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R1balla said:
you dont know what I have been through my man. your story is heart breaking, but trust me, ive been there in a similar situation and i have stuff that nobody knows about that i go through on the daily basis. im praying for you.


edit: read in bold. did i ever say that? no. you simply have to believe that Christ died for your sins and walk out that faith.
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No, you quoted the bible saying one has to believe in Jesus to get to the father.

Which way is it?

And I need no praying. Pray for the mass graves I got to experience in the middle east, or the villages who got to experience chemical weapons in syria, or the Kurds who got a taste of mustard gas from their own government.

I respect you believe so vehemently. But someone like me; it makes me question things. And if God did present us with free will, I think he/she would appreciate the fact my morals are strong enough to question an omnipotent entity that allows such travesty to happen to good people.
 
R1balla said:
I think you are referring to the anti christ? if so, MAN came up with those predictions, nowhere in the Bible. And i wasnt referring to revelations. Read some Isaiah.
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so wait a minute..
isaiah (old testament, that is not even the way we live anymore as you said above) has relevant predictions..
yet, revelations does not?

there you go picking and choosing again

:D
 
DAdams91982 said:
No, you quoted the bible saying one has to believe in Jesus to get to the father.

Which way is it?

And I need no praying. Pray for the mass graves I got to experience in the middle east, or the villages who got to experience chemical weapons in syria, or the Kurds who got a taste of mustard gas from their own government.

I respect you believe to vehemently. But someone like me; it makes me question things. And if God did present us with free will, I think he/she would appreciate the fact my morals are strong enough to question an omnipotent entity that allows such travesty to happen to good people.
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I quoted a verse from the Bible saying what the Lord said. I did not say if you dont read the Bible you wont get into heaven. I was using that verse as an exmaple. and its ok, I still want to pray for you and I will.

and its normal for people to question everything and anything. thats how you learn. thats how you find out if its right or wrong.
 
R1balla said:
to have a relationship with us.

evil doesnt make anyone sin. evil TEMPTS us to sin.

he is not at fault for our sins. if you believe in Him, you will know, while we are still sinners from free will, Christ died for our sins so if we accept that, we will be in heaven one day.

he is powerful enough to eliminate the devil. and that day is coming.
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God couldn't think of another way to have a relationship with us? He's supposedly perfect so why so many people are starving and dying so young from diseases and all sorts of things? If God new we was capable of all that than he could've tweaked us and make us better. Free will doesn't exist. He made us knowing what we capable of doing. I saw a video here giving an example. If you made a robot a new it was capable of ruining your lab when done is that part your fault? For knowing it was a chance it will?
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
so wait a minute..
isaiah (old testament, that is not even the way we live anymore as you said above) has relevant predictions..
yet, revelations does not?

there you go picking and choosing again

:D
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you take what i say out of context, my gosh. OT has things in there that we do not abide by anymore like burnt offerings and things like that. It is still very relevant.

and revelations does have predictions, but the one stated above was referring to the anti christ with a human assumption, which is not in Rev.

This is turning into an argument, i wont be posting on here anymore. any questions, PM me
 
halfhuman said:
God couldn't think of another way to have a relationship with us? He's supposedly perfect so why so many people are starving and dying so young from diseases and all sorts of things? If God new we was capable of all that than he could've tweaked us and make us better. Free will doesn't exist. He made us knowing what we capable of doing. I saw a video here giving an example. If you made a robot a new it was capable of ruining your lab when done is that part your fault? For knowing it was a chance it will?
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we have our own free will to think, kill ourselves, run into a wall, front flip off the couch. Free will allows people to not believe in the Lord. Is your choice, not His. If free will does not exist, dont you think The Lord will make you choose Him? I think so, but just my opinion.
 
If we had the technology we have now back when all this happened the word God and the bible wouldn't exist. Why is it that all bad things are happening now and not one miracle has happened as it did back than? Because back than anyone can either lie or write anything without any solid proof. Now you can't go ahead and say this and that and anyone will believe it. People all around the world make fake alien footage to say they saw an alien. But technology proves some are fake. Same can go to those days.
 
R1balla said:
no human can answer that.
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fine, BUT if god is so divine and good and pure, how can he allow that? why doesnt he intervene now, world is far ****tier than the last time he 'showed up', how come he doesnt feel the need to save us from our sins this time?

also if god is the creator, he created me, but i dont believe in heaven, do i go? even if i lead a saintly life?

just for me, there is way way too many holes in this story, vs science and evolution............i went to catholic school too, just now for me its hard to fathom......some of those most religious nations are the poorest and most destitute
 
It's really pretty simple. In order to remove suffering from this world, God would have to remove sin. In order to remove sin He would have to remove sinners. "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God." (Rom 3:23) He gave us a "free will". It is up to each of us how we use it.
 
sking6464 said:
fine, BUT if god is so divine and good and pure, how can he allow that? why doesnt he intervene now, world is far ****tier than the last time he 'showed up', how come he doesnt feel the need to save us from our sins this time?

also if god is the creator, he created me, but i dont believe in heaven, do i go? even if i lead a saintly life?

just for me, there is way way too many holes in this story, vs science and evolution............i went to catholic school too, just now for me its hard to fathom......some of those most religious nations are the poorest and most destitute
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Satan even believes there is a God.... you have to accept Him as your Lord. All the rest about heaven, I dont know man. Thats between you and the Lord.
 
R1balla said:
im actually studying it for the 4th time right now. nowhere does it say bin laden or any of those people will be the anti christ
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now you are just being silly
(oops - there i go being condescending again)
if you are not reading about the anti-christ (no of course it doesn't name who it will be :rolleyes:), then i question what in tarnation version of the bible you have


R1balla said:
Satan even believes there is a God....
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satan?
[insert all relevant arguments pertaining to existence of god here]
 
sking6464 said:
fine, BUT if god is so divine and good and pure, how can he allow that? why doesnt he intervene now, world is far ****tier than the last time he 'showed up', how come he doesnt feel the need to save us from our sins this time?

also if god is the creator, he created me, but i dont believe in heaven, do i go? even if i lead a saintly life?

just for me, there is way way too many holes in this story, vs science and evolution............i went to catholic school too, just now for me its hard to fathom......some of those most religious nations are the poorest and most destitute
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I agree here.
 
R1balla said:
no human can answer that.
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as a devote christian, why do you think then? regardless of a concrete answer, there must be some sort of reasoning christians take as acceptance of this discrepancy
 
sking6464 said:
fine, BUT if god is so divine and good and pure, how can he allow that? why doesnt he intervene now, world is far ****tier than the last time he 'showed up', how come he doesnt feel the need to save us from our sins this time?

also if god is the creator, he created me, but i dont believe in heaven, do i go? even if i lead a saintly life?

just for me, there is way way too many holes in this story, vs science and evolution............i went to catholic school too, just now for me its hard to fathom......some of those most religious nations are the poorest and most destitute
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He will intervene, read Revelations. God deals with mankind differently at different periods in time (dispensations). Just like you deal with your children differently at different stages of their lives.
 
balla - before someone comes in with misunderstanding of my own points directed to you, understand that i am not being argumentative or contrary with you, or attempting to dissuade you from your beliefs

if you have faith - then stay strong in your faith!
nothing said on a forum should deter you..

my points are simply conversational, with the added aspect that i prefer you not come in here spewing you have PROOF of your beliefs, and that they are the only correct beliefs to be had

that is all
 
Actually there is much evidence to support the Bible. So much that it would actually take several days to present it all. But here is a good start. Invalid Link Removed
 
BBB said:
Actually there is much evidence to support the Bible. So much that it would actually take several days to present it all. But here is a good start. Invalid Link Removed
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without watching (sorry, and forgive me if i am mistaken in your point) - again, i do not dispute the bible as a sort of historical abstract..somewhat like what our history books are based off of, in school

the relevancy and historical documentation insofar as it pertains to a god in a heaven, commanding us and frowning down upon us..well, i need not continue
 
Such confidence we have through Christ before God. Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

You want to know who God is then read what Christ had to say. He is the New Covenant - the Old (covenant) Testament is no longer valid. So do not reference it.

Homosexuality, adultery, murder, stealing, envy, gluteny are all sin and seperate us from God. Christ offers all of us sinners reconcilliation with God.

When people who don't know the bible use the bible to invalidate the bible it is quite silly.
 
David Dunn said:
You want to know who God is then read what Christ had to say. He is the New Covenant - the Old (covenant) Testament is no longer valid. So do not reference it.

Homosexuality, adultery, murder, stealing, envy, gluteny are all sin and seperate us from God. Christ offers all of us sinners reconcilliation with God.
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aye, understood the new pushed out the old, so the theory goes

let's talk about this concept then
essentially, ppl can go on committing these sins you mention, so long as they keep asking forgiveness and believe that they are forgiven (because in order to believe you must first believe christ truly is the son of god, so he has that power to forgive)

seems a little convenient to me

on the flip: a good person, who lives life justly and fairly, does right by his fellow man, goes out of his way to help a stranger - and yet, is an atheist or an agnostic, they are destined to burn forever


i am confoosed
 
i will go further, and emphatic:

the concepts breeds the obvious conclusion that it doesn't matter what we do on this earth - so long as we accept that christ is the son of god

no way shape or form does this make any intellectual common sense
 
“I daren't come and drink," said Jill.
Then you will die of thirst," said the Lion.
Oh dear!" said Jill, coming another step nearer."I suppose I must go and look for another stream then."
There is no other stream," said the Lion.”
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Ballesteri said:
“I daren't come and drink," said Jill.
Then you will die of thirst," said the Lion.
Oh dear!" said Jill, coming another step nearer."I suppose I must go and look for another stream then."
There is no other stream," said the Lion.”
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well hallelujah


oh - and lest anyone question my understanding of the bible or religion..
i was raised in a fairly religious family, multi-denominational segments thruout..
went to parochial school for 5yrs..
and was heavily involved in the church as a youth
(in fact, at one point i thought my calling was to be a minister)

not saying i am the authority by any means here, but just to explain that i am fairly familiar with these concepts being hashed about

:)
 
I'm subbed for more Lewis quotes! The other stuff though, that can stop.... Not worth the animosity.
 
R1balla said:
whoa whoa whoa! Well looky here!
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Just to be clear -- we all lost jobs. We all were immediately handicapped when they confiscated 1 million in Andro stock in production room.

Forced to instantly close shop -- all computers, gadgets, equipment etc.. sold for dirt cheap on craigslist day after, packed everything up in Uhaul and cleared out within 6 days.

Eric might be coming out (for the time being) with just a revamped toco-8 formula called "TocoFruits."

and I believe in God.

-Matt
 
MattPorter said:
Just to be clear -- we all lost jobs. We all were immediately handicapped when they confiscated 1 million in Andro stock in production room.

Forced to instantly close shop -- all computers, gadgets, equipment etc.. sold for dirt cheap on craigslist day after, packed everything up in Uhaul and cleared out within 6 days.

Eric might be coming out (for the time being) with just a revamped toco-8 formula called "TocoFruits."

and I believe in God.

-Matt
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no i didnt mean it in a bad way!!! just sayin glad to see you!
 
MattPorter said:
Just to be clear -- we all lost jobs. We all were immediately handicapped when they confiscated 1 million in Andro stock in production room.

Forced to instantly close shop -- all computers, gadgets, equipment etc.. sold for dirt cheap on craigslist day after, packed everything up in Uhaul and cleared out within 6 days.

Eric might be coming out (for the time being) with just a revamped toco-8 formula called "TocoFruits."

and I believe in God.

-Matt
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oh stop diverting this thread with reality, will ya? :D
 
MattPorter said:
Just to be clear -- we all lost jobs. We all were immediately handicapped when they confiscated 1 million in Andro stock in production room.

Forced to instantly close shop -- all computers, gadgets, equipment etc.. sold for dirt cheap on craigslist day after, packed everything up in Uhaul and cleared out within 6 days.

Eric might be coming out (for the time being) with just a revamped toco-8 formula called "TocoFruits."

and I believe in God.

-Matt
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we need proof matt, jbrynd needs fkn proof, any craiglist receipts you can produce? copies or it didnt happen:lmao:
 
sking6464 said:
as a devote christian, why do you think then? regardless of a concrete answer, there must be some sort of reasoning christians take as acceptance of this discrepancy
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my thoughts? just my opinion, nothing else:

God allowed sin into the world, because we have free will (you may argue with this, just my opinion). Because of this, terrible things happen in the world. Just because you are a christian doesnt mean your life will be perfect. Actually, quite too often its the opposite. God allows us to be in certain places in our lives at certain times to grow our faith and trust in Him which will bring us closer to Him. He wants a relationship with everybody. I cant tell you how many times I have been literally walking into a certain situation and before i go in, I pray to my Lord that I will have favor and that His will be done in this situation and come out on top. whether somebody wants to call that luck, coincidence or whatever, i believe my God provided for me as he does with anyone else who places there trust in Him and Him alone.

I do not know why babies starve in Africa, or why certain things happen. I was 9 when my father passed away. To this day I do not know why that happened, but it has lead me to sooooo many awesome opportunities. because of his death, I moved to Houston which is where I met my future wife, school, awesome job opp., friends that i wouldnt replace with anyone else with...etc. THats just one example. I realized I am blessed and I give my thanks to my Lord.
 
halfhuman said:
God couldn't think of another way to have a relationship with us? He's supposedly perfect so why so many people are starving and dying so young from diseases and all sorts of things? If God new we was capable of all that than he could've tweaked us and make us better. Free will doesn't exist. He made us knowing what we capable of doing. I saw a video here giving an example. If you made a robot a new it was capable of ruining your lab when done is that part your fault? For knowing it was a chance it will?
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Man, I'm not an expert here but it sounds like you are bitter towards God. I wouldn't dare argue with someone bitter at God. You'll just have to answer to that in the end. Besides, the unbelieving won't be convinced by explanations alone anyways. How could you? The world is very effective at covering up the reality that we've been torn from a loving God, and ever since man has attempted to fill this void with earthly treasures. In that attempt, much pain has been experienced. This is the pain of imperfection, which was something we chose and still choose every single day - even the Christians often times choose this painful way over God's way. This is why we need Christ in the first place. And I'm not necessarily saying that you are or are not this or that, but it does take a prideful heart to question/rebuke something you do not fully understand. It's not that God's way is flawed, but that our way is flawed.

But you'll be convinced by something entirely different than a good argument. It's it the famous words of Jesus saying: "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. [SUP]35 [/SUP]By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

I'd love to respond to the initial post you made, but I would prefer to in PM only since we'd be severely distracted by everyone else.
 
Dafuq?!?

Last night I derail the thread into talks about stars and aliens and was so proud of everyone and their interest in science. I go to sleep and 12 hours later the thread is on God and religion..

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fueledpassion said:
Man, I'm not an expert here but it sounds like you are bitter towards God. I wouldn't dare argue with someone bitter at God. You'll just have to answer to that in the end. Besides, the unbelieving won't be convinced by explanations alone anyways. How could you? The world is very effective at covering up the reality that we've been torn from a loving God, and ever since man has attempted to fill this void with earthly treasures. In that attempt, much pain has been experienced. This is the pain of imperfection, which was something we chose and still choose every single day - even the Christians often times choose this painful way over God's way. This is why we need Christ in the first place. And I'm not necessarily saying that you are or are not this or that, but it does take a prideful heart to question/rebuke something you do not fully understand. It's not that God's way is flawed, but that our way is flawed.

But you'll be convinced by something entirely different than a good argument. It's it the famous words of Jesus saying: "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. [SUP]35 [/SUP]By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

I'd love to respond to the initial post you made, but I would prefer to in PM only since we'd be severely distracted by everyone else.
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Very very well said.
 
fueledpassion said:
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. [SUP]35 [/SUP]By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
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so, you lovingly called me a fanboy huh? :D

totally playing around man, no worries








thread cliffs:
*PP was shut down after raid by FDA (or was it?)
*AF had something to do with it (or did they?)
*the feds send no warning letters (or do they?)
*our FDA and by extension entire government is corrupt like drug cartels
*snag is not condescending (or is he?)
*aliens exist (or are we really the aliens?)
*the sun is a medium-sized star (or is it?)
*god is real (or is he?)
*the words "danged" and "pandemic" appear, as does a cs lewis quote
*matt porter and h2s make rare appearances on AM, and h2s gets labeled "crunchy"


did i miss anything?
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
so, you lovingly called me a fanboy huh? :D

totally playing around man, no worries








thread cliffs:
*PP was shut down after raid by FDA (or was it?)
*AF had something to do with it (or did they?)
*the feds send no warning letters (or do they?)
*our FDA and by extension entire government is corrupt like drug cartels
*snag is not condescending (or is he?)
*aliens exist (or are we really the aliens?)
*the sun is a medium-sized star (or is it?)
*god is real (or is he?)
*matt porter and h2s make rare appearances on AM, and h2s gets labeled "crunchy"


did i miss anything?
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yeah you did. the argument between crunchy vs soggy hahaha
 
lets get back to PP and AF. has anybody on here used PP and AF before so we can compare? ive done PP and my friends have done AF so its hard to compare. btw, i want real accounts to reply to this lol
 
MITHRA
HORAS
ATTIS
KRISHNA
DIONYSUS
JESUS

all born on the 25th, star in the east,born of a virgin, performed miracles, and were resurrected 3days after dying......to note all are BC besides christ........and there are also many others

edit - didnt see above, crossed i guess
 
sking6464 said:
MITHRA
HORAS
ATTIS
KRISHNA
DIONYSUS
JESUS

all born on the 25th, star in the east,born of a virgin, performed miracles, and were resurrected 3days after dying......to note all are BC besides christ........and there are also many others

edit - didnt see above, crossed i guess
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Where's AE14

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So I think I have it figured out.

PP was raided by underwater aliens from a medium-sized star made of protein from the gods who came from dirt.

Am I close?
 
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