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The New Product Release Thread

Old Witch said:
I discover products nobody is talking about, at all, and within two weeks of me mentioning it here it’s sold out. Every single time.

I actually had to stop talking about some of the things I wanted because I’ve shot myself in the foot too many times and lost out on it.
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The amount of people that talk about products here and buy elsewhere is enormous, especially Amazon these days. It's had a very negative effect on the industry as a whole.
 
The Solution said:
Just put a ton of SKU's on your line, and watch the smaller forum crowd ones collect dust besides a select handful that want them. In reality the majority on here want a highly powered and clinically dosed formula, while the mainstream market doesn't favor it to a large extent. Most of us on here don't see that, but when you run a business you have to think what is most beneficial for the long-term. Selling yourself to a small group on an online message board that makes up 2-5% of your total companies sales is not going to lead to a successful business or a ROI (Return of Investment) making formulas that cater to their needs.
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Guess that is why I don't have a business.
 
Old Witch said:
I discover products nobody is talking about, at all, and within two weeks of me mentioning it here it’s sold out. Every single time.

I actually had to stop talking about some of the things I wanted because I’ve shot myself in the foot too many times and lost out on it.
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So true.
 
What I don’t like is a company whose designer anabolics don’t work, but their mass marketed products are essentially a heart attack in a jar.

Call me old fashioned.
 
rtmilburn said:
It's not that the products aren't good, as they are. It just seems you've guys have cut out what your edge was, all to increase your bottom line.

Does that make sense. I can further elaborate if need be.
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The lifestyle range (newest labels everyone is seeing) is formulated to ensure compliance, with each ingredient being GRAS.

You will still see our more novel “push the limits” type products in our hardcore line ie I am Supreme black magic etc.

Its actually incredibly difficult to put together effective formulas, that are feasible and meet compliance completely, to which I believe we have done a great job.
 
Hyde said:
Yo lemme get the dL on these spiked preWOs
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Here’s a hint. Think of an old, banned, well known, and totally spiked preworkout. Then type it into google with the word “clone” after it and see what happens with a bit of digging.
 
Aggressive had a Craze clone complete with spiked dendrobium extract. It’s gone now... guess why....
 
Wild looking graphic's !!
 
Allow me to reveal the complete and honest truth about formulations. Any brand that wants to make high 6 figure or 7 figure income HAS to:
A) get into large scale distribution to big box stores like the G store, Vit shop, w mart, etc
B) in order to do the above they HAVE to have formulas that are CHEAP aka underdosed and ineffective to maintain their margins. They’ll make something for $4 at 10,000+ units a clip, sell those 10,000 for $8, retailer sells it for $29.99 or more as a loose example.

Rinse and repeat.

There are some rare exceptions like if a brand owns their own manufacturing (factory that mixes all the raw materials, applies labels, and distributes to retailers) and in these rare cases they can get away with DECENT formulas... still nothing that is going to be clinically dosed or of any significant value to the EDUCATED consumer. But having your own facility to do this costs A LOT... 500k or more. So what comes first, the chicken or the egg?

I hope this gives some insight as to why we often see brands who start here that we LOVE ultimately pivot to conform to the “MONEY MODEL” described above.

Luckily HPS is not my first second or third source of income. In fact, I’ve maybe paid myself a few hundred bucks for gas money and a nice dinner out with my fiancé every now and then. I started HPS as a big smile face and thumbs up to the brands who sell out for money. Although, in all fairness that is often their ONLY means of making an income so do I get it? Of course. Is it right? Debatable. Is there anything consumers can do? Not really, aside from support the ‘little guys’ who have no need to sell out. If you want quality you have to know where to look and I hope more people begin to see HPS for that, like evomuse and BLR, for example, guys I have gotten to know personally over the years and are doing this for the right reasons with the consumer in mind.

That’s my 2 and a half cents. Goodnight!
 
rtmilburn said:
It's not that the products aren't good, as they are. It just seems you've guys have cut out what your edge was, all to increase your bottom line.

Does that make sense. I can further elaborate if need be.
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With all due respect this is 100% incorrect and a vision you hold and others may hold when they don’t understand the depths of business making decisions and how businesses evolve so let me elaborate

Here’s the thing the hardcore presentation of the brand with the warrior is staying for hardcore products so the vibe is still there. Now here are the issues, as a brand we have a prerogative to target both males and females and with the old level of product label branding our labeling and presentation was too intimidating for both mainstream and females.

We have continued to evolve the emphasis with our storytelling labels by offering something more gender neutral and a level of branding that invokes emotion, feeling, and connection to the packaging and story we are trying to present as a brand.

Our product T/A is also far longer now due to the processes we go through in R&D, flavoring, flavor development and processes such as prop65 testing.

What’s remained throughout the years is industry first innovation and do it the best or don’t do it at all mentality. When it comes to COGS all still very high while being controlled by the strategic supply chain advantages we have in place.

When it comes to formulations we are emphasizing DHSEA compliance, GRAS, etc and bringing 3 GRAS HUMAN STUDIED ingredients to the market this year. It’s cool to serve a niche with rat studies for a bit but without human toxicology there is no long term sustainability in products and product development.

Our niche type products are being reformulate to be far more effective yet 100% GRAS compliance and certain products are being liquidated like the muscle building protein a niche that did not sell. It’s not a blame thing but you guys want but don’t or possibly can’t support the level of investment that it takes with the scaling game in niche products so there are products that work and don’t work with niche.

To iterate our branding is far more inviting now yet disruptive by being so hyper focused on a 18-36 audience and our formulas cater all age groups but it starts with presentation and voila. Formulas are still top of the line with what tools and guidelines we have and vision is still the same if not stronger.
 
chedapalooza said:
Allow me to reveal the complete and honest truth about formulations. Any brand that wants to make high 6 figure or 7 figure income HAS to:
A) get into large scale distribution to big box stores like the G store, Vit shop, w mart, etc
B) in order to do the above they HAVE to have formulas that are CHEAP aka underdosed and ineffective to maintain their margins. They’ll make something for $4 at 10,000+ units a clip, sell those 10,000 for $8, retailer sells it for $29.99 or more as a loose example.

Rinse and repeat.

There are some rare exceptions like if a brand owns their own manufacturing (factory that mixes all the raw materials, applies labels, and distributes to retailers) and in these rare cases they can get away with DECENT formulas... still nothing that is going to be clinically dosed or of any significant value to the EDUCATED consumer. But having your own facility to do this costs A LOT... 500k or more. So what comes first, the chicken or the egg?

I hope this gives some insight as to why we often see brands who start here that we LOVE ultimately pivot to conform to the “MONEY MODEL” described above.

Luckily HPS is not my first second or third source of income. In fact, I’ve maybe paid myself a few hundred bucks for gas money and a nice dinner out with my fiancé every now and then. I started HPS as a big smile face and thumbs up to the brands who sell out for money. Although, in all fairness that is often their ONLY means of making an income so do I get it? Of course. Is it right? Debatable. Is there anything consumers can do? Not really, aside from support the ‘little guys’ who have no need to sell out. If you want quality you have to know where to look and I hope more people begin to see HPS for that, like evomuse and BLR, for example, guys I have gotten to know personally over the years and are doing this for the right reasons with the consumer in mind.

That’s my 2 and a half cents. Goodnight!
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Not true. I got OL well over 7 figures with niche products and no paid ads. Your audience is far smaller but it’s not really about audience. No BLR or HPS product is compliant as is whether it be formula or labeling to get into a bigger scale retailer anyways therefore meaning technically compliant against the laws of DHSEA and GRAS, and lastly it’s not about scaling to retailers your most important tool at the end of the day should be and eventually will be D2C as other industries have proven. 3rd party retailers value is minimal as they all have house brands and vested interests in themselves

Self investment and sustainment needs to be any young entrepreneurs motto in this scaling and evolving digital era.

There are a lot of countearguments to argue against the anecdotal benefits of AM popular products starting with compliance and lack of human toxicology on all ingredients.

I can go into far more depth but it’s very redundant at this point. Take my track record of scaling through every era as we reach to be a 9 figure brand. It’s my relentlessness, competitiveness, and passion that keep us at the apex of the industry
 
Lastly our formula costs are higher than yours CAM lol so no idea what you mean there. Flavoring alone costs near 3$ and cognizin itself is over 2$
 
chedapalooza said:
Allow me to reveal the complete and honest truth about formulations. Any brand that wants to make high 6 figure or 7 figure income HAS to:
A) get into large scale distribution to big box stores like the G store, Vit shop, w mart, etc
B) in order to do the above they HAVE to have formulas that are CHEAP aka underdosed and ineffective to maintain their margins. They’ll make something for $4 at 10,000+ units a clip, sell those 10,000 for $8, retailer sells it for $29.99 or more as a loose example.

Rinse and repeat.

There are some rare exceptions like if a brand owns their own manufacturing (factory that mixes all the raw materials, applies labels, and distributes to retailers) and in these rare cases they can get away with DECENT formulas... still nothing that is going to be clinically dosed or of any significant value to the EDUCATED consumer. But having your own facility to do this costs A LOT... 500k or more. So what comes first, the chicken or the egg?

I hope this gives some insight as to why we often see brands who start here that we LOVE ultimately pivot to conform to the “MONEY MODEL” described above.

Luckily HPS is not my first second or third source of income. In fact, I’ve maybe paid myself a few hundred bucks for gas money and a nice dinner out with my fiancé every now and then. I started HPS as a big smile face and thumbs up to the brands who sell out for money. Although, in all fairness that is often their ONLY means of making an income so do I get it? Of course. Is it right? Debatable. Is there anything consumers can do? Not really, aside from support the ‘little guys’ who have no need to sell out. If you want quality you have to know where to look and I hope more people begin to see HPS for that, like evomuse and BLR, for example, guys I have gotten to know personally over the years and are doing this for the right reasons with the consumer in mind.

That’s my 2 and a half cents. Goodnight!
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I’m glad your getting the fiancé out for dinners now because the last time you had to stay in to defend yourself from all the bad people on the internet.
 
Olympus Labs said:
Not true. I got OL well over 7 figures with niche products and no paid ads. Your audience is far smaller but it’s not really about audience. No BLR or HPS product is compliant as is whether it be formula or labeling to get into a bigger scale retailer anyways therefore meaning technically compliant against the laws of DHSEA and GRAS, and lastly it’s not about scaling to retailers your most important tool at the end of the day should be and eventually will be D2C as other industries have proven. 3rd party retailers value is minimal as they all have house brands and vested interests in themselves

Self investment and sustainment needs to be any young entrepreneurs motto in this scaling and evolving digital era.

There are a lot of countearguments to argue against the anecdotal benefits of AM popular products starting with compliance and lack of human toxicology on all ingredients.

I can go into far more depth but it’s very redundant at this point. Take my track record of scaling through every era as we reach to be a 9 figure brand. It’s my relentlessness, competitiveness, and passion that keep us at the apex of the industry
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This wasn’t directed at you. I find the economics of this industry equally intriguing and disgusting at the same time. It’s a very fine line to walk to be able to offer quality and scalability and you’ve definitely been a pioneer in that regard.

if d2c is the holy grail and retailers are secondary why change everything to seemingly appease said retailers? And Of course flavoring a product with a 15+ g serving size is going to cost more than an encapsulated products.... I’d love to go more in depth. Again, my comment wasn’t directed at OL.

I was speaking about the brands who are doing literally 10mg of an active that should be dosed at 250mg for example and just preying on people who don’t know any better.

Of course, that is not what you have ever done nor are doing now. If you want to start up another thread on the topic I would love to take part as much as I’m sure others would like to follow along.
 
BigGame84 said:
Really? I need to take 2 caps of that to really feel anything. Don’t think it was “spiked”. At least not from the batch I purchased last year.
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It’s pretty much entirely “illegal” stimulants... every single extract on the label is a known spiked ingredient which is always just a synthesized amphetamine or adrenaline or aliphatic amine. And it’s got ALL of em. Together. It’s definitely got Two different DMHA compounds, and N-A-DEPEA in it at the very least.

And yeah maybe the first batch was too strong so they scaled it back but that stuff to me was ungodly awful
 
Hey AM

Here's a new product from MA Labs for you guys to check out!

STIM FREAK

Ingredients:
Caffeine Anyhdrious
Eria Jarensis
L-Theanine
DMHA

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If you cannot see the label, please go to MA Labs and zoom in. LInk is here:

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you'd think after that brush with the FDA MASUPPS would start listing their labels in compliance with the law.

you'd think it, but you'd be wrong.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
What is non compliant about the label?
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is it splitting hairs here by me? Sure. But is it non-compliant? Absolutely.


For any herbal extract, it needs to list the herb name itself, indicate wether its an extract or whole plant matter, and disclose which portion of the plant the extract comes from. For example, here is an acceptable labeling of an herb unlike the Eria listing

Tribulus Terrestris Extract (leaves & stem) 250mg



For the DMHA, you should be listing it similar to:

Juglans Regia Extract(leaves)(supplying DMHA)

or

DMHA (from Julgans Regia Extract[leaves])
 
VaughnTrue said:
is it splitting hairs here by me? Sure. But is it non-compliant? Absolutely.


For any herbal extract, it needs to list the herb name itself, indicate wether its an extract or whole plant matter, and disclose which portion of the plant the extract comes from. For example, here is an acceptable labeling of an herb unlike the Eria listing

Tribulus Terrestris Extract (leaves & stem) 250mg



For the DMHA, you should be listing it similar to:

Juglans Regia Extract(leaves)(supplying DMHA)

or

DMHA (from Julgans Regia Extract[leaves])
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Thanks for reply. I like the detailed label.
 
VaughnTrue said:
is it splitting hairs here by me? Sure. But is it non-compliant? Absolutely.


For any herbal extract, it needs to list the herb name itself, indicate wether its an extract or whole plant matter, and disclose which portion of the plant the extract comes from. For example, here is an acceptable labeling of an herb unlike the Eria listing

Tribulus Terrestris Extract (leaves & stem) 250mg



For the DMHA, you should be listing it similar to:

Juglans Regia Extract(leaves)(supplying DMHA)

or

DMHA (from Julgans Regia Extract[leaves])
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outside of this, the ingredient panel is not boxed in correctly (FDA hates this although it is what it is) and there are a ton of tiny little things here which make it "non-compliant"
 
VaughnTrue said:
is it splitting hairs here by me? Sure. But is it non-compliant? Absolutely.


For any herbal extract, it needs to list the herb name itself, indicate wether its an extract or whole plant matter, and disclose which portion of the plant the extract comes from. For example, here is an acceptable labeling of an herb unlike the Eria listing

Tribulus Terrestris Extract (leaves & stem) 250mg



For the DMHA, you should be listing it similar to:

Juglans Regia Extract(leaves)(supplying DMHA)

or

DMHA (from Julgans Regia Extract[leaves])
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Do you think stim freak is a good pwo?
 
VaughnTrue said:
you'd think after that brush with the FDA MASUPPS would start listing their labels in compliance with the law.

you'd think it, but you'd be wrong.
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In a world with ever tighter regulations, I find Mike’s outlaw sensibilities refreshing. Not saying I would do it, but I appreciate that guys like him still do it their way.

Need to scoop up some of his insuligen before it’s gone, I keep making excuses but the bottom line is it’s pretty unique.
 
Hyde said:
In a world with ever tighter regulations, I find Mike’s outlaw sensibilities refreshing. Not saying I would do it, but I appreciate that guys like him still do it their way.

Need to scoop up some of his insuligen before it’s gone, I keep making excuses but the bottom line is it’s pretty unique.
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ehhhhh


If he is willing to cut these corners (these are very, very, VERY tiny corners that cost literally nothing outside of going to fda.gov and reading the rules/regulations) what other corners is he willing to cut when producing something that you're supposed to ingest?

No thanks.
 
VaughnTrue said:
ehhhhh


If he is willing to cut these corners (these are very, very, VERY tiny corners that cost literally nothing outside of going to fda.gov and reading the rules/regulations) what other corners is he willing to cut when producing something that you're supposed to ingest?

No thanks.
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That's absolutely an unfair assumption to make. We have some of the best products on the market and they are lab tested etc. I use them and I have dozens of clients use them. I can admit some of them can be pricy but these are some of the highest quality products on the market and Mike would not skimp on a product, so please don't get that idea even out there. That's slander actually,

You may be right as far as the label, tbh I didn't look very close. But realize that I have nothing to do with that and I am just letting the guys know here who might be interested, this is what we have to offer.

Rest assured this will be a solid product, I will be trying it shortly myself.
 
WesleyInman said:
That's absolutely an unfair assumption to make. We have some of the best products on the market and they are lab tested etc. I use them and I have dozens of clients use them. I can admit some of them can be pricy but these are some of the highest quality products on the market and Mike would not skimp on a product, so please don't get that idea even out there. That's slander actually,

You may be right as far as the label, tbh I didn't look very close. But realize that I have nothing to do with that and I am just letting the guys know here who might be interested, this is what we have to offer.

Rest assured this will be a solid product, I will be trying it shortly myself.
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I'm not sitting here saying "omg screw MASUPPS". I'm simply saying that ANY company who can't be bothered to at a minimum put out a legit label...why would I trust them to manufacture a product (which is infinitely more intricate than any label)?

You do you...if you guys want to use a product from a company who claims to do everything on the up and up, but they can't get a label right, that's your decision and rock on.

But to sit here and say "no bro I promise it's legit!" and suggest that it's a unique promise coming from you guys while EVERY company says the exact same thing no matter what...that's funny. Remember when ALRI came on this and the other forum and said "Don't worry guys, Jungle Warfare is legit, not spiked at all!" same with Craze, and every single other spiked/non-compliant product ever made.
 
Not sure if these are new, I just picked them up, but the BANG Keto-coffee cans are pretty damn good. Hazelnut is a bit strong on flavor but the C&C is really good.
 
dsade said:
Not sure if these are new, I just picked them up, but the BANG Keto-coffee cans are pretty damn good. Hazelnut is a bit strong on flavor but the C&C is really good.
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I like the mocha flavor the most. Their peach mango meltdown keto drink tastes really good.
 
VaughnTrue said:
I'm not sitting here saying "omg screw MASUPPS". I'm simply saying that ANY company who can't be bothered to at a minimum put out a legit label...why would I trust them to manufacture a product (which is infinitely more intricate than any label)?

You do you...if you guys want to use a product from a company who claims to do everything on the up and up, but they can't get a label right, that's your decision and rock on.

But to sit here and say "no bro I promise it's legit!" and suggest that it's a unique promise coming from you guys while EVERY company says the exact same thing no matter what...that's funny. Remember when ALRI came on this and the other forum and said "Don't worry guys, Jungle Warfare is legit, not spiked at all!" same with Craze, and every single other spiked/non-compliant product ever made.
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I can appreciate your stance completely. For me, my impression of Mike from all his presence on forums and especially his podcast discussions on Beast Fitness Radio (excellent shop talk btw) is that he really knows some useful stuff, he cares about what he sells, and I trust his product to deliver on the intent of the product.

That, my perception of MA as a man, is why I would use his product.

dsade said:
Not sure if these are new, I just picked them up, but the BANG Keto-coffee cans are pretty damn good. Hazelnut is a bit strong on flavor but the C&C is really good.
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Man, you’re making it really difficult to pass on these! At $3/can they are easily competitively priced, but also still $3/can lol
 
$2.50 at Walmart.
 
I am using some of Mike's product right now and it is AWESOME !!
 
I’d use Stim Freak if it didn’t have DMHA in it, and did have hordenine.

I can’t do adrenaline.
 
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