Recent Test Results for DS Craze

Sldge said:
I know he didnt test Craze because it does not and has never had BenzylPEA in it and Craze has always had and will always have caffeine. You can believe whatever you want about who is one of the most honest people you know. I have actual, independent lab tests and that's what matters to me.
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I am not doubting you man lol, otherwise I would not have even posted this thread. I'm asking where you think things got "dirty" along the chain. But I do stand by my post about neuron, I am certain he is not at fault.
 
southpaw23 said:
Dear god man...let it go. Jesus.
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Sorry...what? This is purely chasing my own curiosity at this point because I think we can all agree that the situation is very befuddling, as both parties are considered reputable. I still have Craze stockpiled for the upcoming school year and I have no reservations in using it/recommending it.

It's rather intriguing that pretty much the entirety of your posts in the supplement section are about DS products. I know Matt/Andy, and there's no way they'd use a shill, which leaves one possibility: you're a nuthugger. I'd cool your jets and let me ask Matt a question that has no bearing on anything practical. The scenario was pretty interesting, I'm curious, and I'm sure others are too...end of story.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Sorry...what? This is purely chasing my own curiosity at this point because I think we can all agree that the situation is very befuddling, as both parties are considered reputable. I still have Craze stockpiled for the upcoming school year and I have no reservations in using it/recommending it.

It's rather intriguing that pretty much the entirety of your posts in the supplement section are about DS products. I know Matt/Andy, and there's no way they'd use a shill, which leaves one possibility: you're a nuthugger. I'd cool your jets and let me ask Matt a question that has no bearing on anything practical. The scenario was pretty interesting, I'm curious, and I'm sure others are too...end of story.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to mr.cooper69 again.

Curiosity goes a long way.
 
Sldge said:
You aren't independent at all.

All lots have been tested for BenzylPEA after PA claimed to have found it. The labs already had all of the lots and we had them retest for the Benzyl (they had already done all of the other testing). There is no BenzylPEA in Craze.
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can you post results of all the lots then? should be readily available at your disposal

I do have all the lots I believe. want to confirm what I am taking

I am sure someone else want to see all the lots results
 
My x friend was on it and went crazy or would snap. I trust PA?after I saw what my x friend went threw I wouldn't recommend it to my clients.
 
I've used craze ever since it came out. Matter of fact, I was sent a sample before the release date. I've gone through at least 6-8 tubs and they've always worked the same. I doubt any weird ingredient changes or whatever. It is the most consistant preworkout supplement I've used. 2 scoops works kickass every time.
 
djbombsquad said:
My x friend was on it and went crazy or would snap. I trust PA?after I saw what my x friend went threw I wouldn't recommend it to my clients.
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Did your friend get naked and run around trying to eat someone's face? Or was that bath salts... ;-)

This thread has been very interesting. I'm with coop on I trust the people that sent in samples to pa, and pa has had enough experience doing this stuff his results would be accurate. So the question is why are their differences in opinions and tests.
 
My x friend was on it and went crazy or would snap. I trust PA?after I saw what my x friend went threw I wouldn't recommend it to my clients.
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Wow that post takes ignorant to a whole new level.

My friend is allergic to Banana's, I didn't believe him though so I force fed him 5 Banana's.

He said they tasted great, then his face started to mutate and he died.

Look, We are all different, how do you know this guy you speak of didn't have mental health issues or some other crazy brain condition which reacted funny with Craze, that is ofcourse if you aren't completely making this up which it sounds like you are.

I've used Craze, 3 scoops being my max dosage.

I absolutely love the stuff, I've hit personal bests with it and it gave me insane, insane confidence.

I've also given some to 2 of my gym friends, and another guy at work.

The 2 gym friends loved it and asked me to buy some for them, the guy at work is a bit of a fat waster and I wanted him to go all hyperactive in work, I gave him 2 scoops and he said he didn't feel a thing.

Everyone is different. To be as absolute as you have is completely retarded.
 
Sldge said:
It is accurate, post #920 and I quote "the full chromatagram showed just one other peak. i think its n,n-diethyl-2-phenethylamine but since i have no standard i cant verify its odd i didnt see caffeine. unless craze doesnt contain caffeine."
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creatine mono and amino acids will not elute on my column. please make an effort to represent me more accurately. it will serve your case a lot better
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Sorry...what? This is purely chasing my own curiosity at this point because I think we can all agree that the situation is very befuddling, as both parties are considered reputable. I still have Craze stockpiled for the upcoming school year and I have no reservations in using it/recommending it.

It's rather intriguing that pretty much the entirety of your posts in the supplement section are about DS products. I know Matt/Andy, and there's no way they'd use a shill, which leaves one possibility: you're a nuthugger. I'd cool your jets and let me ask Matt a question that has no bearing on anything practical. The scenario was pretty interesting, I'm curious, and I'm sure others are too...end of story.
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Reps for calling that DS groupie a nuthugger!
 
RiZzah said:
Wow that post takes ignorant to a whole new level.

My friend is allergic to Banana's, I didn't believe him though so I force fed him 5 Banana's.

He said they tasted great, then his face started to mutate and he died.

Look, We are all different, how do you know this guy you speak of didn't have mental health issues or some other crazy brain condition which reacted funny with Craze, that is ofcourse if you aren't completely making this up which it sounds like you are.

I've used Craze, 3 scoops being my max dosage.

I absolutely love the stuff, I've hit personal bests with it and it gave me insane, insane confidence.

I've also given some to 2 of my gym friends, and another guy at work.

The 2 gym friends loved it and asked me to buy some for them, the guy at work is a bit of a fat waster and I wanted him to go all hyperactive in work, I gave him 2 scoops and he said he didn't feel a thing.

Everyone is different. To be as absolute as you have is completely retarded.
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Of course everyone is different, but CLEARLY Craze tends to effect users differently than many other pre-workouts. A lot of people are in love with it and call it the best on the market, but it isn't like "weird experiences" with Craze are uncommon. They are frequently pointed out on numerous boards and numerous users have mentioned "drug like" effects. It's not as if one or a handful of people mention this, do some googling a lot of people talk about weird side effects/weird thinking etc.

Does that mean Craze is unsafe? Does that mean everyone will react that way? Of course not. But refusing to acknowledge that a number of people have pointed out weird experiences with Craze is just not being honest. And this is coming from someone who just bought his first bottle of Craze to see what all the fuss was about and how I'd react to it.

If everyone is just "making stuff up" that's a damn sure lot of people working together to fabricate stories of their experience while on Craze.
 
Geoforce said:
Of course everyone is different, but CLEARLY Craze tends to effect users differently than many other pre-workouts. A lot of people are in love with it and call it the best on the market, but it isn't like "weird experiences" with Craze are uncommon. They are frequently pointed out on numerous boards and numerous users have mentioned "drug like" effects. It's not as if one or a handful of people mention this, do some googling a lot of people talk about weird side effects/weird thinking etc.

Does that mean Craze is unsafe? Does that mean everyone will react that way? Of course not. But refusing to acknowledge that a number of people have pointed out weird experiences with Craze is just not being honest. And this is coming from someone who just bought his first bottle of Craze to see what all the fuss was about and how I'd react to it.

If everyone is just "making stuff up" that's a damn sure lot of people working together to fabricate stories of their experience while on Craze.
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Very true. The comparisons with other supplements, such as caffeine, to demonstrate they too have varying effects on individuals are not valid. I've not come across any other supplement that has had such a strong adverse reaction on such a large proportion of users.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I am not doubting you man lol, otherwise I would not have even posted this thread. I'm asking where you think things got "dirty" along the chain. But I do stand by my post about neuron, I am certain he is not at fault.
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It doesnt matter to me where they got "dirty". The fact is Craze does not contain BenzylPEA and to claim otherwise is an outright lie.
 
Sldge said:
It doesnt matter to me where they got "dirty". The fact is Craze does not contain BenzylPEA and to claim otherwise is an outright lie.
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Seems like a sub par response. Must not be much for PR skills.
 
I swear, you guys know that phrase "never talk about religion or politics" ? Looks like we should add pre-workouts to that quote.
 
I trust DS and Sledge...and I have for nearly a decade. I don't trust what one company says about another on the internets though.
 
LiveToLift said:
Seems like a sub par response. Must not be much for PR skills.
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I'm not really sure why a manufacturer should have to be the ones to figure where a sample that was found to be contaminated became contaminated, when the sample wasn't handled via normal chain of custody for testing. I'm not sure how he's supposed to tell what happens to a bottle once it leaves his warehouse.

If I wanted patrick to test something, i'd order a bottle from nutraplanet or bodybuilding.com or amazon.com and have his lab as the shipping address.
 
EasyEJL said:
I'm not really sure why a manufacturer should have to be the ones to figure where a sample that was found to be contaminated became contaminated, when the sample wasn't handled via normal chain of custody for testing. I'm not sure how he's supposed to tell what happens to a bottle once it leaves his warehouse.

If I wanted patrick to test something, i'd order a bottle from nutraplanet or bodybuilding.com or amazon.com and have his lab as the shipping address.
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Lol I don't expect them to figure it out I am merely observing the differences in their mannerisms.
 
EasyEJL said:
I'm not really sure why a manufacturer should have to be the ones to figure where a sample that was found to be contaminated became contaminated, when the sample wasn't handled via normal chain of custody for testing. I'm not sure how he's supposed to tell what happens to a bottle once it leaves his warehouse.

If I wanted patrick to test something, i'd order a bottle from nutraplanet or bodybuilding.com or amazon.com and have his lab as the shipping address.
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^This.
 
So you think I should publicly try to figure out which one of the 2 is really at fault with the attacks? As far as Im concerned they are both responsible, it makes no difference which one is more at fault.
 
Jim2542 said:
Lol I don't expect them to figure it out I am merely observing the differences in their mannerisms.
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Thank you..
 
Sldge said:
It doesnt matter to me where they got "dirty". The fact is Craze does not contain BenzylPEA and to claim otherwise is an outright lie.
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Are you calling me a liar Matt? Are you saying that I lied about what I saw in the sample I received?

I think its important here that we get clear exactly who you believe is the person you think has lied
 
EasyEJL said:
I'm not really sure why a manufacturer should have to be the ones to figure where a sample that was found to be contaminated became contaminated, when the sample wasn't handled via normal chain of custody for testing. I'm not sure how he's supposed to tell what happens to a bottle once it leaves his warehouse.

If I wanted patrick to test something, i'd order a bottle from nutraplanet or bodybuilding.com or amazon.com and have his lab as the shipping address.
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that would be the smart way to do it
 
bioman said:
I trust DS and Sledge...and I have for nearly a decade.
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Ditto. He's been a straight shooter for as long as ive known him.
 
Sldge said:
Why would I care if Neuron screwed over PA or if PA did it himself and is now making Neuron look bad? The end result is a competitor has posted something that is completely untrue about Craze.
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It wasn't untrue about the sample i tested. I can assure you that
 
Well, AbbaZabba just ordered some craze from BB and had it sent directly to my lab. My test results:

powdery stuff 100%
smelly stuff 100%
craze 100%

conclusive!!! There is definintly CRAZE in this here tub of CRAZE....

phewww.... now that that's over... let's move on.
 
Sldge said:
So you think I should publicly try to figure out which one of the 2 is really at fault with the attacks? As far as Im concerned they are both responsible, it makes no difference which one is more at fault.
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I shouldnt feel guilty about testing a sample of something and reporting my results.

However if I ever insinuated that I believe the results from the bottle I received represent 100 percent evidence that any or all lots of Craze contain what was found in the results then I apologize. However, I should not be held responsible for people that interpret what I reported in a way that you dont like.

this is a free country with free speech laws and people are entiltled to their honest opinions
 
Sldge said:
You aren't independent at all.

All lots have been tested for BenzylPEA after PA claimed to have found it. The labs already had all of the lots and we had them retest for the Benzyl (they had already done all of the other testing). There is no BenzylPEA in Craze. In our continued testing (more Craze has been produced since March) more lots were sent to the labs. The test that I posted has all of the information in a single place, on a sealed tub of Craze. By all means keep grasping for straws though.

PA has no chain of custody, is a competitor and decided to libel us, thats the reason for legal action.
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raptor2003 said:
can you post results of all the lots then? should be readily available at your disposal

I do have all the lots I believe. want to confirm what I am taking

I am sure someone else want to see all the lots results
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BUMP

any news?
 
Patrick Arnold said:
The lot number listed on the label of the bottle that i received from Neuron was not this lot number. It was 1110274
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Any way to tell when lot 1204131 was manufactered/factory sealed?[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [/FONT][/FONT]
 
PrepNwa23 said:
This is outright a horrible statement, short term memory?
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My opinion on it is pretty straight forward, I can see why Matt doesn't like others saying stuff about his product, no one does. I can see PA's side of it, he was sent something and just saying what he found. In the end what this does do is show that as an industry we are doing what we can to have checks and balances as if we don't watch out what is going on in the industry and try to vet it, the government will use that for an excuse and fully step in.
 
so...let me get this straight, Some one sues DS for spiking their product with a banned substance. PA for the good of the community tests this to put people's minds at ease and shares his results. DS don't like what gets reported and attempt to sue PA?
 
D2footballjrc said:
My opinion on it is pretty straight forward, I can see why Matt doesn't like others saying stuff about his product, no one does. I can see PA's side of it, he was sent something and just saying what he found. In the end what this does do is show that as an industry we are doing what we can to have checks and balances as if we don't watch out what is going on in the industry and try to vet it, the government will use that for an excuse and fully step in.
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yes yes
 
saggy321 said:
so...let me get this straight, Some one sues DS for spiking their product with a banned substance. PA for the good of the community tests this to put people's minds at ease and shares his results. DS don't like what gets reported and attempt to sue PA?
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they are not trying to sue me, at least not at this moment. they just dont want me saying things untrue and inaccurate about their product and they want me to sign a promise note. and i dont have any problem with that!!
 
my guess is that what makes them upset is that my findings may somehow muddy the waters with that lawsuit that was filed against them. if that lawsuit did not exist i would like to think that the stuff i said really wouldnt bother them much at all. might even amuse them
 
saggy321 said:
so...let me get this straight, Some one sues DS for spiking their product with a banned substance. PA for the good of the community tests this to put people's minds at ease and shares his results. DS don't like what gets reported and attempt to sue PA?
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But pa didn't test this himself, for the good of the community. Pa tested a sample sent to him by a rabble rousing jerk who has spouted off less and accusations regularly at any company he doesn't like for whatever reason.

When you test a product for a valid test, it gets ordered directly from a mass seller of the product to the lab. Not from the home of the individual who asks for the test
 
EasyEJL said:
But pa didn't test this himself, for the good of the community. Pa tested a sample sent to him by a rabble rousing jerk who has spouted off less and accusations regularly at any company he doesn't like for whatever reason.

When you test a product for a valid test, it gets ordered directly from a mass seller of the product to the lab. Not from the home of the individual who asks for the test
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Fair point....I haven't followed this as closely as some of you chaps, hence wanting clarity on what the current situation is. I have had a very negative and frightening experience with Craze, so I have some personal interest in the outcome of this.
 
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