Possible fake Havoc? PCT still?

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I'm on week 3 of a suposed bottle of rpn havoc and haven't felt anything at all. No strength or weight increases that I can attribute to the havoc.

The bottle was sealed when I bought it but I couln't find an experation date.

Dosage: Been on 30mg since Wed of first week and just bumped to 40mg this past Tues.

Only possible side I got was a super dry nose but that went away in a few days. Pretty much I'm real disapointed and am gathering supplies for a real aas cycle. I want to start the cycle soon and kick start with mdrol. I don't feel shut down and don't really want to take my nolva for 4 weeks for nothing. I was thinking maybe 2 weeks off and only use pct if needed but if all is good start the aas cycle in May.

Any opinions on this?
 
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Did you just start week 3?

If so, 30mg of Epi will not manifest by week 3. Go until week 4 or 6.
 

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Epi is a hit or miss ,a lot of people respond and others dont!!
 

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This is day 5 of week 3. I only have enough for 4 weeks.

If nothing happens at the end of week 4 should I even bother with PCT? I have some pcs and activate extreme I could use instead on my nolva just in case..but if people don't respond does that mean my body is just not even letting it shut me down?
 

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OP, did you get this Havoc on ebay..I've actually got a pretty similar story to you.
 
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OP, did you get this Havoc on ebay..I've actually got a pretty similar story to you.
What a coincidence, A buddy of mine got a bottle off ebay of RPN HAVOC , and didnt get **** for results was sealed and all. Was going for 32.99 per bottle
 
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Some ebayer might be bootleggin' the sh!t. Open the bottles and replace with sugar caps or any other compound then resealing?!
 

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ha. ya dont say? some sorta special 48-72 hr "one time only sale"? the guy said he'd give me my money back..but what is so frustrating (besides it totally ****ed up my summer recomp) is that SOO many people give that guy positive feed back??

and he responds to me with "epi is hit or miss. do you know how impossible it is to find a pill making, bottle sealing machine to create these fake pills?" hey buddy, you ever watch Catch Me If You Can?! hear of counterfeit bills?! i'm wondering if the OP ran into the same issue. I'm currently on "week 2" of this "cycle" and when I noticed I was looking a little pudgy, I opened up a pill, and downed it. Tasted like nothing special. Kinda like a cotton candy gum base with no taste. Does anyone know if that's normal?
 
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How do you reseal a bottle properly? Unless youre running some epic drug operation... I don't think its that possible. I'd love to be proven wrong tho.

edit: also, epi is hit or miss. i've attempted to run it twice, from different brands, bought legitimately, and nothing really. just got some acne haha. woo.
 
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Bro, why dont you guys compare the pills and see if they match.

Other then that, I used Epi-Strong in place of Halo and the epi kicked some major azz..I ran it at 30 mg for 4 weeks..worked nice..

Sounds like you got screw*d
 

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What a coincidence, A buddy of mine got a bottle off ebay of RPN HAVOC , and didnt get **** for results was sealed and all. Was going for 32.99 per bottle
what was his cycle like? 30/30/30/30 or what?

also, was this his first time with running any type of Epi product?
 

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Why would anyone by a legal steroid like epistane from ebay?
cuz that's where I first started buying PH products, and have just been accustomed to going back there. After seeing all of the legitimate sites where you can buy them and hopefully have some sort of guarantee, this last purchase will be my last PH purchase from ebay.

not to mention, it was REAL cheap :yup:
 
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i am doing rpn havoc and stanodrol.now coming up to my 4th week.havent seen much difference may be a little tighter when working out.so i added 10mg of methyl-s which i had over from another cycle a week ago and slowly seeing gains.had no side effects so far.i think some people dont respond to havoc as well as other people do.been running the havoc at 40mg and the stano at 600mg think it has made a difference since i added the small dose of methyl-s (s drol clone) still no shut down as well.i no my liver will take a beating but if i dident add the methyl-s dont think i would of seen any gains at all.
 

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There is no evidence of counterfeit of these products.
 

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i am doing rpn havoc and stanodrol.now coming up to my 4th week.havent seen much difference may be a little tighter when working out.so i added 10mg of methyl-s which i had over from another cycle a week ago and slowly seeing gains.had no side effects so far.i think some people dont respond to havoc as well as other people do.been running the havoc at 40mg and the stano at 600mg think it has made a difference since i added the small dose of methyl-s (s drol clone) still no shut down as well.i no my liver will take a beating but if i dident add the methyl-s dont think i would of seen any gains at all.
did you get ur havoc off ebay? is this ur first havoc cycle?
 

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Nope I got my havoc from amazon..not much better. This is my last week so im going to do 50mg till friday and if I dont get any sides ill just wait 2 weeks with pct on hand if needed prob not and start a test cycle with mdrol kickstart in May.
 

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so is it ur first epistane related cycle? im asking cuz i was doin 30mg for the first 19 days, thought my stuff was fake, and then was told that a tolerance could have been developed from two previous cycles of the same chemical. immediately bumped up to 40 and will do 50 shortly afterwards.

this sounds gay, but have u noticed any other sides like ur balls gettin a lil bit smaller?
 
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Last summer I was working out w/ 2 brothers who both bought Epi form the same company. I cant remember the brand name now, but it worked great for one, the other didnt feel crap. So its definitely hit or miss.

Also, you cant run Epi two weeks and say "I dont feel anything so it must be counterfeit." Do you know how much it would cost to buy the machines needed to make drug seals and reseal bottles properly? Not to mention the permits youd probably need to have to buy the machines form the manufacturer? It would not be worth it to sell something like Epi, which is legal, sells for $35ish a bottle, and anybody with any sense would just buy from a reputable company. Now, if youre talking Phera or something like that, maybe..just maybe..the money would be there to make a profit.

How about this... you're brother #2, you dont respond to Epi.. form all the posts Ive read over the past few years, im buessing 30%.. one out of three.. dont respond to Epi. Or, you dont respond to 30mg..and need something closer to 50.
 

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Last summer I was working out w/ 2 brothers who both bought Epi form the same company. I cant remember the brand name now, but it worked great for one, the other didnt feel crap. So its definitely hit or miss.

Also, you cant run Epi two weeks and say "I dont feel anything so it must be counterfeit." Do you know how much it would cost to buy the machines needed to make drug seals and reseal bottles properly? Not to mention the permits youd probably need to have to buy the machines form the manufacturer? It would not be worth it to sell something like Epi, which is legal, sells for $35ish a bottle, and anybody with any sense would just buy from a reputable company. Now, if youre talking Phera or something like that, maybe..just maybe..the money would be there to make a profit.

How about this... you're brother #2, you dont respond to Epi.. form all the posts Ive read over the past few years, im buessing 30%.. one out of three.. dont respond to Epi. Or, you dont respond to 30mg..and need something closer to 50.
Agreed. I just read a Post by an experienced guy who said that, in his opinion, most of the "non-responders" had underdosed.
 

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not sure if this counts for anything, but i finished my sd/epi bridge a few weeks ago and i started the epi at 36 mg and didnt feel too much. so the next week i bumped it to 54 (18mg pills) and i noticed a world of difference as far as pumps and endurance. strength kept coming on too after the bump in dose
 
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This is day 5 of week 3. I only have enough for 4 weeks.

If nothing happens at the end of week 4 should I even bother with PCT? I have some pcs and activate extreme I could use instead on my nolva just in case..but if people don't respond does that mean my body is just not even letting it shut me down?
get bloodwork done before you start pct, if your good, it was bunk and skip pct.
 
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Do you know how much it would cost to buy the machines needed to make drug seals and reseal bottles properly? Not to mention the permits youd probably need to have to buy the machines form the manufacturer?
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It doesn't cost much at all to purchase the bottle seals, shrink wrap and other times to bottle supplements. No machines required unless your trying to turn out a mass quantity where automation pays. Not saying this stuff is bunk or not but making your own bottles just takes a few $$ and a little time.

http://www.containerandpackaging.com/itemtype.asp

As others have stated, when it comes to this stuff I'd only purchase from a reputable source.
 
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It doesn't cost much at all to purchase the bottle seals, shrink wrap and other times to bottle supplements. No machines required unless your trying to turn out a mass quantity where automation pays. Not saying this stuff is bunk or not but making your own bottles just takes a few $$ and a little time.

http://www.containerandpackaging.com/itemtype.asp

As others have stated, when it comes to this stuff I'd only purchase from a reputable source.
That's actually pretty scary to think it's that simple. They sell the bottles and the shrink bands so you could seal it up and make it look factory! I think everyone should think twice about ordering any type of pills from fleabay.
 

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I just ended my cycle of RPN havoc and dosed it 30mg for 3 weeks (no results) so then 40mg on the 4 week. NO POSITIVE EFFECTS WHAT SO EVER. No pumps, acne, muscle gain-NOTHING! This was my first pro hormone cycle ever by the way (195 lbs 6'3)
 
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Ricky was one of the main buyers that picked up the last of the stock RPN had a while back (the returned stock from Nutra and BB.com when they discontinued).
 
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now starting my 6th week on rpn havoc at 40mg and stano 600mg stack and i havent seen no gains at all just a little tighter when working out.done other cycles in the past and this has got to be the worst i have done.not inpressed at all.the only thing i got from this cycle is big time lethargy at beginning of week 5.
 

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I'll say it again:

There is no evidence of counterfeit of these products.
 

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Furthermore, I don't see the need to publish anyone's name in a public Forum such as this. In fact, I don't think anyone should be doing it (publishing anyone's name publicly).
 

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Furthermore, I don't see the need to publish anyone's name in a public Forum such as this. In fact, I don't think anyone should be doing it (publishing anyone's name publicly).
^^^Agreed. One of these name's is a very reputable seller around the boards. You are tarnishing a well respected reputation with these allegations.
 

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I just ended my cycle of RPN havoc and dosed it 30mg for 3 weeks (no results) so then 40mg on the 4 week. NO POSITIVE EFFECTS WHAT SO EVER. No pumps, acne, muscle gain-NOTHING! This was my first pro hormone cycle ever by the way (195 lbs 6'3) so I started to get REALLY suspicious. I bought 2 bottles a few months ago off EBAY.
Got an email back from the seller, he was more than willing to work with me. So i thank him for that.
 
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i wouldent say the havoc was bunk just not what i expected.i am looking alot leaner and pumped but havent seen no strength gains or weight increase.i thought h drol was alot better.i put on 16lbs with the h drol but that was after a strict cutting cycle.
 
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i wouldent say the havoc was bunk just not what i expected.i am looking alot leaner and pumped but havent seen no strength gains or weight increase.i thought h drol was alot better.i put on 16lbs with the h drol but that was after a strict cutting cycle.
There are a lot of confounding factors, but the fact is that some react best on a cutting cycle rather than a bulk.
 

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I plan on giving h-drol a try in a few months. Hopefully it will work better then havoc. Looks like it was a miss for me.
 
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i just finished my cycle a few days short of 6th week.now on pct second day and feel alot better already.just had that really feel like **** feeling while on havoc and run down after the 4th week.just back from gym and my strength seemed to be up more now then when i was on cycle.must be because when i was on cycle i felt like ****.dont think the havoc agreed with me.felt the same as this in the past when i done a m.1.t cycle.not saying its the same for everybody tho.just not for me.i will be trying something different in 12 to 16 weeks time.i would of forgotten about this cycle by then.all in all looking leaner and fuller but weight still the same around 197lbs.if i can look like the way i do through pct then i will be happy with the results.
 

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When I order Prohormones the day they arive I always call the company that makes them. I break the seal then discuss the smell, shape, size, and Color of capsule and the blend inside. It makes me feel more confident I have the right stuff.
 

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Ricky was one of the main buyers that picked up the last of the stock RPN had a while back (the returned stock from Nutra and BB.com when they discontinued).
Thanks. I'm still getting questions about this being fake from people the saw these threads so hopefully this straightens everything up.

Ricky
 

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I just finished a 5 week cycle of 30mg havoc and got absolutely no results (except slight ball pain at the end of week 5). I bought it from supplementwarehouse.com. I was also working with Layne Norton during this time (3 month diet and workout plan. I started the Havoc at the end of Layne's 3 month plan and I just continued dieting with his recommendations.

I have done PH's in the past and have gotten great results but I have never tried to cut using one. I got no sides other than slight ball pain which is what I got on my last cycle of dymethazine. Currently I'm two weeks into my PCT and I don't even know if I'll continue it either. As of now i'm following the recommendations of OTCpct.com and I feel these PCT's are giving my a bigger boost than havoc, my libido is way higher than its ever been and I feel stronger.
 
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mizzuman's (ebay name) Havoc is not counterfeit.. its legit - lab confirmed.
 

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I've been havin the same questions bout a bottle of havoc i bought off somebody from amazon.. the bottle looks like it has an awkward size compared to pictures i've seen. How could I test to see if its legit aside from just using it? Break open a capsule and taste, maybe?


Sorry if im hijackin the thread OP..
 

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mizzuman's (ebay name) Havoc is not counterfeit.. its legit - lab confirmed.
And that's the only way to know for sure. You can't tell jack by tasting or smelling for 10MG of an active compound mixed in with 600MG of filler LOL.

Best of luck with the run.
 
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I've been havin the same questions bout a bottle of havoc i bought off somebody from amazon.. the bottle looks like it has an awkward size compared to pictures i've seen. How could I test to see if its legit aside from just using it? Break open a capsule and taste, maybe?


Sorry if im hijackin the thread OP..
I sent mine out to a lab. I sent him 2 pills each from 2 bottles. took about week and I cant disclose the lab as my boi not supposed to do this kinda stuff but he txted me "gtg - b careful" so I know the bottles I got are good.
 

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Ahh I see.. I shined a light on the label on my bottle and see that there is a faded expiration date, so I'm assuming its legit.. did some research on the seller, and he sells a LOT of PH products.. so im just gonna stick with what I got.

Good luck with your run!
 

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25.99 on ebay. Id like post the link but cant. Got them, smell like sulfer


REAL? if not its dead on. Definitely want to bring this too the masses

sold by: Jongator
store: Getjackedsupplements
 

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I asked, this was the reply

Dear whitsittkillz,

Hello, I talked to the distributor and he said that even though RPN officially stopped producing these on a large scale back in 2013, he said that they came out with other batches of EPI when word hit the street about the ban. He said that they are guaranteed EPI and that they are not fakes...a lot of these PH companies started pumping out these products towards the end right before the ban, so that they could exhaust their supply of ingredients and didn't get stuck with a huge loss. I've had nothing but positive reviews and I've had friends who've taken these bottles and said that the product is legit EPI. I'm going to try these myself, I'm just waiting for my post cycle to arrive. Here's some exact pics of the bottle below, thx

Is this the real havoc RPN? I just wish to confirm, the bottle seems odd

- jongator
 
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I asked, this was the reply

Dear whitsittkillz,

Hello, I talked to the distributor and he said that even though RPN officially stopped producing these on a large scale back in 2013, he said that they came out with other batches of EPI when word hit the street about the ban. He said that they are guaranteed EPI and that they are not fakes...a lot of these PH companies started pumping out these products towards the end right before the ban, so that they could exhaust their supply of ingredients and didn't get stuck with a huge loss. I've had nothing but positive reviews and I've had friends who've taken these bottles and said that the product is legit EPI. I'm going to try these myself, I'm just waiting for my post cycle to arrive. Here's some exact pics of the bottle below, thx

Is this the real havoc RPN? I just wish to confirm, the bottle seems odd

- jongator
I asked him the same thing about two months ago. He was waiting for his post cycle to arrive back then too.

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Dear **********,

Hello, I have some where the sticker on the bottom says a few different dates in 2013 and 2014. I talked to the distributor and he said that even though RPN officially stopped producing these on a large scale back in 2013, he said that they came out with other batches of EPI when word hit the street about the ban. He said that they are guaranteed EPI and that they are not fakes...a lot of these PH companies started pumping out these products towards the end right before the ban, so that they could exhaust their supply of ingredients and didn't get stuck with a huge loss. I've had nothing but positive reviews and I've had friends who've taken these bottles and said that the product is legit EPI. I'm going to try these myself, I'm just waiting for my post cycle to arrive.Thanks!

Is this real Havoc? It's been discontinued for some time.

- jongator
 

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So did you try your or anything to know if it real
 
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I didn't buy it. I went with a different product. That message was January 20th. His response to me seemed too eager to prove that they are legit. I can't really describe what I mean but it was just too... sketchy.
 

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