To Infinity.... and Beyond!

Resolve10 said:
I’d just be careful not to turn any of those sets of “touching” heavy weight into excuses to push it further than you should. Many training descriptors are really just ways to relay intention and information, but no matter how many times you can do the same weight in later sets if you can’t do it twice you won’t find anyone else who’d consider that an rpe 7. If that’s what feels like a “7” I’d just be afraid you’ll push that kind of work too far and defeat the purpose.

Just some caution due to the narratives you seem to build for yourself. You don’t need over max weight in your hands with the slingshot to progress, you don’t have to work heavier before your actual work sets to make progress, you won’t immediately slide backwards because you’ve added some cardio, etc., unless you’ve convinced yourself before you even do it that you will.

I hope you consistently stick with a variation like the Spoto press and keep progressing it and/or follow the advice to do some 5x5 or an actual progression like Hyde recommended instead of just randomly throwing things in for awhile, if you do I have no doubt you’ll make some progress.
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Solid advice!
 
Resolve10 said:
I’d just be careful not to turn any of those sets of “touching” heavy weight into excuses to push it further than you should. Many training descriptors are really just ways to relay intention and information, but no matter how many times you can do the same weight in later sets if you can’t do it twice you won’t find anyone else who’d consider that an rpe 7. If that’s what feels like a “7” I’d just be afraid you’ll push that kind of work too far and defeat the purpose.

Just some caution due to the narratives you seem to build for yourself. You don’t need over max weight in your hands with the slingshot to progress, you don’t have to work heavier before your actual work sets to make progress, you won’t immediately slide backwards because you’ve added some cardio, etc., unless you’ve convinced yourself before you even do it that you will.

I hope you consistently stick with a variation like the Spoto press and keep progressing it and/or follow the advice to do some 5x5 or an actual progression like Hyde recommended instead of just randomly throwing things in for awhile, if you do I have no doubt you’ll make some progress.
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Yes, I cannot stress enough how important it is that the overwarmup just be a quick, crisp, non-psyched warmup single with a touch more weight than the real work.

You should be able to have it in or out of the program on any given week, and see no appreciable impact to recovery or rate of progress either way. It is just to help the days training weights feel a bit crisper/manageable - if it is fatiguing, you’re missing the point.
 
Leg press
5 sets of 10-20

Squats
5 x 135, 175, 205, 225
6 x 245
10 x 135

Ez bar curls
5 x 15 x 60lbs

Leg ext
3 x 10

Leg curls
3 x 10


Cardio
No time, gotta prep for 4th BBQ.

Notes
Weight 194.6
Lifting belt easily on second hole today for the first time since like Feb

Schedule looks like I won't be in the gym again till Sunday so added in some accessory arm work.

Work really kicking my ass this week, pretty much 5am to bed time with any spare time spent showing the boat we are selling. Had a chance to get in today and worked into it a little gingerly with that left foot about 90% recovered. Things felt so slow and tight but woke up as leg press got moving. Kinda low energy grind

Running All Out Ultra today, a weighed out 24g seems to be about a scoop and 1/4th or so and I'm sweating like a pig as if I was using Sweat. Lol
 
If the pain is in the arch, I have had some luck temporarily pushing more through my heels when that happens so I can still push legs, of course it shifts the focus a little to more hip and glute, but could also allow you to heel more by not stressing the arch too much while it is healing up.
 
MrKleen73 said:
If the pain is in the arch, I have had some luck temporarily pushing more through my heels when that happens so I can still push legs, of course it shifts the focus a little to more hip and glute, but could also allow you to heel more by not stressing the arch too much while it is healing up.
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I have seen people put 5lb plates under the heels….what if… you put 2and1/2lb plates under your toes to keep you back on your heels?
For instance, when I do SLDL, I tend to bend the knee too much and take emphasis off the ham. I have stall mats on my garage floor so if I walk the weight back and have my heels on the concrete it keeps me in the position I want to be in. Forces me to keep knees just “broken” and not locked and that way I feel the emphasis much more on my hams


This is for a squat so maybe too wonky of an idea. 🤷‍♂️
 
PolishHamm3r77 said:
I have seen people put 5lb plates under the heels….what if… you put 2and1/2lb plates under your toes to keep you back on your heels?
For instance, when I do SLDL, I tend to bend the knee too much and take emphasis off the ham. I have stall mats on my garage floor so if I walk the weight back and have my heels on the concrete it keeps me in the position I want to be in. Forces me to keep knees just “broken” and not locked and that way I feel the emphasis much more on my hams


This is for a squat so maybe too wonky of an idea. 🤷‍♂️
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Well as for his feet, I think that would put a hell of a stretch on them so probably not good while suffering with arch pain. Otherwise if it cues you and makes it easier for you to do the work with better stimulation then I would use it. It is just so easy to push through your heels without any type of modification, I have never really put much thought into it.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Well as for his feet, I think that would put a hell of a stretch on them so probably not good while suffering with arch pain. Otherwise if it cues you and makes it easier for you to do the work with better stimulation then I would use it. It is just so easy to push through your heels without any type of modification, I have never really put much thought into it.
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So maybe if I 86 the 6 inch stilettos I wouldn’t be overthinking it???👠👠
 
Bench
10 x 95, 135
5 x 175, 205, 225
2 x 5 x 245

CGBP
2 x 8 x 185

Tricep extensions
2 x 15

Machine dips
2 x 10

Pec deck
2 x 15

Rushed Sunday session with the boy. In and out in about 35 minutes.

Stepdaughter drove up this week from California with her boyfriend so the past 4 days have been hectic to say the least...

Somehow we end up being the host house for every bbq, 4th of July etc lol.
 
MrKleen73 said:
If the pain is in the arch, I have had some luck temporarily pushing more through my heels when that happens so I can still push legs, of course it shifts the focus a little to more hip and glute, but could also allow you to heel more by not stressing the arch too much while it is healing up.
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Back around 2015 I developed plantar issues that I finally healed with Sauconys (after trying multiple show and insert combos ) not too long after I found that wearing flat cheap sandals caused foot pain which is a bummer cause I am the type to wear sandals from May till October. So now days when the wife and I travel I throw my dad pads (Sauconys) in the suitcase. I'm but a pair of cargo pants and a fanny pack away from becoming a middle aged meme


Last year I treated myself to some new golf shoes called Trues. The shoes I wanted are like $350. These were like $129 and the cheapest ones in the entire damn store but had great reviews. They were fine for carting, and when I walked Chambers Bay a few times (about 7.5miles of walking golf) everything hurt, but I didn't seem foot specific.

A couple weeks ago walking an easier/shorter course triggered this arch issue and the best solution always seems to be the Sauconys. (And time/rest)

I'll probably end up trying inserts again at least temporarily but not being able to walk the course is a bummer cause that was my cheat code for 4+hrs of LISS cardio.....

Today the left foot is a little sore but I think it's because I've spent the last couple days in my "work shoes" (old Sauconys no longer gym worthy) just doing a shitload of house/yard work prepping for the stepdaughters return and the number of BBQs we threw this week.


On the plus side, I'm meeting a dude today to sign the title of the boat over to him, collect some cash and close a chapter of life. I hate seeing the boat go away but I'm immensely grateful for a slightly less hectic lifestyle for a while!!
 
Regarding the single training:
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Haven’t been able to finish getting caught up so I don’t know where the discussion landed, but thought this was interesting since this article is pretty new and relevant to the discussion.
 
Boyfriend came to visit for 4 days, selling the boat…. Sounds like a episode of sopranos 😂

Just joking man, just thought it was funny!
 
akboom87 said:
Boyfriend came to visit for 4 days, selling the boat…. Sounds like a episode of sopranos 😂

Just joking man, just thought it was funny!
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LOL Solid reference. I actually like this kid a lot. They're going to basically use our place as HQ while they're up here, head off to Mt Rainier to hike the Wonderland Trail and explore some other local stuff. it was fun to talk to them about it cause essentially they'll be exploring my child hood stomping grounds. Now the boyfriend of the other stepdaughter... we just sorta keep hoping there is an expiration date there...
 
Warm up - empty bb
RDLs, power cleans, curls, OHP

Deads
10 x 135, 185, 225, 275

Pull-ups
10, 8, 8

Superset with
BB rows
3 x 10 x 135

Ez bar curls
3 x 12

Superset with
Rear delt swings
3 x 12

T bar rows
3 x 10

Superset with
Seated incline DB curls
3 x 10

Lat pull downs
3 x 10+

Cardio
Row - 2000m




Notes
Energy and mojo down a bit but this should be my last hectic week for a while. I have four consecutive usable days then we head out for annual boys fishing trip Thursday morning.
 
Dustin07 said:
Warm up - empty bb
RDLs, power cleans, curls, OHP

Deads
10 x 135, 185, 225, 275

Pull-ups
10, 8, 8

Superset with
BB rows
3 x 10 x 135

Ez bar curls
3 x 12

Superset with
Rear delt swings
3 x 12

T bar rows
3 x 10

Superset with
Seated incline DB curls
3 x 10

Lat pull downs
3 x 10+

Cardio
Row - 2000m




Notes
Energy and mojo down a bit but this should be my last hectic week for a while. I have four consecutive usable days then we head out for annual boys fishing trip Thursday morning.
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What kind of fishing? You going deep sea?
 
gphagan1 said:
What kind of fishing? You going deep sea?
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na, that stuff is ironically a bit harder to put together and I honestly don't enjoy it near as much. We have done Salmon charters out of westport and Seattle, and Halibut up north out of Seiku. My wifes uncle (our neighbor) and aunt are going up to BC in Sept for another halibut charter. I find them to be sorta like cattle herding. I don't really like being stuck on someone elses boat with their gear and their schedule...

we head to the east side of the state to target Walleye in the desert heat, great eating, fun to catch and we often catch the random catfish, trout, or bass to keep the day interesting. take the boat in whenever we want, BBQ, play cards at night. We don't catch hundreds of lbs of expensive halibut but spend a little less money for more guys (and kids) and it's super flexible.

the place we stay at calls itself a "resort" but it's a camping facility. They do have a playground, mini golf, and a nice sandy beach to entertain the kids as well though. I've been taking my son there since he was 6, and when we were kids dad took us there as well. from past years:


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My wife's uncle when we did a halibut trip together a few years back (wow, pre-covid I think even, so I guess it's been longer than I realized.)

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That was an awesome 3-4hr ride west into the Pacific Ocean past the furthest tip of WA. the rollers I ****-you-not as I recall were like 20ft+. you just slowly go up, see Canada and WA on the horizon to the North and South, then dip down into the trough and see nothing but walls of water all around you. it was incredible and a lot of fun.

then we get out to "the shelf" where there are already a couple dozen boats. everyone pretty much kills their motors and drops their lines there to fish. the seas were confused, not rocky at all, but swirly like your legs were your gyroscope. it came on without a moments notice, the very second my weight hit the ocean floor I blew massive chunks overboard. At first, as a boater, I felt pretty crappy (am I even a man??). Then the captain comes running out back and blows right beside me, puking everywhere. By the end of the day, everyone on the boat had thrown up 😅😅😅 even my uncle who was a stunt pilot admitted to being sick haha.

it wasn't even rough seas! not scary in the least, but the ocean movement below you was like being on a tire swing going in circles for 12 hours
 
Dustin07 said:
na, that stuff is ironically a bit harder to put together and I honestly don't enjoy it near as much. We have done Salmon charters out of westport and Seattle, and Halibut up north out of Seiku. My wifes uncle (our neighbor) and aunt are going up to BC in Sept for another halibut charter. I find them to be sorta like cattle herding. I don't really like being stuck on someone elses boat with their gear and their schedule...

we head to the east side of the state to target Walleye in the desert heat, great eating, fun to catch and we often catch the random catfish, trout, or bass to keep the day interesting. take the boat in whenever we want, BBQ, play cards at night. We don't catch hundreds of lbs of expensive halibut but spend a little less money for more guys (and kids) and it's super flexible.

the place we stay at calls itself a "resort" but it's a camping facility. They do have a playground, mini golf, and a nice sandy beach to entertain the kids as well though. I've been taking my son there since he was 6, and when we were kids dad took us there as well. from past years:


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Awesome, sounds like a great time. My wife and I love to go up in the Blue Ridge Mountains, here in Georgia and trout fish in the streams, and we have a lot of lakes that we love to go to as well. It’s just always a great way to unwind and we always have a blast. We’ve been deep sea fishing a few times, in Florida, and enjoyed that too, and I think everyone that has been out on the ocean has gotten sea sick at least once. But we do enjoy our home state fishing more than deep sea. Half the time it’s just enjoying the scenery and having time to hang out with each other.
 
gphagan1 said:
But we do enjoy our home state fishing more than deep sea. Half the time it’s just enjoying the scenery and having time to hang out with each other.
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totally agree with all of that. every time we travel I talk about getting a fishing charter and never do. ONE time, I did get on a locals boat and went spear fishing down in the Caribbean off Isla Mujeres. It was interesting/fun, but it was also sorta a time suck where I was again stuck on someone elses boat for half the day instead of back at the resort hanging with my wife. I 100% prefer trout fishing the locals lakes vs big charters...
 
Bench
2 x 10 x 95
10 x 135
5 x 175, 205
1 x 235, 255, 275
3 x 5 x 245
10 x 215
20 x 135 (wide grip, spotto with pause)

Laterals
3 x 10 x 30s

Superset with
Machine dips
3 x 12

Tricep cable pull downs
3 sets to failure

Tricep cable push downs
3 sets to failure

Machine flies
5 x 12

Cardio
Row - 2000m

Notes
Weight 194
Couldn't find a single 2.5lb plate in the whole gym so repeated 245lbs and added a set.

That 135 set of Spottos blew me up nicely. Awesome wide pec pump. They werent going to be Spottos, it just felt good in the moment so I went with it.

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Bench
2 x 10 x 95
10 x 135
5 x 175, 205
1 x 235, 255, 275
3 x 5 x 245
10 x 215
20 x 135 (wide grip, spotto with pause)

Laterals
3 x 10 x 30s

Superset with
Machine dips
3 x 12

Tricep cable pull downs
3 sets to failure

Tricep cable push downs
3 sets to failure

Machine flies
5 x 12

Cardio
Row - 2000m

Notes
Weight 194
Couldn't find a single 2.5lb plate in the whole gym so repeated 245lbs and added a set.

That 135 set of Spottos blew me up nicely. Awesome wide pec pump. They were going to be Spottos, it just felt good in the moment so I went with it.

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Nice workout before your trip….enjoy, hopefully you’ll have some good luck and reel in a few.😎
 
gphagan1 said:
Nice workout before your trip….enjoy, hopefully you’ll have some good luck and reel in a few.😎
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chillin' on the boat, listening to the bluetooth tunes, soaking in the 100f desert rays, catching a tan.
Fish tacos at night, card games at night with my dad and brother (rummy), maybe a couple of drinks. should be a great time.
 
Squats
10 x bar, 135
5 x 185, 205, 225, 245
10 x 185
3 x 10 x 135

Back extensions (bear hug 25lb plate)
3 x 10+

Leg ext
5 x 10

Leg curls
5 x 10

Adductor machine
3 x 20

Cardio
Row - 2000m
Bike - 10min LISS





Notes
In my haste to get the car cleaned out from camping and get gym back fully loaded for the week I left my belt at home, so kept squats relatively light and focused on overall lower volume.

Those 10s at 135 felt crazy good. 135 isn't saying much but they were fast and clean. Everything just seemed better than usual.
 
PolishHamm3r77 said:
Relaxitation rebooted your mojo Brotatochip
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I literally like 5 minutes ago or less texted my wife and said I'm about 95% ready to go full hardcore on this cut with her. I said "my gym mojo feels like it's coming back" haha.

weighed in at a low of like 193 before the trip. weighed in at 198 this morning. Obviously a monday morning weigh in after a loose weekend doesn't mean much until I figure out how much water retention is there. But the gym mirrors were very complimentary. I did eat semi-freely over the weekend, a few light beers etc, but generally speaking I ran IF so I skipped breakfast and lunch when the guys ate, then I ended up cooking up the walleye fish tacos, etc. for dinner. The calories, carbs, and sodium served me well in todays session, zero doubt.

I always see Fridays as my true weigh in day to find what progress (or lack thereof) I made for the week. If I'm living an 80/20 lifestyle then my 20 comes on the weekend for sure. With my wife's cut (who is already seeing progress only 8 or 9 days in) she is allowed one great cheat day basically for every 7 days that she is compliant. So that could work really well for us both.

We are still planning on having our date nights since we can hit our favorite dive bar and simply order green salad + steak or green salad + salmon with ice tea, (or often times diet coke for me). And what's interesting is two very nice meals like that comes out to like $30. if we were to have drinks on that same date the alcohol portion cost more than the food (and the alcohol often would lead to adding a side of tots, lol)
 
Wow, he gives her a whole free day, I can only assume this is not truly a free day. It would be so easy to destroy a deficit in a full day of loose eating. Of course I am sure you all will still work to control intake somewhat on those days as well. Just surprised they are giving a whole day, but they may know your wife isn't going to ruin herself on her free day too. Some people need more guidance and others realized a free day should be enjoyable but no gluttony should be had.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Wow, he gives her a whole free day, I can only assume this is not truly a free day. It would be so easy to destroy a deficit in a full day of loose eating. Of course I am sure you all will still work to control intake somewhat on those days as well. Just surprised they are giving a whole day, but they may know your wife isn't going to ruin herself on her free day too. Some people need more guidance and others realized a free day should be enjoyable but no gluttony should be had.
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That was my thought when I read it. You can be free to structure it how you see fit, but you can blow a diet in a single cheat meal even if you don’t set some parameters even.

Justin Harris has a story where he gave Dave Tate something like a 2-hour window for a cheat meal at the end of his high day. He smashed a full bbq rib dinner, ate an entire deep fried blooming onion with sauce, an entire bag of Oreos along with a pint of icecream or something stupid totaling like 6,000+ calories in 120 minutes (after eating lots of carbs already that day). He gained fat that week.

So the moral is, don’t be like Dave
 
MrKleen73 said:
Wow, he gives her a whole free day, I can only assume this is not truly a free day. It would be so easy to destroy a deficit in a full day of loose eating. Of course I am sure you all will still work to control intake somewhat on those days as well. Just surprised they are giving a whole day, but they may know your wife isn't going to ruin herself on her free day too. Some people need more guidance and others realized a free day should be enjoyable but no gluttony should be had.
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No no, I misspoke, I went back and reread her PDF it's a meal. It's really a "reset meal" but we are using the term cheat. All the cheat has to be had within an hour time frame. It can include alcohol as well, but you only have 1hr to pound a fifth.
 
Hyde said:
Justin Harris has a story where he gave Dave Tate something like a 2-hour window for a cheat meal at the end of his high day. He smashed a full bbq rib dinner, ate an entire deep fried blooming onion with sauce, an entire bag of Oreos along with a pint of icecream or something stupid totaling like 6,000+ calories in 120 minutes (after eating lots of carbs already that day). He gained fat that week.
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😅😅 sounds pretty awesome though, way to test that window 😅😅
 
Dustin07 said:
No no, I misspoke, I went back and reread her PDF it's a meal. It's really a "reset meal" but we are using the term cheat. All the cheat has to be had within an hour time frame. It can include alcohol as well, but you only have 1hr to pound a fifth.
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I have stopped using the term cheat meal for anything planned. It gives the wrong impression not only to others but myself. A cheat meal is when you break down, and go against the goals of your diet, messing it up. A refeed, reset, or free meal is a planned part of your nutritional program used for a specific purpose, so it is actually not cheating.
 
Bike - 15 min

Hang power cleans
10 x bar, 95, 115, 135
3 x 155, 175
5 x 195
10 x 135

DB Rows
3 x 10+

Superset with DB curls
3 x 12

Hammer strength iso lateral low rows
4 x 10

Rear delt swings
3 x 10+

Lat pull downs
3 x 12+
(Really focused on bottom contraction)

Row - 2000m
(Normally I do 250m for intervals. Today after the first 500m I just kept going and finished it. Feels like work/wind capacity is improving already)

Treadmill
10 minutes LISS/Incline
 
MrKleen73 said:
I have stopped using the term cheat meal for anything planned. It gives the wrong impression not only to others but myself. A cheat meal is when you break down, and go against the goals of your diet, messing it up. A refeed, reset, or free meal is a planned part of your nutritional program used for a specific purpose, so it is actually not cheating.
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I like that. Makes the goal of more calories more intentional/mindful.
 
Hyde said:
That was my thought when I read it. You can be free to structure it how you see fit, but you can blow a diet in a single cheat meal even if you don’t set some parameters even.

Justin Harris has a story where he gave Dave Tate something like a 2-hour window for a cheat meal at the end of his high day. He smashed a full bbq rib dinner, ate an entire deep fried blooming onion with sauce, an entire bag of Oreos along with a pint of icecream or something stupid totaling like 6,000+ calories in 120 minutes (after eating lots of carbs already that day). He gained fat that week.

So the moral is, don’t be like Dave
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No doubt. I can derail 6 days of work in 2 massive feedings let alone an entire cheat day.
 
PolishHamm3r77 said:
No doubt. I can derail 6 days of work in 2 massive feedings let alone an entire cheat day.
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Hell cheese and beer will do that to me lol. But in that case it's just water retention. Still, on a very clean diet if I bloat up 3-5lbs of water over the weekend it can take me until thursday/friday to see it burn off.
 
On a side note, the treadmill today was a test. Foot felt awesome. Towards the end I was tempted to open it up for a little run but opted to leave well enough alone.
 
Dustin07 said:
On a side note, the treadmill today was a test. Foot felt awesome. Towards the end I was tempted to open it up for a little run but opted to leave well enough alone.
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This was smart - now you can assess over the next day or so. If it feels good, you know you can start pushing it more. If not, you won’t have set yourself back as far.
 
Congrats on the improvement in your foot. I agree with you and Hyde it was the smart thing to just let it ride instead of pushing harder.
 
Hyde said:
This was smart - now you can assess over the next day or so. If it feels good, you know you can start pushing it more. If not, you won’t have set yourself back as far.
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Congrats on the improvement in your foot. I agree with you and Hyde it was the smart thing to just let it ride instead of pushing harder.
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Totally agree. My sauconys appear to be in good shape, but I think I'm going to order another fresh pair before I risk pushing the foot too hard. Between broken bones, torn ligaments, torn rotator cuff and whatever other injuries I've had over the year, the worst is a toss up between that plantar fasciitis and back injury back in 2016. in some ways I think the foot injury was worse because it's hard to rest/heal, and the back I learned that pretty much anytime it flares up for me RDLs always cure it. Definitely need feet. lol

Weighed in at 193.4 today so weekend water retention is gone. I'm going to find some fasting opportunities on rest days, continue finding cardio opportunities and see if I can push this number down to about 189 by Aug 1, then switch gears to a nutrition plan that is in alignment with what my wife's coach is doing for her.

Putting together my supplement stack ideas for Aug/Sept.
Ordered Iron Mag Gear Cream per Kleen's advice (and his mentioning of @Hyde's enjoying it, plus me finding @SkRaw85 's log on it). I'm a little torn on what to stack with it though. thinking of adding blood pressure support XT, maybe XPG Carnitine, but the rest of the stuff I'm thinking about grabbing would be more for post cycle PCT like additional Alpha Gel, Optimize T, and possibly Anabolic XT + Phosphatidic Acid XT.
 
Dustin07 said:
Totally agree. My sauconys appear to be in good shape, but I think I'm going to order another fresh pair before I risk pushing the foot too hard. Between broken bones, torn ligaments, torn rotator cuff and whatever other injuries I've had over the year, the worst is a toss up between that plantar fasciitis and back injury back in 2016. in some ways I think the foot injury was worse because it's hard to rest/heal, and the back I learned that pretty much anytime it flares up for me RDLs always cure it. Definitely need feet. lol

Weighed in at 193.4 today so weekend water retention is gone. I'm going to find some fasting opportunities on rest days, continue finding cardio opportunities and see if I can push this number down to about 189 by Aug 1, then switch gears to a nutrition plan that is in alignment with what my wife's coach is doing for her.
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Sounds like a good plan, taking things down into the lean zone for a bit eh. Seems you have been struggling with finding that balance, a good solid cut getting you pretty lean / ripped then some clean bulking with mini-cuts along the way sounds like a good idea for you and your preference for aesthetics as well as strength.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Seems you have been struggling with finding that balance, a good solid cut getting you pretty lean / ripped then some clean bulking with mini-cuts along the way sounds like a good idea for you and your preference for aesthetics as well as strength.
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I think it's time. putting on size definitely had positive reaction from my wife, she's even said "just don't lose the pecs and arms" lol. There is probably a part of me dealing with dysmorphia living with a woman who is constantly complaining about being fat, who quite frankly, is not fat, lol. I think you hear that enough and start to think "****... if she thinks she's fat then I'm morbidly obese". There is also the fact that I have not truly cut since COVID, like 2020 or 2021 and I think I need to prove to myself that I CAN cut post "bulk". although I never really called it a bulk. I was strength focused, ate for strength, and gained the correlating 20lbs that took me to a number of PRs. Lastly, I do miss that feeling of hitting the beach or pool and knowing nobody there is better conditioned than me, lol.

The fact that I'm down 10lbs so far (honestly 14lbs from peak) and people like my golf coach still talk about how huge and muscular/bulky I am makes me think that I could hold a fair amount of my new lean mass as I cut down but I truly have no idea what to expect. looking at myself at 193, I am hoping a 10lb drop reflects good progress but I'm guessing it's 15lbs to REALLY feel good. I find it hard to believe I won't hold some new lean mass but I just dont' know what to expect so it's a good journey to experience.
 
Dustin07 said:
I think it's time. putting on size definitely had positive reaction from my wife, she's even said "just don't lose the pecs and arms" lol. There is probably a part of me dealing with dysmorphia living with a woman who is constantly complaining about being fat, who quite frankly, is not fat, lol. I think you hear that enough and start to think "****... if she thinks she's fat then I'm morbidly obese". There is also the fact that I have not truly cut since COVID, like 2020 or 2021 and I think I need to prove to myself that I CAN cut post "bulk". although I never really called it a bulk. I was strength focused, ate for strength, and gained the correlating 20lbs that took me to a number of PRs. Lastly, I do miss that feeling of hitting the beach or pool and knowing nobody there is better conditioned than me, lol.

The fact that I'm down 10lbs so far (honestly 14lbs from peak) and people like my golf coach still talk about how huge and muscular/bulky I am makes me think that I could hold a fair amount of my new lean mass as I cut down but I truly have no idea what to expect. looking at myself at 193, I am hoping a 10lb drop reflects good progress but I'm guessing it's 15lbs to REALLY feel good. I find it hard to believe I won't hold some new lean mass but I just dont' know what to expect so it's a good journey to experience.
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You will absolutely have more muscle unless you cut in a very stupid way which we know is not going to happen so I think you will be pleased once you get to where you want to be and then bring calories up to maintenance and fill back up with a little more glycogen.
 
MrKleen73 said:
You will absolutely have more muscle unless you cut in a very stupid way which we know is not going to happen so I think you will be pleased once you get to where you want to be and then bring calories up to maintenance and fill back up with a little more glycogen.
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don't underestimate my ability to **** things up 😅
na I am hoping you're right. I'm really only going to combine fasting with cardio here for these couple milestone lbs, then shift gears.

Do you see anything I should add or remove from the otherwise simple and mild August stack?

August:
gear cream
xpg carnitine
blood pressure support xt

Sept
anabolic xt
phosphatidic acid xt
alpha gel
optimize T

and sporadically I'll likely dose some pine pollen, trib, etc as well when I see fit.
 
Dustin07 said:
don't underestimate my ability to **** things up 😅
na I am hoping you're right. I'm really only going to combine fasting with cardio here for these couple milestone lbs, then shift gears.

Do you see anything I should add or remove from the otherwise simple and mild August stack?

August:
gear cream
xpg carnitine
blood pressure support xt

Sept
anabolic xt
phosphatidic acid xt
alpha gel
optimize T

and sporadically I'll likely dose some pine pollen, trib, etc as well when I see fit.
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Honestly if you could push the gear cream and carnitine for 8 weeks it would be ideal then hit all the natty boosters after. Would just be a lot more productive prohormone run. You will just be noticing how good it is actually working when you run out if you only do for 4 weeks.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Honestly if you could push the gear cream and carnitine for 8 weeks it would be ideal then hit all the natty boosters after. Would just be a lot more productive prohormone run. You will just be noticing how good it is actually working when you run out if you only do for 4 weeks.
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For sure, my plan is to run it until it runs out, so its just gonna depend on how long it lasts and how big a dose I can run
 
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