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Pro BB Steroid Use

I wasn't trying to prove anybody wrong, i was just looking for info on if those drugs were approved for those uses in this country. You are pretty much protected, but i would not want to be explaining to a federal prosecutor why i prescribe steroids as off label meds to 50 guys.
 
Yeah I think overall as funny as it sounds the approval is more an issue for whether insurance pays for it or not than anything else. My particular TRT doc is partr of a longevity clinic so they sort of push the boundary
 
It would be interesting to see a cycle of one of the top pros. It would be pretty scary to see how much test, slin, HGH etc these guys are abusing!
 
There is a link 2/3 of the page up to a BB.com thread where a IFBB pro shows one of his cycles for a past contest.
 
GMG760 said:
There is a link 2/3 of the page up to a BB.com thread where a IFBB pro shows one of his cycles for a past contest.
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One of the message boards i was on many years ago had a guy who won the Jr. USA's, and he posted his. I can't remember if he put it on the open board or not. One thing that stuck out in my mind was it was alot of slin, even during pre contest dieting.
 
jcp2 said:
One of the message boards i was on many years ago had a guy who won the Jr. USA's, and he posted his. I can't remember if he put it on the open board or not. One thing that stuck out in my mind was it was alot of slin, even during pre contest dieting.
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and you have to keep in mind that also SOMETIMES the pros just say and post **** like that so people talk about them.
 
EasyEJL said:
and you have to keep in mind that also SOMETIMES the pros just say and post **** like that so people talk about them.
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No, it was actually very detailed. He was not bull****ting. I know what you mean though. You would be surprised what some powerlifters take, i know my jaw dropped when a few people told me the amount of test they would run.
 
Titus whatever his last name was, was notorious for taking huge amounts of test.

I personally see that as kinda stupid, as your body is just gonna get used to that much and then need that much or more in the future.

And yea, most pro's use ungodly amounts of slin it seems. enough to make you a diabetic. There is a Jay Cutler Vid where he opens his fridge and there is like 5-6 vials of the stuff just chillin next to his condements. lol.
 
There are a few that train in a different country that Steriods are not illegal in. 8 week cycle would be an in country training session. Location means everything.
 
Thanks for all the replies.....hard to draw any real conclusions from a forum since everybody has a different opinion. It'd be nice if we had legitimate claims from the pro's or those with direct contact with them. Their comments would be respected 10 fold from us peons.
 
MF210 said:
Thanks for all the replies.....hard to draw any real conclusions from a forum since everybody has a different opinion. It'd be nice if we had legitimate claims from the pro's or those with direct contact with them. Their comments would be respected 10 fold from us peons.
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I know some people who have trained with pros regularly, and one who knows many of them very personally, but i would never ask them too many questions about drugs, you end up sounding like an *******. The topci comes up, but not the point where i am going to ask someone to lay out what they or one of their friends took for the nationals or the olympia. It just makes you sound like a jerkoff. I have seen guys on this board who probably have stories they could type for hours, but why would they put that **** up on the internet.


All i will say is the more you are at gyms with competitors and become friendly with everyone, the more you will learn about what really goes on. You may never know exactly, but as you become friends with people the conversations will happen, especially if you know what you are talking about.
That is why i laugh at some of the things i have heard Tom Prince say. One thing i have learned, the more outraeous **** i have heard has more truth to it than i had ever imagined, and not just about drugs.
 
EasyEJL said:
Not true. deca can be prescribed for arthritis and joint issues, winstrol can be prescribed also for TRT if someone has high SHBG.
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dynomite said:
deca can be presrcibed for arthritis? I have not heard that one but seriously talk about a red flag. That would not make sense.

Also I have not heard of winny, a low adrogenic steroid, being used for
T(testosterone)RT, it simply doesn't make sense.

So a 300 pound dude walks into a doctor and says, "i need some deca for my arthritis, some winny for my TRT, also some T for my TRT, some HGH for my terminal illness and also some HCG so my balls dont shut down. Oh yeah and hook me up with some nolva too, thanks. And did i mention I would need enough for about 5 people?" No sane legal doctor will do that. It is black market.
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EasyEJL said:
Thats a very nice opinion, but just because you believe it doesn't mean its true. I on the other hand have a TRT doctor who does prescribe those items if your medical history and blood tests show the need and stay in reasonable levels.
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jcp2 said:
I just wrote a big long thread then i erased it, all i am going to say if you really beleive all the drugs these guys are getting comes from a doc, you are pretty naive.


Easy, i know quite a few docs who prescribe that stuff as well, do you get it from a compounding pharmacy?
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EasyEJL said:
yep sure is
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jcp2 said:
The reason i ask is because i think those uses are off label. I was under the impression the only drugs approved for anything in this country anymore was anavar and test, with possibly drol back in the mix. I may be wrong, and if you have any info pertaining to those drugs being approved for those conditions i would like to read it, i just did a quick google but could not find what i was looking for.
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EasyEJL said:
There are a couple of studies on deca and arthritis in the elderly, but i'm not sure about approval either by the FDA or the AMA. The winstrol I have no idea, just noticed it on their monthly specials one time.
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dynomite said:
first JCP makes you look like a tool for lying about the drugs your doctor pedals and then...

earlier you mentioned those drugs were used for those conditions and now you say you have no idea. Thanks for contributing to the thread bro.

GTFO!
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EasyEJL said:
Are you retarded? I didn't lie about anything, and he asked specifically for information related to APPROVAL of those items for those uses. Plenty of items are prescribed for off-label uses, a good example is viagra or cialis for high blood pressure. That doesn't mean there is any official approval of those uses. Get a grip.
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dynomite said:
I am aware of what off label uses are.

However your story of your doctor prescribing deca for arthritis and winny for TRT doesnt pan out man just as JCP mentioned before. Using viagra for high blood pressure is one thing but deca for arthritis is another.

As i said before GTFO rep!
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EasyEJL said:
i guess this is proof you are either retarded, or just can't read, as jcp also said he knows doctors who prescibe them. so why don't you gtfo moron
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dynomite said:
don't be hatin
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EasyEJL said:
:D I'm just touchy when someone calls me a liar. Personal ethics thing :)
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i just have to say this cracked me up....you handled that beautifully easy:lol:.....dont be hatin!
 
MF210 said:
Thanks for all the replies.....hard to draw any real conclusions from a forum since everybody has a different opinion. It'd be nice if we had legitimate claims from the pro's or those with direct contact with them. Their comments would be respected 10 fold from us peons.
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Post #34 :)
 
Anyone who is naive enough to actually think pros get their supplies from a prescription is dreaming. That may be true for a small percentage of their total intake, but having personally known several pro level competitors, I'm CERTAIN that they get their stuff from sources other than doctors. Plus, I don't think most people have a clue as to the MASSIVE amounts (grams) of stuff they take a week.
 
I have a friend who competes, he orders his stuff from an oversea pharmacy. Another guy i know, he didnt compete, just sold it. But he made his own it was pretty legit too.
 
I know for a fact that some of the top pros are using ugls and homebrew...but i would imagine that their are some who use pharma grade. Not that their is really a diffrence if you know a solid connect.
 
MF210 said:
Anybody who who follows the sport obviously knows it requires steroid use.

Do the pro's use black market products or have doc prescribed stuff? Or a little of both. I follow the sport very close, but certain info like this isn't discussed.

Support to your response is appreciated (aka, don't post - it is dr. prescribed (-: or .....they use black market (-;

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The pro's I know use black market ****. Dosages are not as crazy as some may think, either.
 
I heard that some of them train in countries where it is legal. So they do as much as their training over there and then come back closer to show time.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
I heard that some of them train in countries where it is legal. So they do as much as their training over there and then come back closer to show time.
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This is true for some... I am pretty sure Rich Gaspari trained in Spain for a while for this reason.
 
alot of pro athletes various sports go on "vacations" while in their off season.....
 
dynomite said:
I am aware of what off label uses are.

However your story of your doctor prescribing deca for arthritis and winny for TRT doesnt pan out man just as JCP mentioned before. Using viagra for high blood pressure is one thing but deca for arthritis is another.

As i said before GTFO rep!
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My anti-aging clinic prescribed me 300mg/week of deca for chronic lower back pain :) Easy is speaking the truth. Deca is obviously great on joints/cartilage, a lot of clinics prescribe it for TRT patients who have a history of chronic pain. It's obviously an off-label use and fairly safe for trt patients since they are already shut down or on hcg.
 
jay's wife is a nurse and any here notices alot of pros went to middle east for "guest appearance" it is not that hard to pick up and mail some stuff from there. IMO i belive they r gettin human grade finest (top lvl pros) but ....... it is not prescribed. if i went to mexico U BETEER BELIVE! i would ship myself some nice goods.
 
Jasen said:
jay's wife is a nurse and any here notices alot of pros went to middle east for "guest appearance" it is not that hard to pick up and mail some stuff from there. IMO i belive they r gettin human grade finest (top lvl pros) but ....... it is not prescribed. if i went to mexico U BETEER BELIVE! i would ship myself some nice goods.
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You don't have to go to a foreign country to get human grade steroids. It might be financially smarter to do so if you are buying a huge quantity, but it is by no means unavailable here in the US. I will say that most of the human grade that is available is middle eastern though... you just don't have to go there to get a hold of it.
 
birch said:
Anyone who is naive enough to actually think pros get their supplies from a prescription is dreaming. That may be true for a small percentage of their total intake, but having personally known several pro level competitors, I'm CERTAIN that they get their stuff from sources other than doctors. Plus, I don't think most people have a clue as to the MASSIVE amounts (grams) of stuff they take a week.
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:trink26:That's how I feel when reading the last sentence. Anyone with common sense will quickly realize the grotesque physiques of today's BB cannot be realized with over the top consumption of roids.

So what make you think most people don't have clue? Actually, most have.
 
How come everyone says AAS work great up to a certain point where more AAS wouldn't cause more muscle growth?

If that's true why do we think these guys go over the top with their doses?

Or is it not true?
 
chocolatemilk said:
How come everyone says AAS work great up to a certain point where more AAS wouldn't cause more muscle growth?

If that's true why do we think these guys go over the top with their doses?

Or is it not true?
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its not that more AAS doesn't create more muscle growth, but going from 500mg /wk to 1500mg doesn't nearly triple gains, it doesn't even double them.
But it does triple sides, estrogen, DHT etc. so you reach the point of diminishing returns, or where you have to take so much in ancilliaries to avoid sides that you end up with negative health issues from them.
 
EasyEJL said:
its not that more AAS doesn't create more muscle growth, but going from 500mg /wk to 1500mg doesn't nearly triple gains, it doesn't even double them.
But it does triple sides, estrogen, DHT etc. so you reach the point of diminishing returns, or where you have to take so much in ancilliaries to avoid sides that you end up with negative health issues from them.
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Ahhh I see... So gains do increase with increasing doses but on a decreasing level... thank you for clearing that for me Easy. Reps.
 
Do you think given the length of time these guys continuously use they will have to go om trt at one point or another?
 
no loll OF COURSE!
 
EasyEJL said:
its not that more AAS doesn't create more muscle growth, but going from 500mg /wk to 1500mg doesn't nearly triple gains, it doesn't even double them.
But it does triple sides, estrogen, DHT etc. so you reach the point of diminishing returns, or where you have to take so much in ancilliaries to avoid sides that you end up with negative health issues from them.
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pretty much true for anything:
over-eating will cause fat gain, not just muscle
over-training will cause you to weaken you CNS, thus lessening gains

you are much better off doing things in moderation
 
Basically, if they want to retain any significant amount of the muscle. If they don't care, they might be able to successfully do a restart protocol.
 
boatnerj said:
I just meant whenever they stop competing professionally in the future, will they most likely have to do trt?
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I don't think it's most likely... I think it is without a doubt.
 
GMG760 said:
I don't think it's most likely... I think it is without a doubt.
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Essentially its a chemically enhanced lifestyle. Many will go on to need trt, as well as thyroid medications, and likely other supports.

The body is amazing, yet it is also fragile. Like unto a flower that is beautiful and yet weak, yet seems as if it is a looming mountain of great stature.
 
What is reset protocol
 
well i know but what is it? liek whats the protocol like how do u do it?
 
What does it matter...they could use UGL gear and you could use human grade from the US and UK and you still wouldn't look half as big...Its genetics...the fact they don't have to work a 9-5 job and their bodies just utilize it much more efficiently than the average person...so again what does it matter where they get their gear?
 
boatnerj said:
I just meant whenever they stop competing professionally in the future, will they most likely have to do trt?
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probably, for the reason that most of them DONT come off and do a pct.. im sure after years of a nonexistent natural hormone production, they will have to rely on replacement therapy

on a side note: i may be wrong and not very informed of this, but it seems to me that a lot of the first generation bodybuilders are reaching old ages and in the next decade well be able to assess the adverse effects long term use caused, if any.
 
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