TD Trest + TD Laxogenin Feedback

DevilDog2136 said:
Any news on eta of either of these products?
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We got a new capsule machine that we're trying to get up and running, it can produce 5x more output than the current one we're using but after this is resolved and we're caught up with capping some of the orals we will start taking a look at all the TD's.
 
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I'll be curious to see people's results with this...

I have a near 20 year history with the compound, going back to the "Mesobolin" product produced by Amino Discounters, circa the mid-90's. Various outfits have since produced quality/crap "laxogenin" over the years, the last known quality version being "Anabolica" pictured above (Maxwell Research). ZOE Discoveries (NOT Enterprises/Labs) produced a quality laxogenin too (also pictured).

Most of these clowns just cut and paste ad copy as you see below..

"Discovered in 1996, L-laxogenin, Body Pro-Strength and Muscle, was proven to possess an anabolic/androgenic ratio reminiscent of perhaps the most efficient anabolic substances, in particular Anavar. The amazing thing is that laxogenin is without side-effects of liver toxicity and users do not test positive for steroidal substances. This product is a plant sterol and primarily helps plants survive drastic or harsh conditions..."

Discovered in 1996 huh?

Too bad then, the original Laxogenin offered in the U.S. was manufactured and sold by Amino Discounters, the proprietor being none other than Mark Thierman. He sold it under the name "Mesobolin", advertising in MuscleMag International (and other newstand mags) at the time. It was a simple, yet eye catching red/black ad, featuring the name Mesobolin and accompanying Laxogenin chemical graphic.

And oh yes, one last thing. He trademarked and began selling it, in 1991....

Description Text: NOTICE OF PUBLICATION
Event Date: 1991-06-07

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Thierman himself has stated that he stumbled across reference to Laxogenin in translated Russian texts, which means it sure as hell wasn't "discovered" in 1996. In fact, I have V.N. Syrov's papers from 1976, discussing compounds I-IV (one of which is laxogenin, derived from diosgenin)
 
Mixelflick said:
View attachment 102226I'll be curious to see people's results with this...

I have a near 20 year history with the compound, going back to the "Mesobolin" product produced by Amino Discounters, circa the mid-90's. Various outfits have since produced quality/crap "laxogenin" over the years, the last known quality version being "Anabolica" pictured above (Maxwell Research). ZOE Discoveries (NOT Enterprises/Labs) produced a quality laxogenin too (also pictured).

Most of these clowns just cut and paste ad copy as you see below..

"Discovered in 1996, L-laxogenin, Body Pro-Strength and Muscle, was proven to possess an anabolic/androgenic ratio reminiscent of perhaps the most efficient anabolic substances, in particular Anavar. The amazing thing is that laxogenin is without side-effects of liver toxicity and users do not test positive for steroidal substances. This product is a plant sterol and primarily helps plants survive drastic or harsh conditions..."

Discovered in 1996 huh?

Too bad then, the original Laxogenin offered in the U.S. was manufactured and sold by Amino Discounters, the proprietor being none other than Mark Thierman. He sold it under the name "Mesobolin", advertising in MuscleMag International (and other newstand mags) at the time. It was a simple, yet eye catching red/black ad, featuring the name Mesobolin and accompanying Laxogenin chemical graphic.

And oh yes, one last thing. He trademarked and began selling it, in 1991....

Description Text: NOTICE OF PUBLICATION
Event Date: 1991-06-07

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Thierman himself has stated that he stumbled across reference to Laxogenin in translated Russian texts, which means it sure as hell wasn't "discovered" in 1996. In fact, I have V.N. Syrov's papers from 1976, discussing compounds I-IV (one of which is laxogenin, derived from diosgenin)
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From what I know Laxogenin is extremely difficult to make and source but my source is getting better at producing it and aiming from the usual 90% purity to 98% purity. We'll see when this happens.
 
It isn't sourced per se. While it can be extracted from Smilax Sieboldi (and our old friend Tribulus), it's hella expensive to do so.

Which is why it's usually synthesized from Diosgenin...

And while I'm not marketing it, any company comparing its effects to Anavar is either 1.) ignorant of what it is/how it really works or 2.) flat out lying. I haven't looked at your ad copy yet so please don't take this as a shot at your company. Plenty of companies do though, parroting this ridiculous statement because its been used in the past.
 
Mixelflick said:
It isn't sourced per se. While it can be extracted from Smilax Sieboldi (and our old friend Tribulus), it's hella expensive to do so.

Which is why it's usually synthesized from Diosgenin...
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I understand that, I was speaking in the context of US companies trying to 'source' it from China. It's hard to supply a consistent supply of laxogenin even for us and we are often sold out waiting for the next batch to complete preparation on their side. I have had a conversation with my source on how difficult and timely the extraction process can be but it is being mastered slowly but surely. My lab would have never had interest in producing a purer version if it weren't for me hounding them consistently not on just this product but a lot of other products as well.
 
The funny thing is China and other places has it in stock and ready to go at all times. Half a dozen right here...
 
Mixelflick said:
It isn't sourced per se. While it can be extracted from Smilax Sieboldi (and our old friend Tribulus), it's hella expensive to do so.

Which is why it's usually synthesized from Diosgenin...

And while I'm not marketing it, any company comparing its effects to Anavar is either 1.) ignorant of what it is/how it really works or 2.) flat out lying. I haven't looked at your ad copy yet so please don't take this as a shot at your company. Plenty of companies do though, parroting this ridiculous statement because its been used in the past.
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Our aim with this product and any other clone is to provide a pure and cost effective clone. QC means a lot to me and I have set up my own lab and system to get samples tested at a cost effective rate. Doing it in America was just ripping me off and delaying time, so I used my unique skills and advantages and thought ahead and have implemented a great system.

Pure laxogenin on the market according to us is carried by both Olympus and another company. Does it work, not for everyone. That's why we're trying to bring out a TD version, but beyond the point is we know our laxogenin is pure, so when i hear and have heard from one user through pm that they started using a competitors laxogenin and felt prohormone like gains in the first week of using it just makes you think its tainted.
 
Mixelflick said:
The funny thing is China and other places has it in stock and ready to go at all times. Half a dozen right here...

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Alibaba is quite possibly the worst place to purchase in the history of the world. I'm also pretty sure you can't post that link here as they're not a sponsor. I can't be certain of your motives but all your posts that just led up to that link seem very suspect. Please respect our company and the forum. Thank you
 
Excitement/placebo effect also needs to be taken into consideration during a new product launch, but I know what you're saying...
 
Mixelflick said:
The funny thing is China and other places has it in stock and ready to go at all times. Half a dozen right here...

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I guess this is where the discussion ends. Go ahead and source through here. You actually think the factories that are actually producing are listing through alibaba? It's called middle men and you never know if you're getting screwed over as well with these people. Your expertise in a product can only get you so far but it requires a much deeper understanding than just that to be able to understand what is laxogenin to actually producing a pure version.
 
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Here is laxogenin too.
They also sell Brassinosteroid such as 28-homobrassinolide
 
Mixel:
Why is this story about laxogenin everywhere without good studies behind:


Laxogenin/5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin was shown to possess an anabolic/androgenic ratio similar to one of the most efficient anabolic substances, in particular Anavar but without the side effects of liver toxicity or testing positive for steroidal therapy. Athletes have found dramatic strength increases in 3-5 days, and muscle mass increases in 3-4 weeks

Where is that study done on athletes??
 
I've never seen these substantiated in athletes...

Syrov's studies are impressive, but done on rats/other furry creatures. I have all of his papers and my/others notes from their practical use with the compound. For the record, I find it a fantastic tool (especially for recovery)
 
Orally, people have reported great things in terms of recovery (check feedback thread) some people have reported great things in terms of strength, leaning out, etc.

This product is not designed to hit you like a ph, so if you're experiencing ph like gains then I'd suggest you grab proper preventive protocol since your laxogenin is most likely tainted.

This product will have cumulative effects and can be used all year round.
 
Never expect PH gains of any supplements.
I have run real Turkesterone and even my bloodwork showed it was real deal and it worked.

i am one who dont just run a supplement 1 month. When i run a new product i run it 3-4 months because most of supps are kicking in after 3 weeks or more (no stims offcourse)..

One enoying thing is the misleading info about laxogenin..
 
Olympus Labs said:
Orally, people have reported great things in terms of recovery (check feedback thread) some people have reported great things in terms of strength, leaning out, etc.

This product is not designed to hit you like a ph, so if you're experiencing ph like gains then I'd suggest you grab proper preventive protocol since your laxogenin is most likely tainted.

This product will have cumulative effects and can be used all year round.
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How much longer for TD TR3ST?:frustrate
 
All ingredients for carrier are on hand, will begin working on the TD's later this week simultaneously waiting on labels to get in. Set to launch by June 20th. With the abundance of td's being worked on it's hard to prioritize what to release first lol.
 
Wait I am a people and I want a bunch of TD Lax!!!! My nipples are afraid of TR3ST right now. I am just too gyno sensitive.
 
Label company takes longer to send a proof than it actually takes to design a label or get raws shipped from overseas. :lame:
 
Olympus Labs said:
Label company takes longer to send a proof than it actually takes to design a label or get raws shipped from overseas. :lame:
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That is what happens when we let men do the work of immortals... Your art is just to godly for their human hands to replicate.
 
Interested in the trest and the laxo. Looking forward to these. I have used all forms of trest available except TD. I am usually very estro sensitive and trest did not make things worse than they already are. Nice to see these coming out thank you.
 
BCseacow83 said:
Interested in the trest and the laxo. Looking forward to these. I have used all forms of trest available except TD. I am usually very estro sensitive and trest did not make things worse than they already are. Nice to see these coming out thank you.
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What did you think of Trestolone brotha man?
 
I liked it alot. I did not get the libido boost that some speak of but it did not decrease either. I made noticeable changes to my physique but nothing crazy. I lost BF but did hold water so if you are getting ready for a show or some event like vacation I would drop it about a week or two prior and pick up with something dry like EPI to finish off your cycle. I have read about guys going into the 100mg/day oil route and that seems like an excessive dose but some people like to push things. At 100-150mg a day I would definitely have a strong AI on hand and a serm but that just me. I was using 25 mg/day of the oil version and had previously taken 40mg/day of the oral. The oil was a pain due to being ED or EOD admin. Is it a true replacement for test? IMO no I still feel best on real scripted HG test but trest was still a great compound. I am also very estro sensitive and used 2-3 pumps formestane by BPS and had no issues. I like the compound and since I am no longer gettting scripted TRT I prefer to stay on the right side of the law so will be working with trest more. Combined with a DHT compound like stano or mesterolone oxime would be a nice OTC trt like protocol. Looking forward to the transdermal as I would prefer to run this due to convenience and I like transdermals. Looking forward to this guys.
 
Make a mestabol clone! pure DHT to chisel up
 
all td's will go in to production starting this week while we wait on labels. Finally caught up.
 
Not sure if I missed this but is there testing done to assure the purity of your trest? I am not trying to stir up trouble just wondering as I know the other company that makes this had a batch or two that tested bad that they did not sell. I am thinking of trying your oral or TD and would like to have piece of mind prior to pulling the trigger and purchasing. Thank you!
 
BCseacow83 said:
Not sure if I missed this but is there testing done to assure the purity of your trest? I am not trying to stir up trouble just wondering as I know the other company that makes this had a batch or two that tested bad that they did not sell. I am thinking of trying your oral or TD and would like to have piece of mind prior to pulling the trigger and purchasing. Thank you!
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All batches are tested, so no need to worry.

We have a reputation to keep up;)

Can't get more pure than this.
 
Yep I echo what Edje said!
 
When will your UK retailer JW supplements get your transdermals? Really looking forward to them especially Trest TD!
 
mcgeier said:
When will your UK retailer JW supplements get your transdermals? Really looking forward to them especially Trest TD!
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Nutriverse is going to presale them later today for a week, and then after a week they will ship to JW in the UK. He doesn't do presales but he does do intro sales.
 
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logging opps for DermaStr3ngth?

shotgun!!!!!
 
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