The fasting diet is for morons!!!

seccsi said:
Your problem is you keep talking about how garbage of a diet it is with nothing to back it up. Seriously, not a thing other than your word that it sucks. And then you act shocked that no one is taking you seriously.
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honestly his own statement makes it funnier

CoorsLight126 said:
All you need to do is eat clean and adjust your calories to fall within the right range. As for making any gains on a fast, everyone likes to think that what they are doing is the best but anyone who has ever made serious gains has fueled their body with lots of food and nutrients-more than they burn.
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I'm not sure why he thinks you can't eat clean, adjust your calories to fall in the right range and fuel your body with lots of food and nutrients in 8 hours instead of 12-13.
 
I think what mr coors lite is saying, or trying to, is that this diet has not been adopted by the competitive bodybuilding crowd who have successfully stepped on stage year after year.
I realize Berkhan has clients that compete but they are small in numbers compared to the general competitive population.

Either way doesn't mean it's not another way to skin the fat.... I mean cat.
 
Royd The Noyd said:
I think what mr coors lite is saying, or trying to, is that this diet has not been adopted by the competitive bodybuilding crowd who have successfully stepped on stage year after year.
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you left out retards and morons in there, as he's used that quite a few times as well.
 
Royd The Noyd said:
I think what mr coors lite is saying, or trying to, is that this diet has not been adopted by the competitive bodybuilding crowd who have successfully stepped on stage year after year.
I realize Berkhan has clients that compete but they are small in numbers compared to the general competitive population.

Either way doesn't mean it's not another way to skin the fat.... I mean cat.
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Comparing the average joe with the competitive bodybuilding crowd is about as stupid as an endeavor as one could do. Most of us have next to nothing in common with competitive bodybuilders.
 
I dont see anything wrong with IF... I do know it didnt work for me. with the exact same caloric intake (and I tried eating the exact same foods) I started to gain weight doing IF... as soon as I went back to regular eating schedule I was back to normal..

dont know how to explain it and any response of that I was taking in more caloris is just not true. same EXACT foods, same EXACT amounts.

But if IF works for you, no reason NOT to do it. I actually was a huge fan of it, I loved the eating schedule... just wish I didnt start getting pudgy while doing it.
 
seccsi said:
Comparing the average joe with the competitive bodybuilding crowd is about as stupid as an endeavor as one could do. Most of us have next to nothing in common with competitive bodybuilders.
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Royd The Noyd said:
Whaaaa? Pretty sure lots of guys here compete. And we have a lot in common.
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I'm with Royd on this one. But at the same time, I'd have no desire to be a ripped 260lbs regardless of whether I competed or not. I prefer to actually be able to wear real clothes, thanks.
 
Royd The Noyd said:
Whaaaa? Pretty sure lots of guys here compete. And we have a lot in common.
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I wasn't trying to say we didn't have guys that competed, but comparing what Jay Cutler does with the majority of the users on here isn't really wise. The vast majority of users on here would be on much less than Cutler, not have a dietician, not have training be their only job, etc. I was just pointing out that the "Mr. Olympia doesn't do IF" argument doesn't hold a lot of water.
 
StangBanger said:
I dont see anything wrong with IF... I do know it didnt work for me. with the exact same caloric intake (and I tried eating the exact same foods) I started to gain weight doing IF... as soon as I went back to regular eating schedule I was back to normal..

dont know how to explain it and any response of that I was taking in more caloris is just not true. same EXACT foods, same EXACT amounts.

But if IF works for you, no reason NOT to do it. I actually was a huge fan of it, I loved the eating schedule... just wish I didnt start getting pudgy while doing it.
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Reps for what is probably the most helpful post in this thread.

The science works on paper, it doesn't work for all. As Royd said it is a different way to skin a cat so to speak.
 
seccsi said:
I wasn't trying to say we didn't have guys that competed, but comparing what Jay Cutler does with the majority of the users on here isn't really wise. The vast majority of users on here would be on much less than Cutler, not have a dietician, not have training be their only job, etc. I was just pointing out that the "Mr. Olympia doesn't do IF" argument doesn't hold a lot of water.
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I'm not talking about pros. Average bodybuilders including natties have yet to accept this diet in the competitive realm of amateur bodybuilding.
I never even brought up cutler.
 
CoorsLight126 said:
WTF is this crap I've been reading about a fasting diet? Ummm....WHY? Please give me one good reason this stupid diet would work better than a well balanced diet, I'm all ears. Why would anybody go 6-8 hrs sleeping, just to wake up and go another 6-8 hrs starving? And then cram in too many calories in a shorter time frame, making damn near impossible to even get the nutrients you'd need throughout the day!! BREAKFAST, BREAK- FAST, your boosting your metabolism by breaking the fast when you wake up and eat, why in Gods name would anybody follow this lame ass diet!! When it comes to diets and fat loss who other than bodybuilders know best? Nobody!! If you asked almost any competitive bodybuilder how he ate to get real lean, I seriously doubt "Fasting diet" would come out of their mouths.
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Yet again another uneducated complaint from Coors.....when are you gonna learn how things work around here?
 
Royd The Noyd said:
I'm not talking about pros. Average bodybuilders including natties have yet to accept this diet in the competitive realm of amateur bodybuilding.
I never even brought up cutler.
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and before columbus returned from the new world, nobody was willing to accept that the world wasn't flat and that he wouldn't sail off the edge.
 
Royd The Noyd said:
I'm not talking about pros. Average bodybuilders including natties have yet to accept this diet in the competitive realm of amateur bodybuilding.
I never even brought up cutler.
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Ok now I see what you're saying, but I really don't think it matters. You said yourself Berkhan has had people competing do this. And no one has a consensus anyways. Natural bodybuilders consume different amounts of carbs, fats, and proteins. They train different ways from each other. They use different supplements. Some of them train body parts multiple times a week, some just one. Why do we need them to "accept" this?

I see a lot of people do things in their logs on here I would never do, yet it works for them. They've seen results from it. I do things a lot of other people don't do. I'm just not sure why a majority of natural bodybuilders NOT doing this diet means it doesn't work. Everyone who's been around the exercise game knows one size fits all doesn't work for anything. We disagree on how much to eat, how much cardio to do, how often to lift, what to take, etc. Personally I think this being "accepted" by the bodybuilding community is irrelevant.

The bottom line is IF works for many people on here. It works for me. Do I think you have to do IF for success? Of course not. The things Coors talks about are simply not backed up by any research. He's just claiming stuff like "it's catabolic." It doesn't really add anything to the discussion.
 
This guy puts my ignorance/stubbornness to shame...... coors, don't knock it till you try it...
 
seccsi said:
Ok now I see what you're saying, but I really don't think it matters. You said yourself Berkhan has had people competing do this. And no one has a consensus anyways. Natural bodybuilders consume different amounts of carbs, fats, and proteins. They train different ways from each other. They use different supplements. Some of them train body parts multiple times a week, some just one. Why do we need them to "accept" this?

I see a lot of people do things in their logs on here I would never do, yet it works for them. They've seen results from it. I do things a lot of other people don't do. I'm just not sure why a majority of natural bodybuilders NOT doing this diet means it doesn't work. Everyone who's been around the exercise game knows one size fits all doesn't work for anything. We disagree on how much to eat, how much cardio to do, how often to lift, what to take, etc. Personally I think this being "accepted" by the bodybuilding community is irrelevant.

The bottom line is IF works for many people on here. It works for me. Do I think you have to do IF for success? Of course not. The things Coors talks about are simply not backed up by any research. He's just claiming stuff like "it's catabolic." It doesn't really add anything to the discussion.
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I agree. It does work. I was simply trying to relay what i believe his perspective is in a more reasonable way.
 
Royd The Noyd said:
I agree. It does work. I was simply trying to relay what i believe his perspective is in a more reasonable way.
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The problem is you can't really discuss things when people speak in absolutes. He has been making a lot of claims that just aren't backed up by any science. I don't think IF is the be all end all to dieting, but one can't just simply talk about all the negatives of it and not have anything to back it up. He hasn't used research to back up anything he has said and he can't use personal experience because he hasn't tried IF. Basically everything he has said has been a waste of time.
 
CoorsLight126 said:
I dont personal attack **** unless someone comes at me thinking they are Arnold Schwarzenegger. Guys, seriously, quit telling yourself this method of dieting is better than giving yourself a consistent feed of nutrients and protein. All jokes aside, you guys work out hard, do cardio, burn calories. Why are you fasting like this? Its flat out stupid. Dudes have been making lean gains and getting in single digit bodyfat for years and years, its nothing new. All you need to do is eat clean and adjust your calories to fall within the right range. As for making any gains on a fast, everyone likes to think that what they are doing is the best but anyone who has ever made serious gains has fueled their body with lots of food and nutrients-more than they burn. "When I started this I got headaches" some say. Well dumbasses, that is nature telling you something, eat!! Why would you go 16 hrs straight with no food in your system, its a frikken recipe for disaster!! As for the natural guys, all power to ya, I respect that. But there comes a point when your body either has the right amount of chemicals to keep growing or it does not, period. All of these little tricks up your sleeve you think you have are smoke up your asses. I'm done with this bull****, keep listening to all of these talking parrots and "rep power" frikken joke. I'm done, ok you win, stay small retards
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Have you even begun to review the studies and scientific backing which advocate the lean gains approach? You have absolutely no basis for your argument and you proclaim we are retards. Seriously, you may be big but you need to grow up in some other areas aside from muscle. Try reading something to educate yourself and then get back to us.
 
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Lean gains is the single most significant advancement in dieting stategy I have seen for endo types in 25 years. It is more effective that any supp or diet plan I have ever seen. As a matter of fact eating small meals for a person like myself is for morons. I was a moron for 25 years and am no more. I have been able to get leaner and bigger than I have ever been in my entire life and will prove my worth and it's worth on stage.

All that being said I really don't feel that it would be effective for ecto types, at least I don't see how it would.
 
I am an ecto in everything except that i do not have anywhere near a rocket fast metabolism. Always been skinny fat. And i cna be honest the onyl thing that got me really leaned out and firming up in LG/IF. It was the same as going form a 4 day split setup to a 3 day full body format for me. Bam it just worked :) again thats just my experience, YMMV :)
 
CoorsLight126 said:
Seems to me 90% of you guys ranting and raving over this diet are under 200 lbs, I'm not knocking you for that, all I'm saying is where are the guys with a ton of lean muscle and low bodyfat talking about this diet? And please shut up about all of this ancestor bull****, our ancestors were also a lot smaller and died a lot younger. For every retard who shouts about ancestors I could show you a bodybuilder who eats a ton of oats, grits, and white potatoes and eats all day. Most of the people I trained in the past had one thing in common, they did not eat during the first half of the day, AND THEY WERE FATTER THAN ****!!! I had to get them to start eating breakfast to see some real changes. All this crap is so nit picky blown out of proportion its beyond retarded. "Insulin sensitivity this, release GH that, 80 grams of this, 30 grams of that" Think about what your saying to yourselves "Its much more convenient and easier for me" so now the truth comes out, bodybuilding is work!!
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Yo.. Coors, I get what you are saying, I kind of think you went at this in a little overly aggressive fashion, but I get your point. All I am going to say about it is that most of the guys doing this diet are not looking to become mass monsters like that of a professional bodybuilder! Most of the guys doing this diet are not on the thousands and thousands of dollars in gear either. So I am saying I do agree with you, to look like a professional bodybuilder and be 250+Lbs of shredded muscle, it probably would be hard to consume all those calories in an 8hr window, but I don't think that is the goal of most of these guys. This is just my opinion, just trying to put it in perspective, not trying to ruffle any feathers or get into a pissing contest with anyone!
 
EasyEJL said:
and before columbus returned from the new world, nobody was willing to accept that the world wasn't flat and that he wouldn't sail off the edge.
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True as the sky is Blue.
 
Man this ****'s confusing. 16 hour fasting then in 8 hours your supposed to consume alot of calories, excuse me for sounding air-headed but i've never been good with a scheduled type diet.
 
TheMeatus101 said:
Man this ****'s confusing. 16 hour fasting then in 8 hours your supposed to consume alot of calories, excuse me for sounding air-headed but i've never been good with a scheduled type diet.
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Same here man, but there is a new time and season for everything.
 
TheMeatus101 said:
Man this ****'s confusing. 16 hour fasting then in 8 hours your supposed to consume alot of calories, excuse me for sounding air-headed but i've never been good with a scheduled type diet.
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Well, there really isn't any other sort of diet. time is just another property like total calories and macro split. You mean you eat your meals normally at just random times with random amounts of time between them?
 
The more I read about nutrition and consult with dozens of different athletes competing in different realms, the more I become convinced that most make it all too complicated. If you're hungry, then eat until you're satisfied. If you're not hungry, then don't eat. There are some days when you will eat 7 meals a day and others where you only have 4 meals.
 
Rodja said:
The more I read about nutrition and consult with dozens of different athletes competing in different realms, the more I become convinced that most make it all too complicated. If you're hungry, then eat until you're satisfied. If you're not hungry, then don't eat. There are some days when you will eat 7 meals a day and others where you only have 4 meals.
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Rodja... Bro, I think that is just a little too simple! You are correct with that philosophy, but here is the trouble with it, food cravings can imitate hunger, then you eat more than you need to and/or should and look like me when I'm off my diet vs. looking like me when I have been dieting.
 
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ScottyDoc said:
Rodja... Bro, I think that is just a little too simple! You are correct with that philosophy, but here is the trouble with it, food cravings can imitate hunger, then you eat more than you need to and/or should and look like me when I'm off my diet vs. looking like me when I have been dieting.
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Food selection is different from number of feedings. Plus, if you've gotten to the point of massive food cravings, then you've waited too long to eat.
 
I've bulked on IF, I actually find it hard to restrain myself on calories in my 8 hour window. Easy to bust 4K calories. Like right now, I could totally go for a bowl of sludge, but I'm going to restrain myself since my calories are already pretty high for the day, and I only started eating 3 hours ago.

It's all about what works for you. I think IF is best for restraining the amount of time you have to eat like a lard ass (if you're prone to that). If you have to spread your meals through the day to get the calories you need, then do it that way. If you need restraint, then IF might be good. It's probably helped me stay leaner on my bulk than I normally would, but even now I'm trending higher on my intake.

All the information points to nitrogen (protein) and calorie balance over 24hrs being the key factor in gaining/losing, regardless of fasting or not. The biggest factor in timing is post workout nutrition as that's the only time your body favorably partitions food to your muscles. Otherwise, any time seems to be as good as another.
 
Rodja said:
Food selection is different from number of feedings. Plus, if you've gotten to the point of massive food cravings, then you've waited too long to eat.
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I know what you are saying, but I'm talking about not being hungry, smelling popcorn and craving it so bad your stomach growls kind of thing, get what I'm saying, same thing if you see a really favorite food, you crave it so bad that you feel hungry, so I agree with you, just making the point of... "Easier said than done!"
 
CoorsLight126 said:
Seems to me 90% of you guys ranting and raving over this diet are under 200 lbs, I'm not knocking you for that, all I'm saying is where are the guys with a ton of lean muscle and low bodyfat talking about this diet? And please shut up about all of this ancestor bull****, our ancestors were also a lot smaller and died a lot younger. For every retard who shouts about ancestors I could show you a bodybuilder who eats a ton of oats, grits, and white potatoes and eats all day. Most of the people I trained in the past had one thing in common, they did not eat during the first half of the day, AND THEY WERE FATTER THAN ****!!! I had to get them to start eating breakfast to see some real changes. All this crap is so nit picky blown out of proportion its beyond retarded. "Insulin sensitivity this, release GH that, 80 grams of this, 30 grams of that" Think about what your saying to yourselves "Its much more convenient and easier for me" so now the truth comes out, bodybuilding is work!!
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Need I list members who compete that are on it:
DreamWeaver - 51 y/o and in better shape then you...
MrKleen73 - 210 pounds and 6% BF at 5'8"
Me - 212 pounds though I am not as muscular as you
Rick -
I can keep going.

I think the 6 meal a day diet is complete crap, there is no science to support it but it works for people so why knock it? I am a meso/endo and I gain weight just looking at food and struggle to lose fat. I do lean gains, do very little cardio, add muscle or at the very least lose none, cut up consistently since I started, eat carbs and set PRs with an average caloric intake a week of many 2300 calories. I take no AAS/DS at the moment and think that says a lot about the diet considering I do about 1 cardio workout a week. Is it right for everyone, no. Does it take adjusting to, most definitely. Are you an ass for being so narrow minded, that is without question. Not everyone wants to be 5'8" and 240, if I was equivalent at my height I would be 260 and have every single employee on my ass at my company about taking steroids. Think outside your world for a second and realize you are not always right, there are many ways to skin a cat and you are perpetuating the stereotype of a user of AAS with your attitude. Please don't, I don't when I am on so why do you have to be that guy?
 
ScottyDoc said:
I know what you are saying, but I'm talking about not being hungry, smelling popcorn and craving it so bad your stomach growls kind of thing, get what I'm saying, same thing if you see a really favorite food, you crave it so bad that you feel hungry, so I agree with you, just making the point of... "Easier said than done!"
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All diet discipline is "easier said than done."
 
Hey Coors... This guy doesn't think that Lean Gains & IF is worth a damn either, LoL
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Rodja said:
Food selection is different from number of feedings. Plus, if you've gotten to the point of massive food cravings, then you've waited too long to eat.
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The odd thing is that in my experience (and in many others experience) food cravings actually diminishes on IF. Many people who have done 16/8 report the feeling that they aren't as hungry as they used to be. In my experience I'm hungry much more often when I eat throughout the day than I am when doing IF. It doesn't sound like it makes any sense at all, but that is my experience.
 
ScottyDoc said:
Hey Coors... This guy doesn't think that Lean Gains & IF is worth a damn either, LoL
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HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA, oh ****.
 
Ok, wow, where do i begin. First of all, you must be the typical bb'er type that thinks he is gods gift to lifting and the weightroom. I bet you go around saying "hear ye! Hear ye, all bow down to me because I know all. I am omnipotent. Get real man. Look, You are pissing off people because you are trying to put words into people's mouths.

No one ever said this was the best way to do anything. All that people said was that it is a VERY EFFECTICE way of adding LBM and maintain over the long haul. You need to understand that your body doesnt "NEED" a constant supply of anything. Have you ever wonder how much your body would thank you if you werent shoveling loads of protein down it all the time? You probably didnt think about that because you're doing what all the juiced up pro bb'ers are doing.

You are the type that thinks that if you dont eat 40g protein every 2-3hrs that your body with start catabolizing its' muscles.

Please show me where someone said that what they are doing is the "best". (please show me)

How about reading something a guys named Wes Silveira posted on his forum (he is highly regarded as a great trainer and has trained some big time guys in the bb'ing world.

Here are some of his quotes (and if you say he has no idea of what he is talking about, you sir have no clue)

1) I am doing a diet that violates a very large percentage of my firm beliefs about dieting and especially about dieting for the weight trainee. My reasons for doing the diet will in no way be reflected by the average trainee. But here is my rational for doing the diet.

2) After 20+ years of force feeding myself, and 10 years prior to that of doing a "bodybuilding diet" albeit on "not enough food" I am quite frankly tired of eating so much. At 3 weeks away from my 47th birthday things slow down, but my metabolism is still fast...

3) Charles Poliquin (yea, i'm sure he is really dumb btw) has some very wacky ideas on diet and training, but speaks highly or Ori Hofmekler and his dieting theories, and sometimes, the wacky ideas are just that--sometimes they are genious.

4) I will say it is HIGHLY unlikely a competitive level physique could ever be built on this diet, but a lean athletic one could. (please make sure u read this twice)

5) I am still getting 250-275 grams of protein on a non-training day, and about 300 grams on a training day. calories overall are 2600-2750 on a non-training day, and 3000-3200 on a training day--especially if it is an ice cream day.

6) Best of all zero bloat all day and I feel better than when on a keto. Energy levels and motivation are great--this is largely because the sympathetic nervous system is going full force on the undereating stage. (Read about the sympathetic n.s. )

7) I eat 3 x on a non-workout day, and 4 x on a workout day. They are just very small meals with protein and veggies, or protein and berries.

8) I have been on my modified version of the warrior diet since last October. Simply put, it blows every other diet I have ever done out of the water all things considered. And by that I mean quality of life, ease of diet, overall energy level, and gym performance. If I wanted to weigh 250 again, I would likely be dieting the way I have the guys I work with that are 200+ and trying to get to 250-270. LOTS of food, stay on the fat side (under 15-16%, but most of the year 12%+) and with the understanding that you are not going to look as good as possible year round

9) I have about 50 people doing the diet now and feedback has been insanely positive. Increased energy, WAY more time in the day due to almost zero food prep time and eating time during the day. AWESOME gym performance, and body comp going the way they want at a very satisfying pace.

10) Want a pro-bodybuilder physique? This isn't the diet, and you don't likely have the genetics anyway :)

** Is that enough for ya? But im sure you will scoff at all this and twist it like u seem to do.

** hmmmm...And i bet you are one that uses whey protein too.......got ya thinking dont i?

Im done.


CoorsLight126 said:
I dont personal attack **** unless someone comes at me thinking they are Arnold Schwarzenegger. Guys, seriously, quit telling yourself this method of dieting is better than giving yourself a consistent feed of nutrients and protein. All jokes aside, you guys work out hard, do cardio, burn calories. Why are you fasting like this? Its flat out stupid. Dudes have been making lean gains and getting in single digit bodyfat for years and years, its nothing new. All you need to do is eat clean and adjust your calories to fall within the right range. As for making any gains on a fast, everyone likes to think that what they are doing is the best but anyone who has ever made serious gains has fueled their body with lots of food and nutrients-more than they burn. "When I started this I got headaches" some say. Well dumbasses, that is nature telling you something, eat!! Why would you go 16 hrs straight with no food in your system, its a frikken recipe for disaster!! As for the natural guys, all power to ya, I respect that. But there comes a point when your body either has the right amount of chemicals to keep growing or it does not, period. All of these little tricks up your sleeve you think you have are smoke up your asses. I'm done with this bull****, keep listening to all of these talking parrots and "rep power" frikken joke. I'm done, ok you win, stay small retards
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TheMeatus101 said:
Man this ****'s confusing. 16 hour fasting then in 8 hours your supposed to consume alot of calories, excuse me for sounding air-headed but i've never been good with a scheduled type diet.
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It's really not that confusing. You just eat as you normally would but in an 8 hour time window. For a lot of people that's around 3 meals, maybe some snacks, who knows.

My setup is this: I stop eating at 8 p.m., usually going to bed at 10 so I "fast" for two hours before bed. Then I sleep from 7-8 (it's the summer now so I'm a little more scattered than when I'm working full time). Then it's just a matter of not eating until noon. I just don't eat from 8 p.m. until noon the next day. I'm really only awake for approximately 6 of those hours anyways.

Then from noon-8 I eat as I "normally" would. Most of my meals average around 700 calories, and I get in some snacks/whey protein as well. It's not nearly as complicated as some people make it sound.
 
seccsi said:
Then from noon-8 I eat as I "normally" would. Most of my meals average around 700 calories, and I get in some snacks/whey protein as well. It's not nearly as complicated as some people make it sound.
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I have a very intricate algorithm for determining my food and eating on IF. At noon I start eating, at 8PM I stop. Why do these things have to be so dificult!?!?
 
Milas said:
I have a very intricate algorithm for determining my food and eating on IF. At noon I start eating, at 8PM I stop. Why do these things have to be so dificult!?!?
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I also get the feeling like some people freak out about the 8 hours thing like it's not enough time to eat. "I only have 8 hours that I'm allowed to eat! I don't know if I have time to eat!" Lol.

And maybe it's just me but I get a lot more satiety out of 3 800 calorie meals than I would 6 400 calorie meals (2400 calorie diet picked specifically because I don't want to do math).
 
This thread shows definitive proof that there are many supporters of IF. Just the fact that there ate so many adopting this lifestyle speaks loudly about its effectiveness. It may not be for everyone, but it has been for countless amounts of people and its spreading daily like wildfire.

If its one of those things that doesn't do it for you, then don't do it. But certainly don't knock others for doing so.

For me, I will stick with IF and I don't see a time that I will come off of it in my future. I am enjoying being the leanest I have ever been while adding in LBM at the same time. All while eating Pizza, burgers, tacos, fried chicken and whatever else:food:

Like many, I am getting the best of both worlds and having my cake and eating it too. Doesn't sound like any fun does it?
 
RickRock13 said:
This thread shows definitive proof that there are many supporters of IF. Just the fact that there ate so many adopting this lifestyle speaks loudly about its effectiveness. It may not be for everyone, but it has been for countless amounts of people and its spreading daily like wildfire.

If its one of those things that doesn't do it for you, then don't do it. But certainly don't knock others for doing so.

For me, I will stick with IF and I don't see a time that I will come off of it in my future. I am enjoying being the leanest I have ever been while adding in LBM at the same time. All while eating Pizza, burgers, tacos, fried chicken and whatever else:food:

Like many, I am getting the best of both worlds and having my cake and eating it too. Doesn't sound like any fun does it?
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Preach on brother Rick!!!!!!
 
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