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supp to aid in hardness-vascularity

furzafreak

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hello guys.im in the middle of a mild ph cycle(furuza-11keto) i have 1 month left.i was thinkin of puttin something alongside with the phs in order to aid in vascularity harness(im already low bf).what do you suggest?
 
furzafreak said:
hello guys.im in the middle of a mild ph cycle(furuza-11keto) i have 1 month left.i was thinkin of puttin something alongside with the phs in order to aid in vascularity harness(im already low bf).what do you suggest?
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I would check out the old school hormones section. Lots of great options.
 
Sarms s4 is an option. But you honestly should not need much with 2 dry ph's.
 
keepingtheblade said:
Sarms s4 is an option. But you honestly should not need much with 2 dry ph's.
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SARMS effect your test level. So don't use them during PCT or post cycle. How low is your BF? I'm not vascular at all but once I get at 10% and below a lot of my veins start to come.
 
Only 4 weeks, ship dat Tren in fast!
 
Colbert said:
So if you have a flat stomach you should notice your veins coming out more but it'll take some time sometimes. I can see my abs at 15% so make sure not to base your BF % off of your abs visibility.
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im 11% mate but i agree,u shouldnt base bf of abs visibility..
 
Good options so far if you're looking for a hormonal route.

Xgels is a natty supplement which has feedback that it increases muscle fullness.
Anabeta is the same
 
Anti-estrogens like Erase Pro are commonly taken for hardness. Anything that hardens/dries you out will also increase the visibility of veins. If you want to make them come through even more, I would add 1g agmatine per day
 
I get pretty vascular when i take potassium nitrate and agmatine
 
I told you Tren OP haha
 
And get it in the patch form. It'll soak right in.
 
Colbert said:
SARMS effect your test level. So don't use them during PCT or post cycle. How low is your BF? I'm not vascular at all but once I get at 10% and below a lot of my veins start to come.
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He is looking for something "to run alongside ph's". Not in pct.
 
nattydisaster said:
Anti-estrogens like Erase Pro are commonly taken for hardness. Anything that hardens/dries you out will also increase the visibility of veins. If you want to make them come through even more, I would add 1g agmatine per day
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i was thinkin of using erase pro but the cortizol from erase pro +high dose 11 keto will be zero lol and thats not a good thing..maybe i could use agmatine..but i guess it helps vascularity only during training,not the whole day..
 
X-Factor is very well known for increasing muscle hardness.
 
You shouldn't need anything on cycle to make you feel like superman. I would get some GDAs like glycophase and maybe something like Erase for PCT
 
I guess I am confused now..

I thought you wanted something to run with your PH?
 
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Glycogen
Sodium
Blood pressure
Body fat
temperature
All factors in vascularity
 
Look into formeron or a transdermal formestane product
Definitely helps out here. I use formeron and its been great at hardening/drying/vascularity.
 
rosemont83 said:
Look into formeron or a transdermal formestane product
Definitely helps out here. I use formeron and its been great at hardening/drying/vascularity.
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i thought about formeron.the thing is that i have almost 4 weeks left for pct to start,if i order formeron now,it will come to my house in 2 weeks.ill have 2 weeks till pct,and for pct i have nolva on hand so i dont wanna use formeron with nolva...
 
furzafreak said:
i thought about formeron.the thing is that i have almost 4 weeks left for pct to start,if i order formeron now,it will come to my house in 2 weeks.ill have 2 weeks till pct,and for pct i have nolva on hand so i dont wanna use formeron with nolva...
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People (including my self) regularly overlap a SERM and an AI. As I am tapering off the SERM ill usually add in an AI at the start of week three.
 
furzafreak said:
i thought about formeron.the thing is that i have almost 4 weeks left for pct to start,if i order formeron now,it will come to my house in 2 weeks.ill have 2 weeks till pct,and for pct i have nolva on hand so i dont wanna use formeron with nolva...
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Why wouldn't you want to use formeron with nolva?Run the formeron with nolva and then past the nolva so you don't get rebound gyno..
 
rosemont83 said:
Why wouldn't you want to use formeron with nolva?Run the formeron with nolva and then past the nolva so you don't get rebound gyno..
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You dont want to crush Estrogen too bad when you are trying to recover, Week 1 and 2 is when youre dosing your SERM the highest then its good to add in an AI later. And don’t let that other guy trick you into thinking that a topical Formestane is the only needed product for PCT.
 
rosemont83 said:
Why wouldn't you want to use formeron with nolva?Run the formeron with nolva and then past the nolva so you don't get rebound gyno..
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my cycle looks like this right now 11 keto 700/700/700/700

furuza 300/300/300/300

formeron ?

how do u think i should proceed?
 
Dietary changes are what you need. Certainly and AI like TransForm could help but you aren't running anything that converts to estrogen so I can not imagine that you have much if any estro running around right now. Non-aromatizing designers do not convert to estro, they also shut down natty test levels, with no test and nothing to aromatize you probably have pretty low estro anyway. So really I would just clean up the diet and try to get leaner if that is the look you want.

Other than that, check out our Laxogenin product STR3NGTH, we also have a Transdermal version on presale at Nutriverse. Other options X-gels, GDA's and glutamine. Yes Glutamine, you want to increase the density / hardness of the muscle try supplementing L-Glutamine. Always hardens my muscles up.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Dietary changes are what you need. Certainly and AI like TransForm could help but you aren't running anything that converts to estrogen so I can not imagine that you have much if any estro running around right now. Non-aromatizing designers do not convert to estro, they also shut down natty test levels, with no test and nothing to aromatize you probably have pretty low estro anyway. So really I would just clean up the diet and try to get leaner if that is the look you want.

Other than that, check out our Laxogenin product STR3NGTH, we also have a Transdermal version on presale at Nutriverse. Other options X-gels, GDA's and glutamine. Yes Glutamine, you want to increase the density / hardness of the muscle try supplementing L-Glutamine. Always hardens my muscles up.
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allright mate thanks youre right.i forget about formeron right now.my diet is really clean ,nothing else i can clean to be honest lol.i was thinkin of usin laxogenin but in pct.
can u tell me some things about gdas if u may?and one other question..my whole cycle was like this 11 keto 600/600/700/700/700/700/700/700
furuza 0/0/0/0/300/300/300/300
as you see i put furuza kinda late in my stack...if i extended the cycle more than 8 weeks without 11 keto,only furuza to feel it more would that be a good idea..?
something like this
11 keto 600/600/700/700/700/700/700/700/0/0
furuza 0/0/0/0/300/300/300/300/300/300
 
McCrew530 said:
You dont want to crush Estrogen too bad when you are trying to recover, Week 1 and 2 is when youre dosing your SERM the highest then its good to add in an AI later. And don’t let that other guy trick you into thinking that a topical Formestane is the only needed product for PCT.
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Yeah, you think 1 to 2 pumps is good for PCT and 2 weeks post PCT yea? Don't think it would crush estrogen too bad at that dose..

4 pumps thoooo... Lol
 
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