The Blacklist- Terms/Conditions

[AaronJP1]

Personally if the logger doesn't show up anymore that is the reason for the black list. If logger reappears with hey XXX happened to me sorry I'll make it up to company then that's worth reconsidering.

True. Black listing makes me look like "The Bad Guy."

 

[thebigt]

geez...people come and go on this forum all the time. most of the major players when i joined are all gone. i had issues with my internet provider and didn't post much for a few months, when i started posting regularly again it was a whole lot of new players...the point i am making is that life happens, what we should be concerned about is a guy like suresha who keeps reappearing just long enough to sneak in apps on new company sponsors[and reps]who aren't aware of his shenanigans!!! i honestly believe that the majority of guys who put apps in really do make every effort to fulfill their obligation, sometimes life just gets in the way......




guys like suresha on the other hand.........

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

I only apply to steal product! Blacklist me bish!

 

[AaronJP1]

I only apply to steal product! Blacklist me bish!

Ok will do.

 

[EasyEJL]

It happening once is a reason for companies to be cautious in picking them, when its 2 or 3 times then i see black list

 

[AaronJP1]

It happening once is a reason for companies to be cautious in picking them, when its 2 or 3 times then i see black list

That's a logical thought as well.

 

[T-Bone]

What about the influx of newbs in every company promotion thread?. Seriously, what is going on with that?. Do they just search google for "Free supplements" and that's how they end up here?.

 

[T-Bone]

Just tried googling "free supplements" and ended up on youtube and there are a ton of videos from guys explaining how to go to bb.com and "get free supplements". People are pretty greedy. Sure I've entered some promotions but these newbs who promotion hop disgust me. Maybe have some rules that you need to be an established user of at least one year before being able to enter promotions and giveaways.

 

[AaronJP1]

Just tried googling "free supplements" and ended up on youtube and there are a ton of videos from guys explaining how to go to bb.com and "get free supplements". People are pretty greedy. Sure I've entered some promotions but these newbs who promotion hop disgust me. Maybe have some rules that you need to be an established user of at least 2 years before being able to enter promotions and giveaways.

Oh yeah just count me out...

 

[T-Bone]

Oh yeah just count me out...

Ok I guess 1 year is good enough.

 

[thebigt]

Just tried googling "free supplements" and ended up on youtube and there are a ton of videos from guys explaining how to go to bb.com and "get free supplements". People are pretty greedy. Sure I've entered some promotions but these newbs who promotion hop disgust me. Maybe have some rules that you need to be an established user of at least one year before being able to enter promotions and giveaways.

even better, limit the amount of promotions 1 member can have a app in at any one time!!! i see the same guys enter every damned promo

 

[hvactech]

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/214599-farenheit-nutrition-gf.htmlits

well i hate to do this but i would not sponsor this person again, the log speaks for itself. if she responds with an explanation then i will edit this post.

 

[thebigt]

Maybe have some rules that you need to be an established user of at least one year before being able to enter promotions and giveaways.

lol...hell, half of the reps on here haven't even been a member for a year.......:usaribbon:

 

[AaronJP1]

lol...hell, half of the reps on here haven't even been a member for a year.......:usaribbon:

Remember who sponsors you.
Reps did the job they needed to do to be where they needed/wanted to be.

 

[hvactech]

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/214599-farenheit-nutrition-gf.htmlits

well i hate to do this but i would not sponsor this person again, the log speaks for itself. if she responds with an explanation then i will edit this post.

not sure why link won't work. screen name is bella600

 

[thebigt]

Remember who sponsors you.
Reps did the job they needed to do to be where they needed/wanted to be.

lol...it is what it is, things change.

 

[double s]

What about companies that advertise free samples but don't follow thru????

 

[AaronJP1]

What about companies that advertise free samples but don't follow thru????

:blink:

 

[Sourdough]

What about companies that advertise free samples but don't follow thru????

I've actually had this happen where I'm a reasonable person, i don't sign up for multiple promotions at once. I've submitted my personal info after going through a comprehensive selection process filling out detailed applications and compiling past logs only to be told week after week that "it's just shipped" and really it never arrives and i watch many other great logging opportunities come and go...

While they can't go on a blacklist necessarily... they are a company after all... there should be some sort of repercussion against the company or some sort of compensation required of a company if we are to be held accountable as well.

Bottom line is, I've posted on boards for over 8 years. I've dedicated TONS of hours, days and at this point years of my life to amassing knowledge on products in general how they effect ones physiology and more importantly how i personally react to different compounds. I feel my time and input is valuable and my feedback is candid and informative.

Sure i get to try a supplement for "free" but believe me considering how much i make for my regular job, they are getting my time for one hell of a discount. Not to mention a possible positive and comprehensive review of their product.


So while this quoted comment may sound silly to some, he makes a VERY valid point. Accountability should be just as important on both ends of the spectrum.

 

[kingjameskjf]

Accountability yes, such as running a full promo on behalf of a company and then shafting the winners. That has happened to me with AMS years ago. However a rep offering free samples, I mean come on. First off it's FREE, you didn't earn it, you didn't apply for it, and it isn't OWED to you. Secondly, you can't necessarily hold a single rep accountable for the entire company for something so trivial and silly. Sure it would be nice to get the free samples but let's face it, some reps are much better at representing their company then others. Many have things that come up and paying postage to send out a couple free samples is low on the priority scale.

 

[Sourdough]

Accountability yes, such as running a full promo on behalf of a company and then shafting the winners. That has happened to me with AMS years ago. However a rep offering free samples, I mean come on. First off it's FREE, you didn't earn it, you didn't apply for it, and it isn't OWED to you. Secondly, you can't necessarily hold a single rep accountable for the entire company for something so trivial and silly. Sure it would be nice to get the free samples but let's face it, some reps are much better at representing their company then others. Many have things that come up and paying postage to send out a couple free samples is low on the priority scale.

agreed

 

[Sourdough]

Can I nominate IFORCE? Won but no delivery! Not mad...just pointing out its not always the winner who fails....

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/208349-complete-carnitine-stack-5.html

I've had good and bad luck running i force logs.... one got the product to me and the other time it never showed.

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Unfortunately guys we cannot blacklist paying sponsors.
Sucks when they don't send you what they promised but I doubt Admin is going to let the board's non paying members kick out their source of income.

 

[Cary K]

Accountability yes, such as running a full promo on behalf of a company and then shafting the winners. That has happened to me with AMS years ago. However a rep offering free samples, I mean come on. First off it's FREE, you didn't earn it, you didn't apply for it, and it isn't OWED to you. Secondly, you can't necessarily hold a single rep accountable for the entire company for something so trivial and silly. Sure it would be nice to get the free samples but let's face it, some reps are much better at representing their company then others. Many have things that come up and paying postage to send out a couple free samples is low on the priority scale.

Very true and Agree 100%

 

[double s]

Accountability yes, such as running a full promo on behalf of a company and then shafting the winners. That has happened to me with AMS years ago. However a rep offering free samples, I mean come on. First off it's FREE, you didn't earn it, you didn't apply for it, and it isn't OWED to you. Secondly, you can't necessarily hold a single rep accountable for the entire company for something so trivial and silly. Sure it would be nice to get the free samples but let's face it, some reps are much better at representing their company then others. Many have things that come up and paying postage to send out a couple free samples is low on the priority scale.

I can respect what you are saying BUT when there is a company banner at the top of Anabolic Minds offering free samples and when numerous people are not receiving them, this is a problem. You guys aren't stupid, you can figure out who I am talking about. But like anything, one company does not spoil it for the others.

 

[cokeholio]

I've been a member for a long time now and never received any free products from any company except samples from nutraplanet

 

[kingjameskjf]

I've been a member for a long time now and never received any free products from any company except samples from nutraplanet

Nobody owes you FREE products. If you want to earn some by doing reviews or logs, then just put up some apps in the company promo section.

 

[thebigt]

I've actually had this happen where I'm a reasonable person, i don't sign up for multiple promotions at once. I've submitted my personal info after going through a comprehensive selection process filling out detailed applications and compiling past logs only to be told week after week that "it's just shipped" and really it never arrives and i watch many other great logging opportunities come and go...

While they can't go on a blacklist necessarily... they are a company after all... there should be some sort of repercussion against the company or some sort of compensation required of a company if we are to be held accountable as well.

Bottom line is, I've posted on boards for over 8 years. I've dedicated TONS of hours, days and at this point years of my life to amassing knowledge on products in general how they effect ones physiology and more importantly how i personally react to different compounds. I feel my time and input is valuable and my feedback is candid and informative.

Sure i get to try a supplement for "free" but believe me considering how much i make for my regular job, they are getting my time for one hell of a discount. Not to mention a possible positive and comprehensive review of their product.


So while this quoted comment may sound silly to some, he makes a VERY valid point. Accountability should be just as important on both ends of the spectrum.

exactly...considering how much advertising in magazines cost, giving away a few products for month long logs/reviews is very, very cheap!!!
it must be, because you see a promo section on almost every forum, plus how often do companies get screwed by suresha's, not very often...this whole friggin thread is a whole lot made out of nothing, imo.




geezus....i bet companies give away more free stuff at the arnold in one day than all the companies combined lose out on by non-loggers in 5 f'ing years, lol. get over it!!!!

 

[cokeholio]

Nobody owes you FREE products. If you want to earn some by doing reviews or logs, then just put up some apps in the company promo section.

Relax kingjames, never said anyone owed me anything, just noticed for as long as I've been a member I don't recall getting any promos or products and ur right it's because I don't put up apps or ask about them.

 

[kingjameskjf]

Relax kingjames, never said anyone owed me anything, just noticed for as long as I've been a member I don't recall getting any promos or products and ur right it's because I don't put up apps or ask about them.

Not trying to attack you bud, just pointing out that there is no right or entitlement to free products except through the company promos when selected. Throw some apps in and I'm sure you'll get your chance to log a product if you want it.

 

[Sourdough]

exactly...considering how much advertising in magazines cost, giving away a few products for month long logs/reviews is very, very cheap!!!
it must be, because you see a promo section on almost every forum, plus how often do companies get screwed by suresha's, not very often...this whole friggin thread is a whole lot made out of nothing, imo.

geezus....i bet companies give away more free stuff at the arnold in one day than all the companies combined lose out on by non-loggers in 5 f'ing years, lol. get over it!!!!

The proof is in the pudding...

This thread was made, my guess in response to one individual... maybe a couple... but then there were no admissions for about 6 months till it was bumped... then not much again until this single member again goes on a supp whoring spree..

I agree there should be repercussions against said types of members. That's as simple as a rep pming a mod... there's already rules covering this when you join that you agree to...No need for a list of parameters before admission of names for blacklist/banning, waiting period and so on... Just ban the a hole and be done with it.

It should be a reps job in the first place when running a promotion to look into a potential loggers previous contributions beyond what's portrayed in a tester application... this would honestly weed out 99% of potential crap candidates.

I'm only saying stuff like this cause I've repped multiple times myself and its really not hard to earn your keep especially when playing with your companies commodities.

Do your job and there won't be an issue in the first place.

 

[thebigt]

The proof is in the pudding...

This thread was made, my guess in response to one individual... maybe a couple... but then there were no admissions for about 6 months till it was bumped... then not much again until this single member again goes on a supp whoring spree..

I agree there should be repercussions against said types of members. That's as simple as a rep pming a mod... there's already rules covering this when you join that you agree to...No need for a list of parameters before admission of names for blacklist/banning, waiting period and so on... Just ban the a hole and be done with it.

It should be a reps job in the first place when running a promotion to look into a potential loggers previous contributions beyond what's portrayed in a tester application... this would honestly weed out 99% of potential crap candidates.

I'm only saying stuff like this cause I've repped multiple times myself and its really not hard to earn your keep especially when playing with your companies commodities.

Do your job and there won't be an issue in the first place.

well said!!!

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

Good call Dough.

This is where post counts need to be higher for a product opp log.

Cuts out those cheap skates... Maybe AM can look at putting a log review score for similar to a rep point scoring system. This way people get a feedback on their logging and its recorded

 

[MrMarc]

Good call Dough.

This is where post counts need to be higher for a product opp log.

Cuts out those cheap skates... Maybe AM can look at putting a log review score for similar to a rep point scoring system. This way people get a feedback on their logging and its recorded

I like the post count idea and you should include people that have at least decent rep power to, not to sure about the feedback scoring thing <-- I can see people abusing that system.

 

[thebigt]

I like the post count idea and you should include people that have at least decent rep power to, not to sure about the feedback scoring thing <-- I can see people abusing that system.

lol...like people don't abuse the rep point system...

 

[MrMarc]

lol...like people don't abuse the rep point system...

Well for the most part I think the feedback system would be a lot worse lol haa

 

[lukehayd]

The proof is in the pudding...

This thread was made, my guess in response to one individual... maybe a couple... but then there were no admissions for about 6 months till it was bumped... then not much again until this single member again goes on a supp whoring spree..

I agree there should be repercussions against said types of members. That's as simple as a rep pming a mod... there's already rules covering this when you join that you agree to...No need for a list of parameters before admission of names for blacklist/banning, waiting period and so on... Just ban the a hole and be done with it.

It should be a reps job in the first place when running a promotion to look into a potential loggers previous contributions beyond what's portrayed in a tester application... this would honestly weed out 99% of potential crap candidates.

I'm only saying stuff like this cause I've repped multiple times myself and its really not hard to earn your keep especially when playing with your companies commodities.

Do your job and there won't be an issue in the first place.

The 99% might be a bit high but yes. Of course when a newer member is just starting out, they don't have a background that can be checked into. If no one gives them a chance to log, then they don't get the background for future opps. There are times that a rep goes out on a limb for some people to give them a chance. If we only picked those that had a background to check out, it would be worse with the same people running multiple logs one after the other. It is good to get some new blood and that is what this thread is really all about is the newer guys that have not made a good name for themselves as a respected logger already. After all, most of the reps here pretty much know who is who of the veteran loggers here and this thread is NOT needed for them, just the newer members.

 

[thebigt]

The 99% might be a bit high but yes. Of course when a newer member is just starting out, they don't have a background that can be checked into. If no one gives them a chance to log, then they don't get the background for future opps. There are times that a rep goes out on a limb for some people to give them a chance. If we only picked those that had a background to check out, it would be worse with the same people running multiple logs one after the other. It is good to get some new blood and that is what this thread is really all about is the newer guys that have not made a good name for themselves as a respected logger already. After all, most of the reps here pretty much know who is who of the veteran loggers here and this thread is NOT needed for them, just the newer members.

i like the part where he said just pm a mod, ban the a-hole and be done with it!!!

 

[Sourdough]

The 99% might be a bit high but yes. Of course when a newer member is just starting out, they don't have a background that can be checked into. If no one gives them a chance to log, then they don't get the background for future opps. There are times that a rep goes out on a limb for some people to give them a chance. If we only picked those that had a background to check out, it would be worse with the same people running multiple logs one after the other. It is good to get some new blood and that is what this thread is really all about is the newer guys that have not made a good name for themselves as a respected logger already. After all, most of the reps here pretty much know who is who of the veteran loggers here and this thread is NOT needed for them, just the newer members.

Maybe not 99% but pretty close, this isn't a logging community... logs are done as part of the info sharing done in the community.

There are many other ways someone can contribute to build a reputation and more then anything, free products aren't necessary to perform a log, they can sponsor their own supplement log, review aproduct they already purchased and used or even just run a detailed workout log of their own.

Every opportunity is afforded to them the second they join to prove themselves, no one and no company "has to" give them a chance. They can build their own background.

When it comes to running a sponsored log...

It's not a right, it's a privilege.

 

[lukehayd]

Maybe not 99% but pretty close, this isn't a logging community... logs are done as part of the info sharing done in the community.

There are many other ways someone can contribute to build a reputation and more then anything, free products aren't necessary to perform a log, they can sponsor their own supplement log, review aproduct they already purchased and used or even just run a detailed workout log of their own.

Every opportunity is afforded to them the second they join to prove themselves, no one and no company "has to" give them a chance. They can build their own background.

When it comes to running a sponsored log...

It's not a right, it's a privilege.

I agree, it is definitely a privilege! The thing about running a log with a product that they bought is that they have a vested stake in it to complete the product. Some don't feel that way with a "free" product. I too believe that the rep has to do their job and check background first. I agree with what you are saying but just throwing in some different variables.

 

[niners4reggie]

Great idea! Logging your progress while on the sample is the best part!! I guess I didn't realize some people on here take advantage of the opportunities they're given. Sad deal.

 

[RoadBlocK]

I think the spirit of this thread is getting a little clouded. When I first started reading am.com, I found the logs very informative, and when looking to purchase a new product, I look for detailed logs to see how it was working, what the "average" guy thought about it, etc. Good logs can come from anybody, and the number of posts, rep points, or length of membership have nothing to do with whether or not someone will run a good detailed log. Unfortunately, Ive seen many, many unfinished and abandoned logs, not everyone from a scumbag just looking to scam a company out of product, some from people who had problems they felt were big enough to not complete their commitment, maybe their kids were sick, or their dog died, or they had to study for finals, or cover a sick coworkers shift. Point is whether its a scumbag trying to scam free products, or a regular joe who had problems, they didn't complete their log, life happens, **** happens, if they agree to do it, and don't, then they go on the black list.

 

[hvactech]

bump

 

[T-Bone]

What about those guys that are doing like 5 logs at a time?.

 

[hvactech]

ive noticed the same people apply for every promo and sadly get chosen over and over....

 

[Sean1332]

and they run crap logs as well

 

[Geoforce]

What about those guys that are doing like 5 logs at a time?.

Bro to test the effects of a new supplement I start by running at least 6 other new supplements at the same time. That was we have a better idea of how it works with other stuff on the market.

Also I don't run logs of new products unless I'm on cycle. That way we know how it effects people who are on a cycle.

 

[lukehayd]

Possibly

 

[T-Bone]

Is anyone actually on the black list?

 

[hvactech]

No one still on the forums