The Anabolic Minds Supplement Roundtable

Random question, but has anyone tried using bioperine with caffeine to increase its effects? I'm currently trying Decimate and it's kick is much stronger than 200mg of caffeine usually has on me and I'm not convinced the paeonol/PEA combo is whats doing it.
 
BlackWinging said:
Random question, but has anyone tried using bioperine with caffeine to increase its effects? I'm currently trying Decimate and it's kick is much stronger than 200mg of caffeine usually has on me and I'm not convinced the paeonol/PEA combo is whats doing it.
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I use bioperine with things like quercetin, muira puama and I3C, but - for me - with caffeine - I usually just slug down another cup o' Joe - so, no, I don't use bioperine with caffeine.
 
BlackWinging said:
Random question, but has anyone tried using bioperine with caffeine to increase its effects? I'm currently trying Decimate and it's kick is much stronger than 200mg of caffeine usually has on me and I'm not convinced the paeonol/PEA combo is whats doing it.
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I would doubt caffeine is enhanced this way as it has great oral bioavailability. I'm pretty sure it can be absorbed in all parts of the digestive tract as well. Interesting though.
 
rob112 said:
I would doubt caffeine is enhanced this way as it has great oral bioavailability. I'm pretty sure it can be absorbed in all parts of the digestive tract as well. Interesting though.
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Dendrobium might enhance the effects:)
 
rob112 said:
I would doubt caffeine is enhanced this way as it has great oral bioavailability. I'm pretty sure it can be absorbed in all parts of the digestive tract as well. Interesting though.
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Right, pretty much blanked on that. Maybe it helps increase it's half-life? Piperine does inhibit one of enzymes that metabolize caffeine, so maybe that could help explain it.
 
EBF Inc said:
Also I remember it being a dgat1 inhibitor
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The dgat1 inhibition along with the down-regulation of ppar-y activity and expression make it seem like it would be great for a lean bulk/recomp, I wonder why bioperine isn't in more products other than for increasing nutrient uptake?
 
BlackWinging said:
The dgat1 inhibition along with the down-regulation of ppar-y activity and expression make it seem like it would be great for a lean bulk/recomp, I wonder why bioperine isn't in more products other than for increasing nutrient uptake?
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I have no idea. But I hav a formula I want to use that has it and a few other things in it
 
im wondering why the dendrobium made my eyesight better? I havnt used contacts ever since the first tub of craze was sent out to me. ETH doent do that right?
 
rob112 said:
I highly doubt that study was conducted man.
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well im pretty sure any placebo effect would have worn off 3 yrs later?? im not ****ting. didn't even go to the eye dr this yr for a check up. I can read stuff at a distance that I couldn't before. also I have pigment displacement syndrome, its a precursor to glaucoma, makes my eyes very light sensitive.. I can handle more light now too. weird I know but I have got to believe there is something to it.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
well im pretty sure any placebo effect would have worn off 3 yrs later?? im not ****ting. didn't even go to the eye dr this yr for a check up. I can read stuff at a distance that I couldn't before. also I have pigment displacement syndrome, its a precursor to glaucoma, makes my eyes very light sensitive.. I can handle more light now too. weird I know but I have got to believe there is something to it.
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Very interesting to say the least. Maybe one of our pre-doctors could elaborate.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
well im pretty sure any placebo effect would have worn off 3 yrs later?? im not ****ting. didn't even go to the eye dr this yr for a check up. I can read stuff at a distance that I couldn't before. also I have pigment displacement syndrome, its a precursor to glaucoma, makes my eyes very light sensitive.. I can handle more light now too. weird I know but I have got to believe there is something to it.
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But was this a controlled experiment? :)
 
Spaniard said:
And in response to your question my personal preference if or when I used to use protein I opted for blends. To be honest people usually sweat the small **** for minor differences instead of eating more and working out.

Data, so on and so forth, obsessing over the most minute details when lifting as a hobbyist is absurd. You know when my best gains came? My most strength? When I dropped the protein, stfu killed it in the gym and ate adequately. Protein supplements IMO are unnecessary, data shmata.

In 4 - but the data says...

Results are what I'm after period. I've never noticed a difference from using pro supps and not so, even if there is a statistical difference its insignificant to my body. My advice don't waste the cash. You guys analyze data I'll be EATING, yacking at every workout and taking my bulk products progressing every workout.

Roundtable this ish up!
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Protein powders are not really "supplements" it's just a food replacement

Protein is protein, of course it's better to get it from actual foods but shakes are convenient to add in some extra protein in your diet in the day.

Protein powders are still sourced from food (dairy, cheese etc) but yeah it does get a bit much when all the other junk is added. A basic protein powder can be handy for anyone!
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
im wondering why the dendrobium made my eyesight better? I havnt used contacts ever since the first tub of craze was sent out to me. ETH doent do that right?
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Most people actually report blurry vision with dendrobium. The plant appears to possess anti-muscarinic compounds which should worsen accomodation
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
well im pretty sure any placebo effect would have worn off 3 yrs later?? im not ****ting. didn't even go to the eye dr this yr for a check up. I can read stuff at a distance that I couldn't before. also I have pigment displacement syndrome, its a precursor to glaucoma, makes my eyes very light sensitive.. I can handle more light now too. weird I know but I have got to believe there is something to it.
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There's literally no way it permanently improved your vision. It was probably secondary to various other causes. My vision gets considerably worse during the school year from reading at 1-2 feet distance from a computer, then improves rather drastically over the summer.
 
How about plain old ALA..can we get say some discussion going on. Thought it was beneficial although least effective of Ala's, but have read mostly conflicting info on it
 
good2Badawg said:
How about plain old ALA..can we get say some discussion going on. Thought it was beneficial although least effective of Ala's, but have read mostly conflicting info on it
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Seems to be all antioxidants. I think what will matter is why you take it, dosage, and timing.
 
good2Badawg said:
Initially to take with alcar. But interested not just in an anti-ox sense but also as a gda, or heck any other benefit it could produce
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Na R ALA would be better suited for taking alongside ALCAR
 
Celorza said:
They polymerize together if you mix them in water
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Is there by chance a topic or list on here of other 'do-not-mix' supplements? This has me wondering now. Using several powders regularly including ALCAR
 
BlackWinging said:
ALA still gives all the benefits NA-R-ALA does, you just may need to take more to get the same benefits.
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Is there a standardized ratio of ALA to R-ALA? Bottom line, what are some protocols for dosing ALA for each of its potential benefits? Not its mighty big brother Na-R--ALA either lol
 
And also, thanks for the discussion. I know its been talked about in various threads, but no real compilation of info on simply ALA
 
good2Badawg said:
And also, thanks for the discussion. I know its been talked about in various threads, but no real compilation of info on simply ALA
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There are a few very long and detailed thread on ALCAR and what it should be combined with. As I recall, the information was great.
 
Beau said:
There are a few very long and detailed thread on ALCAR and what it should be combined with. As I recall, the information was great.
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Thanks, but im not just interested in coingesting it with alcar. And, most of that info pertained to one of the other forms of ala
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Not quite. The S-form (50/50 in ALA) considerably hampers absorption, Cmax, etc...something you will never see with R/NA-R-ALA
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I know the S form was supposed to compete for absorption, but I didn't know that it may actually reduce the actions of the R form and carry detrimental effects to mitochondrial metabolism.

Well, I still have a bottle of the racemic mix, but after I'll switch back. Thanks for the knowledge.
 
Always a fan of PA's work...thoughts on the new 1,3 alt for clear shot?

truthornothin said:
Clearshot contains two new energy producing ingredients to help
boost mental and physical performance.

The first of these naturally occurring ingredients, is called
Echinospine. Echinospine is a constituent of globe thistle and has a history of use in Bulgaria and other countries as a safe stimulant/nootropic to treat fatigue and depression.

The other naturally occurring ingredient is 2-amino-5-methylheptane.
This product is found in natural plant species such as Acontium
kusnezoffii as well as som algae species. It is an aliphatic amine
with adrenaline like activity. It too has a history of use and
safety in Europe.
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Something I have always wanted to learn more about are glucose disposal agents.... Are they worth the consideration?
 
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