What do you mean about the ATD? While on your T3 cycle? Sure, it's a great test booster and gyno fighter in my experience. When estrogen is lowered, you don't deposit as much fat. Also, when test is increased, you burn more fat, so I think it's worth it if that's what you're asking.
Oh yeah, big time. Not sure about the low dose, but at higher doses, you can eat whatever you want! It's great.
Not only that, you can really live a loose, sloppy lifestyle if you want. You can eat too much junk food, drink alcohol, take drugs, not sleep, etc and you still remain relatively healthy. Cholesterol stays low and you detox and heal very rapidly. I'm not suggesting you apply it in an abusive way, but it has a serious metabolic advantage if you use it all the time. I stay on T4 year round now.
Thanks CRUNCH! Lookin' great in the Av BTW.
It's still suppressive though, correct?
Yes, but less so that T3 or Tri. At 200mcg or less for 6 months or less, suppression is not that hard to reverse usually.
as you know. What I am wondering is will high dosages of T4 cause the same fatigue that high doses of T3 causes? I have tried adding in some T3 to my T4 but the fatigue is pretty significant. Thanks as always in advance.
It depends on the person and the diet I suspect. If doses are too high or cals are too low or you can't get enough oxygen in to meet demand it may cause fatigue. Then you just have to back off the dose a little. The sides are a lot smoother compared to T3 in general though. I've seen some big guys use up to 400mics/d no prob. I can't take over 275.Dr.D I have personal experience with T4 at 150mcgs per day for extended periods of time
Mr.50
What's up APZ! If you wanna do T4 all year, it would be best to start with a doc so you always have a source and can do the bloodwork upfront. After a year of high doses, it may or may not take some endo tricks to turn back on. I made that commitment years ago and wouldn't change a thing. Just keep in mind you'll want to use it the rest of your life after that so you'll need a sure supply. You can play with it about 6 months first before it becomes a prob. By then we could figure it out ourselves if you wanna keep it going. I only get blood on it every year or two now. How much do you weigh again?
Cool, just let me know bro. We'll get you on a good plan if you wanna start.
Sorry to resurrect an old thread,but DR.D check your pm's when you get a chance i sent you some questions,i wanted your opinion on.Thanks DR.DCool, just let me know bro. We'll get you on a good plan if you wanna start.
That is correct. You detox at light speed. It may be necessary to up the dose on some drugs because of faster metabolism and hepatic clearance.
After a few days, you may notice some cardiac acceleration or chest pains with the EC combo. The A may promote easy bruising with it too, so just be aware. If you stick to the plan and ramp it up slowly, it probably won't be problematic.
My temp also never goes above 98.0 degrees even when supplementing about 62.5 mcgs T3,this is due to the fact that we started out at a lower BBT,at least i think so.:run:OK guys, I have a question and I am sure you guys are going to be like "are you kiddng me" but here goes.......
I have been on thyroid replacement for a long time (150 mcgs of T4 per day Synthroid). But stil my body temp was in the low 97's (like 97.4) and I have had tons of trouble losing fat even when using a tuned in diet and workout program. Its like I hit a wall and from that point on no fat loss will occur (especially below the umbilicus to top of pubic area).
So in addition to the 150mcgs of T4 I have slowly been adding in T3 to try to bring my functional thyroid level up. I have been monitoring my body tem and now it averages around 98.1. It never reaches 98.6. So first of all I am wondering how much the difference between a body temp of 98.1 and 98.6 is limiting my fat burning ability? Second, should I continue to add in any additional T3 (say another 25 mcgs) till my body temp reaches 98.6? (this sounds crazy because I am taking 150mcgs of T4 and 50mcgs of T3 per day, sounds like a ton to me but the temp ........)
The T4 is prescriptino so no question about the quality there. The T3 is from a board sponsor so it should be good.
Also do not worry about the catabolic issue, as I have that covered.
Thanks in advance.
Mr.50
Are your electrolytes balanced (taking extra Mg and K)? It may be some cross-over. How long ago did you notice this?
After a wk @ 12.5, you can up to 25. Your on/off cycle plans are too short. The thyroid is a very sluggish gland. It takes longer to respond to changes. It's best taken for at least 4-6 wks at a time in a slow, pyramid ramp fashion. Of course, the 2day on/2day off may work with a low dose like 25, but I doubt you'll get too much weight loss that way.
Yes, basically. Step up to 25 now, but do 12.5 the last wk to ramp down. You can go higher that 25, but that will increase the length of the ramp down by another wk or two probably, which is OK also (ramping off after the 5'th wk).
I would judge based on pusle rate rather than temp. Take the highest dose you can while still feeling comfortable. At the end of 5 wks, just cut 12.5mcg/wk untill it's finished.last question
the higher dosage I use the longer my ramping down will take
should I check my temp everyday and if it's not aroud 37-37,2 C
I have to take more then 25 mcg or it's not nessesery - and I have to take my 25 mcg for next 2 weeks then ramp it down
for two weeks .
thanks Dr.D .
Have a nice day
Oh cool! It sounds like a sweet set-up you have then. I wish I could eat specific and train all day for a job! It sounds like your protein intake is good and I'm sure you have it spaced out right, I doubt catabolism is a prob fore you, even over 25. Now, over 50 maybe.but I'm ony base on diet , ATD + tt , creatine and ECA - no SAA - it's not to much catabolic to take more then 25 mcg , I have solid muscle
and even I'm on Ulitame Diet I don't lost much muscle
Protein intake aroud 3g/kg . I'm owner of fitness club , the only work for me all day is to train and keep my diet.
Not necessarily. Like I said though, I'm usually on so many supps with thermogenic potential that I find pulse rate a more accurate gauge. Also, if you are not taking it first thing in the AM (or on a totally empty stomach at least) you may not be getting full absorption.
I like 1000mg potassium gluconate TID, minimum.
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