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The Future of Primordial Performance

Ok, so with 1 bottle of Andromass being taken at recommended dosages 6 pills a day... we should see SD results correct? I can expect massive strength+mass gains?

I looked on the PP site but I could not find any logs , where are the beta-tester logs, what gains did they get? 8~15 lb gains while bf% loss ?
 
twistid said:
Ok, so with 1 bottle of Andromass being taken at recommended dosages 6 pills a day... we should see SD results correct? I can expect massive strength+mass gains?

I looked on the PP site but I could not find any logs , where are the beta-tester logs, what gains did they get? 8~15 lb gains while bf% loss ?
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PP stated already that they didn't do any beta testing. As they wanted to get the Andro line to the public as soon as possible. They also said that any beta testing would be considered some what bias by the strong scruntiny that takes place on this site. Not that i have any idea where they would get a idea like that. lol
 
NADDANME said:
PP stated already that they didn't do any beta testing. As they wanted to get the Andro line to the public as soon as possible. They also said that any beta testing would be considered some what bias by the strong scruntiny that takes place on this site. Not that i have any idea where they would get a idea like that. lol
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Wait, where did you read that? They are offering a 100-150% money back guarantee... So, do you really believe Primordial Performance is worried about public scrutiny?
 
hoopem6 said:
Wait, where did you read that? They are offering a 100-150% money back guarantee... So, do you really believe Primordial Performance is worried about public scrutiny?
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yeah you actually make money if it doesnt work. how much better does it get?
 
hoopem6 said:
Wait, where did you read that? They are offering a 100-150% money back guarantee... So, do you really believe Primordial Performance is worried about public scrutiny?
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Don't get me wrong i'm not tring to knock PP. Some one ask one of the reps if they or anyone else had a chance to try a Andro product before it went to the market and the said that PP didn't want to take the extra time doing beta testing and keep the public from getting there hands on Andro for the extra few weeks it would take to do beta testing. They also stated that most people would have more faith in testomonials coming from people not working for PP. Obviously PP has faith in there product to make the claims they have. I myself have ordered Androhard and Androlean for my spring recomp. Also there are alot of sceptics on this site that want more than some reps word on a product before they spend several hundred dollars.
 
NADDANME said:
Don't get me wrong i'm not tring to knock PP. Some one ask one of the reps if they or anyone else had a chance to try a Andro product before it went to the market and the said that PP didn't want to take the extra time doing beta testing and keep the public from getting there hands on Andro for the extra few weeks it would take to do beta testing. They also stated that most people would have more faith in testomonials coming from people not working for PP. Obviously PP has faith in there product to make the claims they have. I myself have ordered Androhard and Androlean for my spring recomp. Also there are alot of sceptics on this site that want more than some reps word on a product before they spend several hundred dollars.
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boom

if what they did theoretically can properly translate to the real world . . . then good things will happen.

if it doesnt . . . well then bad things happen

Hoping its not the latter.
 
Are you / have you disclosed which nutraceutical company is producing this? Im assuming its protected / proprietary since its been licensed to PP, so no issue is disclosing the manaufacturer?

I wrongly assumed a quick search on Super-R-DHEA etc, or the chemical nomenclature, would find its way to the patent holder / manufacturing interest...
 
AndrewNico said:
boom

if what they did theoretically can properly translate to the real world . . . then good things will happen.

if it doesnt . . . well then bad things happen

Hoping its not the latter.
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i agree 100% I think that there product will at the very least be good and less toxic. But i'm hoping for them to be Epic:bow28:
 
GodofWine said:
Are you / have you disclosed which nutraceutical company is producing this? Im assuming its protected / proprietary since its been licensed to PP, so no issue is disclosing the manaufacturer?

I wrongly assumed a quick search on Super-R-DHEA etc, or the chemical nomenclature, would find its way to the patent holder / manufacturing interest...
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We (PP) are manufacturing it, the only thing we did outside is the synthesizing of the hormones. As far as everything else we are full functioning facility, not just a store front.
 
hoopem6 said:
Wait, where did you read that? They are offering a 100-150% money back guarantee... So, do you really believe Primordial Performance is worried about public scrutiny?
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certainly not, it seems though that it would just create more backdrop, as Eric stated it's not like the hormones themselves have not been studied extensively we added way more hormone to these pills than ever seen. We tested the delivery system, so we have plenty of hormones in each pill with a tested delivery system, so we know they will work.
 
ryansm said:
certainly not, it seems though that it would just create more backdrop, as Eric stated it's not like the hormones themselves have not been studied extensively we added way more hormone to these pills than ever seen. We tested the delivery system, so we have plenty of hormones in each pill with a tested delivery system, so we know they will work.
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Exactly. I think most people aren't aware of the fact that Eric personally tested the new delivery system. However, those trials were conducted solely to measure absorption efficacy.

Anyways, I ultimately decided to pick up a bottle of AndroMass. I debated back and forth with myself, but ultimately decided to make the investment. Albeit expensive, one huge selling point for me was their track record. In my opinion, Primordial Performance is synonymous with quality. From the Dream Tea to the 1-T, you rarely ever hear of product ineffectiveness.
 
NADDANME said:
PP stated already that they didn't do any beta testing. As they wanted to get the Andro line to the public as soon as possible. They also said that any beta testing would be considered some what bias by the strong scruntiny that takes place on this site. Not that i have any idea where they would get a idea like that. lol
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So if there's no beta testing how do they know what results will come of it? There selling an untested product?
 
twistid said:
So if there's no beta testing how do they know what results will come of it? There selling an untested product?
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To keep it short and in my words ( hopefully it does some justice ). These are not untested compounds, they do work. Both on paper from initial studies and past user feedback. Andromass is essentially 1test and 4AD rolled into one. Eric's method of delivery and absorption is what sets them apart AND that they are legal and will remain to do so.

I can try to hunt down Eric's reply to the same question as I think I may be butchering it.
 
rulk22 said:
To keep it short and in my words ( hopefully it does some justice ). These are not untested compounds, they do work. Both on paper from initial studies and past user feedback. Andromass is essentially 1test and 4AD rolled into one. Eric's method of delivery and absorption is what sets them apart AND that they are legal and will remain to do so.

I can try to hunt down Eric's reply to the same question as I think I may be butchering it.
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So you took two already known products, combined them and now selling them without having actually tried them?
 
rulk22 said:
To keep it short and in my words ( hopefully it does some justice ). These are not untested compounds, they do work. Both on paper from initial studies and past user feedback. Andromass is essentially 1test and 4AD rolled into one. Eric's method of delivery and absorption is what sets them apart AND that they are legal and will remain to do so.

I can try to hunt down Eric's reply to the same question as I think I may be butchering it.
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The 1-DHEA is two conversions from 1-testosterone (1-AD is the middle step) and 4-DHEA is two conversions from testosterone (4-AD is the middle step). The $64,000 question is, how efficiently will they convert (twice)??? I agree that actual user testing would have been great.
 
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twistid said:
So you took two already known products, combined them and now selling them without having actually tried them?
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Have you read anything about these products that's been posted for the last month?

Go spend $200 running a proper 4wk SD cycle and deal with the sides, that is if you can find a quality clone.

They are monetarily promising you 8-12lbs on a 6wk cycle with little to no side effects and 100% legality, wtf else do you want?
 
jcalvert86 said:
Have you read anything about these products that's been posted for the last month?

Go spend $200 running a proper 4wk SD cycle and deal with the sides, that is if you can find a quality clone.

They are monetarily promising you 8-12lbs on a 6wk cycle with little to no side effects and 100% legality, wtf else do you want?
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How do you know those are the gains you will get? He just said they combined two products and added in the delivery system, but it hasn't been tested. You don't know what the results will be because there were no beta-test logs.
 
twistid said:
How do you know those are the gains you will get? He just said they combined two products and added in the delivery system, but it hasn't been tested. You don't know what the results will be because there were no beta-test logs.
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Then I guess I'll just have to settle for getting PAID for running it, eh?

* Really not trying to be an ass, but you can't find better quality products than PP or a 150% gaurantee anywhere else. 50% return on your money for a 6-8 week investment? What exactly do you have to lose?

I have complete faith that they will see very few returns/complaints unless it's just unethical users wanting free product.
 
jcalvert86 said:
Go spend $200 running a proper 4wk SD cycle and deal with the sides, that is if you can find a quality clone.
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How are you managing to spend 200$ on an sd cycle? I just planned out the most elaborate 4 week sd cycle and the most I can come up with is around 110$ with plenty left over for another run.

also there are plenty of clones still readily available. Hell, mdrol's out there
 
AndrewNico said:
How are you managing to spend 200$ on an sd cycle? I just planned out the most elaborate 4 week sd cycle and the most I can come up with is around 110$ with plenty left over for another run.

also there are plenty of clones still readily available. Hell, mdrol's still at lockout
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Easy. SD: $20-30
Cycle Support: $40-50
Tamoxifen: $60
Inhibit E: $20
Test Booster: $10-40 (DAA all the way through Tropinol and up)

With a good test booster and clone 200 is not even difficult.
 
Orangatang said:
Easy. SD: $20-30
Cycle Support: $40-50
Tamoxifen: $60
Inhibit E: $20
Test Booster: $10-40 (DAA all the way through Tropinol and up)

With a good test booster and clone 200 is not even difficult.
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I guess, but why are you buying tamox for 60$? That would be throwing money away, especially if its only for a 20/20/20/20 run.

Hell, 60$ of tamox would last me 6 cycles

Also why would you use atd in the pct as opposed to after it? I wouldnt count that as part of pct.
 
AndrewNico said:
I guess, but why are you buying tamox for 60$? That would be throwing money away, especially if its only for a 20/20/20/20 run.

Hell, 60$ of tamox would last me 6 cycles

Also why would you use atd in the pct as opposed to after it? I wouldnt count that as part of pct.
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You would use the atd at week three once your htpa is back in action to keep your estrogen in check. For SD i would run tamox at 40/30/20/20
 
OK , Thanks chocolate milk (page 1 , post 1, LOL)

FYI: the little green one will rival the muscle building potency of superdrone without any liver toxic effects. The 190th poster in this thread will get the first logging opportunity when it arrives.

Wow, well considering there are no beta-test logs and no one has actually ran the product those are quite some claims! (not to mention the 500mg/test a week deal)...Hope to see some great results from the bottle I picked up :)
 
I have a question:
What would be the difference between running AndroMass solo, vs. running it stacked with AndroHard?
 
ImJ2x said:
I have a question:
What would be the difference between running AndroMass solo, vs. running it stacked with AndroHard?
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According to PP's website:

For extreme muscular weight gain, stacking Andro Mass with Andro Hard would provide an ideal hormonal environment. The Andro Mass would be the “meat and potatoes” of the stack, yielding high conversions to Testosterone and DihydroBoldenone. Testosterone needs no description as it is the most widely used steroid available. It is known to enhance muscle mass, increase fat-loss, and raise sex drive. DihydroBoldenone is a 5-aplha-reduced form of the steroid boldenone. It elicits mild androgenic traits and is a potent anabolic. It has been reported to bind aggressively to the androgen receptor eliciting minimal androgenic side effects and substantial transcriptional gene activity that induces extreme muscle growth. The Andro Hard will convert into DHT at a high rate, so androgenic effects will be achieved. Andro Hard displays powerful characteristics such as: an increase in strength, sex drive, and mental focus for rigorous training sessions.
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ImJ2x said:
I have a question:
What would be the difference between running AndroMass solo, vs. running it stacked with AndroHard?
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Like Hoopem just posted, thanks by the way, I will add it will make for a dry cycle with potentially serious strength gains. Honestly it's THE stack imo.
 
hoopem6 said:
According to PP's website:
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Yeah, I read that. But it seems most of the advantages attributed to AndroHard (libido, aggression, focus) should be covered by the 4-DHEA in Amass. That's exactly why 4-AD (which is what 4-DHEA converts to) was often stacked with 1-AD (which is what 1-DHEA converts to). To me, it seems the main reason for adding Ahard is to combat any potential gyno issues on-cycle. Is that correct? Or is it actually deeper than that?
 
twistid said:
OK , Thanks chocolate milk (page 1 , post 1, LOL)

FYI: the little green one will rival the muscle building potency of superdrone without any liver toxic effects. The 190th poster in this thread will get the first logging opportunity when it arrives.

Wow, well considering there are no beta-test logs and no one has actually ran the product those are quite some claims! (not to mention the 500mg/test a week deal)...Hope to see some great results from the bottle I picked up :)
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I gotta give it to you man certainly consistent. You already bought a bottle right? If it doesn't work for you get your money back and then come in here and say I told you so. Until then...
 
ImJ2x said:
Yeah, I read that. But it seems most of the advantages attributed to AndroHard (libido, aggression, focus) should be covered by the 4-DHEA in Amass. That's exactly why 4-AD (which is what 4-DHEA converts to) was often stacked with 1-AD (which is what 1-DHEA converts to). To me, it seems the main reason for adding Ahard is to combat any potential gyno issues on-cycle. Is that correct? Or is it actually deeper than that?
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Yes it will negate any issues with gyno
 
ryansm said:
Like Hoopem just posted, thanks by the way, I will add it will make for a dry cycle with potentially serious strength gains. Honestly it's THE stack imo.
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That makes sense. And I think that's the way I'm gonna go...
 
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ImJ2x said:
Yeah, I read that. But it seems most of the advantages attributed to AndroHard (libido, aggression, focus) should be covered by the 4-DHEA in Amass. That's exactly why 4-AD (which is what 4-DHEA converts to) was often stacked with 1-AD (which is what 1-DHEA converts to). To me, it seems the main reason for adding Ahard is to combat any potential gyno issues on-cycle. Is that correct? Or is it actually deeper than that?
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Androsterone is far more androgenic than the DHEA isomers. Its also going to add additional anabolic power to the cycle to help accure additional muscle mass.

I would prefer to just stack the AndroHard with AndroMass rather than bump up the dose on AndroMass which may possibly bring upon estrogenic sides or lethargy from the 1-testosterone.

-Eric
 
Primordial Perf said:
Androsterone is far more androgenic than the DHEA isomers. Its also going to add additional anabolic power to the cycle to help accure additional muscle mass.

I would prefer to just stack the AndroHard with AndroMass rather than bump up the dose on AndroMass which may possibly bring upon estrogenic sides or lethargy from the 1-testosterone.

-Eric
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Thanks Eric.
And I know all about that lethargy. I'm currently using your 1-T LV. The lethargy was noticeable at 10ml. But I just bumped up to 15ml, and the lethargy became extreme-- I might literally fall asleep at the gym.
 
ImJ2x said:
Thanks Eric.
And I know all about that lethargy. I'm currently using your 1-T LV. The lethargy was noticeable at 10ml. But I just bumped up to 15ml, and the lethargy became extreme-- I might literally fall asleep at the gym.
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This is why 4AD was stacked with it in the past, perfect combo imo.
 
ryansm said:
This is why 4AD was stacked with it in the past, perfect combo imo.
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The 1-T LV has some DHEA in it, but apparently not enough, lol. I'm gonna try 15ml a couple more times, but if the lethargy doesn't abate, I'll drop back down to 10ml.
 
ImJ2x said:
The 1-T LV has some DHEA in it, but apparently not enough, lol. I'm gonna try 15ml a couple more times, but if the lethargy doesn't abate, I'll drop back down to 10ml.
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Nah just suck it up and become narcoleptic. :drillsergeant:
 
Actually, I have plenty of regular DHEA. I might try adding some of that to the mix. I'm just a walkin, talkin petri dish. :)
 
twistid said:
OK , Thanks chocolate milk (page 1 , post 1, LOL)

FYI: the little green one will rival the muscle building potency of superdrone without any liver toxic effects. The 190th poster in this thread will get the first logging opportunity when it arrives.

Wow, well considering there are no beta-test logs and no one has actually ran the product those are quite some claims! (not to mention the 500mg/test a week deal)...Hope to see some great results from the bottle I picked up :)
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ryansm said:
I gotta give it to you man certainly consistent.
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lol^

twistid, another important factor into making a compound valuable or not is the "quality" of muscle that it builds. The amount of keep-able lean tissue after a cycle says more about a compound than the amount of lean tissue it can put on during the cycle... at least IMO. I now value compounds in which I keep the gains post-cycle over compounds which gains are amazing on cycle but hard to hold on to.

I wonder what keeping gains will be like on Andromass...
 
chocolatemilk said:
lol^

twistid, another important factor into making a compound valuable or not is the "quality" of muscle that it builds. The amount of keep-able lean tissue after a cycle says more about a compound than the amount of lean tissue it can put on during the cycle... at least IMO. I now value compounds in which I keep the gains post-cycle over compounds which gains are amazing on cycle but hard to hold on to.

I wonder what keeping gains will be like on Andromass...
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:goodpost:
 
4 weeks of sd @ 20mg e/d + pct would cost me 70$ plus s&h. just saying.

but im not the average user either.

didn't want to point this out, but since no one is researching it, 1-testosterone is known for a host of cardiovascular side effects, including enlarged liver & increased triglyceride count.

as I've said before, if you're looking into this, and weighing on good conversion of andromass, the test is best, but 1-test is a completely different steroid.

of course the 17-aa version is much worse, but non methyl isn't free of liver side effects.

also, im curious, I saw someone from pp post that the dione would have ar binding ability. I wasn't aware of this. I know diol's are able to bind to the ar, though much weaker without the 3-ketone, could someone point in to some data discussing dione's binding to the ar.

I haven't looked too much into androsterone, but I wasn't aware it had ar activity either that would label it as being "more androgenic". I know it converts into dht, which is as active as the dht converted from 5a reduced test.

I personally dont think dht would be needed with 1-test/test combo, but I've yet to run this, so I really have no idea.
 
Primordial Perf said:
AndroHard actually has fairly solid anabolic effects. It can increase erythropoisis and nitrogen retention.

-Eric
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so with androhard it will lean you out and you should still be able to build lean muscle kinda like hdrol? My thinking is andromass is like superdrol and androhard is like hdrol is that a fair comparison ?
 
Gym4Life said:
so with androhard it will lean you out and you should still be able to build lean muscle kinda like hdrol? My thinking is andromass is like superdrol and androhard is like hdrol is that a fair comparison ?
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well according to the company am is like test and ah is like mast
 
Gym4Life said:
so with androhard it will lean you out and you should still be able to build lean muscle kinda like hdrol? My thinking is andromass is like superdrol and androhard is like hdrol is that a fair comparison ?
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Not really.
It's far more accurate to compare AndroMass to the old school 1AD/4AD stack.
And maybe compare AndroHard to Proviron. But I'm less clear on this one.
 
So im guessing taking andromass on a full dose for 6 weeks lethargy will occur? Now will taking a pre workout with andromass be useful? Wat would be good to combat lethargy while andromass if this happens? I do have androlean but im thinking of running that solo as well at full dose.
 
halfhuman said:
So im guessing taking andromass on a full dose for 6 weeks lethargy will occur? Now will taking a pre workout with andromass be useful? Wat would be good to combat lethargy while andromass if this happens? I do have androlean but im thinking of running that solo as well at full dose.
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Eric suggested AndroHard as a great addition to AMass, precisely to fight lethargy (among other reasons).
 
ImJ2x said:
Eric suggested AndroHard as a great addition to AMass, precisely to fight lethargy (among other reasons).
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Yea i read that alot but im scared of the dht. Hairloss is something i am scared of lol. I did a tbol and androhard stack last month and dosed the androhard at 2.5 instead of the full 5ml. A little shed but nothing bad. very minimal. Anything else to stack andromass with besides androhard? i have androlean but i rather run that 6-8weeks at full dose alone.
 
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