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PES's New Pre Workout discussion Enhanced V2!?

Auslifter

Auslifter

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So its well known now that there is a new Pre workout on the horizon from PES. lets hear some info, and speculate on what it could be. and what you personally would like to see. and do you think it will hold its ground once DS release Frenzy?

hoping to see something innovative but never before done.

personally would like to see these in it

My Take Enhnaced V2

(1 scoop)

Caffeine Anhydrous - 125mg
New Stimulant - (Replacing the Johimbe bark extract)
CDP Citicoline - (Replacing the choline bitartrate)
Higenamine HCL
DL-Phenylethylamine
-
L-Citrulline - 1.5g
Nitrates
Agmatine - 500mg
-
Amentoflavone - 25mg
Betaine Anhydrous - 1.5g
C.O.P - 1g
-
Vit C (Absorib Acid)
Calcium Citrate
 
Unless they license the Nitrates, I doubt they will be included. That's already a pricey Pre you have listed. I doubt but wont rule out Phenylethylamine's inclusion but would be surprised to see it included.

My guess is that if they do have nitrates, the overall product formula will be smaller to account for the extra cost.

Amentoflavone would be nice in a pre, but they have Norco for that.

Knowing PES it will be a nice formula with 1 or 2 new inclusions no one has ever heard of. In before Pennantia baylisiana extarct sourced from the middle of nowhere.
 
We can pretty much count amp out as the new stimulant...as far as recent talks have been on the ingredient. Interested to see what they bring to the table and I know it's gonna be good :) I could never fully handle enhanced at two scoops. Powerful stuff
 
ericool007 said:
actually i really like your blend and would buy it in a heartbeat :cheers:
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:cheers:


Afi140 said:
We can pretty much count amp out as the new stimulant...as far as recent talks have been on the ingredient. Interested to see what they bring to the table and I know it's gonna be good :) I could never fully handle enhanced at two scoops. Powerful stuff
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yeah AMP just is something you can enjoy once in a blue moon lol. nice for studying maybe haha, did like evol though and the AMP citrate caps i have used it just fades after 3 days straight use.
 
Auslifter said:
:cheers: yeah AMP just is something you can enjoy once in a blue moon lol. nice for studying maybe haha, did like evol though and the AMP citrate caps i have used it just fades after 3 days straight use.
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Yeah I still love my evol but I always try and mix things up
 
Most of what you're wanting is already in Katana, so just buy that once it's re-released.

Higenamine is useless... wish companies would stop using it.

I don't see PES licensing the nitrates from RK so don't get your hopes up for that.

Still interested to see what PES comes up with.
 
xLGx said:
Most of what you're wanting is already in Katana, so just buy that once it's re-released.

Higenamine is useless... wish companies would stop using it.

I don't see PES licensing the nitrates from RK so don't get your hopes up for that.

Still interested to see what PES comes up with.
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We licensed them from RK for the original enhanced so I wouldn't speak too soon ;)

OP, you have some hits and some misses. I'll comment on the sure misses: Phenylethylamine + AMP (I know you didn't mention this one). The rest, well, you'll have to wait and see
 
Enhanced had the sweet leucine nitrate so it seems likely it will be present again considering those sick pumps.

Gonna guess amentoflavone, yohimbine, caffeine (i'm a wizard), agamatine.
 
Notes:
- Citicholine was in the first formula
- We licenced nitrates previously
- We know the pharmacokinetic data on higenamine

Despite it's short HL, we ran beta tests of higenamine (look up PES beta stim) and feedback from customers was overwhelmingly positive. People like the way it feels. Find a better, naturally occurring beta agonist with compliance data and we will use that instead lol.
 
A quick half-life in plasma isn't even necessarily a bad thing as far as stimulants are concerned. I work out in the evenings, pick me up and let me down fast.

Higenamine showed a very distinct and significant split into two bioavailability groups in both rabbit and rodent (one relatively high, one very very low). I feel like figuring out the cause of that and making people aware of it would probably clear up some people's expectations/disappointment with higenamine.
 
I like some of the directions you took with this. ;)
 
xLGx said:
Most of what you're wanting is already in Katana, so just buy that once it's re-released.Higenamine is useless... wish companies would stop using it.I don't see PES licensing the nitrates from RK so don't get your hopes up for that.Still interested to see what PES comes up with.
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Higenamine is a good ingredient and effective IMO. My personal problem with it is depending on how my diet is and how my gut is feeling, it could give me serious sharts sometimes (I'm guessing it has been the higenamine since the things that usually could give me the sharts all have higenamine in common).
 
9g sodium bicarbonate?? Lol jk, no flavor profile could ever make that taste delicious
 
mr.cooper69 said:
We licensed them from RK for the original enhanced so I wouldn't speak too soon ;)

OP, you have some hits and some misses. I'll comment on the sure misses: Phenylethylamine + AMP (I know you didn't mention this one). The rest, well, you'll have to wait and see
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lol, I completely forgot Enhanced had leucine nitrate.... doh
 
mr.cooper69 said:
We licensed them from RK for the original enhanced so I wouldn't speak too soon ;)

OP, you have some hits and some misses. I'll comment on the sure misses: Phenylethylamine + AMP (I know you didn't mention this one). The rest, well, you'll have to wait and see
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I actually found a few OG enhanced samples at my job, along with a full bottle of norcodrene and half a tub of PES select cookies n creme. Perks of working at one of the best supp stores
 
My advice is dont make it an ultra-concentrate this time - or even a concerntrate for that matter. Really there have only ever been one or two concentrates that id choose over something with a larger ingredients profile such as SAN Fierce.

Its good to know you are getting enough of quality ingredients that are proven to help-not just a sprinkle. Being innovative is great (and encouraged), but you must also supply enough of the necessary ingredients in one scoop- that makes a great preworkout.

Thats my oppinion anyway.

I'll be interested to see what you guys come up with.
 
Having a small serving size doesn't indicate less than efficacious dosages. It just means we left out things that should be used chronically rather than having an acute benefit, creatine, beta alanine etc.
 
bdcc said:
Having a small serving size doesn't indicate less than efficacious dosages. It just means we left out things that should be used chronically rather than having an acute benefit, creatine, beta alanine etc.
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Honestly, if you guys gave Enhanced the Alphamine treatment (removed the aegeline), I would have been plenty happy with it :D
 
kissdadookie said:
Honestly, if you guys gave Enhanced the Alphamine treatment (removed the aegeline), I would have been plenty happy with it :D
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Enhanced was my favourite all in one workout product. DMAA gave me stronger energy but the crash was brutal. Enhanced gave me strong energy but with zero crash. Most of all, I got to the end of the tub and noticed very little in the way of tolerance compared to DMAA. I was very disappointed to see it go.

It was way too strong for some people though. It was one of those products most people either loved or hated.
 
Missing enhanced like crazy. :(

Definitely excited to try the new formula. Great discussion in here so far. :)
 
hopefully im not breaking any rules here or beating a dead horse...but i too am a huge enhanced fan. amazon seems to carry some stock still... is there any concerns for buying through them? as far as legality, or even it being legit? why is it still available if so many people love it? am i missing something here.. sorry for the ignorance ahead of time, i dont follow these boards as much as i should, although i do lurk a lot to learn.

about to run 2 bottles of xgels/alcar/glycergrow stack. deciding if i want to run my 2x abe with that or later on. itching to have my enhanced fix with that until i buy their next masterpiece.
 
De__eB said:
A quick half-life in plasma isn't even necessarily a bad thing as far as stimulants are concerned. I work out in the evenings, pick me up and let me down fast.

Higenamine showed a very distinct and significant split into two bioavailability groups in both rabbit and rodent (one relatively high, one very very low). I feel like figuring out the cause of that and making people aware of it would probably clear up some people's expectations/disappointment with higenamine.
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I love when people say Higenamine is useless. The less companies that use it the better it is for us

As for the pre...it will be available around late Q2 or Q3 of 2014. I am going to let everyone get tolerant to AMP after 1 dose first, then release
 
Damn and here I was holding off on buying pre's waiting for it. I shall grab a couple. Start up Katana tomorrow
 
squirtguns89 said:
hopefully im not breaking any rules here or beating a dead horse...but i too am a huge enhanced fan. amazon seems to carry some stock still... is there any concerns for buying through them? as far as legality, or even it being legit? why is it still available if so many people love it? am i missing something here.. sorry for the ignorance ahead of time, i dont follow these boards as much as i should, although i do lurk a lot to learn.

about to run 2 bottles of xgels/alcar/glycergrow stack. deciding if i want to run my 2x abe with that or later on. itching to have my enhanced fix with that until i buy their next masterpiece.
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I just bought some hyde with dmaa in it I thought I was goin to be left over stock but the ex date is in 2016 lol I think there still producin it anyways but I was lookin to tryin enhanced too
 
crap, I should have bought og hyde off there, got the new version and its not my favorite. I guess i just dont get how that works, its banned... none of the sites that carry other "questionable" products i buy even carry enhanced.. so why does amazon... am i missing something here..how is it still there? seems like one of those moments where its too good to be true, aka theres a catch.
 
nattydisaster said:
I love when people say Higenamine is useless. The less companies that use it the better it is for us

As for the pre...it will be available around late Q2 or Q3 of 2014. I am going to let everyone get tolerant to AMP after 1 dose first, then release
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I've been using AMP daily for the last 3 weeks and have yet to build a tolerance. I think that statement is being exaggerated a bit
 
Auslifter said:
So its well known now that there is a new Pre workout on the horizon from PES. lets hear some info, and speculate on what it could be. and what you personally would like to see. and do you think it will hold its ground once DS release Frenzy?

hoping to see something innovative but never before done.

personally would like to see these in it

My Take Enhnaced V2

(1 scoop)

Caffeine Anhydrous - 125mg
New Stimulant - (Replacing the Johimbe bark extract)
CDP Citicoline - (Replacing the choline bitartrate)
Higenamine HCL
DL-Phenylethylamine
-
L-Citrulline - 1.5g
Nitrates
Agmatine - 500mg
-
Amentoflavone - 25mg
Betaine Anhydrous - 1.5g
C.O.P - 1g
-
Vit C (Absorib Acid)
Calcium Citrate
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I'd use it :)
 
mw1 said:
I've been using AMP daily for the last 3 weeks and have yet to build a tolerance. I think that statement is being exaggerated a bit
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I'm sure there are a lot of people who wish they had that unique of a brain chemistry. Anything that is acting via a mechanism similar to amphetamines like many of the secondary amines sold on the market undergo a tolerance relatively quickly. It is caused by decreases in post synaptic receptor sensitivity, which will result in a decrease of effectiveness regardless of the pre-synaptic mechanism. So it will be inevitable in most people with normal brain chemistry. Especially with the large doses that people are taking...it will happen fast
 
nattydisaster said:
I'm sure there are a lot of people who wish they had that unique of a brain chemistry. Anything that is acting via a mechanism similar to amphetamines like many of the secondary amines sold on the market undergo a tolerance relatively quickly. It is caused by decreases in post synaptic receptor sensitivity, which will result in a decrease of effectiveness regardless of the pre-synaptic mechanism. So it will be inevitable in most people with normal brain chemistry. Especially with the large doses that people are taking...it will happen fast
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I've just been using 300mgs once a day along with 200mg of caffeine. I fully expected to build up a tolerance the second week but its still been very good..and without a crash like DMAA
 
I would not mind having an all-star rotation of Katana, Enhanced 2, and Focus XT. :beerchug:
 
mw1 said:
I've just been using 300mgs once a day along with 200mg of caffeine. I fully expected to build up a tolerance the second week but its still been very good..and without a crash like DMAA
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Heh, I never did get crashes from DMAA.

I did notice a pretty quick build-up of tolerance with AMP but, not to the point of uselessness. It's certainly one of the better stims on the market now.
 
mw1 said:
I've just been using 300mgs once a day along with 200mg of caffeine. I fully expected to build up a tolerance the second week but its still been very good..and without a crash like DMAA
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I wish I was in the same boat as you lol.

Tried Evol once, wrote a positive review on BB.com following it. Unfortunately it has gone fairly sharply downhill in terms of effects.

I do prefer it to DMAA though. It is nowhere near as aggressive in terms of stimulation but at least there is no crash for me.
 
Expecting big things from our new preworkout!
 
We don't have a specific date for it yet. We need to make sure we are happy with the profile rather than rushing it to market. :)
 
Very interested to see what it'll look like!
 
bdcc said:
We don't have a specific date for it yet. We need to make sure we are happy with the profile rather than rushing it to market. :)
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I bet many people are content with Alphamine pre-workout for now... they can always add in some pump product if that's what they're after.
 
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