Superdrol is BACK - What does the new formula look like? BRAND NEW PROHORMONE

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so is this 1 tab a day or 2 ?? i may buy and log it 15 pounds with no liver toxicity sounds great. but i have my doubts
2/day is what I would aim for. 1/day will give results, but not the 10-15lbs we're discussing.


I know I'm a broken record here, but remember that 1-andro ALONE at 200mg/day is giving users 10lbs+ in a month. This is undoubtedly stronger than that.
 

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haha funny **** nobody really knows wtf we are putting in our body.

Could be fooking creatine for all we know.
 
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haha funny **** nobody really knows wtf we are putting in our body.

Could be fooking creatine for all we know.
I'm not sure I follow. The ingredients included in the hi-tech formulas are actually very well documented in their actions in the body(as they're naturally occurring). The 1-andro ingredient was actually included in a clinical study by Texas A&M.

If its on the label of one of our products, its in the product.
 

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Hey VaughnTrue, is this not recommended for a first time cycle?
 

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Honestly, to me this product seems pretty asinine and a waste of time and money. And it's not just because of its intentionally deceitful marketing (which doesn't bother me too much, people should read the label of anything they put in their body), it's the fact that it is a 300mg prop blend of some andros, an ecdysteroid (bug hormone) and some other unproven random compound, to be honest I feel like you would get better results from just andros, I don't need other stuff taking mgs out of the blend. All this being said, I personally use and have no qualms about using the illegal stuff, so my standards for results might be higher than some, maybe this is a passable option for the people who are concerned about legality, but I just don't see the value. Now if I see a couple logs from non-reps who make superdrol like gains on this product, I will gladly eat my words and probably even use it because it's a non-methyl, but I don't think that is very likely. Maybe someone will prove me wrong.
 
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Honestly, to me this product seems pretty asinine and a waste of time and money. And it's not just because of its intentionally deceitful marketing (which doesn't bother me too much, people should read the label of anything they put in their body), it's the fact that it is a 300mg prop blend of some andros, an ecdysteroid (bug hormone) and some other unproven random compound, to be honest I feel like you would get better results from just andros, I don't need other stuff taking mgs out of the blend. All this being said, I personally use and have no qualms about using the illegal stuff, so my standards for results might be higher than some, maybe this is a passable option for the people who are concerned about legality, but I just don't see the value. Now if I see a couple logs from non-reps who make superdrol like gains on this product, I will gladly eat my words and probably even use it because it's a non-methyl, but I don't think that is very likely. Maybe someone will prove me wrong.
so have you viewed the logs on our 1-andro ingredient(end users, non reps) at 200mg/day with users gaining 10lbs+ in a month?
 

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so have you viewed the logs on our 1-andro ingredient(end users, non reps) at 200mg/day with users gaining 10lbs+ in a month?
That sounds highly suspect.

Look I understand you're a rep and just trying to do your job, but it is incredibly difficult to believe anyone can gain more than 10lbs (at least a decent portion of which is muscle) on a low dose non-methyl in a month, otherwise no one would use any other oral, hell even pros would be using it, which I have never heard of. I'm sorry it just doesn't add up. Still I would be interested in reading them when I have the time if you could direct me to them.

*edit*: I forgot one possibility, and this is not meant to offend anyone, but if the people logging had never lifted before/trained or ate very improperly prior I might be inclined to believe those claims.
 

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so have you viewed the logs on our 1-andro ingredient(end users, non reps) at 200mg/day with users gaining 10lbs+ in a month?
I'm a few days in at 2 caps a day.

Having had a colorful past with both psychoactive's and AAS I am able to detect even minor changes in my mood or body chemistry.
Something is "definitely" different.

Observations are:

Aggression and irritability up.
Patience down.
Proneness to prideful behavior also up.

(All the above generally consisted with elevated T levels, or presence of 1-T in my experience)

Glycogen uptake in my post workout carb / whey isolate is astonishingly fast, and the muscle retention is also notable.

I have also noticed something that I remember vividly from my experiences with 1-T back in it's day, lethargy. I don't mind and can work around it, but that simply indicates to me that 1-T is present and in substantial enough quantities to be producing lethargy sides. In the past when I broached that threshold it also meant that it was present in quantities sufficient to produce noticeable A/A effects as well in enough time.

Just my observations so far, not scientific at all.
 
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I saw this handle and thought to myself "homeboy smokes dmt." Was I right?
 

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The name sucks!!! It has absolutely no relevance to SD no matter how much your marketing tries to spin it. **** like this takes the industry back several steps.
 
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That sounds highly suspect.

Look I understand you're a rep and just trying to do your job, but it is incredibly difficult to believe anyone can gain more than 10lbs (at least a decent portion of which is muscle) on a low dose non-methyl in a month, otherwise no one would use any other oral, hell even pros would be using it, which I have never heard of. I'm sorry it just doesn't add up. Still I would be interested in reading them when I have the time if you could direct me to them.

*edit*: I forgot one possibility, and this is not meant to offend anyone, but if the people logging had never lifted before/trained or ate very improperly prior I might be inclined to believe those claims.

If you want to dismiss both a clinical study on the compound showing 10.4lbs gained in a month, and now end user reports on the matter, that is on you.
 
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That sounds highly suspect.

Look I understand you're a rep and just trying to do your job, but it is incredibly difficult to believe anyone can gain more than 10lbs (at least a decent portion of which is muscle) on a low dose non-methyl in a month, otherwise no one would use any other oral, hell even pros would be using it, which I have never heard of. I'm sorry it just doesn't add up. Still I would be interested in reading them when I have the time if you could direct me to them.

*edit*: I forgot one possibility, and this is not meant to offend anyone, but if the people logging had never lifted before/trained or ate very improperly prior I might be inclined to believe those claims.
while YOU may not agree with me, science and now end user results now do as well:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24381122

Abstract
Prohormone supplements (PS) are recognized not to impart anabolic or ergogenic effects in men, but the research supporting these conclusions is dated. The Anabolic Steroid Control Act was amended in 2004 to classify androstenedione and 17 additional anabolic compounds as controlled substances. The viability of PS that entered the market after that time have not been evaluated. Seventeen resistance-trained men (23 ± 1 yr; 13.1 ± 1.5% body fat) were randomly assigned to receive either 330 mg/day of 3β-hydroxy-5α-androst-1-en-17-one (Prohormone; n = 9) or sugar (Placebo; n = 8) per os and complete a 4-wk (16 session) structured resistance-training program. Body composition, muscular strength, circulating lipids, and markers of liver and kidney dysfunction were assessed at study onset and termination. Prohormone increased lean body mass by 6.3 ± 1.2%, decreased fat body mass by 24.6 ± 7.1%, and increased their back squat one repetition maximum and competition total by 14.3 ± 1.5 and 12.8 ± 1.1%, respectively. These improvements exceeded (P < 0.05) Placebo, which increased lean body mass by 0.5 ± 0.8%, reduced fat body mass by 9.5 ± 3.6%, and increased back squat one repetition maximum and competition total by 5.7 ± 1.7 and 5.9 ± 1.7%, respectively.
Please, someone give me a rational explanation about how I am lying about anything when I am pulling statistics DIRECTLY from actual studies performed by universities NOT sponsored by me or my company. Please.
 
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but it is incredibly difficult to believe anyone can gain more than 10lbs (at least a decent portion of which is muscle) on a low dose non-methyl in a month, otherwise no one would use any other oral, hell even pros would be using it, which I have never heard of. I'm sorry it just doesn't add up. Still I would be interested in reading them when I have the time if you could direct me to them.

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then you weren't around before methyls.
 
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People give the scale far to much credit. Comes and goes with the wind.
 
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End user reports:

Log 1: AntM1564 - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/278429-hi-tech-pharmaceuticals.html

He is up 8lbs.

Log 2: hugojaya - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/278436-hi-tech-pharmaceuticals.html

direct quote from him:

"Taking four caps. Back workout was great. The 1-AD to be honest is surprising me. I thought that the banned DS/PH had no replacement. But the 1-AD is running great and compare it to epi[epistane]. I am glad I gave it a try and look forward to using other DHEA stuff."


Log 3: Aaron.Cole - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/277571-aaron-gets-inducted.html

Starting weight: 198lbs
Ending weight: 214.8lbs

Total gains: 16.8lbs



these are the first group of logs I could find within short notice. I'm going to be getting a full list today so I can show literally every end user report on here that is non-affiliated with me or Hi-Tech
 

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I saw this handle and thought to myself "homeboy smokes dmt." Was I right?
Ha. Not quite DMT, but I had my share of fun in my day.
The name actually was my online alias throughout the 90's and eventually became my EDM DJ handle as well during that era of my life.
 
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Ha. Not quite DMT, but I had my share of fun in my day.
The name actually was my online alias throughout the 90's and eventually became my EDM DJ handle as well during that era of my life.
I missed your original post in here saying you're enjoying using the product. where did you get a bottle from, our website? You got a bottle before I had a chance to!
 

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I got two, day of :)

I am in the same zip code as you guys, so it got to me the next day. In fact after seeing the address I thought about stopping by to say hi.
 
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hearing the glycogen retention on it is really kicking hard for you makes me smile ear to ear. when we were developing this product, I had mentioned I expected that result to be extremely prominent based upon the action of the new active ingredient, however I was met with some who didn't agree me it would be as pronounced as I was expecting. very glad to see I was right!
 
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while YOU may not agree with me, science and now end user results now do as well:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24381122



Please, someone give me a rational explanation about how I am lying about anything when I am pulling statistics DIRECTLY from actual studies performed by universities NOT sponsored by me or my company. Please.
Muscletech uses studies performed by universities where users gain 10+ pounds in a month on creatine. Let your end users determine effectiveness, not some meaningless study. I'm not dissing your product and I hope it works as good as you are anticipating but the fact of the matter is you are just taking a guess.
 
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Muscletech uses studies performed by universities where users gain 10+ pounds in a month on creatine. Let your end users determine effectiveness, not some meaningless study. I'm not dissing your product and I hope it works as good as you are anticipating but the fact of the matter is you are just taking a guess.

as I previously mentioned this study was not funded by us, or any supplement company. Muscletech funds those studies.

Additionally, I have repeatedly stated "clinical science PLUS end user reports". Thus why I began linking logs showing end users results on just 1-andro(which is included in this product). So SD provides that ingredient + more.


edit: did you switch companies? I thought you were with OL
 
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as I previously mentioned this study was not funded by us, or any supplement company. Muscletech funds those studies.

Additionally, I have repeatedly stated "clinical science PLUS end user reports". Thus why I began linking logs showing end users results on just 1-andro(which is included in this product). So SD provides that ingredient + more.


edit: did you switch companies? I thought you were with OL
Yep, made a switch. Looking to make this a full time job, follow in your footsteps ;)
 

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I have seen people gain 10-12 lbs from 1 & 4 Andro... But for the 3 people Ive seen use it, all 3 of them lost at least 40% of those gains after PCT, even with a Serm and good dieting, leading me to believe that alot of it was water retention. Ive also someone use Sd with a TRT dose and put on 17 pounds and dramatically recomp his body. Personally I know much more about Superdrol than I do about the DHEA's as far as experience, and I think Hi-Techs product certainly deserves a chance to prove what it can do. That being said Im skeptical about the Superdrol-like gains, I think the thing people have to keep in mind is that REAL Superdrol is not a prohormone. Its methylated oral steroid. Hi-techs product is NOT a steroid but the combo of prohormones. Their arent many real prohormones that are as strong as some other Oral Steroids or the more common designer steroids . Regardless, I think we should let the logs do the talking. Im certainly interested. At the very least, they provide a legal alternative for those who afraid to cross over to real gear...
 
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I have seen people gain 10-12 lbs from 1 & 4 Andro... But for the 3 people Ive seen use it, all 3 of them lost at least 40% of those gains after PCT, even with a Serm and good dieting, leading me to believe that alot of it was water retention. Ive also someone use Sd with a TRT dose and put on 17 pounds and dramatically recomp his body. Personally I know much more about Superdrol than I do about the DHEA's as far as experience, and I think Hi-Techs product certainly deserves a chance to prove what it can do. That being said Im skeptical about the Superdrol-like gains, I think the thing people have to keep in mind is that REAL Superdrol is not a prohormone. Its methylated oral steroid. Hi-techs product is NOT a steroid but the combo of prohormones. Their arent many real prohormones that are as strong as some other Oral Steroids or the more common designer steroids . Regardless, I think we should let the logs do the talking. Im certainly interested. At the very least, they provide a legal alternative for those who afraid to cross over to real gear...
Holding gains through PCT and beyond definitely isn't an easy task, so I totally agree that it's something to keep watch of in logs/cycles from end users.

I appreciate your post big time. It's honest, but shows you have an open mind...which is all that we're asking for :)
 

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Holding gains through PCT and beyond definitely isn't an easy task, so I totally agree that it's something to keep watch of in logs/cycles from end users.

I appreciate your post big time. It's honest, but shows you have an open mind...which is all that we're asking for :)
No problem. I also think that like someone mentioned before, the scale doesnt always dictate a successful cycle. I know plenty of people that have cycled with prohormones that looked much bigger than what the scale said they were. Depending on your goals and your diet, you may be shredding body fat and at the same time gaining lean muscle. So someone who gained 15 wet pounds on one compound, might not look nearly as good as someone who gained 8 pounds but also lost 1-2% body fat. And there is no doubt in my mind that Hi-Techs Superdrol can accomplish that. If we are looking at a ceiling as high as a 15 lb if everything in your research follows thru, or a floor as low as an 7-10 lb muscle gain and body recomp... while at the same time being completely legal.. I dont think anyone will be disappointed. I think the situation might be body type, Diet, and experience dependent... but no doubt gains will def. be achieved in my humble opinion...

People also have to realize that the US government is never going to go back and make some of the compounds we love legal again, in fact, they are just going to take away more products that we love. Some of us dont mind ordering from abroad. But not everyone is willing to take that risk. We cant criticize companies for trying some different ideas and combos of what is legally available. Alot of it may be trial and error, but without those bold companies taking chances, Their wouldnt be many options for alot of lifters out there.. This isnt exactly reinventing the wheel IF you can make the wheel spin faster or more efficient..
 
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This stuff is probably great for newer users or people who can't find the willpower to make the switch to injectables. Personally if I'm going to use PED's I want them to be insane; I'll probably stick with the old superdrol haha. DHEAs don't spark a huge interest for me, although I have had multiple positive experiences with epiandro and highly recommend dhea products for some people.
 
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This stuff is probably great for newer users or people who can't find the willpower to make the switch to injectables. Personally if I'm going to use PED's I want them to be insane; I'll probably stick with the old superdrol haha. DHEAs don't spark a huge interest for me, although I have had multiple positive experiences with epiandro and highly recommend dhea products for some people.
What's the highest you've ran Epi at?
 
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I don't need to try it to know that in no way shape or form does a 2 step precursor, dhea prop blend with added herbs,are bound to illicit gains that are anywhere near comparable to one of the most potent orals ever devised. Not implying dhea products don't have their merit either,I was a fan of PP's Andromass,but this is not even any near as good as that. My qualm is how disingenuous and how distasteful the marketing seems to be,if you are gullible enough to believe in its claims,then by all means to do so.
Because every scientist solves a problem by saying "I know."


Didn't meant to like that post by the way lol. Lucky you.
 
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What's the highest you've ran Epi at?
450mg, so not even high by most people's standards. And I'm pretty sure it was actually a blend of epiandro/androsterone
 
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I need to quickly decide between this of 1-test!!
 
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Unfortunately, I think that if compounds such as these keep delivering on their hype and claims, they are going to get banned. Kind of sucks ass.
 
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Curios to hear how the lethargy of this stack will be. I'm starting 4th week of Super R, 1, and 4, at 330mg a day, and the lethargy is terrible!! Worst lethargy ever, can't shake it, and I'm not going any longer than 4 weeks. My experience which includes methyls like M1T, Boladrol, and others, were never as bad as this. Crazy to think dhea pro hormones make me feel worse than on a methyl. Gains were average, maybe 7 lbs after 4 weeks, but I also eat a ton of carbs, and red meat. Only thing I will note, is body comp and hardness were noticeable after full 2nd week. Not major like sdrol, but there.
 
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Unfortunately, I think that if compounds such as these keep delivering on their hype and claims, they are going to get banned. Kind of sucks ass.
Innovators will always be innovating though.
 

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Unfortunately, I think that if compounds such as these keep delivering on their hype and claims, they are going to get banned. Kind of sucks ass.
Protein and multi vitamins will soon be banned.. I can see it now
 
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SUPERDROL logs will be selected soon...keep an eye out in the company promotion section for your chance to win a TWO BOTTLE CYCLE
 
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Protein and multi vitamins will soon be banned.. I can see it now
Obviously, I know this is sarcasm and is highly unlikely, however, if the FDA, other government administration, or big pharma can make money off of it(or if big pharma is losing money from a supp) anything is possible.
 

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