The Strongest Natural Testosterone Booster Available? (Blood Work Included)

thebigt said:
so what are your thought's on those blood tests? triple test in 2 weeks is kinda freaky-
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Nothing steroidal in there to cause a false positive. 70nm is very potent, you need to admit (resolve please explain to them 70nm is quite strong).

Also, you have some good stuff in there:

"The aqueous extract of Z. officinale significantly increased in the relative weight of the testis, the serum testosterone level, testicular cholesterol level and epididymal a-glucosidase activity."

In looking at the newest stuff on D-Aspartate which is ALL the rage right now, what it shows is that in the testis you get a preferred conversion of cholesterol to active hormones with the addition of D-Asparate (Resolve can verify this as well, but I am pretty sure this is the case in addition to the other benefits). Look at Ginger, it seems to be working via the same mechanism, which would give you an extra bump, you get the AI/SERM stimulation via LH and then the ability of the testes to respond to that stimulation with more raw materials.

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So, reduced cholesterol to me means something in the Ginger is shuttling more cholesterol to be converted to steroid hormones...
 
LegalGear said:
Nothing steroidal in there to cause a false positive. 70nm is very potent, you need to admit (resolve please explain to them 70nm is quite strong).

Also, you have some good stuff in there:

"The aqueous extract of Z. officinale significantly increased in the relative weight of the testis, the serum testosterone level, testicular cholesterol level and epididymal a-glucosidase activity."

In looking at the newest stuff on D-Aspartate which is ALL the rage right now, what it shows is that in the testis you get a preferred conversion of cholesterol to active hormones with the addition of D-Asparate (Resolve can verify this as well, but I am pretty sure this is the case in addition to the other benefits). Look at Ginger, it seems to be working via the same mechanism, which would give you an extra bump, you get the AI/SERM stimulation via LH and then the ability of the testes to respond to that stimulation with more raw materials.

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So, reduced cholesterol to me means something in the Ginger is shuttling more cholesterol to be converted to steroid hormones...
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well the ginger can also be inhibity FA synthesis,

but ive seen the studies you refer to, i feel like the appropriate dose for D aspartate will give you serving sizes really huge,

3200mg per day D aspartate, plus other ingredients we are lookin at how many caps per day?
 
LegalGear said:
Nothing steroidal in there to cause a false positive. 70nm is very potent, you need to admit (resolve please explain to them 70nm is quite strong).

Also, you have some good stuff in there:

"The aqueous extract of Z. officinale significantly increased in the relative weight of the testis, the serum testosterone level, testicular cholesterol level and epididymal a-glucosidase activity."

In looking at the newest stuff on D-Aspartate which is ALL the rage right now, what it shows is that in the testis you get a preferred conversion of cholesterol to active hormones with the addition of D-Asparate (Resolve can verify this as well, but I am pretty sure this is the case in addition to the other benefits). Look at Ginger, it seems to be working via the same mechanism, which would give you an extra bump, you get the AI/SERM stimulation via LH and then the ability of the testes to respond to that stimulation with more raw materials.

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So, reduced cholesterol to me means something in the Ginger is shuttling more cholesterol to be converted to steroid hormones...
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i don't doubt the ingredients are effective. but i just can't grasp the total test increasing by triple in 2 weeks-damn. it took almost a month for test cyp to kick in and that's by injection- 2 weeks, damn!
 
thebigt said:
i don't doubt the ingredients are effective. but i just can't grasp the total test increasing by triple in 2 weeks-damn. it took almost a month for test cyp to kick in and that's by injection- 2 weeks, damn!
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Test Cyp does take alot longer to 'hit you' than say Prop or water based Suspension. Maybe this works in a similar fashion to the latter? Dunno :33:
 
FlexW99 said:
Test Cyp does take alot longer to 'hit you' than say Prop or water based Suspension. Maybe this works in a similar fashion to the latter? Dunno :33:
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even after almost 6 months on 400mg of test cyp my total test is only 700's. did you look at those numbers after ONLY 2 WEEKS!
 
The results are crazy and remember it is only one person, so they are preliminary and don't prove anything since one person is not the norm.

The beauty is in the ingredients:

"We report herein that daily treatment of male rats with 50, 100 or 150 mg quercetin per kg body weight. Concomitantly, serum testosterone levels were increased by 1.79-, 1.83- and 3.48-fold, while serum dihydrotestosterone (DHT) levels were 125%, 92% and 73% of the control. A slight increase in prostate weight coupled with dilated prostate lumens full of secretory materials were observed."

Quercetin is a 17bHSD inhibitor which is going to also boost testosterone levels by inhibiting the conversion to androstenedione.
 
thebigt said:
even after almost 6 months on 400mg of test cyp my total test is only 700's. did you look at those numbers after ONLY 2 WEEKS!
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that seems pretty low when on 400mg a week for 6 months.

those are some huge numbers thoguh

when were bloods taken?

within the half life of the supplement or when the supplement was cleared?
 
crazyfool405 said:
that seems pretty low when on 400mg a week for 6 months.

those are some huge numbers thoguh

when were bloods taken?

within the half life of the supplement or when the supplement was cleared?
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oops, 200mg weekly. i was prescribed 400mg every 2 weeks but i split it up. sorry bout that.
 
MrBigPR said:
Is resolve a new lg rep?
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Nope. Eric and I have just had some "sciency" chats via PM here and there.

What I found while eating dinner:

Exemestane 0.23uM
Aminoglutethimide 13uM (this one is debatable)
Testolactone 130uM
Vorozole (Rivizor) 2.5nM
Fadrozole 4.5nM (also putative, I saw numbers all over the place, but this is what seems to be IC50 in humans. Not on campus so can't get access to full texts)
 
Resolve said:
Nope. Eric and I have just had some "sciency" chats via PM here and there.

What I found while eating dinner:

Exemestane 0.23uM
Aminoglutethimide 13uM (this one is debatable)
Testolactone 130uM
Vorozole (Rivizor) 2.5nM
Fadrozole 4.5nM (also putative, I saw numbers all over the place, but this is what seems to be IC50 in humans. Not on campus so can't get access to full texts)
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Can you convert them to nM values, I am not good at the conversion from uM to nM without Seth's help.

Refresh my memory, you divide the molecular weight by the uM?
 
1uM = 1000nm Just move the decimal 3 places to the right

so Exemestane would be 230nM,
Aminoglutethimide 13000nM
Testolactone 130000nM

Gets crazy when something wants you to convert from grams to something like picograms (1x10^-12g) and you try to do it in your head.
 
Resolve said:
1uM = 1000nm Just move the decimal 3 places to the right

so Exemestane would be 230nM,
Aminoglutethimide 13000nM
Testolactone 130000nM

Gets crazy when something wants you to convert from grams to something like picograms (1x10^-12g) and you try to do it in your head.
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Oh, ok I am tired I was thinking mcg/ml for some reason.
 
I actually need to redo my IC50's for some of them, that's why I posted it here on AM, GOD KNOWS YOU CAN'T MAKE A MISTAKE ON bb.com.
 
LegalGear said:
I actually need to redo my IC50's for some of them, that's why I posted it here on AM, GOD KNOWS YOU CAN'T MAKE A MISTAKE ON bb.com.
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we are in complete 100% agreement about bb.com.:beerchug:
 
They are all know it all's and if they are shown to be wrong all of a sudden just leave the thread and they all speak in these absolutes that just drive me nuts...
 
LegalGear said:
They are all know it all's and if they are shown to be wrong all of a sudden just leave the thread and they all speak in these absolutes that just drive me nuts...
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even if they are right and i am wrong it doesn't excuse being disrespectful. i am much older than most of those guys, and believe me i wouldn't put up with their disrespectful behavior in person!
 
thebigt said:
we are in complete 100% agreement about bb.com.:beerchug:
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Same here.

BB.com can lick dirty donkey balls!!!:firedevil:
 
It's like myspace for meatheads. They are honestly as quick to attack as the something awful forums, but exponentially less intelligent and funny.
 
could you post links to studies on the bioavailability of 2-Phenyl-benzo(h)chromen-4-one
 
This is late in coming but WOW! Looks impressive. Will order as soon as I run my other 'test boosters'. I doubt they could even hold a candle to those results, though.
 
I'd definitely like to see some bloodwork maybe two weeks after he's stopped using it.

It seems like a great product but some more information would be great. Can we ever have enough info? Haha
 
New IC50 list

IC50
Arimidex -- 8-25nm
Letro -- 2-6nm
Butein -- 3750nm
ATD -- 180nm
LG Secret AI -- 20nm
6-OXO -- 430nm
7-MethoxyFlavone -- 1900nm
3-BETA-3-HYDROXY-URS-12-ENE-28-OIC ACID -- 14000nm
2-PHENYL-BENZO(H)CHROMEN-4-ONE -- 70nm
Formestane -- 800nm
7,4' dimethoxyflavone -- 9000nm
Exemestane -- 230nm
Aminoglutethimide -- 13000nm
Testolactone -- 130000nm
 
i really dont understand how test levels could triple, and Estrogen almost doubled while using a natty AI. with any other AI excluding 6-oxo estrogen would be lower. whos bloodwork is this it says AM member?
 
Is this suppressive?

Or would it be suitable as part of a PCT protocol coming off Sus and Tren to get natural test production back?
 
Truly impressive blood work!
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Truly impressive blood work!
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So it's for 24 hours only??!! DAMN!!:frustrate:


Gonna have to make that order NOW!!!
 
Your test number is kinda low for the amount of testosterone you're taking. I take 100mg per week subcutaneously along with a little bit of Arimidex every other day and I'm in the 1100 range... Then again I do take a VERY small amount of HCG (250iu) every 5 days as well - and maybe that's giving me a boost. But 100mg per week of test and not even intramuscular....

thebigt said:
almost 6 months on 200mg weekly of test cyp and my total test is only in the 700's. this guys total test tripled in 2 weeks! :dunno:
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As for these Formadrol blood test results - they do seem very high. I mean - this is boosting testosterone more than my Cypionate / Arimidex / HCG protocol... There will be plenty of skeptical people until one or two "anybody's" get their own blood tests and post similar results...
 
To just post blood pannels, with no controlled environment is something to take with a grain of salt. Not knocking the product at all, but there is no physical proof that the supplement actually taken made those changes.
 
TripDog said:
To just post blood pannels, with no controlled environment is something to take with a grain of salt. Not knocking the product at all, but there is no physical proof that the supplement actually taken made those changes.
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I really don't see what else could possibly create that drastic of a change in his blood panels. As I said, he was on absolutely nothing else at the time.
 
Sorry for the noob question, but how would results of training while taking this compare to the Trifecta stack that I'm trying (and doing WELL on) now?
 
Hark said:
Sorry for the noob question, but how would results of training while taking this compare to the Trifecta stack that I'm trying (and doing WELL on) now?
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Well, the blood results that I haven't released yet on M1D show test levels even higher than that of the user on Formadrol, soooo... :D

They're both awesome and have their own purpose. Why not use Trifecta and then Formadrol for PCT?
 
Irish Cannon said:
I really don't see what else could possibly create that drastic of a change in his blood panels. As I said, he was on absolutely nothing else at the time.
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So you are saying, and I am quoting you "nothing else could cause a rise in testosterone that drastic?" Are you serious, or was that just a really bad joke? How do you know what he took, were you there watching him?

I only have an issue with claiming something as the strongest compound in a class of supplements, based on 2 pieces of paper that have no validity. Real world feedback is what matters, not hocus pocus claims. C'mon bro, I thought you were above that game.....
 
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