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The Future of Primordial Performance

Trauma1 said:
It's amazing what some people will say before they have any information in front of them to make an informed decision.

Haters are always gonna hate regardless; you can have all the supportive data in the world and their ignorance rules them in the end.

Thank you for the kind words my friend.



-John
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I made that thread over there, not to start drama but b/c I value outside source opinions. From what I gather PA knows quite a bit, I realize there might be some feud between him and Eric, so I also take that into consideration when forming my final opinion.

Not sure why the post was deleted, maybe someone posted things after I read. There were some valid arguments from what I recall. One being that PP does tend to exaggerate certain claims. Such as the dermacrine being "the closet thing to injectable testosterone" etc...

I realize marketing is there to sell products, I for one hope Androseries does meet claims, I would be so happy. It provides me no sort of pleasure to see a product fail, especially one i'm excited to try. For the record I have spent over $250.00 at PP, I like the company but I try to use common sense when reading manufacturer's claims...

This post could be taken as hating by a close minded individual, or a person who always has to take a side,(Xbox Vs PS3--Mac Vs Windows) but we as consumers should be allowed to question products before we purchase and put them in there body.

Also, no matter what anyone says Eric is more concerned with making money than helping people, not saying he doesn't enjoy helping people reach goals but money is the top priority... But with that said, 99.9%(guessing) of the population is in that category, as am I...
 
redwine425 said:
I made that thread over there, not to start drama but b/c I value outside source opinions. From what I gather PA knows quite a bit, I realize there might be some feud between him and Eric, so I also take that into consideration when forming my final opinion.

Not sure why the post was deleted, maybe someone posted things after I read. There were some valid arguments from what I recall. One being that PP does tend to exaggerate certain claims. Such as the dermacrine being "the closet thing to injectable testosterone" etc...

I realize marketing is there to sell products, I for one hope Androseries does meet claims, I would be so happy. It provides me no sort of pleasure to see a product fail, especially one i'm excited to try. For the record I have spent over $250.00 at PP, I like the company but I try to use common sense when reading manufacturer's claims...

This post could be taken as hating by a close minded individual, or a person who always has to take a side,(Xbox Vs PS3--Mac Vs Windows) but we as consumers should be allowed to question products before we purchase and put them in there body.

Also, no matter what anyone says Eric is more concerned with making money than helping people, not saying he doesn't enjoy helping people reach goals but money is the top priority... But with that said, 99.9%(guessing) of the population is in that category, as am I...
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I don't view this as hate at all. Everyone is entitled to their own views or opinions. I have no problem with that at all; in fact, I encourage it. It's good to ask questions and request information.

Marketing is marketing; simple as that. I don't care who the company is, it's going to be over-emphasized or exaggerated to someone regardless of what is presented. Again, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm just pointing out that we're all individuals and have our own beliefs, education, and practices. Marketing is a vital component on the success of a business; whether people accept that or not.

To be honest, my family (not money) is my top priority by a long shot. So, I guess I'm in that 0.01%. I could careless about money in general; as long as my family is supported and well supplied I'm more than content. Considering I work in health care, I wouldn't be doing this if I wasn't interested in helping people in their time of need. Not everybody is a money monger only concerned with themselves in this world; so don't kid yourself there.

I'm still up in the air about the Xbox 360 vs. PS3 debate. I have both, and like them both. Just sayin' ;).




-John
 
Trauma1 said:
I don't view this as hate at all. Everyone is entitled to their own views or opinions. I have no problem with that at all; in fact, I encourage it. It's good to ask questions and request information.

Marketing is marketing; simple as that. I don't care who the company is, it's going to be over-emphasized or exaggerated to someone regardless of what is presented. Again, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm just pointing out that we're all individuals and have our own beliefs, education, and practices. Marketing is a vital component on the success of a business; whether people accept that or not.

To be honest, my family (not money) is my top priority by a long shot. So, I guess I'm in that 0.01%. I could careless about money in general; as long as my family is supported and well supplied I'm more than content. Considering I work in health care, I wouldn't be doing this if I wasn't interested in helping people in their time of need. Not everybody is a money monger only concerned with themselves in this world; so don't kid yourself there.

I'm still up in the air about the Xbox 360 vs. PS3 debate. I have both, and like them both. Just sayin' ;).




-John
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I agree here...everyone will have their own views and opinions and they are rightly entitled to them.

Furthermore...John, you and I are along the same lines my friend...my education has been based on human studies and honestly I just want to help people and make enough to live comfortably (money isn't everything).

Cheers!:cheers:

Primordial Performance
 
SamBoz19 said:
I agree here...everyone will have their own views and opinions and they are rightly entitled to them.

Furthermore...John, you and I are along the same lines my friend...my education has been based on human studies and honestly I just want to help people and make enough to live comfortably (money isn't everything).

Cheers!:cheers:

Primordial Performance
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Amen to that, Sean. Humanity demonstrates some of the most compassionate and destructive traits fathomable.

It's our choice which path we take in life; we're not all a slave to greed and gluttony....

BTW - Merry Christmas to you and Rosie my friend! :D




-John
 
HereToStudy said:
John, you are clearly an ill advised person.

PS3 all the way.
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Online play and environment: Xbox 360 > PS3

Everything else: PS3 > Xbox 360

This is why I feel both gives you the best of both worlds. ;)





-John
 
Trauma1 said:
I don't view this as hate at all. Everyone is entitled to their own views or opinions. I have no problem with that at all; in fact, I encourage it. It's good to ask questions and request information.

Marketing is marketing; simple as that. I don't care who the company is, it's going to be over-emphasized or exaggerated to someone regardless of what is presented. Again, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm just pointing out that we're all individuals and have our own beliefs, education, and practices. Marketing is a vital component on the success of a business; whether people accept that or not.

To be honest, my family (not money) is my top priority by a long shot. So, I guess I'm in that 0.01%. I could careless about money in general; as long as my family is supported and well supplied I'm more than content. Considering I work in health care, I wouldn't be doing this if I wasn't interested in helping people in their time of need. Not everybody is a money monger only concerned with themselves in this world; so don't kid yourself there.

I'm still up in the air about the Xbox 360 vs. PS3 debate. I have both, and like them both. Just sayin' ;).




-John
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Yeah man I agree with you on the marketing, it's a necessary evil all company's have to indulge in.

That's kind of what I was saying, lot's of people choose sides and blindly stick with them and have blind spots to all rational talk regarding there side. I've been that way before so I can't hate, heck I might still be on certain things.

I should have elaborated on the money thing, I meant if you own a business money is going to be top priority. Your in health care, and i'm sure you get joy out of helping people, but if you didn't make enough money to support your family i'm sure you choose another path.

Thanks for the response though..
 
SamBoz19 said:
I agree here...everyone will have their own views and opinions and they are rightly entitled to them.

Furthermore...John, you and I are along the same lines my friend...my education has been based on human studies and honestly I just want to help people and make enough to live comfortably (money isn't everything).

Cheers!:cheers:

Primordial Performance
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^^^I also agree, my career path is in health care as well, the mental side.

Bottom line here is effective, safe products, and we at Primordial Performance try to provide as good a service as we can to the consumer. We are not out trying to rip people off, or make a quick buck. The AndroSeries is a great example of this, being DSHEA compliant, it will be safe and effective which will remain on the market for a long while.
 
redwine425 said:
I made that thread over there, not to start drama but b/c I value outside source opinions. From what I gather PA knows quite a bit, I realize there might be some feud between him and Eric, so I also take that into consideration when forming my final opinion.
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PA is a good guy, very smart, and likes to argue with everyone lol.
 
HereToStudy said:
John, you are clearly an ill advised person.
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I will have to side with John, in that having both is the superior choice! :D

Of course, the compulsion to own every technology-based toy which graces my presence is neither superior nor a choice. Nor is it a proper welcome home to a loving fiance, "I know you said this TV was the last, but let me explain first...."
 
redwine425 said:
I made that thread over there, not to start drama but b/c I value outside source opinions. From what I gather PA knows quite a bit, I realize there might be some feud between him and Eric, so I also take that into consideration when forming my final opinion.

Not sure why the post was deleted, maybe someone posted things after I read. There were some valid arguments from what I recall. One being that PP does tend to exaggerate certain claims. Such as the dermacrine being "the closet thing to injectable testosterone" etc...

I realize marketing is there to sell products, I for one hope Androseries does meet claims, I would be so happy. It provides me no sort of pleasure to see a product fail, especially one i'm excited to try. For the record I have spent over $250.00 at PP, I like the company but I try to use common sense when reading manufacturer's claims...

This post could be taken as hating by a close minded individual, or a person who always has to take a side,(Xbox Vs PS3--Mac Vs Windows) but we as consumers should be allowed to question products before we purchase and put them in there body.

Also, no matter what anyone says Eric is more concerned with making money than helping people, not saying he doesn't enjoy helping people reach goals but money is the top priority... But with that said, 99.9%(guessing) of the population is in that category, as am I...
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Contrary to generally accepted moral intuition, "making money" and "helping people" are not ispo facto mutually exclusive properties. In other words, if one is so inclined, one is fully capable of both making money and helping people simultaneously.

They only exclude one another in the act of their existence if one assumes any and all money-making pursuits are prima facie exploitative. I can assure you, they are not.
 
redwine425 said:
I made that thread over there, not to start drama but b/c I value outside source opinions. From what I gather PA knows quite a bit, I realize there might be some feud between him and Eric, so I also take that into consideration when forming my final opinion.

Not sure why the post was deleted, maybe someone posted things after I read. There were some valid arguments from what I recall. One being that PP does tend to exaggerate certain claims. Such as the dermacrine being "the closet thing to injectable testosterone" etc...

I realize marketing is there to sell products, I for one hope Androseries does meet claims, I would be so happy. It provides me no sort of pleasure to see a product fail, especially one i'm excited to try. For the record I have spent over $250.00 at PP, I like the company but I try to use common sense when reading manufacturer's claims...

This post could be taken as hating by a close minded individual, or a person who always has to take a side,(Xbox Vs PS3--Mac Vs Windows) but we as consumers should be allowed to question products before we purchase and put them in there body.

Also, no matter what anyone says Eric is more concerned with making money than helping people, not saying he doesn't enjoy helping people reach goals but money is the top priority... But with that said, 99.9%(guessing) of the population is in that category, as am I...
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Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed.--Mahatma Gandhi

i live to not by money i live to free my self from it...
 
It may be too early to answer this, but would a product like AndroMass or AndroHard be acceptable for a person's first foray into serious prohormones? Or would they be better for someone with a few cycles under their belt?
 
danieltx13 said:
It may be too early to answer this, but would a product like AndroMass or AndroHard be acceptable for a person's first foray into serious prohormones? Or would they be better for someone with a few cycles under their belt?
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Less side effects mean that the AAS is more user friendly and beginner friendly, though no one can say for sure until the write-ups are released.
 
danieltx13 said:
It may be too early to answer this, but would a product like AndroMass or AndroHard be acceptable for a person's first foray into serious prohormones? Or would they be better for someone with a few cycles under their belt?
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I will think so, but I will advise you to wait on the write-ups.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Contrary to generally accepted moral intuition, "making money" and "helping people" are not ispo facto mutually exclusive properties. In other words, if one is so inclined, one is fully capable of both making money and helping people simultaneously.

They only exclude one another in the act of their existence if one assumes any and all money-making pursuits are prima facie exploitative. I can assure you, they are not.
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Couldn't have said it better. In fact one could say it's impossible to truly help people without making money or investing your time into something so you have value to give.

I'll push that point further, you must be selfish to be generous. You must build yourself up first before you can support others. Even in making money in a company you're supporting the dreams and aspirations of your staff and crew.

redwine425 said:
I made that thread over there, not to start drama but b/c I value outside source opinions. From what I gather PA knows quite a bit, I realize there might be some feud between him and Eric, so I also take that into consideration when forming my final opinion.
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Disagreement is required for true progress and for that reason I'm thankful that all the great minds of this community don't see eye to eye :) and while there might be a feud, it's possibly over something of little consequence or started over something stupid and escalated over the months or years haha.

PA is a smart guy and he always one to speak his mind, but he's still human like the rest of us.

Trauma1 said:
Online play and environment: Xbox 360 > PS3

Everything else: PS3 > Xbox 360

This is why I feel both gives you the best of both worlds. ;)

-John
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This statement is full of win :-D. You get your uncharted 2 and god of war AND your gears of war and splinter cell conviction, not to mention my kinnect tomorrow :-D (Yes I have a PS Move too hehe). Why suffer having only one console?
 
ryansm said:
Bump for...? Monday is the expected presale in which the write-ups will be presented.
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I'm really interested in viewing the write-ups. Been wanting some scientific enzymatic info on androstanes for a long time. Can't wait!!
 
please i ask that you dont wait till midnight tomorrow to let it loose
 
Pipes said:
sub'd last minute muahaha. lol hurry up already pp!!
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Time goes by so fast that tomorrow will be here before you know it - after all, in New Zealand, it ALREADY IS tomorrow :D
 
all i can say is that my holiday money is likely to all go to this. better be good guys, i have high hopes! :)
 
I dont think I read anything about the stackability of these products, well besides one person saying they would stack mass and hard. Are these stackable with each other? Have they been tested stacked at all?

I would think that you would go with either androlean/androhard or andromass/androhard.
 
They were designed to be stacked, and honestly they can be used in just about any hormonal cycle.
 
sure glad the forum isn't blocked at work.... hmm prolly not gonna get much done tomorrow.... refresh, refresh, refresh ... LOL :)
 
bluerocket said:
sure glad the forum isn't blocked at work.... hmm prolly not gonna get much done tomorrow.... refresh, refresh, refresh ... LOL :)
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So long as your employment is not based on your work performance :mischievous:
 
haha.. i'm the boss of the department.... soooo :)
 
Ok Rosie... you win ... :)
 
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