Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2023 Edition)

sammpedd88 said:
My wife was recently diagnosed with low thyroid. We go to an integrative practice (you and I have PM’d about the location) so they told her to try a raw form of zinc three times a week. Her T3 was slightly out of range on the low end. I was thinking, something that could raise T3 a little and support the thyroid in general but I wasn’t aware you had a product in the past. I don’t blame you for being hesitate of doing one with 3,3 and 3,5 and they’re compliance. Maybe the raw zinc will help her. She just started the raw zinc and progesterone cream yesterday. She’s also going to start taking a low dose of compounded transdermal test.
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I'm definitely open to a thyroid boosting product in general. I can think of several ingredients that would be a good foundation base for it.

I hope that the regimen helps her.
 
sns8778 said:
Thank you for the kind and positive words.

I'm glad to hear that your order arrived so quickly, that's awesome.

Some people really seem to like Brewer's Yeast; its probably not one that we would do ourselves because its already offered by so many brands and is pretty cheap so I don't think we could really offer it at a better price than its already available at.

I'm curious what your thought is on Ribose, GABA, and Huperzine together?
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You're welcome Steve, My pleasure,

I took them during a stressful time. Gaba with hyperuzin. After some research in 2017, This alkaloid can cross the blood-brain barrier and I had assumed that coupled with Gaba which behaves almost the same way may have calming effects and also apparently play a role on the vagus nerve. Inhibitory effects of GABA serve to counteract the excitatory (activating) effects of glutamate. D-ribose can help muscle relaxation while preserving its construction. It promotes certain vital organs, It attacks bad cholesterol and contributes to good sleep.

I had made this stack with these three compounds. I had good positive effects after 15 days of taking it. I felt I was more open to dealing with work overload. I had also supplemented with melatonin at night. There have only been improvements.

But attention hyperuzine if it is not of quality can cause itching...


I had forgotten this stack and while arranging my drawers I came across an old empty box of HyperUzine vode and I remembered this efficiency.
 
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Oliver Kween said:
You're welcome Steve, My pleasure,

I took them during a stressful time. Gaba with hyperuzin. After some research in 2017, This alkaloid can cross the blood-brain barrier and I had assumed that coupled with Gaba which behaves almost the same way may have calming effects and also apparently play a role on the vagus nerve. Inhibitory effects of GABA serve to counteract the excitatory (activating) effects of glutamate. D-ribose can help muscle relaxation while preserving its construction. It promotes certain vital organs, It attacks bad cholesterol and contributes to good sleep.

I had made this stack with these three compounds. I had good positive effects after 15 days of taking it. I felt I was more open to dealing with work overload. I had also supplemented with melatonin at night. There have only been improvements.

But attention hyperuzine if it is not of quality can cause itching...


I had forgotten this stack and while arranging my drawers I came across an old empty box of HyperUzine vode and I remembered this efficiency.
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We offer GABA powder and Huperzine A 99% separately and I agree that they make a good stack.

It was the Ribose I was curious about so thanks for explaining.

We have a really cool mentally stimulating but emotionally relaxing product in the works that I'm excited about and it seems like it may give some of the effects that you're thinking of.
 
sns8778 said:
I'm definitely open to a thyroid boosting product in general. I can think of several ingredients that would be a good foundation base for it.

I hope that the regimen helps her.
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Thanks Steve. If you decide to release one I’ll definitely buy it for her.
 
sammpedd88 said:
Thanks Steve. If you decide to release one I’ll definitely buy it for her.
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Thanks. I had put together a tentative formula a little over a year ago for one. I'll dig it up and refresh on it and see what else I can add and see if I can make something happen.
 
Hey all, for endurance (both aerobic and anaerobic), do y’all recommend Peak02 or Epi-Plex? I’ve used tons of Peak02 and enjoy it, but I’ve never tried Epi-Plex so wondering if anyone who has tried both has a preference
 
aaronuconn said:
Hey all, for endurance (both aerobic and anaerobic), do y’all recommend Peak02 or Epi-Plex? I’ve used tons of Peak02 and enjoy it, but I’ve never tried Epi-Plex so wondering if anyone who has tried both has a preference
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Purely from an endurance perspective I'd give Peak02 the edge over Epiplex (though running both of them together is spectacular). Overall though I prefer Epiplex if I had to pick just one. Almost as good for endurance improvement, but also some body recomp benefits that Peak02 doesn't provide.
 
aaronuconn said:
Hey all, for endurance (both aerobic and anaerobic), do y’all recommend Peak02 or Epi-Plex? I’ve used tons of Peak02 and enjoy it, but I’ve never tried Epi-Plex so wondering if anyone who has tried both has a preference
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I am going to overly simplify this and with the caveat that this doesn't mean both don't help either situation quite well.

That said...

If you primarily lift and have body composition goals: Epi-Plex
If you do more cardio and like being "active" outside of the gym: PeakO2

I find both do have a decent overlap with benefits, but epi-plex helps more with pumps and body composition. Peako2 for me personally helps more with recovery, training volume, and cardio activities.
 
Resolve10 said:
I am going to overly simplify this and with the caveat that this doesn't mean both don't help either situation quite well.

That said...

If you primarily lift and have body composition goals: Epi-Plex
If you do more cardio and like being "active" outside of the gym: PeakO2

I find both do have a decent overlap with benefits, but epi-plex helps more with pumps and body composition. Peako2 for me personally helps more with recovery, training volume, and cardio activities.
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I’m slowly building up my running endurance. I resistance train 4-5x/wk, and this has been my primary focus for ~10 years. I always sprinkled cardio in for general wellness, but now I’m really just trying to maintain current lifts and volume while simultaneously increasing cardio endurance.

I went with Peak02 (once again).
 
Something I found interesting. We know Peak02 is a prop blend of 6 mushrooms, but I came across a product that has the exact mg of each listed. That alone was interesting, but also the fact some are fruiting body while some are mycelium was noteworthy. I assumed all the mushrooms were mycelium. No idea if this is accurate Invalid Link Removed
 
aaronuconn said:
Something I found interesting. We know Peak02 is a prop blend of 6 mushrooms, but I came across a product that has the exact mg of each listed. That alone was interesting, but also the fact some are fruiting body while some are mycelium was noteworthy. I assumed all the mushrooms were mycelium. No idea if this is accurate Invalid Link Removed
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Isn't fruiting body better then mycelium?
 
Stachio said:
Isn't fruiting body better then mycelium?
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I think that’s often the general consensus. It has been a while since I’ve reviewed the literature, but if I recall correctly, mycelium will typically have lower levels of beta glucans and triterpenoids.

But, with Peak02, we have I believe two or three clinical trials showing efficacy so that’s important to me. Increased peak power, vo2 max, time to exhaustion.
 
aaronuconn said:
Something I found interesting. We know Peak02 is a prop blend of 6 mushrooms, but I came across a product that has the exact mg of each listed. That alone was interesting, but also the fact some are fruiting body while some are mycelium was noteworthy. I assumed all the mushrooms were mycelium. No idea if this is accurate Invalid Link Removed
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I don’t believe this is accurate as no company can display the dosage of each if the Ingredient is a proprietary blend in itself.
 
aaronuconn said:
I think that’s often the general consensus. It has been a while since I’ve reviewed the literature, but if I recall correctly, mycelium will typically have lower levels of beta glucans and triterpenoids.

But, with Peak02, we have I believe two or three clinical trials showing efficacy so that’s important to me. Increased peak power, vo2 max, time to exhaustion.
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Great info.
 
aaronuconn said:
Hey all, for endurance (both aerobic and anaerobic), do y’all recommend Peak02 or Epi-Plex? I’ve used tons of Peak02 and enjoy it, but I’ve never tried Epi-Plex so wondering if anyone who has tried both has a preference
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If picking one or the other and endurance is the only factor, my suggestion is PEAK02 for cardiovascular endurance and Epi-Plex for muscular endurance.

jh1 said:
Purely from an endurance perspective I'd give Peak02 the edge over Epiplex (though running both of them together is spectacular). Overall though I prefer Epiplex if I had to pick just one. Almost as good for endurance improvement, but also some body recomp benefits that Peak02 doesn't provide.
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I agree. Great post and explanation.

Resolve10 said:
I am going to overly simplify this and with the caveat that this doesn't mean both don't help either situation quite well.

That said...

If you primarily lift and have body composition goals: Epi-Plex
If you do more cardio and like being "active" outside of the gym: PeakO2

I find both do have a decent overlap with benefits, but epi-plex helps more with pumps and body composition. Peako2 for me personally helps more with recovery, training volume, and cardio activities.
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Agreed. Great post and explanation.

aaronuconn said:
I’m slowly building up my running endurance. I resistance train 4-5x/wk, and this has been my primary focus for ~10 years. I always sprinkled cardio in for general wellness, but now I’m really just trying to maintain current lifts and volume while simultaneously increasing cardio endurance.

I went with Peak02 (once again).
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I think if you're trying to build up your cardiovascular endurance, then PEAK02 was the right choice if you were oinly looking to go with one or the other.

aaronuconn said:
Something I found interesting. We know Peak02 is a prop blend of 6 mushrooms, but I came across a product that has the exact mg of each listed. That alone was interesting, but also the fact some are fruiting body while some are mycelium was noteworthy. I assumed all the mushrooms were mycelium. No idea if this is accurate
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I removed the picture from my quote because I don't believe it to be exactly accurate.

Stachio said:
Isn't fruiting body better then mycelium?
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The more I've looked into mushrooms, the more I've found that so many companies, suppliers, and supposed experts are either full of crap or just repeating and rehashing what someone else has said.

I've talked to some companies that were supposedly 'experts' and couldn't even answer basic level questions when I didn't take their word for what they said as truth and asked them simple 'why' questions.

There are different quality mushrooms and to say that just because one says fruiting body is better than one that says mycelium, that would be grossly inaccurate. And also to believe that some brands are using the super specific types that they say would also be grossly inaccurate.

One of the reasons we hadn't done a multi-mushroom product already is because I haven't felt like dealing with all the misinformation and BS that is rampant in this supplement category.

aaronuconn said:
I think that’s often the general consensus. It has been a while since I’ve reviewed the literature, but if I recall correctly, mycelium will typically have lower levels of beta glucans and triterpenoids.

But, with Peak02, we have I believe two or three clinical trials showing efficacy so that’s important to me. Increased peak power, vo2 max, time to exhaustion.
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PEAK02 is clinically researched and its noteworthy that the most talked about study was done on actual athletes - which is great because if an ingredient can produce results in people that are already high level, then that should mean at least as good of results and probably better results on those that aren't.

Ziyo said:
I don’t believe this is accurate as no company can display the dosage of each if the Ingredient is a proprietary blend in itself.
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You are correct. I don't think its accurate and even if they did break down the exact ones and were accurate, it would be a violation of their NDA to use the ingredient to begin with.

N2ofusion said:
They might not be supposed to disclose it but accidents happen. That’s awfully specific
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That's not an accident - if it were true (and I don't think it is), that would be a violation of their licensing agreement because when you license an ingredient, you're told exactly how to list it on the label.
 
BigGame84 said:
Just straight up GBB, 50mg/cap. Been buying this from Unbound but would buy it from SNS instead.
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I've been thinking about doing a GBB ingredient and had been debating on whether to do a 50 mg. or 60 mg. per capsule dose.
 
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BigGame84 said:
I don't mind sweating so I like this. 50mg or 60mg would be good.
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I had mentioned this last year and I had label artwork and everything done but when I mentioned it, I didn't get much feedback on people seeming interested so wound up never doing it. It's easily doable and I'm glad to do it if there is enough interest.
 
sns8778 said:
I had mentioned this last year and I had label artwork and everything done but when I mentioned it, I didn't get much feedback on people seeming interested so wound up never doing it. It's easily doable and I'm glad to do it if there is enough interest.
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cool idea but it’s already in so many products that I personally wouldn’t also buy it solo.

I imagine the tepid responses might also be along that line of thinking
 
N2ofusion said:
cool idea but it’s already in so many products that I personally wouldn’t also buy it solo.

I imagine the tepid responses might also be along that line of thinking
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I agree, I think that is probably the thought process on it; I think I might do a small run on it and see how it goes.
 
I went ahead and created a thread for mushroom specific discussion for anyone that is interested:

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sns8778 said:
I had mentioned this last year and I had label artwork and everything done but when I mentioned it, I didn't get much feedback on people seeming interested so wound up never doing it. It's easily doable and I'm glad to do it if there is enough interest.
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I know this has been mentioned before but I'll bring it up again in 2023... Any chance for a PLCAR-500 comeback?
 
BigGame84 said:
I know this has been mentioned before but I'll bring it up again in 2023... Any chance for a PLCAR-500 comeback?
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PLCAR-500 did not sell well at all for us. The last batch we ever did, we lost more money off of than we ever made from the product because we had to give so many units away just to get rid of them before they expired.

Plus, its something that is very difficult to run a small run of because the raw materials are very sticky and will cause issues with manufacturing equipment. Many contract manufacturers won't run it at all and most wouldn't run a small batch of it because of the cleanup challenges it presents with the equipment; and if they were to, they would charge so much extra it wouldn't be worth it.

This is one that if I were to ever do again, I would have to have a guaranteed way to know that we would sell at least a certain amount of bottles in order to break even, and I don't know that there's any way to truly know that.
 
sns8778 said:
PLCAR-500 did not sell well at all for us. The last batch we ever did, we lost more money off of than we ever made from the product because we had to give so many units away just to get rid of them before they expired.

Plus, its something that is very difficult to run a small run of because the raw materials are very sticky and will cause issues with manufacturing equipment. Many contract manufacturers won't run it at all and most wouldn't run a small batch of it because of the cleanup challenges it presents with the equipment; and if they were to, they would charge so much extra it wouldn't be worth it.

This is one that if I were to ever do again, I would have to have a guaranteed way to know that we would sell at least a certain amount of bottles in order to break even, and I don't know that there's any way to truly know that.
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Would you ever put it in a formula?
 
I’m a fan of PLCAR! My first experience was in 2017 combining it with Glycomyx(purple sweet potatoes powder+glucomannan). It produced better vascularity and muscular endurance for me. But as you’ve stated, it didn’t pan out business wise. Speaking of, if it hasn’t been mentioned, what about a carb powder? Sometimes I just want to slam a protein shake with carb powder over eating a meal. Especially early a.m. or before cardio.
 
Resolve10 said:
Would you ever put it in a formula?
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Not in a powdered one because the stickiness and clumping is a whole different level than most things.

A lot of contract manufacturers will not even run this ingredient now days for anything less than several thousand units because it sticks to the equipment and it is a nightmare to run, get consistent fill weights, and then clean the equipment.

A lot of brands in the past that claimed to be offering this at moderate to high dosages likely weren't - they may have known that, or they may have believed they were and had their cm's fibbing to them about it bc they didn't want to run it.

I'm sure I could find a place to run it, but I would never ask our primary cm's to bc I wouldn't want them upset with me or slow down other things; but its one of only several products that we've really lost money on big time.

I always say that sometimes there's a big difference between what people talk about buying and using and what people really buy and use - and the PLCAR-500 label literally pops up in my mind every time I say or write that haha.

I did at one time think about doing a multi-carnitine that was like 250 mg. PLCAR, 250 mg. ALCAR, and 250 mg. LCLT. That I may consider if enough people were interested in it.

I truly wish there was a way to gauge how well something would sell before it came out, because if I knew that x amount of people would definitely 100% for sure buy PLCAR, especially 6 packs or 12 packs, I would be willing to give PLCAR-500 a chance again, but I'm not sure any good way of gauging that.
 
Airmaniac said:
I’m a fan of PLCAR! My first experience was in 2017 combining it with Glycomyx(purple sweet potatoes powder+glucomannan). It produced better vascularity and muscular endurance for me. But as you’ve stated, it didn’t pan out business wise. Speaking of, if it hasn’t been mentioned, what about a carb powder? Sometimes I just want to slam a protein shake with carb powder over eating a meal. Especially early a.m. or before cardio.
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I think PLCAR definitely has some benefits to it, but I honestly didn't get much in terms of vascularity and endurance. Maybe for its time period, but I think we have overall better things for those purposes now.

I'm thinking on PLCAR - to me able to attempt it now, I would have to find a way to gauge who would really buy it and how many - as in to make sure we could sell enough to at least break even and not lose money. If anyone has ideas on how to accurately do that, I'd love to hear them.

^^^ to further explain that, a lot of people think of SNS as a company as just me, and while I do call the shots on most things, my CPA would probably drive over to the warehouse and kick me in the nuts if I brought it back without knowing x amount were or would sell haha :ROFLMAO:😂
 
Airmaniac said:
Speaking of, if it hasn’t been mentioned, what about a carb powder? Sometimes I just want to slam a protein shake with carb powder over eating a meal. Especially early a.m. or before cardio.
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I wanted to reply to your carb powder thought separately.

I've mentioned this and am a huge fan of the idea and have asked in the past if anyone would be interested and didn't get a lot of response.

I personally would love to do a Clusterdextrin/HBCD powder but also wondered if a Clusterdextrin/Carb10 powder may would sell better.

You've got me thinking about doing a thread on this to see if anyone would be interested and what they'd rather see.
 
sns8778 said:
Not in a powdered one because the stickiness and clumping is a whole different level than most things.

A lot of contract manufacturers will not even run this ingredient now days for anything less than several thousand units because it sticks to the equipment and it is a nightmare to run, get consistent fill weights, and then clean the equipment.

A lot of brands in the past that claimed to be offering this at moderate to high dosages likely weren't - they may have known that, or they may have believed they were and had their cm's fibbing to them about it bc they didn't want to run it.

I'm sure I could find a place to run it, but I would never ask our primary cm's to bc I wouldn't want them upset with me or slow down other things; but its one of only several products that we've really lost money on big time.

I always say that sometimes there's a big difference between what people talk about buying and using and what people really buy and use - and the PLCAR-500 label literally pops up in my mind every time I say or write that haha.

I did at one time think about doing a multi-carnitine that was like 250 mg. PLCAR, 250 mg. ALCAR, and 250 mg. LCLT. That I may consider if enough people were interested in it.

I truly wish there was a way to gauge how well something would sell before it came out, because if I knew that x amount of people would definitely 100% for sure buy PLCAR, especially 6 packs or 12 packs, I would be willing to give PLCAR-500 a chance again, but I'm not sure any good way of gauging that.
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Love the idea of a solo “Tri-Carnitine” supplement
 
sns8778 said:
I think PLCAR definitely has some benefits to it, but I honestly didn't get much in terms of vascularity and endurance. Maybe for its time period, but I think we have overall better things for those purposes now.

I'm thinking on PLCAR - to me able to attempt it now, I would have to find a way to gauge who would really buy it and how many - as in to make sure we could sell enough to at least break even and not lose money. If anyone has ideas on how to accurately do that, I'd love to hear them.

^^^ to further explain that, a lot of people think of SNS as a company as just me, and while I do call the shots on most things, my CPA would probably drive over to the warehouse and kick me in the nuts if I brought it back without knowing x amount were or would sell haha :ROFLMAO:
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Lol you could do a kickstarter type thing where people pay in advance for you to do a small batch run
 
Has someone already brought up a subscribe & save option for the site? Basically like Amazon where I could have my list of products delivered the 1st (or whenever) of every month for a small percentage discount.

Subscribe and save on 3 products? 10% discount.

Subscribe and save on 5 products? 15% discount.

Subscribe and save on 10 products? 25% discount.

Now, I recognize your multi-pack options potentially negate the benefit of this program, but just throwing it out there :)
 
PeptiStrong study: Improved strength recovery, reduced fatigue, and reduced myostatin. Furthermore, “a concomitant increase in other acute markers regulating muscle protein synthesis, regeneration and myoblast differentiation was also observed.”

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aaronuconn said:
PeptiStrong study: Improved strength recovery, reduced fatigue, and reduced myostatin. Furthermore, “a concomitant increase in other acute markers regulating muscle protein synthesis, regeneration and myoblast differentiation was also observed.”

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Maybe a nice stack with Epi-Plex!
 
For a capsule nootropic, I still think a combo of Sibelius Sage, Neumentix Spearmint, and AuroraBlue Blueberry would be a fantastic non-stim nootropic capsule product. Also would categorize it as anti-aging as well
 
aaronuconn said:
Lol you could do a kickstarter type thing where people pay in advance for you to do a small batch run
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That's a good idea. I had thought about something like that but I really don't know anything about stuff like that. It would be great if something like that could work though.

aaronuconn said:
Has someone already brought up a subscribe & save option for the site? Basically like Amazon where I could have my list of products delivered the 1st (or whenever) of every month for a small percentage discount.

Subscribe and save on 3 products? 10% discount.

Subscribe and save on 5 products? 15% discount.

Subscribe and save on 10 products? 25% discount.

Now, I recognize your multi-pack options potentially negate the benefit of this program, but just throwing it out there :)
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I thought about a subscription option and its something we may implement at some point.

We're working on doing some website updates and something I really want to do is to make a lot more options for discounted 3 packs, 6 packs, and 12 packs and have them as discount options on the product pages rather than separate listings. The drawback is that for SEO purposes, I'm told its better to have them as separate listings.
 
aaronuconn said:
PeptiStrong study: Improved strength recovery, reduced fatigue, and reduced myostatin. Furthermore, “a concomitant increase in other acute markers regulating muscle protein synthesis, regeneration and myoblast differentiation was also observed.”

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aaronuconn said:
Maybe a nice stack with Epi-Plex!
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:whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle:;)😂😛
 
Steve @sns8778, was recently reading some studies on New Zealand blackcurrant having a potent fat oxidizing effect in combo with walking and or LISS. Have you ever looked into this ingredient? Im not making claims either way, just saw some impressive numbers there. Can send or link the study if you'd like.
 
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Steve @sns8778, was recently reading some studies on New Zealand blackcurrant having a potent fat oxidizing effect in combo with walking and or LISS. Have you ever looked into this ingredient? Im not making claims either way, just saw some impressive numbers there. Can send or link the study if you'd like.
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You're welcome to send me the studies.

I like Black Currant in general and we actually use it in our Immune Support XT product.
 
sns8778 said:
You're welcome to send me the studies.

I like Black Currant in general and we actually use it in our Immune Support XT product.
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these are the two I read recently, thanks for the feedback.

FWIW SNS is my favorite supp company, and I recommend to everyone. 90% of my daily supps / staples are from you guys lol. That said, it is also why I trust your interpretation of these data sets when discussing the effectiveness of products t/ ingredients.
 
Darkhorse192 said:
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these are the two I read recently, thanks for the feedback.

FWIW SNS is my favorite supp company, and I recommend to everyone. 90% of my daily supps / staples are from you guys lol. That said, it is also why I trust your interpretation of these data sets when discussing the effectiveness of products t/ ingredients.
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Thank you. I really appreciate that. Word of mouth and recommendations mean a lot.

I think that the studies look good and have potential. I knew of studies on it for that, and the top study there is basically saying that they managed to replicate those in women. I don't think that the results would be on the level of TTA for example, meaning that I don't think it would be a good candidate for being a stand alone product but would be a good addition to a formula.

Also, I don't think its critical for it to be a specific New Zealand Black Currant. The difference in theory would be that NZ Black Currant supposedly has a higher anthocyanin content, but even if that's true, let's say that regular has 75% as much as the NZ one but the NZ one costs triple what the regular does, one could just use double the dose of regular and still come out with a better net yield at a better price.

I hope that that makes sense.

I actually was considering using this in an upcoming idea but hadn't decided on it for sure yet.
 
Darkhorse192 said:
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these are the two I read recently, thanks for the feedback.

FWIW SNS is my favorite supp company, and I recommend to everyone. 90% of my daily supps / staples are from you guys lol. That said, it is also why I trust your interpretation of these data sets when discussing the effectiveness of products t/ ingredients.
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This seems to suggest that it wouldn’t do much in the absence of exercise. Looks like it helps release fatty acids from fat stores. They measured higher NEFA and glycerol pre exercise. The increased fat oxidation during might just be from the higher blood levels rather than directly from the extract.

Just based on this little bit of info, this would be a weird product to use. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to take before cardio as you can get a little more fat oxidation, but carbohydrate usage went down, so the net effect is probably not huge. But if you took some and did not exercise, you’d be stuck with higher levels of fatty acids in the blood which can decrease insulin sensitivity.
 
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