The Anabolic Minds Supplement Roundtable

mr.cooper69 said:
Np bro. One final point to consider is that creatine enters the brain via a transporter that is operating at near-saturation kinetics at rest (no creatine supplementation). So getting supraphysiological amounts of creatine into the brain may prove difficult in vivo
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I'm not going to thank you again...

Alright guys we've tabled creatine, fadogia, berberine, and that stuff touey was talking about, which I admittedly have no clue WTF it is outside of Tribulus but to be honest in regards to anything involving Tribulus, no... Just no...

Any other opinions?
 
Spaniard said:
I'm not going to thank you again...

Alright guys we've tabled creatine, fadogia, berberine, and that stuff touey was talking about, which I admittedly have no clue WTF it is outside of Tribulus but to be honest in regards to anything involving Tribulus, no... Just no...

Any other opinions?
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I hear Trib is great for Test boosting and Arginine is great for pumps; thoughts? ;)

What is everyones thoughts on supplementing with creatine when reps are over 10 and rest periods are ~30s (i.e. not enough time for phosocreatine stores to fully replenish).
 
Jiigzz said:
I hear Trib is great for Test boosting and Arginine is great for pumps; thoughts? ;)

What is everyones thoughts on supplementing with creatine when reps are over 10 and rest periods are ~30s (i.e. not enough time for phosocreatine stores to fully replenish).
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Creatine has many benefits other than the immediate boosts in strength. Reducing soreness and increasing protein synthesis are a few.. If those sound good to you, I'd keep supplementing with it
 
aceroni said:
Creatine has many benefits other than the immediate boosts in strength. Reducing soreness and increasing protein synthesis are a few.. If those sound good to you, I'd keep supplementing with it
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Does it increase protein synthesis or decrease protein oxidation rates? Or both?
 
Jiigzz said:
I hear Trib is great for Test boosting and Arginine is great for pumps; thoughts? ;)
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All anyone needs is Arginine and Tribulus, done
 
Jiigzz said:
Does it increase protein synthesis or decrease protein oxidation rates? Or both?
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I actually wrote my capstone paper on creatine.

From what I remember, it increases protein synthesis (obviously nothing compared to exogenous hormones) but every bit helps.

Most studies I used were around 12 Weeks in length, and most found an increase in lbm when compared to the placebo.

I don't remember anything about decreasing protein oxidation. I apologize if i'm incorrect.

Moral of the story: drink your celltech if you want to look like Ronnie Coleman, kids.
 
Could we please discuss Ipamorelin have been on about two years is the only thing really to helping sleeping with no residual groggy feeling next day.
Have researched extensively still would welcome thought some may have HERE on safety, benefits, etc.
I know this is supplements but is only a peptide. Nevertheless if this is out of bounds for us to discuss on this thread please moderator will just post to me here I will start different table for it.
 
What's the verdict on Methyl Synephrine, bunk or effective..? I've heard conflicting sides to the argument, there are supporters of the ingredient while others say it's useless and doesn't compare to oxilofrine.

Thoughts?
 
Philosophy said:
What's the verdict on Methyl Synephrine, bunk or effective..? I've heard conflicting sides to the argument, there are supporters of the ingredient while others say it's useless and doesn't compare to oxilofrine.

Thoughts?
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Spaniard said:
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All anyone needs is Arginine and Tribulus, done
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What's the PCT for Tribulus?? I hear it's anabolic effects are off the charts...and man, the aquatic version of it seems to have given arnold his biceps!
 
Celorza said:
What's the PCT for Tribulus?? I hear it's anabolic effects are off the charts...and man, the aquatic version of it seems to have given arnold his biceps!
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Sometime I have feeling Celorza is being less then truthful with me
 
Touey said:
Sometime I have feeling Celorza is being less then truthful with me
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Haha it was just a joke Touey :). I have seen even some of my personal friends tell me that they are making humongous gains out of Trib , or that they are set for PCT with it and I set them straight. Got any opinion on either Touey? Perhaps a Touey Table?
 
Celorza said:
Haha it was just a joke Touey :). I have seen even some of my personal friends tell me that they are making humongous gains out of Trib , or that they are set for PCT with it and I set them straight. Got any opinion on either Touey? Perhaps a Touey Table?
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I love that saying they are set for PCT for Trib lol oh well they are having fun good for them much safe then some too young are taking.
 
I used creatine mono on a regular basis for years. Although I am a non-responder as far as strength and size increases are concerned, I take it for better overall health. I have yet to read a negative scientific report on this product. I have also tried the buffered forms of creatine, the HCL versions as well as the effervesent forms, etc. These, at least for me, don't work any better than mono. My theory is that people who's diets are high in animal protien will not respond well to creatine in any form.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I'd contend that what is written in the "editor's note" about agmatine + creatine is a gross oversimplification. Agmatine taken with anything will reduce total NMDA signaling if given at the right dose. Comparing two studies done in a test tube is indeed quite irrelevant when you consider how NMDA signaling actually works in vivo (which involves changes a host of preceding events to make it even possible).

You can follow along here if you want to gather edits for your ingredients. You have a great site by the way, regardless of our disagreement here. Putting things in physiological context is the key.
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I am legitimately confused. Editors Thoughts for creatine and agmatine respectively:

I honestly see no reason why somebody shouldn't supplement creatine, nor do I see any logical basis for the seeming 'fear' of this compound in society.

It's safe, it's healthy, it's cheap, and for most people, it just works. Get some Creatine Monohydrate, take 5g a day, and you're good to go.

If humans didn't make any in the body, this thing would be a vitamin. There do exist deficiency symptoms that result in mental retardation.[2] They're rare, but they pretty much establish the importance of this molecule as a vitamin-like compound.
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I would not worry too much about Agmatine and blood pressure. Although NOS inhibitors usually should increase blood pressure, agmatine does not last long in serum (10 minutes or less) and taking one dose at a separate time from your arginine or citrulline supplementation should not interfere with the benefits thereof.

Also, this thing is synergistic with everything illicit or pharmaceutical it seems (Bupropion, alcohol, marijuana, opioidergic drugs). Perhaps the most interesting thing to come from agmatine in the future is the drug-drug interactions.

Some oral pharmacokinetic studies in humans are sorely needed to help harmonize the in vitro studies to supplementation of agmatine.
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But - you are also correct. It was poor of us to put creatine/agmatine as does not go well with each other. A leap, and we will expand on the potential competition in the complete summaries.

Also thanks for all the kind words :) Feel free to PM me if I ever miss a thread you guys would like our input on.
 
Philosophy said:
What's the verdict on Methyl Synephrine, bunk or effective..? I've heard conflicting sides to the argument, there are supporters of the ingredient while others say it's useless and doesn't compare to oxilofrine.

Thoughts?
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I dot feel much on it to be honest. Seems to be a decent amount of evidence behind beta activity but unsure I saw any difference since adding it in
 
SoloX said:
I am legitimately confused. Editors Thoughts for creatine and agmatine respectively:





But - you are also correct. It was poor of us to put creatine/agmatine as does not go well with each other. A leap, and we will expand on the potential competition in the complete summaries.

Also thanks for all the kind words :) Feel free to PM me if I ever miss a thread you guys would like our input on.
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I was speaking about your thoughts on the combination of the two. Both of those quotes are talking about either in isolation and for non-cognitive purposes.

I genuinely meant it when I say you have done well with the website. I'm sure it takes a lot of work to compile that much data, and many compounds I research end up turning up there in one way or an other.

EBF Inc said:
I dot feel much on it to be honest. Seems to be a decent amount of evidence behind beta activity but unsure I saw any difference since adding it in
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You shouldn't feel anything really, as it doesn't penetrate the CNS. Unlike ephedrine, which is a mixed adrenergic agent (indirect sympathomimetic + b2 agonist), MS is almost exclusively a b2-agonist, so the peripheral stimulation is limited as well. Many would consider this a good thing, as it should minimize the side effect profile (diastolic BP will actually drop), while maximizing fat loss and vasodilation (try it preworkout)
 
In and finally caught up... currently having a suppgasm.
 
BBB said:
I used creatine mono on a regular basis for years. Although I am a non-responder as far as strength and size increases are concerned, I take it for better overall health. I have yet to read a negative scientific report on this product. I have also tried the buffered forms of creatine, the HCL versions as well as the effervesent forms, etc. These, at least for me, don't work any better than mono. My theory is that people who's diets are high in animal protien will not respond well to creatine in any form.
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Getting enough creatine through diet only would be a pretty difficult task but I agree with you on everything else creatine mono> designer forms. AND there's no reason not to take it!

Unless contraindicated by a medical condition

booneman77 said:
In and finally caught up... currently having a suppgasm.
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yup go clean up we'll still be here. The roundtable is in full effect.

Celorza said:
What's the PCT for Tribulus?? I hear it's anabolic effects are off the charts...and man, the aquatic version of it seems to have given arnold his biceps!
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Trib is going to pahmp you ahp!
 
Thanks for the starting this good thread Spaniard. Lets try and keep this thing going for awhile.
 
ELROCK said:
Thanks for the starting this good thread Spaniard. Lets try and keep this thing going for awhile.
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No problem man but I can't take all the credit the idea was a group effort... I don't see it going away anytime soon
 
Boy, I hope this doesn't sound (too) stupid, but here goes -- is there any validity to the touted benefits of magnesium oil (which is not an oil actually, but a mixture of magnesium chloride and distilled water)? The claims and benefits sound too good to be true; are they?
 
Beau said:
Boy, I hope this doesn't sound (too) stupid, but here goes -- is there any validity to the touted benefits of magnesium oil (which is not an oil actually, but a mixture of magnesium chloride and distilled water)? The claims and benefits sound too good to be true; are they?
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Good one and good luck. I've actually tested on people in my family and almost all reported joint benefit. I can't find **** to back it up though. It's old school.
 
Beau said:
Boy, I hope this doesn't sound (too) stupid, but here goes -- is there any validity to the touted benefits of magnesium oil (which is not an oil actually, but a mixture of magnesium chloride and distilled water)? The claims and benefits sound too good to be true; are they?
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There aren't any stupid questions in this thread except the one that goes unasked. Magnesium is of great importance. Now the oil, I'm not familiar with a BUT I'm almost positive someone in here has used it I just can't remember who....
 
Beau said:
Boy, I hope this doesn't sound (too) stupid, but here goes -- is there any validity to the touted benefits of magnesium oil (which is not an oil actually, but a mixture of magnesium chloride and distilled water)? The claims and benefits sound too good to be true; are they?
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Let's get a bump on this... leave no stone unturned.

mw1 said:
What should be discuss tonight? Test boosters vs libido boosters?
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Round the guys up lol! Everyone is doing homework!
 
Spaniard said:
Let's get a bump on this... leave no stone unturned.

Round the guys up lol! Everyone is doing homework!
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Wait...so super pure, powerful and Anabolic tribulus doesn't do that?

A common opinion in the forums is that Fadogia is better for the both than the nasty terrestris thing...

Now as far as libido, a good AI and DAA gets me going in both, though that's strictly ANECDOTAL discussion for a supplement forum thread.
 
Celorza said:
Wait...so super pure, powerful and Anabolic tribulus doesn't do that?

A common opinion in the forums is that Fadogia is better for the both than the nasty terrestris thing...

Now as far as libido, a good AI and DAA gets me going in both, though that's strictly ANECDOTAL discussion for a supplement forum thread.
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mw1 said:
What should be discuss tonight? Test boosters vs libido boosters?
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Interesting.

On one hand a product like SuperBeast gets great reviews from people(at least that I've met), yet the profile screams libido booster, not test, and to top that off with such a large profile it is likely underdosed. Isatest and T-Bomb can go in the same boat from anecdotal feedback.

On the other hand you have educated(slightly at least) members of the forum who shy away from these products as the ingredients and the labels claims in testosterone clearly conflict. A lot of these members(again, this is not a rule, just generalizing) claim to take the more proven ingredient profiles and largely give the SAME type of reviews group one gives libido boosters.

All placebo in group A? Is it just the feel good mood that matters sense most test ingredients will have little to no change on body comp? I dunno.


Inb4tldr
 
Beau said:
Boy, I hope this doesn't sound (too) stupid, but here goes -- is there any validity to the touted benefits of magnesium oil (which is not an oil actually, but a mixture of magnesium chloride and distilled water)? The claims and benefits sound too good to be true; are they?
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Its meant to be a transdermal I take it? I would just opt for eating foods higher in magnesium personally but avoid eating with grains as Phytates (mineral stealing) bind to Magnesium and lower bioavailablity.
 
Yes, according to reports, a mixture of magnesium chloride and distilled water are applied topically. I have read that the calcium/magnesium ration is improved significantly, and here may be implications as to increased DHEA.

But, I do not know any of that first hand - but it sounds potentially attractive - if it works.
 
I use topical magnesium salts regualrly. I don't know if they do all that is claimed but they do have significant healing properties.
 
Beau said:
Yes, according to reports, a mixture of magnesium chloride and distilled water are applied topically. I have read that the calcium/magnesium ration is improved significantly, and here may be implications as to increased DHEA.

But, I do not know any of that first hand - but it sounds potentially attractive - if it works.
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No idea on this one i'm afraid. I can see what I can find but this is the first I've heard of doing it topically
 
rob112 said:
Interesting.

On one hand a product like SuperBeast gets great reviews from people(at least that I've met), yet the profile screams libido booster, not test, and to top that off with such a large profile it is likely underdosed. Isatest and T-Bomb can go in the same boat from anecdotal feedback.

On the other hand you have educated(slightly at least) members of the forum who shy away from these products as the ingredients and the labels claims in testosterone clearly conflict. A lot of these members(again, this is not a rule, just generalizing) claim to take the more proven ingredient profiles and largely give the SAME type of reviews group one gives libido boosters.

All placebo in group A? Is it just the feel good mood that matters sense most test ingredients will have little to no change on body comp? I dunno.


Inb4tldr
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Often people interpret increased Libido with increased Test and so they 'feel' like it is doing their job. A good friend of mine who is new to weightlifting was sold a 'very potent test booster' which was actually just trib and later told me how great this product was and how much more test he felt he had. Now obviously this product wasn't doing overly much for him in the test department but because he felt like he had more, I let him be.
 
BBB said:
I use topical magnesium salts regualrly. I don't know if they do all that is claimed but they do have significant healing properties.
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There he is!! Lol
 
All this Protein talk has me wondering, what is the most optimal protein combination? What does the science say?

Forget brands; if one has the availability of any type of protein in its pure form, which will be selected and at what ratio mixed?

My thoughts are Micellar Casein (MPI) + Casein Hydrolysate (Peptopro) + WPI
 
Philosophy said:
All this Protein talk has me wondering, what is the most optimal protein combination? What does the science say?

Forget brands; if one has the availability of any type of protein in its pure form, which will be selected and at what ratio mixed?

My thoughts are Micellar Casein (MPI) + Casein Hydrolysate (Peptopro) + WPI
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Food

And... Where did anyone bring up protein?
 
Philosophy said:
Food has and always will be my focus, the same can be said for everyone on here.

No one brought up protein in this thread, however it is constantly a hot topic in this forum and others alike.
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Oh I got ya, you meant all the protein talk in general lol not specifically ITT. My bad ;)
 
And in response to your question my personal preference if or when I used to use protein I opted for blends. To be honest people usually sweat the small **** for minor differences instead of eating more and working out.

Data, so on and so forth, obsessing over the most minute details when lifting as a hobbyist is absurd. You know when my best gains came? My most strength? When I dropped the protein, stfu killed it in the gym and ate adequately. Protein supplements IMO are unnecessary, data shmata.

In 4 - but the data says...

Results are what I'm after period. I've never noticed a difference from using pro supps and not so, even if there is a statistical difference its insignificant to my body. My advice don't waste the cash. You guys analyze data I'll be EATING, yacking at every workout and taking my bulk products progressing every workout.

Roundtable this ish up!
 
Spaniard said:
And in response to your question my personal preference if or when I used to use protein I opted for blends. To be honest people usually sweat the small **** for minor differences instead of eating more and working out.

Data, so on and so forth, obsessing over the most minute details when lifting as a hobbyist is absurd. You know when my best gains came? My most strength? When I dropped the protein, stfu killed it in the gym and ate adequately. Protein supplements IMO are unnecessary, data shmata.

In 4 - but the data says...

Results are what I'm after period. I've never noticed a difference from using pro supps and not so, even if there is a statistical difference its insignificant to my body. My advice don't waste the cash. You guys analyze data I'll be EATING, yacking at every workout and taking my bulk products progressing every workout.

Roundtable this ish up!
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But the data says...

;)

I haven't used a protein supplement in ages; quite honestly I can't afford it but my progress continues to be the same because I get enough through my diet.
 
schizm said:
How about that denbrobium that seems to be all the rage these days?
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It's a farce. The two products with the omg effects were tested to have ETH. It is well documented and with multiple sources. The rest will likely do nothing to enhance your workout. Not a shred of evidence it contains a stimulant naturally.
 
rob112 said:
It's a farce. The two products with the omg effects were tested to have ETH. It is well documented and with multiple sources. The rest will likely do nothing to enhance your workout. Not a shred of evidence it contains a stimulant naturally.
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ETH amphetamines
 
smoker145 said:
Can one produce a study on dendrobium which supports it's claims?
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Are we gonna touch base on the "natural" source of DMAA which was proved by a Chinese reputable source? (IIRC)...I still have my doubts if DMAA really has a natural source, and we were just synthesizing it for ease of production...or if the FDA for once was right (and painfully so, I did like DMAA @ certain dosages).
 
schizm said:
How about that denbrobium that seems to be all the rage these days?
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Compare the effects of Primafore dendrobium + a typical stimulant containing preworkout and those of DS Craze.

It becomes obvious there is something abnormal about craze.

There's really nothing in dendrobium that looks attractive as a preworkout stimulant
 
Seems we are all in agreement on dendrobium.


What does everyone think about testofen?

I used a product with it and felt opposite effects(if anything) compared to other test boosters(all three bioforges, DAA solo, DAA stacks, T-Bol, etc).
 
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