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R1balla said:
do i need to take a juice with creatine to transport it better to my muscles? G N C told me to take milk thistle and a fat burner because i will get bloated
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Was Mark McGwire bloated? No! Was Sammy Sosa bloated? No! Was Mork from Mork and Mindy bloated? NO!!! All they took was creatine. Wrong again Mr. Chain Supplement Store Guy.
 
R1balla said:
do i need to take a juice with creatine to transport it better to my muscles? G N C told me to take milk thistle and a fat burner because i will get bloated
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You need to mix your creatine in a 2:1 ratio with water:juice and then add 2mg of salt + powdered banana and turkey kidneys. If you don't do this you are wasting your time.

Creatine only absorbs with that combo.
 
jimbuick said:
Thank you for the elementary school lesson. Time is still the creation of man.

And now you are assuming that God is on Earth (when he resides in Heaven), does Heaven even rotate on any axis? I don't know, do you somehow know?

Now you assume the days that were spoken of were rotations of Earth, which it says not one time in the Bible.

God didn't create time, we did.
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Well it's more fun when people don't take this so seriously. It's not like this discussion matter, so just enjoy it.

So before God made man, there were days ("on the first day...") Days are ways to measure time. Tell me again how man made up time? It's a measurement of a dimension. Unless God's days are not a measurement of time? In which case it's super confusing for Her (see what I did there) to call them days. A poor decision I'd say.

Anywho, the universe rotates so I guess there's always an axis to measure.

Now I am 100% sure God created cell tech and Prime, though.
 
Jiigzz said:
You need to mix your creatine in a 2:1 ratio with water:juice and then add 2mg of salt + powdered banana and turkey kidneys. If you don't do this you are wasting your time.

Creatine only absorbs with that combo.
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The newest rats studies say to use "green" banana and pheasant kidney for better results.
 
pump3d said:
Well it's more fun when people don't take this so seriously. It's not like this discussion matter, so just enjoy it.

So before God made man, there were days ("on the first day...") Days are ways to measure time. Tell me again how man made up time? It's a measurement of a dimension. Unless God's days are not a measurement of time? In which case it's super confusing for Her (see what I did there) to call them days. A poor decision I'd say.

Anywho, the universe rotates so I guess there's always an axis to measure.

Now I am 100% sure God created cell tech and Prime, though.
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Research Yom.
 
pump3d said:
The newest rats studies say to use "green" banana and pheasant kidney for better results.
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I hate how fast these studies move.
 
R3ACTION said:
Research Yom.
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Kinda making my point for me. Yom is a word used to describe time. It could mean something different from what we have translated it to, but it is time nonetheless. There could not be passage of time before man if time is a creation of man. Therefore time is not a creation of man.
 
sking6464 said:
you referenced the bible, so question, bible says it was adam and eve, they had 2 boys......how did the human race grow from that?
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It tells you they had two boys. Yes. It does not tell you that was the only children they had.

Let us study scripture and not just quote and reference things ambiguously:

Another example:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth:
And God said, “Let there be light,”...the first day.
And God said, “Let there be a vault between...the second day.
And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered...the third day.
And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky...the fourth day.
And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures...the fifth day.
And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures... & Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness...the sixth day.

Several points:

God brought these things into existence instantly. A single event. Done!

Have any of you considered that the Creator of our universe (our universe as we see, know and understand it) might actually have the capacity to multitask beyond one single task a day? Could there have been other days of the creation of things besides the 6 that are accounted for of our creation? Could He have been up to many many more intricate and complex activities beyond the creation of our universe and that the account of the creation of us in our universe is all that is intended to be told in our Bible? The Bible is telling us our story...not the entire story.

Previously stated - For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.

Let us look at:
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness...the sixth day.

Let's look at key words - God created "mankind" in our "image" in our "likeness"

Keyword: mankind
Assumed facts - God created "mankind"
Additional assumed facts - that God only created "mankind" and not other intelligent beings. Who said so? Not God. Not me.
What business is it of mine that He need to inform me of what other intelligent life forms He created?

Keyword: us/our
Implies we, more than one, plural - Father, Son, Holy Spirit:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made."

"If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

"And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—the Spirit of truth."

The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

Clearly not on our terms but on His terms!

Keywords: image/likeness
We are created in the image and likeness - that does not mean a duplicate or replica. We are created in Spirit image and likeness of God.

"But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?” He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.” And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”

The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
 
What is always intriguing to me is how in genesis god is always referred to in plural (ie. us). Similarly the term used in Hebrew, Elohim, is plural as well. Always interested me.
 
You guys want a serious discussion on god? Stop talking about the bible. Talking snakes, dust men, rib women, people living 900+ years, geez....
 

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sking6464 said:
i like halfhuman's answer............at this point, i want to have faith in something greater, but intellectually i cant believe in all that, i think we are all organisms that will just die like anything else.......my grandpa served in italy in WWII, 'the things iv seen, there is no god', something i wont forget

also, how come we never find any artifacts depicted in the bible? but can find human bones from 6million yrs ago
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We have found artifacts. Dead sea scrolls?
 
Kinggrommet said:
Lets lighten the mood in here...
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On a more serious note, has anyone used any of the fitness games for kinect? I was thinking of picking up one for my wife

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David Dunn said:
It tells you they had two boys. Yes. It does not tell you that was the only children they had.

Have any of you considered that the Creator of our universe (our universe as we see, know and understand it) might actually have the capacity to multitask beyond one single task a day? Could there have been other days of the creation of things besides the 6 that are accounted for of our creation? Could He have been up to many many more intricate and complex activities beyond the creation of our universe and that the account of the creation of us in our universe is all that is intended to be told in our Bible? The Bible is telling us our story...not the entire story.
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i think is says mankind because the book was written by man, and at the time they were unaware of any of the major historical findings in the future, like dinosaurs before us, a universe that extends beyond where they were , and so on

to say they left out possible key events because they/he felt like it is again picking and choosing what you want to take literal and what not to in the bood.....if he was responsible for everything as in a universe as opposed to just man and earth as is depicted in the bible, id think itd have been recounted seeing its quite a significant thing, but again those who wrote it did not have that knowledge

and if adam and eve had other children but it wasnt noted because who are we to be privy to that information, meh hard for me to accept seeing they were the 'first family'

either way, thank you, makes one think regardless of the side i or you choose to believe in

question , we are created in his spirit likeness, and not literal likeness, are we the only living creature unique to this? can dogs for example have a spirit likeness as well? they are living animals like us, just are not referred to in the same part
 
This thread inspired me to finally change my avatar.

E=McLIFT brah!

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sking6464 said:
i think is says mankind because the book was written by man, and at the time they were unaware of any of the major historical findings in the future, like dinosaurs before us, a universe that extends beyond where they were , and so on

to say they left out possible key events because they/he felt like it is again picking and choosing what you want to take literal and what not to in the bood.....if he was responsible for everything as in a universe as opposed to just man and earth as is depicted in the bible, id think itd have been recounted seeing its quite a significant thing, but again those who wrote it did not have that knowledge

and if adam and eve had other children but it wasnt noted because who are we to be privy to that information, meh hard for me to accept seeing they were the 'first family'

either way, thank you, makes one think regardless of the side i or you choose to believe in
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Not to be argumentative but...look at the bold. You are contradicting yourself by doing the very same "selective" literal and not literal interpretation with "I think". Seriously...not arguing. I agree - this always (been in these discussion many times before) make me think and see new insight - but I still come back to God - with even stronger conviction. :)

Additionally, He apparently didn't feel it was significant otherwsie it would be stated IMO...
David Dunn said:
Previously stated - For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.
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sking6464 said:
question , we are created in his spirit likeness, and not literal likeness, are we the only living creature unique to this? can dogs for example have a spirit likeness as well? they are living animals like us, just are not referred to in the same part
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It was just before He created man in His image - 6th day:

And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

Then on the same day He created mankind in His (their) likeness:

Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

So according to scripture, no. We are the only living creature with this uniqueness that He created in this account of creation of the living things on our planet.
 
iparatroop said:
Dave Matthews
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Many people think the quote is "eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die." They'll insist on different origins. Some will say that it comes from Shakespeare. Others will say that it comes from what pirates used to say. Others will say it is from the old wild west when cowboys could be considered outlaws.

There is more than one problem with these things. The first is that none of them are the origin of the phrase. The second is that the phrase is not "eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die." Instead, it is "eat, drink, and be merry."

The quote "eat, drink, and be merry" has its origin in the Bible. DOH!!!:D

It comes from Ecclesiastes 8:15. It is also found in Luke 12:19. Neither of these mentions "for tomorrow we die."

However, people are not far off if the say that the phrase "eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die," comes from the Bible. Two phrases that come from the Bible are being mixed together.

It is not far off to add, "for tomorrow we die," to "eat, drink, and be merry." This is because the phrase that is found in Isaiah 22:13 is "let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die." The only part missing from that phrase is "be merry."

Of course, there are many other quotes about eating and drinking. It is likely that a list of these quotes will be labeled as "Eat, Drink, and Be Merry" quotes.

Sources:

Ecclesiastes 8:15 So I commend the enjoyment of life, because nothing is better for a man under the sun than to eat and drink and be glad. Then joy will accompany him in his work all the days of the life God has given him under the sun.. (n.d.). Online Parallel Bible: Weaving God's Word into the Web . Retrieved January 26, 2011, from Invalid Link Removed

Isaiah 22:13 But see, there is joy and revelry, slaughtering of cattle and killing of sheep, eating of meat and drinking of wine! "Let us eat and drink," you say, "for tomorrow we die!". (n.d.). Online Parallel Bible: Weaving God's Word into the Web . Retrieved January 26, 2011, from Invalid Link Removed

Luke 12:19 And I'll say to myself, "You have plenty of good things laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry."'. (n.d.). Online Parallel Bible: Weaving God's Word into the Web . Retrieved January 26, 2011, from Invalid Link Removed

Martin, G. (n.d.). Eat drink and be merry. The meanings and origins of sayings and phrases . Retrieved January 26, 2011, from Invalid Link Removed
 
JudoJosh said:
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there are historically known issues and contradictions within the KJV. It is sadly no different than any other version.

The early version of the bible (containing many of the "lost" gospels) is different...entirely
 
AE14 said:
there are historically known issues and contradictions within the KJV. It is sadly no different than any other version.

The early version of the bible (containing many of the "lost" gospels) is different...entirely
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Time for nick cage and national treasure 12
 
AE14 said:
there are historically known issues and contradictions within the KJV. It is sadly no different than any other version.

The early version of the bible (containing many of the "lost" gospels) is different...entirely
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I often, even within fellowship with members of my own faith, have had to tread lightly when discussing things that touch on this. I always remain critical of text(s) despite what others choose to take on face value.

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For the love of God (pun intended) there is so much text about Christ that have been suppressed by "the church":

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The historical fact still remains that there was a Jesus born of Mary who we Christians believe to be the Christ prophesied in the Old Testament as the New Covenant of and with God.
 
David Dunn said:
I often, even within fellowship with members of my own faith, have had to tread lightly when discussing things that touch on this. I always remain critical of text(s) despite what others choose to take on face value.

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The historical fact still remains that there was a Jesus born of Mary who we Christians believe to be the Christ prophesied in the Old Testament as the New Covenant of and with God.
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I am with you DD. I was trying to stay out of this thread. Lol

There is a lot of info out there about the life of Jesus, much of which contradicts the accepted gospels.

Either way, I always respect others opinions and faith. My commentary is never meant to attempt to convert anyone....more for discussion and information exchange.
 
AE14 said:
I am with you DD. I was trying to stay out of this thread. Lol

There is a lot of info out there about the life of Jesus, much of which contradicts the accepted gospels.

Either way, I always respect others opinions and faith. My commentary is never meant to attempt to convert anyone....more for discussion and information exchange.
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I know completely where you are coming from regarding these threads. It's been civil which has kept my interest.

I guess I responded directly to you because I always enjoy and learn a lot from your contributions regardless of any differences in opinion or faith. I appreciate you. Thanks.
 
David Dunn said:
I know completely where you are coming from regarding these threads. It's been civil which has kept my interest.

I guess I responded directly to you because I always enjoy and learn a lot from your contributions regardless of any differences in opinion or faith. I appreciate you. Thanks.
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Oh gosh ae coming in here and talking about religion!!!
 
David Dunn said:
I know completely where you are coming from regarding these threads. It's been civil which has kept my interest.

I guess I responded directly to you because I always enjoy and learn a lot from your contributions regardless of any differences in opinion or faith. I appreciate you. Thanks.
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The feeling is mutual. :)
 
anyone else happen to notice the earth is now some 80million yrs older than we thought it was last week?
damn....and i thought women aged badly :p
 
GQNemesis said:
proof ?
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proof that what i say happened last week?
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proof that, that is the way it is, no arguments?
sorry, you'll never hear me spew such definitiveness

i'm not that arrogant to presume i'm "in the know", about things no man has actual definitive knowledge of
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
proof that what i say happened last week?
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proof that, that is the way it is, no arguments?
sorry, you'll never hear me spew such definitiveness
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Do you understand the methods they used to determine this well enough for yourself to know if it is an accurate method? It's a report by someone about something you yourself have zero ability to validate and yet you just take it on face value? Unless of course you do on both accounts then I would be happy to hear it.

Science and medicine for centuries have had the definitive answers for everything until they later contradict themselves with the newest and greatest definitive.
 
David Dunn said:
Do you understand the methods they used to determine this well enough for yourself to know if it is an accurate method? It's a report by someone about something your yourself have zero ability to validate and yet you just take it on face value? Unless of course you do on both accounts then I would be happy to hear it.

Science and medicine for centuries have had the definitive answers for everything until they later contradict themselves with the newest and greatest definitive.
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Hey DD, you got me thinking on some of the earlier posts, specifically as a result of age/time etc...

Ever heard of Gobekli Tepi? An interesting find in Turkey which changes our understanding of organized civilizations and when they originated. Thought you might find it interesting, specifically that some of the animal carvings do not make sense for that region.
 
David Dunn said:
Do you understand the methods they used to determine this well enough for yourself to know if it is an accurate method? It's a report by someone about something your yourself have zero ability to validate and yet you just take it on face value? Unless of course you do on both accounts then I would be happy to hear it.

Science and medicine for centuries have had the definitive answers for everything until they later contradict themselves with the newest and greatest definitive.
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i understand, like all this discussion that has been going on in here (including yours B) - that this is all based on theory


The Planck space probe looked back at the afterglow of the Big Bang, and those results have now added about 80 million years to the universe's age, putting it at 13.81 billion years old.

The findings released Thursday bolster a key theory called inflation, which says the universe burst from subatomic size to its now-observable expanse in a fraction of a second.

The probe, named for the German physicist Max Planck, the originator of quantum physics, also found that the cosmos is expanding a bit slower than originally thought, has a little less of that mysterious dark energy than astronomers had figured and has a tad more normal matter. But scientists say those are small changes in calculations about the universe, whose numbers are so massive.
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notice key words "previously thought".."theory".."figured"

which, is what i think i said, here:

snagencyV2.0 said:
i'm not that arrogant to presume i'm "in the know", about things no man has actual definitive knowledge of
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but you cannot dispute, B, that this story was published and in the last week
i have posted my proof of that :)
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
i understand, like all this discussion that has been going on in here (including yours B) - that this is all based on theory



notice key words "previously thought".."theory".."figured"

which, is what i think i said, here:



but you cannot dispute, B, that this story was published and in the last week
i have posted my proof of that :)
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Agreed! Just making sure we're all paying attention :)

BTW - I've been meaning to post this forever

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You're a baseball fan. Surely you know you have a brother from another mother named Kevin Millar? :D
 
David Dunn said:
Agreed! Just making sure we're all paying attention :)

BTW - I've been meaning to post this forever

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You're a baseball fan. Surely you know you have a brother from another mother named Kevin Millar? :D
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hahahaa! yeah, kevin is a trip!
i take that as a compliment :D
great program, harold reynolds is good too, MLB network is boss


not to change the subject but - RIP joe weider
the man single-handedly did more to promote and further the industry of bodybuilding, while simultaneously bastardizing concepts and pushing growth backwards, than any man ever
 
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