of going home to her dad's. So hopefully next weekend I see her. So far havent noticed any super red flags.

Decided to go a little heavier on my ELECT sets today. Made bigger jumps early on in the sets. Got to 245 on both incline and decline. Felt/feels like it made a difference. No point in messing around with light weights. Hopefully the added weights will translate to new growth and strength.

Took it a little easier on DB pullovers. Didnt want to hurt myself.

Did 305 for 2 on pause press(bench) was a little slow on the 2nd rep. Probably should have done 295 or just stuck with 285.

Lat pulldowns, seems like all the fat grip work is paying off. Did 3 sets of 8 with 210 while using the fat gripz.

BB curls ELECT, made bigger jumps thanks to a hot female personal trainer. Finished with 100 instead of my usual 90.

Close grip chins ELECT, this has gotten harder after added some extra weight. I swear I could attach a 45 before but now it is impossible.

Hammer curls, 35s for 10 reps is getting a little easier. The DBs were falling out of my hands at the end of the sets.
This is when I noticed my biceps actually looked good. Had to do a little flexing in the mirror to make sure. Thinking about maybe taking some measurements.

Fat grip rope ext, did 3 sets of 8 reps instead of my usual 2 sets of higher rep.

One more workout before I go low carb for a about a week. Decided to do 3 carb meals tonight. I still have plenty of food to eat. Plus tomorrow going to have flank steak and onion. The pot roast can be used during the low carb diet though. It weighed 2.9 pounds with 38 grams of protein per 4oz. That is 440 grams of protein plus 278 grams of animal fat.

The other day I literally ate over a pound of bacon.

Bro lifts looking strong as always...305lbs bp huh...that's great bro...tomorrow is my chest day and I wanna go for 315lbs...I can do 275x5 but failed doing 315 last time...hoping I can do it tomorrow...you doing great bro!!! Keep killing it!!!
 
Bro lifts looking strong as always...305lbs bp huh...that's great bro...tomorrow is my chest day and I wanna go for 315lbs...I can do 275x5 but failed doing 315 last time...hoping I can do it tomorrow...you doing great bro!!! Keep killing it!!!

Ya some stronger than others. My bench is slacking like usual. I know I can do 305 for more, but it is supposed to be pause press and weight you KNOW you can do. Good luck with 315. Always feels nice benching with 3 plates.

I am thinking tomorrow I will do squats with 380 again. See if I can do more than 8. Seems like 2nd time in the week I can do more. Basically seems like my squat is improving each workout.

As far as bench goes I am waiting on a new routine that is supposed to help improve bench. Same guy who came up with this diet and current workout. It is a challenge his routine vs Wendlers 531 haha. I picked his before I gave Wendlers 531 a chance. Thinking both groups will make some great improvements.
 
Tomahawk88 said:
Ya some stronger than others. My bench is slacking like usual. I know I can do 305 for more, but it is supposed to be pause press and weight you KNOW you can do. Good luck with 315. Always feels nice benching with 3 plates.

I am thinking tomorrow I will do squats with 380 again. See if I can do more than 8. Seems like 2nd time in the week I can do more. Basically seems like my squat is improving each workout.

As far as bench goes I am waiting on a new routine that is supposed to help improve bench. Same guy who came up with this diet and current workout. It is a challenge his routine vs Wendlers 531 haha. I picked his before I gave Wendlers 531 a chance. Thinking both groups will make some great improvements.

Yea I kno pause press takes lot of strength and energy out of you...but if you keep doing pause press it sure makes you strong...good luck with your squats bro...I did my squat PR this week and it was 380 for 10reps...felt like its gonna break my back lol...that's some heavy weights...
 
Yea I kno pause press takes lot of strength and energy out of you...but if you keep doing pause press it sure makes you strong...good luck with your squats bro...I did my squat PR this week and it was 380 for 10reps...felt like its gonna break my back lol...that's some heavy weights...

Ya it is supposed to really work the CNS. Plus that is how I will have to do them if I decide to do a PL meet. Thanks hearing you hit 380 for 10 reps is some motivation for sure. Hopefully their will be someone to spot me there. Probably going to be going around 7ish. I am trying to make sure I keep good form with these. No point in hurting myself.

I posted in the Shockwave Protocol VS 531 bench challenge thread yesterday that I would be starting my deload week this week. And that watch that Kiefer would have the program ready. A day later and he posts up that it is ready haha. Literally the next post in the thread.
 
So I ended up not doing the 531 squat workout. Got time to do it and just didnt feel it. That is probably the best thing I have learned from this routine... is how to regulate my workouts. Instead of just going by what is said to be done. There will always be another chance to test out my squats.

Still had a damn good workout. Slowly trying to work up on every exercise.

Ended up having 3 meals post workout. Each one was basically white rice with some kind of meat. Then I had some ice cream. Since I was starting my week of ULC I was pretty limited to what I had in the house. No point in keeping stuff around if I wont eat it.

So what I am hoping to accomplish with this deload is pretty simple. Let my body heal up from all the workouts. Tighten up a bit with ultra low carb. Take a little break from stims. Will probably still do a cup of coffee a day to start my day though. Better than 2 or 3 cups a day haha. Hopefully get my sleep schedule back on track.
 
So I ended up not doing the 531 squat workout. Got time to do it and just didnt feel it. That is probably the best thing I have learned from this routine... is how to regulate my workouts. Instead of just going by what is said to be done. There will always be another chance to test out my squats.

Still had a damn good workout. Slowly trying to work up on every exercise.

Ended up having 3 meals post workout. Each one was basically white rice with some kind of meat. Then I had some ice cream. Since I was starting my week of ULC I was pretty limited to what I had in the house. No point in keeping stuff around if I wont eat it.

So what I am hoping to accomplish with this deload is pretty simple. Let my body heal up from all the workouts. Tighten up a bit with ultra low carb. Take a little break from stims. Will probably still do a cup of coffee a day to start my day though. Better than 2 or 3 cups a day haha. Hopefully get my sleep schedule back on track.

Nice lifting! LoL, I make the same excuse to cheat on my diet as well, or to start it a few days later than I should, I just tell myself that I need to eat all the bad food in my house to get rid of it so it doesn't tempt me later, Bahahaa, what a crock of $hit and we both know it, LoL, the things we will tell ourselves to justify our bad behavior is beyond me, not calling you out, just saying we all do it, especially me!!!
 
Nice lifting! LoL, I make the same excuse to cheat on my diet as well, or to start it a few days later than I should, I just tell myself that I need to eat all the bad food in my house to get rid of it so it doesn't tempt me later, Bahahaa, what a crock of $hit and we both know it, LoL, the things we will tell ourselves to justify our bad behavior is beyond me, not calling you out, just saying we all do it, especially me!!!

Haha I guess I havent gone into detail enough about my diet. I actually ran out of "bad" food. Usually I like to mix up my back loads more. Ended up having to eat ice cream with each meal. The best thing about ice cream is the fact that it keeps. The desserts I normally eat wouldnt keep. That is why I didnt get as much. Plus I was hoping to meet up with a girl. So I figured that meal would include dessert.

Supposed to go do my deload workout in a little bit. Going with a lightweight. Hopefully I dont get baited into a workout. I am thinking I want to change up the order of my workouts. The order I was doing them in before just wasnt working.

Sunday: off
Monday: Shoulders/Triceps
Tuesday: Back
Wednesday: Squat 531
Thursday: Chest/Biceps

Here there were a few options
1
Friday: off
Saturday: Legs
2
Friday: press 531
Saturday: legs
3
Friday legs
Saturday off

What I might do is
Sunday Off
Monday Chest/biceps
Tuesday Legs
Wednesday off/core
Thursday Back
Friday Shoulders/triceps
Saturday Squat 531
 
100 laps today. Now I just need to work on the food intake.

Sent from my iPhone using Am.com

Hope you are doing well.

I think I might end up not going to the gym this week. Going to be doing a 2 day job helping to put together a stage for a 4th of July show. Depending how I feel I may do squat and deadlift deload on Thursday. Monday ended up being a little bit of everything on upper body. Then on Saturday I will lift and carb back load. Not sure what I want to do as far as lifting yet though. Havent gotten the new workout for the bench challenge yet. Might do a HIT workout type workout. Just need to find someone to help spot me on the negatives.

Also on Saturday supposed to meet up with Rachel again. She is bringing me dinner. Going to go eat at a park. So no complaining from me yet haha.

Today for food I had a bunch of ground beef with lectuce and cheese. Had that a few times actually. Plus I also had some slow cooked ribs. I think today was the first time I didnt have bacon in a while.

Alright I need to get to bed. Got to wake up and pee in a cup for a drug test. Good thing I havent been taking Craze for a few days haha.

Also has anyone else looked up the number for powerlifting records? The raw world record for the 165 weight class is 485. 424 is the record for the 148 weight class where some of them are probably close to 170. Just thought I would point out how even more stupid the ads actually are. Oh and the tested 165 record is 424.
 
Tom, if I were to try to start this say the week after the 4rth of July I would want to know I had a decent grasp on it. Correct me if I am wrong I need to make a cheat sheet of some sort to get started. Some of these are questions and some are simply statements I want corrected if wrong.

1. Below 30 grams of carbohydrates during the early part of the day, fiber is not counted in this 30 grams. Fat and Protein are okay.

2. Consume most of your carb back load in simple sugars or highly processed foods. Please list the suggested formula for estimating carbs in a back load both for if you do the depletion phase or just the quick and dirty formula for those who have not done it.

3. How long should the backload be? I see guys hitting well over 400 grams of carbs how long do you typically get to get in these carbs at night?

4. Carbs are lower on non workout / rest days? How much lower, is it just a much smaller back load that night or do you try to maintain the extremely low carb until the next time you workout? If there is a formula or suggestion please let us know.

5. Is it suggested to keep track of protein, and or fat during the low carb portion of the day?

6. Is it suggested to keep track of protein or fat during the carb load? I know you said you do not but is that your mod or what the book says?

7. Is everyone aware that eating a steak releases as much insulin as eating 50grams of carbs from oatmeal? Having just protein and fat does not create an insulin free environment. So I assume it is blood sugar levels that he is worried about effecting and not solely insulin?

8. Thank You! I have followed your log from the beginning and I know you have answered these questions in other areas but I think it will be helpful to many of us to have a cheat sheet with these tidbits of info.
 
Tom, if I were to try to start this say the week after the 4rth of July I would want to know I had a decent grasp on it. Correct me if I am wrong I need to make a cheat sheet of some sort to get started. Some of these are questions and some are simply statements I want corrected if wrong.

1. Below 30 grams of carbohydrates during the early part of the day, fiber is not counted in this 30 grams. Fat and Protein are okay.

2. Consume most of your carb back load in simple sugars or highly processed foods. Please list the suggested formula for estimating carbs in a back load both for if you do the depletion phase or just the quick and dirty formula for those who have not done it.

3. How long should the backload be? I see guys hitting well over 400 grams of carbs how long do you typically get to get in these carbs at night?

4. Carbs are lower on non workout / rest days? How much lower, is it just a much smaller back load that night or do you try to maintain the extremely low carb until the next time you workout? If there is a formula or suggestion please let us know.

5. Is it suggested to keep track of protein, and or fat during the low carb portion of the day?

6. Is it suggested to keep track of protein or fat during the carb load? I know you said you do not but is that your mod or what the book says?

7. Is everyone aware that eating a steak releases as much insulin as eating 50grams of carbs from oatmeal? Having just protein and fat does not create an insulin free environment. So I assume it is blood sugar levels that he is worried about effecting and not solely insulin?

8. Thank You! I have followed your log from the beginning and I know you have answered these questions in other areas but I think it will be helpful to many of us to have a cheat sheet with these tidbits of info.

I will start off by saying the 10 day prep phase is done to help get your body to use fat as a fuel source. So not doing it MAY hinder results. With that said plenty of people have seen positive effects while doing the diet half right and without all the details.

1. That is correct. Ideally you want a somewhat equal amount of fat and protein(in grams). On days I back load I try to get around 70 grams of protein and fat each pre training when I lift around 5-7pm.

2. It is suggested to avoid highly processed foods. Baked goods are suggested, but more of the fresh stuff not prepackaged for the end of days. I use jasmine rice for a good bit of my back loads. Also potatoes and fruits. Some really good fruits include banana(extra ripe) and grapes.

The guide for if you didnt do the prep phase is just out there. The number for a 200 pound person is 700 grams of carbs. My suggestion would be to try 500 grams and see how you feel. As crazy as it sounds it seems the best idea is to try and go OVER board. People are seeing better results from going with crazy back loads as opposed to controlled back loads of 300 grams. It is worth trying. I know when I first tried this without the book I didnt see the results I am seeing now. I was not consuming the amount of carbs I am now.

3. There isnt a set time, but it seems to be try not to go over 6 hours. Some people do their back loads in one sitting. I tend to do mine in 2 or 3 sitting. With about an hour in between each.

4. It depends on what you are trying to do (bulk or recomp). On a bulk you can have mini back loads almost every off night. Recomp I would stick to the under 30 grams of carbs. I basically try to keep my carbs to trace amount. I dont add anything extra.

5. I have a general idea of how much fat and protein I take in during the ultra low carb portion. The main thing is to make sure you take in enough fat. Dont slack on fat consumption.

6. There isnt really anything to suggest keeping track of fat during the back loads. The only real suggestion I can think of is avoid fat in your post workout shake. Which should be a fast protein, a little casein, carbs(waxy maize or dextrose), and creatine. As far as protein the guide for a 200 pound target weight is about 55 grams to 100 grams of protein post workout which includes the post workout shake.

7. I honestly can not really answer that. I know certain things are supposed to be avoided. I dont know the full list either. I know eggs and dairy products are among them. Especially egg yolks in high numbers(around 5 or so).

8. I try and help a little, but the best way to get the info is to get the book honestly. So much info I know I havent gone over in this log.
 
Tom this diet looks crazy :P

I might try it after I finish my current run, only 20 days left, if my abs are showing after my current routine are they going to go back into hiding after this cake diet?
 
Tom this diet looks crazy :P

I might try it after I finish my current run, only 20 days left, if my abs are showing after my current routine are they going to go back into hiding after this cake diet?

This kind of diet is one where people are going to hate you. Because it is so much easier than what we been told we HAVE to do. It is something I can honestly see myself sticking to. It has been very effective for me. The only time I ever came close to seeing abs is when I was a high school wrestler. I am sure some of you know what hell that can be. Not saying I have abs now, but I can some formation after 2 months. Also take into consideration I was out for a solid 2 months sick and have only been back 3 months. So I started off very sloppy and very weak.

So to answer your question... no they will not go into hiding haha. In fact you should have a full look as opposed to looking flat(with most diet).
 
Interesting, might order this book. I am always really good at dieting for a week or so, then just can't handle the monotony, or I work late and dont get home fromt he gym until 10pm, and dont feel like cooking. End up with taco bell or snack wraps from mickey Ds a time or two a week lol.

I'm gaining slowly and getting more defined now, after the first week people started thinking I was roiding, which I wish I was but don't have the dough at the moment lol.

A diet where the slip ups are a benefit would be great lol.
 
Name of book please, I found carb back loading manual but its 89 bucks, so pretty sure it = snake oil
 
Interesting, might order this book. I am always really good at dieting for a week or so, then just can't handle the monotony, or I work late and dont get home fromt he gym until 10pm, and dont feel like cooking. End up with taco bell or snack wraps from mickey Ds a time or two a week lol.

I'm gaining slowly and getting more defined now, after the first week people started thinking I was roiding, which I wish I was but don't have the dough at the moment lol.

A diet where the slip ups are a benefit would be great lol.

You actually get better results when you carb more.

Name of book please, I found carb back loading manual but its 89 bucks, so pretty sure it = snake oil

That is the book. Didnt say it was cheap. To me it has been worth it.

Just got home a few minutes ago. Putting together a stage for a concert sucks haha. Ended up cheating on my diet. Was going to go ultra low carb this week. The last time I had ate was 5pm plus I had some coffee on the way there. 12 am rolled around and they bought 8 pizzas. I figured if I was going to cheat I was going to do it big. Ended up eating 6 probably 7 slices of pizza. Debating if I want to try and take something with me to eat tomorrow or not. There were breaks where I could have had a little something to eat.
 
You actually get better results when you carb more.



That is the book. Didnt say it was cheap. To me it has been worth it.

Just got home a few minutes ago. Putting together a stage for a concert sucks haha. Ended up cheating on my diet. Was going to go ultra low carb this week. The last time I had ate was 5pm plus I had some coffee on the way there. 12 am rolled around and they bought 8 pizzas. I figured if I was going to cheat I was going to do it big. Ended up eating 6 probably 7 slices of pizza. Debating if I want to try and take something with me to eat tomorrow or not. There were breaks where I could have had a little something to eat.

Wasn't trying to sound like a cheap skate but was just surprised by the price, figured you'd found it cheaper somewhere. Might look into buying it next payday then
 
Wasn't trying to sound like a cheap skate but was just surprised by the price, figured you'd found it cheaper somewhere. Might look into buying it next payday then

Ya I know. It is definitely more expansive than most e-books. I would say it is worth it though. If people can fit it into their budget I highly suggest it.

Very sore again today. Will be nice to relax today. Hopefully not too sore tomorrow. Will be back to lifting tomorrow. Hoping I got the benefits from taking time off. Wasnt exactly taking it easy the last 2 days.
 
Tom, quick question for you. I know you're on the SA protocol of CBL, but as someone who's currently density bulking, how would you advise structuring the rest day backloads? Kiefer has a LOT of contradictions regarding whether or not one should keep these off day backloads clean. Would you recommend backloading with high gi carbs similar to training days? Given the science behind CBL, would you still want to cause the fast insulin spikes? I'm enjoying CBL so far, but Kiefer seems to have absolutely no consistency whatsoever as far as backloads are concerned.
 
Tom, quick question for you. I know you're on the SA protocol of CBL, but as someone who's currently density bulking, how would you advise structuring the rest day backloads? Kiefer has a LOT of contradictions regarding whether or not one should keep these off day backloads clean. Would you recommend backloading with high gi carbs similar to training days? Given the science behind CBL, would you still want to cause the fast insulin spikes? I'm enjoying CBL so far, but Kiefer seems to have absolutely no consistency whatsoever as far as backloads are concerned.

Ya I can see how it would be a pain. The only suggestion I would have is give it a try and see how YOU respond. I think that is why he is so inconsistent. What makes sense to me would be to keep the carbs kind of clean and have the backload be smaller. Say my backloads are usually in the 400 to 500 carb range. IF I was density bulking on an off day I would do 200-300. See how that treats you for a few weeks and adjust from there. The last 3 days I havent lifted and I still ate carbs. Wish it wasnt the case but I did it. Tomorrow I will lift and kill some more carbs.
 
Thanks for the response, Tom...much appreciated. I like the data behind the CBL protocol and I'm not going to complain about consuming 500 grams of cho after a heavy training session, but the sheer amount of fence sitting that Kiefer exhibits is not reassuring. That being said, you're the reason I decided to give CBL a try so you have my gratitude for all the great info and updates.
 
Thanks for the response, Tom...much appreciated. I like the data behind the CBL protocol and I'm not going to complain about consuming 500 grams of cho after a heavy training session, but the sheer amount of fence sitting that Kiefer exhibits is not reassuring. That being said, you're the reason I decided to give CBL a try so you have my gratitude for all the great info and updates.

Glad I can help out. I am still very new to the diet myself though. Just got the book when I started this log

I think the reason why Kiefer sits on the fence about so much is because everyone is different. This isnt your typical cookie cutter diet. The way I think about it is this is a template to get you started. There isnt a right way for everybody, but a right way for YOU. Where most diets try to fit you into a mold. People are so used to be told what to do instead of just doing trial by error(not wanting to mess up). I would say this diet isnt something you have to do exactly. There are some general guidelines, but it seems even when people dont do it "right" they still get good results.
 
Agreed. It definitely does seem tailored to specific physiological differences between people which is excellent, but when he contradicts the basic scientific reasoning behind why the protocol works I go insane. I'll try a cleaner backload with rice etc as you recommended, but since he states the importance of a quick drop in insulin I'm going to play around with something like commercial granola for the later part of my rest day backloads. As someone who knows intimately the shame of being a fat sack of garbage in my past, I'm pretty damn nervous. Incredible deadlift, by the way. Your strength is goddamn impressive.
 
Agreed. It definitely does seem tailored to specific physiological differences between people which is excellent, but when he contradicts the basic scientific reasoning behind why the protocol works I go insane. I'll try a cleaner backload with rice etc as you recommended, but since he states the importance of a quick drop in insulin I'm going to play around with something like commercial granola for the later part of my rest day backloads. As someone who knows intimately the shame of being a fat sack of garbage in my past, I'm pretty damn nervous. Incredible deadlift, by the way. Your strength is goddamn impressive.

I dont follow all the podcasts too much so I miss out on some of the confusion I guess haha. I suggest jasmine rice if you havent tried it. An easy clean meal I like is pot roast with sweet potatoes and carrots over jasmine rice. Lots of quick carbs with some protein. For that I would suggest shoulder meat since it is leaner. I dont know how quck the granola would be to be honest.

It seems like allows fat kids a little room for error. I have never been super fat, but I never considered myself someone who handled carbs well. Dont try to over think it too much. I really like some sorbet for back loads. Doesnt bloat me up and it is easy to just keep eating it.

Thanks, deadlift is definitely my baby. Trying to get my squat up. Bench could use some work too.

Do you ever vist the DH forum? I signed up for the 531 VS Shockwave Protocol challenge. Hoping to get the workout soon. Really want to start on Monday if possible. In fact I am going to workout today with the idea I will be able to start on Monday.
 
Yeah, I see what you mean regarding the diet's variability. I'm going to stick with it regardless and see what strength and composition changes occur before I make any real assessments. I'm just very, very nervous about putting on "bad" mass - though aesthetics are not nearly as important to me as strength increases, I'd never want to revisit my past for any reason and of course this type of eating is not exactly conventional wisdom.

I check out DH pretty frequently, but truth be told I don't know if the Shockwave program is for me. From what I understand, it's more of a leaning while maintaining mass program as opposed to a true strength program. I'm enjoying 5/3/1 now but I can already tell I'm going to stall out sooner than expected, so I might have to make some training modifications. I do like the idea of the ELECT sets but being so focused on strength, I'm hesitant to change things up too much. I know you've been incorporating the ELECT reps while experimenting with 5/3/1 style training...what's your opinion so far?

Also, if you don't mind me asking, how far did you take your DL before you decided to go on cycle? I've always been kind of philosophically opposed to anabolic/PH aids, but this damn meniscus injury is really setting me back. Hope this question wasn't too invasive, Tom. Thanks again for all of the responses.
 
Yeah, I see what you mean regarding the diet's variability. I'm going to stick with it regardless and see what strength and composition changes occur before I make any real assessments. I'm just very, very nervous about putting on "bad" mass - though aesthetics are not nearly as important to me as strength increases, I'd never want to revisit my past for any reason and of course this type of eating is not exactly conventional wisdom.

I check out DH pretty frequently, but truth be told I don't know if the Shockwave program is for me. From what I understand, it's more of a leaning while maintaining mass program as opposed to a true strength program. I'm enjoying 5/3/1 now but I can already tell I'm going to stall out sooner than expected, so I might have to make some training modifications. I do like the idea of the ELECT sets but being so focused on strength, I'm hesitant to change things up too much. I know you've been incorporating the ELECT reps while experimenting with 5/3/1 style training...what's your opinion so far?

Also, if you don't mind me asking, how far did you take your DL before you decided to go on cycle? I've always been kind of philosophically opposed to anabolic/PH aids, but this damn meniscus injury is really setting me back. Hope this question wasn't too invasive, Tom. Thanks again for all of the responses.

Nice interested to hear what you think. I hear you about putting on the bad weight. My suggestion would be to record videos of yourself. Been doing that for myself. Makes it easier to see the difference without being able to hide as much as you can with pictures. This eating is so different, but it seems to work.

Ya I cant say I have gained all that much strength. At least it has been much harder to gauge. Did you do the whole training max 90%? I really think 531 should work great with CBL. Well I have been doing Shockwave as it is set up and then adding in an extra day of squat 531. So they havent been done together really. I do like the ELECT sets and see how they can help. Just have to make certain jumps in weights for each set.

Honestly when I first cycled my goal wasnt strength so much. It was back when I was lifting with a bodybuilder. Was younger than I should have been. I wouldnt really suggest cycling to get through an injury. If anything you are more likely to hurt yourself. When I started cycling when strength was my focus I was making 20 pound jumps weekly. I would say my deadlift max maybe 500 before I took something while training for strength. Hard to be sure though.

For some reason my right knee looks banged up. Got a nice looking bruise right on the knee cap. A little worried because it felt weird while working out today. When I used the ab wheel I definitely felt some pain. When I did my squats tonight I fell back a bit on my last rep. Felt pretty weird after that.

Ended up doing 350 for 10 reps tonight. Probably could have done another, but got off balance and decided that was enough. Then I did 5 sets of 10. Started with 205 but decided to just used 185. In between sets I used the ab wheel for 3 sets of 10. Then I finished with the ab wheel I supersetted with lying leg curls. Ended up doing 5 sets of 10 with leg curls.
 
Sounds pretty good still contemplating the jump to this. Only issue I have with it is keeping this stuff in the house when others are not doing this diet. I will get leaner while the rest of my family plumps up.

I was looking at his sample diet for a day and he was having stuff I thought was completely off limits during that part of the day. Almonds, almond butter, strawberries, all of these things contain carbs...

So the diet says to get in about 500 grams of carbs is that supposed to all be done just before bed? Here is how I might incorporate this into my intermittent fasting window. Let me know your thoughts.

Wake - Aminos + 20grams, 30 minutes later lift. Post workout 20 grams aminos again. 10 grams aminos 1 or 2 more times before I actually have a fast breaking meal.

Fast Breaker Noon -1:00PM = 100+ grams of protein and whatever fat comes along with it. If low fat supplement a little fat via almonds, nut butters, or something like EVCO.

Mid Day Meal - 3:00-4:00PM after doing 100 push ups, 100 Jump squats or Squat thrusts begin Carb Back Loading phase - consume 100-150 grams protein and 500 gram carbs between the beginning of this meal and 8:00PM. Will typically be a 4 hour carb feed.

Non Training Days
Wake up do cardio, break fast between Noon and 5:00PM depending on when I need to eat. Get in at least 200 grams of protein and 60-90 grams fat, total carbs between 50-100g including fiber, and 25-75g if not counting fiber.
 
Sounds pretty good still contemplating the jump to this. Only issue I have with it is keeping this stuff in the house when others are not doing this diet. I will get leaner while the rest of my family plumps up.

I was looking at his sample diet for a day and he was having stuff I thought was completely off limits during that part of the day. Almonds, almond butter, strawberries, all of these things contain carbs...

So the diet says to get in about 500 grams of carbs is that supposed to all be done just before bed? Here is how I might incorporate this into my intermittent fasting window. Let me know your thoughts.

Wake - Aminos + 20grams, 30 minutes later lift. Post workout 20 grams aminos again. 10 grams aminos 1 or 2 more times before I actually have a fast breaking meal.

Fast Breaker Noon -1:00PM = 100+ grams of protein and whatever fat comes along with it. If low fat supplement a little fat via almonds, nut butters, or something like EVCO.

Mid Day Meal - 3:00-4:00PM after doing 100 push ups, 100 Jump squats or Squat thrusts begin Carb Back Loading phase - consume 100-150 grams protein and 500 gram carbs between the beginning of this meal and 8:00PM. Will typically be a 4 hour carb feed.

Non Training Days
Wake up do cardio, break fast between Noon and 5:00PM depending on when I need to eat. Get in at least 200 grams of protein and 60-90 grams fat, total carbs between 50-100g including fiber, and 25-75g if not counting fiber.

Honestly you might be better off sticking to what you are doing. It sure seems to be working for you. Plus it would be easier on your family. This works for me because it doesnt really effect anyone else.
 
Alright time for some posting. Decided to change the workout schedule. Will see if it stays this way or not. The whole doing chest on Monday in a typical fitness center isnt cool. Everyone is doing chest.

Start off with incline ELECT and then decline ELECT. 225 got heavy on incline and 245 got heavy on decline. Definitely seems to make a difference when it is one continuous set.

Did DB pullovers with 95 pounds which I swear is more than usual.

Decided to do flat bench pause press. Got conned into trying 315 again. Got the first rep but needed help with the 2nd one AGAIN. Basically defeating the purpose of this set. Then tried to rep out 275 to figure out my "max." Only got 4 reps with 275. Really not good with reps haha. Then did 225 for 10 reps followed by 3 negatives.

Lat pull downs with fat gripz. Ended up doing 3 sets of 8 with 200 and 210. Slowly working my way up on this. Grip is becoming less of an issue.

BB curl ELECT with fat gripz. My forearms took a beating. Didnt notice my biceps as much to be honest.

Then it was supposed to be close grip chin ups. Asked this trio of little douche bags how many sets they had left. They said one so we figured we would wait. It seriously felt like 15 minutes of waiting. They were doing some kind of cable crossover for chest. Did HIGH(had to be like 30 reps) rep drop sets. Your typical teenage want to be who might weigh 150 with maybe a little definition so they HAVE to wear shirts cut down to the bottom on the sides. I had to walk away before I said something to them. They finally finish then we knock our sets out in a minute.

Hammer curls with fat gripz, ended up having to uses 40s and it was much easier. Definitely seem to be getting the benefits on my grip.

Tricep rope ext with fat gripz, 3 sets of 8 heavy.

So fat I have had half a pizza(large), 15oz of low fat chocolate milk, and some cinnamon bun. Not sure how many carbs but I would guess in the 300 range. The cinnamon bun is pure carb basically.
 
Tuesday ended up being another good leg day. Getting more used to sumos. Might actually get around to doing them some time.

Had to do hack squats ELECT before squats ELECT. Got through the hack squats. Ended up stopping at 375 for squats. Really seems to be hard to make "progress" on these.

Seemed to be getting more out of seated leg curls ELECT. Actually adding a bit of weight slowly though.

Stiff leg deadlifts decided to go up to 235. Making this a slow and steady progression(5 pounds a month).

Ran out of time so just did 3 sets of 8 on calf press.
 
Didnt do core on the 4th of July. Today was shoulders and triceps.

Got up to 155 on ELECT military press. Felt real awkward today to be honest.

Up right row ELECT after this the shoulders swelled up.

DB lateral raise with fat gripz. Felt damn near impossible with the fat gripz.

Ended up doing standing press 531 style: 115*5,135*5,165*9. This girl was stretching next to us while we did this. I am sure she was a little worried about flying weights haha.

Decided to do pin press since we were already there. All sets for 3 reps each one of us going no rest in between: 135,185,225,255,275,295

Dips 3 sets of 10 with 45 pounds added(at least 280 pounds haha).

Concentration curls, decided to use fat gripz and do 3 sets of 6 with 50.

Decided to do a little extra. Cluster sets of 5 reps on a plate loaded shoulder press(115 in each hand). I think I managed to do 6 rounds.
Then we tried to do reverse pec deck. Afterwards both of our right shoulders felt weird. So I ended up doing 3 sets of 12 with face pulls.

So far I have had some rice with pot roast meat, big cup of cherries, 2 pieces of fudge, and cinnamon buns.
 
Honestly you might be better off sticking to what you are doing. It sure seems to be working for you. Plus it would be easier on your family. This works for me because it doesnt really effect anyone else.

Thanks for your honestly Tom! I decided to do somewhat of a mash up of the 2 things. Since I workout fasted in the morning any time I eat my carbs is back loading. I am going to keep my burn days as burn days and limit carbs to less than 75 grams that is including fiber. On Build days I will break my fast at the normal time but will take in 500 grams of carbs throughout the feeding window. This will allow me to have some of the benefit of the higher carbs and me to get in the more "unhealthy" carbs here at work away from the family and children. Hitting up 350 or so on that fast breaker should do it pretty nicely. I will also supplement with berberine before the feeding which should retard the glut4 reaction in the fat cells in the same way that exercise induced glut4 translocation does. Combining the two philosophies should work pretty well. They both champion keeping insulin levels low first part of the day and eating more carbs in the afternoon and or evening.
 
Thanks for your honestly Tom! I decided to do somewhat of a mash up of the 2 things. Since I workout fasted in the morning any time I eat my carbs is back loading. I am going to keep my burn days as burn days and limit carbs to less than 75 grams that is including fiber. On Build days I will break my fast at the normal time but will take in 500 grams of carbs throughout the feeding window. This will allow me to have some of the benefit of the higher carbs and me to get in the more "unhealthy" carbs here at work away from the family and children. Hitting up 350 or so on that fast breaker should do it pretty nicely. I will also supplement with berberine before the feeding which should retard the glut4 reaction in the fat cells in the same way that exercise induced glut4 translocation does. Combining the two philosophies should work pretty well. They both champion keeping insulin levels low first part of the day and eating more carbs in the afternoon and or evening.

Well the whole idea is to eat carbs later in the day no matter when you lift. Either way I hope it works out for you. Obviously you can do a hell of a lot.

Fudge, oh my god!!!! I'd kill for a cheeseburger :).

Sent from my iPhone using Am.com

It honestly was just ok. Was a bit sweet. A little change of pace. Ya I need to find a good bun to have burgers. Hopefully I will get some grilled food tomorrow. Planning on going to a pool party/UFC night.

Looking like I will be hitting back solo tonight. Back is definitely my favorite workout, but it sucks big ones doing the ELECT deadlift part by yourself. Should be a little easier with 35s and 25s. Maybe I can con someone into loading the plates for me again haha.
 
The workout last night took a while. Ended up doing a bit more. Plus talked a little bit. Which ended up not being too bad. Turns out my workout partner Mario is going to be leaving sooner than he thought. So I will be left working out by myself soon.

ELECT deadlifts(sets of 3) 225,315,385,455,505 Couldnt do the 3rd rep with 505. This is the most I have tried.

ELECT BB rows 135,185,225,245,265 Definitely seems to be a better progression. Still starting a bit heavy though.

Close grip lat pull downs: 210 felt good and heavy. Feels like my grip got worked last night.

ELECT BB shrugs: cant seem to really make this work for me. Has to be a better way.

ELECT High pull wide grip row: Didnt use the fat gripz and it made a world of difference.

Bent over reverse DB fly with fat gripz: Used 30s and got a nice workout.

Ended up doing 531 deadlift here. Ended up being a bad idea to be honest. Lifted for too long and I was far too beaten down by now. Fnished with 475 for 7 which is an estimated max of only 585. I was working off a training max of 555.

Finished the workout with flat DB press with 50s for 38 reps. Wanted to get 2 more but it just wasnt happening.

Today I am going to see The Dictator with Rachel. Then I plan on lifting squat 531. I have some pot roast cooking for dinner. Then go to a pool party/UFC night.
 
Just a quick workout update: Squat 531 boring but big

285 for 3
330 for 3
370 for 11= estimated max of 505!

Squats:
5 sets of 10 reps with 205. Only used belt on last set.

Lying leg curls:
5 sets of 10 reps with 100 pounds
 
Alright so the movie went well. Things seem to be going well with Rachel. She definitely seems into me. Hopefully see her again next weekend.

So today was a bit weird. I commented on my best friend Chris facebook status. This girl was basically giving him her number in the comment section. She liked my post and then sent me a friend request. I say hey and then she basically says it has been a long time since we talked. Which to be honest the only time I can recall talking to her was when I was on a date with another girl and she was our server. That might been like 4 years ago. Anyway we got to talking and flirting a bit. I am supposed to go swimming at her house tomorrow.

Thought it was pretty facking weird so I decided to share.

Still waiting on the new workout. It sucks having to wait on other people. I have a feeling it might be awhile. Might go ahead and start the detox diet when I finish the carbs I have. Supposed to help with some aches and what not. My knees have been bothering me a bit even though I did so well on squats.
 
Alright so the movie went well. Things seem to be going well with Rachel. She definitely seems into me. Hopefully see her again next weekend.

So today was a bit weird. I commented on my best friend Chris facebook status. This girl was basically giving him her number in the comment section. She liked my post and then sent me a friend request. I say hey and then she basically says it has been a long time since we talked. Which to be honest the only time I can recall talking to her was when I was on a date with another girl and she was our server. That might been like 4 years ago. Anyway we got to talking and flirting a bit. I am supposed to go swimming at her house tomorrow.

Thought it was pretty facking weird so I decided to share.

Still waiting on the new workout. It sucks having to wait on other people. I have a feeling it might be awhile. Might go ahead and start the detox diet when I finish the carbs I have. Supposed to help with some aches and what not. My knees have been bothering me a bit even though I did so well on squats.

Go getter:) lol
 
JudgementDay said:
Go getter:) lol

I agree! If you hit it off make sure you pursue it bro! Don't let a good thing slip away and then have to regret it!
 
Go getter:) lol

I agree! If you hit it off make sure you pursue it bro! Don't let a good thing slip away and then have to regret it!

I mean I am going just feels a bit odd haha.

Also kind of funny, but she "liked" an old facebook pic. It was from 2007. In that pic I was probably 180ish. Right now I am definitely over 230 haha. So she might be in for a surprise. I know another female made the mistake of thinking it was a recent pic haha.

Also I got selected for an Eviscerate Smolder log.

 
Had fun at the pool. Going to shower and slam some carbs then go watch a movie with her. Did get a bit too much sun. I can feel the burn haha.

Workout went damn good. Had to push through it pretty quick which was a good thing. Got everything done in a little over an hour(chest and biceps).

Changed the weight progression on Incline(95,135,165,195,225) and Decline(135,185,225,255,275). Still trying to figure the weights out a bit more.

Didnt use the fat gripz at all today. Wanted to make sure things moved faster. I KILLED some ELECT BB curls. I cant remember a time when they felt so good. Really seemed to get the most out of them today. Still hard as hell to move this extra weight on ELECT close grip chin ups. Did hammer curls with 45s today and it was much easier without the fat gripz haha. Finished with 4 sets of heavy(8 reps) rope tricep ext.
 
You're an absolute inspiration to your fellow CBLers, Tom. Keep those posts coming.

Thanks man I appreciate it. It is funny to post stuff on Facebook and people are like "WTF" haha.

I should be starting the Eviscerate Smolder log soon. Going to be interesting to see how that works with this nice sun burn. Got the most on my shoulders and all.

Probably going to go hang out with Brittney again tomorrow night haha.
 
Good updates, hope the detox help out!
 
Good updates, hope the detox help out!

I am not going to start it yet. Just got some more carb goodies today. Might start it next week or so.

Decided to test out an OLD bottle of Eviscerate. Put it on my quads and hamstrings. It will be an interesting workout for sure.

Wont be hanging out with Brittney tonight so it is a good night to try this out.
 
Back
Top