The new Alpha-T2

mr.cooper69 said:
I used to do this with the old Alpha T2 and Alphaburn. Bring two to to gym, do my lift, and pop them about 15 minutes before the lift is over as I'm going to the bathroom prior to cardio. It's by no means necessary, but if you can do it, awesome
Click to expand...

does anybody know what the half life of Alpha-T2 is and how long it takes to be absorbed? (provided I had my last meal >2h before ingestion).

I'd love to take my third cap 1h before workout and 400mg caffeine with some whey isolate 30 minutes before hitting the weights. I just wanna be sure the insulin spike coming from the pre-wo shake will not interfere with AT2's ingredients
 
MaXopA said:
does anybody know what the half life of Alpha-T2 is and how long it takes to be absorbed? (provided I had my last meal >2h before ingestion).

I'd love to take my third cap 1h before workout and 400mg caffeine with some whey isolate 30 minutes before hitting the weights. I just wanna be sure the insulin spike coming from the pre-wo shake will not interfere with AT2's ingredients
Click to expand...

You do realise that your whey protein will cause an insulin spike
why would you dose a pre-workout stim with a whey shake? Stims work best away from food or protein sources and taken close to an empty if possible.
 
The Solution said:
You do realise that your whey protein will cause an insulin spike
why would you dose a pre-workout stim with a whey shake? Stims work best away from food or protein sources and taken close to an empty if possible.
Click to expand...

I know you also have good knowledge when it comes to carb back-loading, which I'm following. Kiefer suggests a mixture of 20g whey isolate, 400mg caffeine and 2 tablespoon MCT-oil as part of the "ignition formula", and so far it served me well. do you think I should leave it out?
 
MaXopA said:
I know you also have good knowledge when it comes to carb back-loading, which I'm following. Kiefer suggests a mixture of 20g whey isolate, 400mg caffeine and 2 tablespoon MCT-oil as part of the "ignition formula", and so far it served me well. do you think I should leave it out?
Click to expand...

I would personally rock the caffeine straight up (if in a fasted state) it will hit harder than adding in protein and fat which will negate the stim effect
Anytime you take a stim closer to food or with food it will degrade the overall effect

take a stim upon waking with nothing in you, and take a stim 20 minutes after a meal or with a meal
I can almost guarentee you will notice a vast difference in how much harder the product hits.

If you do train fed
say have a meal 120-90 minutes prior to a workout
Stim 15-20 minutes prior
Train
Start loading after.
 
The Solution said:
I would personally rock the caffeine straight up (if in a fasted state) it will hit harder than adding in protein and fat which will negate the stim effect
Anytime you take a stim closer to food or with food it will degrade the overall effect

take a stim upon waking with nothing in you, and take a stim 20 minutes after a meal or with a meal
I can almost guarentee you will notice a vast difference in how much harder the product hits.

If you do train fed
say have a meal 120-90 minutes prior to a workout
Stim 15-20 minutes prior
Train
Start loading after.
Click to expand...

when you say stim, are you referring to kiefers formula or A-T2? I reckon AT2 is not directly a stim, is it?

If I got that right, I was thinking of the following:

2 PM fat / protein meal
5 PM one cap Alpha-T2
5:30 PM ignition formula (whey, mct, caffeine)
6 PM workout
 
MaXopA said:
when you say stim, are you referring to kiefers formula or A-T2? I reckon AT2 is not directly a stim, is it?

If I got that right, I was thinking of the following:

2 PM fat / protein meal
5.30PM one cap a t2
6 PM workout and amino v
Click to expand...

Fixed. Food around t2 reduces it's effects.
 
EBF_2356 said:
6 PM workout and amino v
Click to expand...

thanks a lot for your input man, but now I'm a bit confused. you do realise that amino IV is even more insulinogenic than whey isolate? BCAA absorption is much faster than whey protein and the high leucine content in amino IV will spike insulin even more
 
MaXopA said:
thanks a lot for your input man, but now I'm a bit confused. you do realise that amino IV is even more insulinogenic than whey isolate? BCAA absorption is much faster than whey protein and the high leucine content in amino IV will spike insulin even more
Click to expand...

Taken intra is fine. Why are you all worried about that? Over thinking it.

You could always do 2 aav2 and 1 Norco pre workout and watch fat melt away.
 
EBF_2356 said:
Taken intra is fine. Why are you all worried about that? Over thinking it.

You could always do 2 aav2 and 1 Norco pre workout and watch fat melt away.
Click to expand...

yeah good idea. I just want to assess how AT-2 alone will affect me, because I like knowing how supps impact (or not) on my body. would also throw in some forskolin-95 if it was available somewhere in UK online shops... =(
 
MaXopA said:
does anybody know what the half life of Alpha-T2 is and how long it takes to be absorbed? (provided I had my last meal >2h before ingestion).
Click to expand...
Just to answer this question, I believe it is 6 hours, if SA2-A = 11-hydroxy-yohimbine, however a PES rep can confirm/deny.
 
aaronuconn said:
Just to answer this question, I believe it is 6 hours, if SA2-A = 11-hydroxy-yohimbine, however a PES rep can confirm/deny.
Click to expand...

well, that makes sense since you are supposed to spread doses out 6h or more. just to be 100% sure: the alkaloid content is the substance staying in the body, right? because somewhere I read yohimbine (hcl) is usually absorbed very quickly, within 11-16 minutes
 
MaXopA said:
yeah good idea. I just want to assess how AT-2 alone will affect me, because I like knowing how supps impact (or not) on my body. would also throw in some forskolin-95 if it was available somewhere in UK online shops... =(
Click to expand...
I'm in the UK, its available in online shops.

With the rule change am I allowed to post them?
 
MaXopA said:
5 PM one cap Alpha-T2
5:30 PM ignition formula (whey, mct, caffeine)
6 PM workout
Click to expand...

No, ditch the 5:30 PM concoction, you're gonna lose any effects from the Yohimbe/SA-2A in the A-t2, I'd either do one or the other...A-t2 works best in a fasted state IMO.
 
MaXopA said:
well, that makes sense since you are supposed to spread doses out 6h or more. just to be 100% sure: the alkaloid content is the substance staying in the body, right? because somewhere I read yohimbine (hcl) is usually absorbed very quickly, within 11-16 minutes
Click to expand...

That's only if you're in a fasted state or insulin levels are not raised...
 
ryanp81 said:
No, ditch the 5:30 PM concoction, you're gonna lose any effects from the Yohimbe/SA-2A in the A-t2, I'd either do one or the other...A-t2 works best in a fasted state IMO.
Click to expand...

Exactly what i have been trying to say all along....
Always take it on much of an empty stomach as possible.
 
MaXopA said:
thanks a lot for your input man, but now I'm a bit confused. you do realise that amino IV is even more insulinogenic than whey isolate? BCAA absorption is much faster than whey protein and the high leucine content in amino IV will spike insulin even more
Click to expand...

The total AUC of insulin release from Amino IV is much lower than whey. If I were you, I'd focus on keep amino IV away from major meals or shakes, not EAAs. My cutoff would be roughly 20g of carbs or 25g protein
 
mr.cooper69 said:
The total AUC of insulin release from Amino IV is much lower than whey. If I were you, I'd focus on keep amino IV away from major meals or shakes, not EAAs. My cutoff would be roughly 20g of carbs or 25g protein
Click to expand...

all right, I'll ditch the concoction and any insulin triggering stuff. so would it be ok to have 1 cap AT-2 with 400mg-500mg caffeine half an hour before workout, assuming I had my last meal (usually 40g pro, 40g fat) at least 3 hours before that? I read somewhere you stated yohi and caffeine will have some kind of synergism
 
MaXopA said:
all right, I'll ditch the concoction and any insulin triggering stuff. so would it be ok to have 1 cap AT-2 with 400mg-500mg caffeine half an hour before workout, assuming I had my last meal (usually 40g pro, 40g fat) at least 3 hours before that? I read somewhere you stated yohi and caffeine will have some kind of synergism
Click to expand...

Yep that should be good plan. That's similar to how my schedule looks like a lot when using AT2.
 
Jakey said:
Also I chuckled at the abbreviation of PMS.
Click to expand...
that was accidental, I'm German you know lol... next time I'll ask google before using acronyms haha

bolt10 said:
Yep that should be good plan. That's similar to how my schedule looks like a lot when using AT2.
Click to expand...
good to hear that from a PES rep :) as soon as I get my hands on some F-95 I should be good to go then. would it be better to take forskolin along with A-T2, or with meals?
 
Take the forskolin with the AT2 for the synergy with the beta agonists. ;)
 
bolt10 said:
Take the forskolin with the AT2 for the synergy with the beta agonists. ;)
Click to expand...
that's exactly was I was hoping for! I love when supps synergize, therefore enhancing results.

However, I'm wondering why there are so many people around saying forskolin should always be taken with meals, or at least a bit of fat, to allow better absorption. I even got an official suggestion by the admin of Analyzed Supplements in which he stated "It is best taken with meals". Unfortunately I never found scientific data supporting the one theory or the other
 
MaXopA said:
that's exactly was I was hoping for! I love when supps synergize, therefore enhancing results.

However, I'm wondering why there are so many people around saying forskolin should always be taken with meals, or at least a bit of fat, to allow better absorption. I even got an official suggestion by the admin of Analyzed Supplements in which he stated "It is best taken with meals". Unfortunately I never found scientific data supporting the one theory or the other
Click to expand...
I believe most take it in a fasted state (with one dose in the pre-workout context).
 
The Solution said:
Exactly what i have been trying to say all along....
Always take it on much of an empty stomach as possible.
Click to expand...

Well great minds think alike my friend.

MaXopA said:
Forskolin-95 is still out of stock at both Predator and PMS
Click to expand...

Just run alpha t-2 by itself, it's extremely potent and if it's the first time running alpha t-2 just go for that. I'd even lower the caffeine to around 100-200mg, that's just me....400-500 mgs is overkill IMO and theres no way I would run high doses of any stimulants with A-t2.
 
MaXopA said:
Forskolin-95 is still out of stock at both Predator and PMS
Click to expand...

There were three units of Forskolin left in the UK as of a few days ago. It was posted on our distributor forum.

You had to act fast! :)
 
bdcc said:
There were three units of Forskolin left in the UK as of a few days ago. It was posted on our distributor forum.

You had to act fast! :)
Click to expand...

I'm really sad now Ben :( but nevermind. a guy at powermyself told me they should be requesting it in the next few days. hopefully I will be quick enough to place an order this time lol
 
ryanp81 said:
Just run alpha t-2 by itself, it's extremely potent and if it's the first time running alpha t-2 just go for that. I'd even lower the caffeine to around 100-200mg, that's just me....400-500 mgs is overkill IMO and theres no way I would run high doses of any stimulants with A-t2.
Click to expand...

to be hones I don't feel any direct stim effect from caffeine anymore. On workout days I usually drink one cup first thing in the morning (300mg) and one more pre-workout (300mg). I also add 200mg caffeine to my Post-WO shake as it increases insulin resistance of fat cells while improving glucose absorption. So that's a total of 800mg. But as you said, I could try taking AT-2 as a standalone to assess my body's response to higenamine and yohi and if I tolerate it well, I'll be adding some caffeine too.
 
Do all you guys do low carb diets with this product due to the yohimbine? I average about 150 grams a day during my recomp...
 
GreenMachineX said:
Do all you guys do low carb diets with this product due to the yohimbine? I average about 150 grams a day during my recomp...
Click to expand...

Insulin mitigates the effects of yohimbe so it should be taken on an empty stomach. You could still ingest carbohydrates later in the day.
 
GreenMachineX said:
So it only mitigates the effects when consumed at the same time?
Click to expand...

Eating protein also causes an insulin response so you would have to avoid food entirely lol.

Don't take yohimbe within two hours after eating or too shortly before eating (less than 30 minutes).

Longer might be better.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Do all you guys do low carb diets with this product due to the yohimbine? I average about 150 grams a day during my recomp...
Click to expand...

My carbs are kept very high year round, and it provided amazing results the first run i had with Alphamine/Alpha T2
nearly dropped 10 pounds but looked like i dropped 20 from the visual effects of the mirror. Carbs never dropped below 200g and started around 350-375g daily.
 
I'd suggest PES to change the directions on A-T2 for optimal results from 30 minutes to >2 hours. that's just my two cents, but I guess a lot of people are unaware of the unintentional impairment of yohi's effects due to an early food consumption.
 
MaXopA said:
to be hones I don't feel any direct stim effect from caffeine anymore. On workout days I usually drink one cup first thing in the morning (300mg) and one more pre-workout (300mg). I also add 200mg caffeine to my Post-WO shake as it increases insulin resistance of fat cells while improving glucose absorption. So that's a total of 800mg. But as you said, I could try taking AT-2 as a standalone to assess my body's response to higenamine and yohi and if I tolerate it well, I'll be adding some caffeine too.
Click to expand...

So let me get this straight, you are consuming daily 800mg's of caffeine....have you asked yourself why ??? And this is exactly why good supplement companies get raked under the coals for there products being harmful, don't take it personal but I think your avid consumption of caffeine isn't benefiting you one bit and with that being said I would strenuously advise to cut the caffeine down considerably if you are at all gonna incorporate Alpha t-2 into your supplement regime or don't take it at all...200 mgs in plenty IMO.
 
ryanp81 said:
So let me get this straight, you are consuming daily 800mg's of caffeine....have you asked yourself why ??? And this is exactly why good supplement companies get raked under the coals for there products being harmful, don't take it personal but I think your avid consumption of caffeine isn't benefiting you one bit and with that being said I would strenuously advise to cut the caffeine down considerably if you are at all gonna incorporate Alpha t-2 into your supplement regime or don't take it at all...200 mgs in plenty IMO.
Click to expand...

I'm always open to constructive criticism and therefore appreciate your advice. However, I really DO know why I'm drinking coffee and supplementing caffeine:

- Caffeine can increase the speed at which we resynthesize and replenish glycogen after training.
- Caffeine decreases insulinmediated tGLUT response.
- Caffeine suppresses hunger.
- Caffeine enhances fat-burning under certain conditions.
- Last but not least, it is cost-friendly.

200mgs caffeine is the content of just one large cup of coffee. So unless you're caffeine sensitive, I don't see any problems as long as you feel good.

By the way, I'd be interested to see any studies showing that caffeine consumption up to a daily maximum of 1000mg is dangerous in healthy individuals.
 
MaXopA said:
I'm always open to constructive criticism and therefore appreciate your advice. However, I really DO know why I'm drinking coffee and supplementing caffeine:

- Caffeine can increase the speed at which we resynthesize and replenish glycogen after training.
- Caffeine decreases insulinmediated tGLUT response.
- Caffeine suppresses hunger.
- Caffeine enhances fat-burning under certain conditions.
- Last but not least, it is cost-friendly.

200mgs caffeine is the content of just one large cup of coffee. So unless you're caffeine sensitive, I don't see any problems as long as you feel good.

By the way, I'd be interested to see any studies showing that caffeine consumption up to a daily maximum of 1000mg is dangerous in healthy individuals.
Click to expand...

I think many many many many people unknowingly consume at least 800 mg's of caffeine a day from Starbucks (that's roughly a large Starbuck's).
 
MaXopA said:
I'm always open to constructive criticism and therefore appreciate your advice. However, I really DO know why I'm drinking coffee and supplementing caffeine:

- Caffeine can increase the speed at which we resynthesize and replenish glycogen after training.
- Caffeine decreases insulinmediated tGLUT response.
- Caffeine suppresses hunger.
- Caffeine enhances fat-burning under certain conditions.
- Last but not least, it is cost-friendly.

200mgs caffeine is the content of just one large cup of coffee. So unless you're caffeine sensitive, I don't see any problems as long as you feel good.

By the way, I'd be interested to see any studies showing that caffeine consumption up to a daily maximum of 1000mg is dangerous in healthy individuals.
Click to expand...

Its not really, but you'll have a hell of a time coming off 800mg ;)
 
MaXopA said:
I'm always open to constructive criticism and therefore appreciate your advice. However, I really DO know why I'm drinking coffee and supplementing caffeine:

- Caffeine can increase the speed at which we resynthesize and replenish glycogen after training.
- Caffeine decreases insulinmediated tGLUT response.
- Caffeine suppresses hunger.
- Caffeine enhances fat-burning under certain conditions.
- Last but not least, it is cost-friendly.

200mgs caffeine is the content of just one large cup of coffee. So unless you're caffeine sensitive, I don't see any problems as long as you feel good.

By the way, I'd be interested to see any studies showing that caffeine consumption up to a daily maximum of 1000mg is dangerous in healthy individuals.
Click to expand...

High doses daily like that could possibly lead up to things like tachycardia and adrenal fatigue. I don't agree with taking caffeine post I think its overkill especially if you're already taking it pre.
 
Jiigzz said:
Its not really, but you'll have a hell of a time coming off 800mg ;)
Click to expand...

Been there my friend. Headaches, the need to take several naps per day and constant brain fog.

Felt good.
 
bdcc said:
Been there my friend. Headaches, the need to take several naps per day and constant brain fog.

Felt good.
Click to expand...

Exactly why 800mgs daily is completely pointless and detrimental....been there myself way back in the day.
 
ryanp81 said:
High doses daily like that could possibly lead up to things like tachycardia and adrenal fatigue. I don't agree with taking caffeine post I think its overkill especially if you're already taking it pre.
Click to expand...

maybe it's down to the fact I don't take any other pre-workout, stimulants whatsoever. The last time I was forced to completely stop drinking coffee / taking caffeine, was a month a go due to flu. I really felt no bad impact or abstinence symptoms, but what I DID notice after two weeks in bed without working out was the increase of BF%, although I sticked to intermittent fasting and kept checking my macros every day.

So getting to the point: what are the usual dosage recommendations for A-T2 + caffeine + forskolin? Someone said 200mgs caffeine with one or two caps A-T2 and 50mg forskolin per dose.
 
GreenMachineX said:
With any of the ingredients in Alpha-T2, is there a concern with drug tests?
Click to expand...

As usual it always depends on the test. In general I'd say no, but for some sports testing (WADA) it may be an issue (it's almost what isn't with WADA lol).

What is the drug test for (work)?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top