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PapaPump's CJC-1295/GHRP-6 6-month Run

Its important for us to remember that these peps will be appreciated in the long term, in the short term, we deal with the sides, GI issues, bloating, lethargy etc.
 
I Just read all the posts..Its Snowing and i cant go anywhere, and im intrigued

As of right now....u weigh 216 what do u think ur BF% is???


After ur Epi, what u plan on doing????


Curious :)
 
UniqueJustin said:
As of right now....u weigh 216 what do u think ur BF% is???


After ur Epi, what u plan on doing????


Curious :)
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It's hard for me to gauge my BF....I'm holding so much damn water. Qualitatively, I'd say I'm about "fat ass" level.

I'm seriously considering S-4. For the near-term, I'm considering if I should run a 4-5 wk full oral or keep the low-dose Epi going (at the end of my 1st week).

I was 218 this Wed., but yesterday I weighed in at 215. I'm hoping cardio + CKD (Cyclic Keto Diet) + GH + T3 + Epi will help me get both sides under control and lean me out. It's def. a juggling act and I'm a bit clumbsy right now, but that's what learning's for. ;)

If you didn't see my photos a couple pages back, here's the link. I'm a bit leaner now I'd say, but still a lot of weight to lose: Invalid Link Removed
 
I'm also thinking of adding frag 176-191 to increase fat burning.

I need to look into how this frag is created (endogenously) and if its production is independent of GH concentration ([GH]).

Comments appreciated.
 
Hey Papa- any advice, ideas etc. that would help me run my first CKD..was going to wait a month or two more, but like you, I'm holdin alot of weight...went from 185 to 218 since I started these peps several months ago...
 
disgraziato said:
Hey Papa- any advice, ideas etc. that would help me run my first CKD..was going to wait a month or two more, but like you, I'm holdin alot of weight...went from 185 to 218 since I started these peps several months ago...
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Well, I eat a lot of nuts (almonds, peanuts & peanut butter, cashews, pecans, etc) and turkey, chicken, some fish. Also salads are great as is stir-fry!

Not sure what advice you're lookin' for. I did make an Excel tool (when don't I make Excel tools?!) if you want to putts around w/the calculations a bit. I recommend adding cardio in 3-5x EW.

Attached: CKD Calculator
 

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01/12/2009 (Mon.)

Weight: 219lbs (record weight)
Epistane: still at 10mg M-F; Sat & Sun. OFF

I'm dieting and doing cardio and my weight is going up. I have a hard time believing it's the Epi working already, especially at only 10mg. Not sure what to think at this point. I'll just keep chuggin' along w/CKD, cardio, and lifting.
 
I have moved the convo related to suppressed libido, prolactin, and cortisol to my thread. Below is commentary I made in another thread:

low cortisol can cause low test, decreased libido, ED, etc.

This thread here talks about cortisol and libido: Invalid Link Removed

I find Prolactin as a more plausible cause for my suppressed libido. Cabergoline (Dostinex), as I have read, is great for reducing Prolactin levels.

Ultimately, I cannot tell whether it's Cortisol (low or high) or Prolactin (high), or whether or not it's either of them that's causing my libidio issues.



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I have an appt. w/my GP doc this Friday. I'd like to get my test levels checked and hopefully get a urinalysis and a general chemistry panel taken.

I am on Epi...10mg ED, M-F, with Sat & Sun OFF; 100mcg CJC + 300mcg GHRP ED; T3 25mcg ED. Would you guys recommend that I continue with my research and get some testing done or stop everything prior to see the Doc? Looking for some logic here...thanks fellaz! :)
 
Do you have a baseline test before you started these peps? If not, stay on because stopping now, the peps will still be impacting your levels by Friday....just try and get a follow up test sometime down the road after having ceased peptide use for at least 3 weeks.....
 
disgraziato said:
Do you have a baseline test before you started these peps? If not, stay on because stopping now, the peps will still be impacting your levels by Friday....just try and get a follow up test sometime down the road after having ceased peptide use for at least 3 weeks.....
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No baseline unfortunately. And I totally agree with what you said! :) Thanks dis!
 
I would probably stop everything prior to testing, but since it is so close I don't know if it would make much of a difference. Hell, maybe stay on everything and do the tests so we can see how it is affecting your levels.
 
Papa....def. let us know how your test comes back.....we're on almost identical protocols....it would give me a good idea of where I'm at.
 
01/16/2009 (Fri.) TGIF!

Saw the doc today. I did a urinalysis and a blood draw. He's going to do some tests for my nephrologist (I have an upcoming appt. to assess how my proteinuria is coming along) so I'll get some data from the urine test. I'm also getting tested for test levels. :)

I ordered some P-5-P and I'll prob. start that early next week (being delivered as we speak). I wanted to get some 1-carboy but it was sold out at NP.

Why 5-p-5? I want to see if it'll help w/libido as I may have elevated prolactin. Unfortunately, I did not ask for this nor cortisol to be tested as it'd be impossible to give a reason for this that wouldn't invoke physician eyebrow-raising.

If I don't get the data I'm looking for, I can always visit an independent lab.

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Ok, I'm SO sick of this weather here in the Midwest! It is absolutely hideous outside. -41 degrees (F) windchills for days! More snow coming too. I really need to relocate to a milder climate.
 
Cordwood said:
papa, what is your current dosing routine? I think I'm ready to make and order and get going on this.
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CJC-1295 (possibly AKA GRF(1-29)) 100mcg 3x ED
GHRP-6 300mcg 3x ED
T3 25mcg ED
Epistane 10mg M-F; Sat & Sun. OFF
And a slew of accessory supplements

If you haven't read my log, you might want to read it. You may come across sides (you prob. will) and if anyone has experienced sides, it's me. Sides and remedies for sides are discussed in my thread. -FYI-

Good luck Dood.
 
thanks for the update. I'll take a read back through your whole log. I was thinking of running 100mcg mod GRF(1-29) 2x per day and 100mcg GHRP-6 2x per day (both upon waking and pre-bed). That's mostly due to keeping cost down. I question if it'll be enough to have any value.

what size pins are you using, and what sites are you rotating through?
 
Well, slinpins are the way to go...29-31 ga. 0.5CC for SQ. The larger the ga. the better, IMO. Rotate abs/quads (quads as needed).
 
Dude I just checked the boxes on my test form before I go in to get the blood drawn. My doctor was pissed but **** him. I thought I had elevated prolactin levels about 2 years ago and I did. I was at the high end of the cart, maybe even over.

He was real pissed at me and asked me why I did it, I just told him "Well doc, I knew you wouldnt so I had to.'" He laughed and I havent done it again but I just got a new doctor and have a physical next month and I WILL do it again and probably get a pissed off doctor but I dont care. Your health insurence should cover it the first time you check the box on your own so If your feeling crazy, go for it.
 
Distilled Water said:
Dude I just checked the boxes on my test form before I go in to get the blood drawn. My doctor was pissed but **** him. I thought I had elevated prolactin levels about 2 years ago and I did. I was at the high end of the cart, maybe even over.

He was real pissed at me and asked me why I did it, I just told him "Well doc, I knew you wouldnt so I had to.'" He laughed and I havent done it again but I just got a new doctor and have a physical next month and I WILL do it again and probably get a pissed off doctor but I dont care. Your health insurence should cover it the first time you check the box on your own so If your feeling crazy, go for it.
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LOL, that's funny sh!t man. Well, I don't get a form...the Dr. basically fills some stuff in on his computer and takes off, then a nurse comes in and gives me a piss jar and I head to the restroom. So I don't even get the opportunity to check any boxes (not even see a sheet).

No worries on the prolactin. I'll dose p-5-p for a bit and see if my wood returns. Interestingly, these last couple of mornings I've had morning wood. Usually it's annoying, but WOW, was I glad to see it these last couple of days! The woman is definitely needing some love, that's for sure. G-damn she looks good in bed, but I just lack that....motivation to get on it. This is very unlike me.....very. I'll get this squared away...:)
 
good to hear that there are some movements downthere lol

hope it gets better.

however do you think epistane + high prolactin is worsening your situation?

your endo test is probably low due to epistane and probably your current adrogens in your system is predominantly epistane. I dont think epi has the same effect as regular test, so maybe add dermacrine or some sort along with p5p? sounds like you are going legal route so i wont suggest anything else.


DW, thats a ballsy move, i think its cool lol
 
DW that's awesome. **** the testosterone police lol. Good for you for gettin it done.

Hey papa, good to hear you are starting to get re-acquainted with an old friend.
 
THE DATA'S IN!

01/19/2009 (Mon.)

Here are some lab results from last Friday. I was in a fasting state.

Analyte Reference Range

Glucose: 94 74-100 mg/dL
Urea Nitrogen: 15 8-20 mg/dL
Creatinine: 1.02 0.66-1.25 mg/dL
GFR NON AFRICAN: Can't tell (awating Dr's interpretation)
Calcium: 9.9 8.4-10.0 mg/dL
Sodium: 144 133-144 mmol/L
Potassium: 4.3 3.5-5.0 mmol/L
Chloride: 102 98-106 mmol/L
Total CO2: 30 21-30 mmol/L
Testosterone (total): 250 240-950
Urine Appearance: Clear
Urine Color: Yellow
Urine Specific Gravity: 1.010 1.005-1.035
Urine PH: 7.0 5.0-9.0
Urine Total Protein: NEG Low: <30 mg/dLUrine Glucose: NEG
Urine Ketones: NEG
Urine Bilirubin: NEG
Urine Blood: NEG
Nitrites: NEG
Urobilinogen: 0.2 0.1-1.0 EU/dL
Leukocyte Esterase: NEG
Urine Protein: 6 1-14 mg/dL
Creatinine, Urine: 92.3 No reference range given (pending Dr's interpretation)
UP/UCRE Ratio: 0.065 Low: <0.166



WHEN IN THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO GET A WYSIWYG EDITOR FOR THIS FORUM?!!!!!!!!
 
papapumpsd said:
GFR NON AFRICAN: Can't tell (awating Dr's interpretation)
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Why the h@ll did they test to see if your girlfriend was non-african?

If you can't tell then just ask her bro. No need to wait for what the doctor says. :reporter:

So the testosterone is low thanks to the Epi I assume.
 
datBtrue said:
Why the h@ll did they test to see if your girlfriend was non-african?

If you can't tell then just ask her bro. No need to wait for what the doctor says. :reporter:

So the testosterone is low thanks to the Epi I assume.
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:lol: My g/f's not african. I have horrible vision, but not that bad! ;)

Why do you assume the epi is the cause of my low tes? I've only been on it for prob. a bit less than 2 weeks and I've only been on 10mg which is considered a baby dose. Also, I've only been on M-F.

I've had these libido issues even before the epistane (edited: changed "test" to "epistane") Dat.

My nurse called me back with the doc's comments. Doc wants me in for more tests: total & free test, LH, FSH, cortisol, thyroid, and one or two others I can't recall. He said my total test level is abnormal for a dood my age. Not a surprising comment.

I'm getting off the epi starting now. I think I am also going to hop off the peps. for at least a week as I want to give my body some time to "equilibrate" before I go in for additional tests.

So, in a nutshell, I am getting off epi and peps. and will wait at least a week before follow-up testing.

I'll be honest.....my sex life and gym life have been suffering. I'm lethargic and unmotivated in the gym (and bedroom). These two are more important than wishful muscle gains and fat loss.

Time to re-evaluate things. I'll post my follow-up results when I get them.

Time for some Talapia and veggies! :)
 
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Hey Papa, can you recall if your energy dropped noticeably AFTER you started your CKD...I started a week ago and holy mackeral my energy is in the sh!tter....I know it's supposed to come back after your body adjusts to using other sources for fuel besides the carbs.
 
papapumpsd said:
Why do you assume the epi is the cause of my low tes?
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You're right I shouldn't assume.

Its good for you to stop everything and then be tested.

I'm not making light of your situation at all...I'm concerned. But I feel that if you stop everything you'll be able to find an answer to your problems, with your doctor, bloodwork and a little know how.

You may be super sensitive to changes in all sorts of hormonal levels. There is nothing wrong with being natural. You have plenty of size so that when you get a little leaner you'll look great. You have been miserable on these peptides but yet you have been soldiering through...

...I think it is time to come off of them and work towards getting a nice hormonal balance.

There are so many cool things you can do with your body that you can't do when you spend all the time trying to gain mass...like yoga, flexibility, balance, Kenpo, circuit training, climbing, etc.

So don't feel bad. Feel good! Check out this smiley, its called bukkake :bukkake:

So I hope soon you'll have more motivation & ability to do this :bukkake:
 
datBtrue said:
You're right I shouldn't assume.

Its good for you to stop everything and then be tested.

I'm not making light of your situation at all...I'm concerned. But I feel that if you stop everything you'll be able to find an answer to your problems, with your doctor, bloodwork and a little know how.

You may be super sensitive to changes in all sorts of hormonal levels. There is nothing wrong with being natural. You have plenty of size so that when you get a little leaner you'll look great. You have been miserable on these peptides but yet you have been soldiering through...

...I think it is time to come off of them and work towards getting a nice hormonal balance.

There are so many cool things you can do with your body that you can't do when you spend all the time trying to gain mass...like yoga, flexibility, balance, Kenpo, circuit training, climbing, etc.

So don't feel bad. Feel good! Check out this smiley, its called bukkake :bukkake:

So I hope soon you'll have more motivation & ability to do this :bukkake:
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Dat, I really appreciate your support. And for those of you keeping up w/my log, just because I've been having issues w/my peptides does not mean that you will too. Everyone is different.

My advice for others is to start your dosing on the low end then work your way up. I know, it sounds elementary, but please don't forget this bit of advice. Don't ramp up too quickly. I think keeping the GHRP-6 dose no more than 100mcg 3x ED. In fact, if I were just starting out on this, I'd start at 50mcg 3x ED. As for the CJC, I might even start with 50mcg 3x ED, then after a few weeks, if all is well, I may bump that to 100mcg 3x ED.

Anyways, I REALLY enjoyed my 2 weeks off from the chems over X-mas break. Me and the lady were having our fun all the time. I MISS THAT! And I didn't feel lethargic and tanked all the time.

Referring back to what Dat said, "You have plenty of size so that when you get a little leaner you'll look great. ", I agree. I am holding outrageous amounts of water and I still look like sh!t even though I've been doing cardio and CKD. Whether CKD was the correct choice of diet w/peps., I'm not too sure yet. My goal is to get into summer condition and right now I don't see the progress that I was expecting. I want to LEAN OUT big time.

I will continue to post my weight and experiences as I come off the chems.

:)
 
papapumpsd said:
Anyways, I REALLY enjoyed my 2 weeks off from the chems over X-mas break.
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That is the most telling statement! We need to do things that don't make us miserable and make us happy.

Sometimes we get in a funk...you invested in peptides...other people are liking them...you feel bad but damn it you're going to see it through...

...thats the wrong way to approach it...because we don't HAVE to do anything.

I appreciate your log papa but it wasn't really needed. The good doctor informed me that he switched his patients over from just Sermorelin to Sermorelin+GHRP-6 using my dosages and recommendations (from my posts) and he is seeing a 1/3 increase in IGF-1 levels.

So there is plenty of objective data out there.

The thing of it is, as we discussed many times, why do people even want to use or increase GH?

By itself it isn't going to build muscle. If you are older (say 40+) it will make you feel better to get back to youthful levels.

But so many people, especially the youngsters believe that because it has the word "growth" in it and because such a big deal was recently made of it in the U.S. it MUST be the secret.

Papa you're not going to miss it. You now know that ten years from now there are tools waiting for you (at much lower doses then you were using) that will help you feel "less old" again.

Of the probably 1500+ messages I have received over the last 8 months the best ones are from the older guys and a gal here and there who now feel great, who feel less old, who have improved memory, improved immune system, more energy, more sexual function and a better quality of life thanks to just a little bit of inexpensive GHRP-6 and a spot of mod GRF(1-29).

Papa I know I don't say it but I think you are a really great guy. The fact that you took the time to understand this stuff and are now willing to talk about it on the forums and correct people's misunderstandings makes you special. Man you learned a lot about how the body works...none of that was wasted time.

It won't be much be longer now for the peptides to stop exerting an effect and for the water to come off and the lethargy to go away... and soon you'll be your old happy self.

It is a real pleasure seeing you around and thank you so much for turning out to be an intelligent, curious, all around great guy. :)
 
Thanks for the kind words Dat. Much appreciated.

I know my log isn't ground breaking science here, but aside from others that read it and extract useful tid bits here and there, I like to keep a log because it "memorializes" my experiences (I use the term memorialize loosely as it's highly delible!).

Even though I'll be taking a break from CJC/GHRP for a while, I will be starting back up on them in the future. I will probably wait though until I have a good AAS cycle to do with them. I know GH alone does not make people into hulks. I went into this fully understanding that I would not put on much muscle. My intentions were to try to add a little bit of lean mass and lean out at the same time. Furthermore, I was (still am) interested in the anti-aging effects and the connective tissue growth effect.

I have my follow-up blood work scheduled for next Thurs. I should have the data from the tests the following Friday. I will post them when I get them :)

Ok fellas, I gotta finish making chicken stir fry!

;)
 
Just a quick note of thanks for your log Papa. Between yours and Dat's wealth of info here, it has been greatly informative to someone like me who has trained naturally for a very long time, and find this new frontier of peptides so interesting due to their possible low adverse sides. I myself did a 3 month run of CJC/GHRP-6 while you were doing yours. I loved my results, aside from some achyness, I felt fine and did exactly what I wanted, put on a few pounds of lean mass and decreased my bodyfat. Having the additional info you were posting during your run was quite helpful. Thanks again and keep posting.
 
Sorry fellas...I JUST spoke w/the Dr. office today. There was one test that was not ran yet....Free Testosterone. I waited TWO frickin' weeks to get that data and today I was told that it wasn't run because there wasn't enough sample! I call B.S.! I think they lost my blood sample...I have so many damn tubes.

Anways, tomorrow I go in to have a chat w/my doc. He's going to discuss my labs and prob. let me know what he can do for me. In all honesty, my libido is coming back on its own and I'm feelin' good so there's nothing he can say to me that will get me all stoked.

I will let you doods know what the verdict is though! :)

NOTE: I spend most of my time at PM now. FYI
 
papapumpsd said:
Sorry fellas...I JUST spoke w/the Dr. office today. There was one test that was not ran yet....Free Testosterone. I waited TWO frickin' weeks to get that data and today I was told that it wasn't run because there wasn't enough sample! I call B.S.! I think they lost my blood sample...I have so many damn tubes.
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Sounds like a good way to get more money .....

In all honesty, my libido is coming back on its own and I'm feelin' good so there's nothing he can say to me that will get me all stoked.
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Good to her about that!
 
papapumpsd said:
Have you noticed any change in sleep behavior? The 1st night I dosed CJC/GHRP I was acting all stupid in my sleep. My g/f was telling me this story and laughing her ass off!

Apparently I shot out of bed late at night and was looking around for a so-called "spider" that was in the bed. Then I sleep-walk around all jacked up.......get my glasses and walk back to my desk.....get my cell phone and use it as a flashlight! LMFAO. I'm all looking around on the bed for this spider (obviously doesn't exist) and my g/f asks me, "What are you looking for?" I just mumble some crap cause I'm not even awake...then I leave the bedroom and go out into the kitchen. We have no idea what I did out there! LOL....I do sleep walk once in a while and I HATE spiders so my mind loves playing tricks on me so I jump out of bed. Now that I'm out of bed, my brain says, "Hey dufus, now that you're up, go get some yummy carbs!". FUQQING HATE when it tricks me. That's what I suspect was going on a couple nights ago. :toofunny:
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I woke up one night, and shot out of bed, turned the light on, and then pulled the covers back ... real carefully ... when questioned by my girlfriend 'what the hell are you doing?' i replied 'theres a big f'n floppin fish in the bed'
:lmao:

glad i'm not the only one. :D
 
papa,

just a little curious why during weeks 9-16 you ramp down your doses of cjc/ghrp I too plan on running these both for 6 months, so I am wondering if I missed something in dat's guide?

thanks
 
Hi im new to this forum

Ive neva used cjc but can get a hold of it
My next cycle will be 750mg test e weeks 1-12
tren 75mg eod wekks 1-6
d bol 50mg ed weeks 1-4
plus pct
could i use cjc1295 in this cycle and if so what dosage would be recomended?
Thanx in advance
 
superjet760 said:
Hi im new to this forum

Ive neva used cjc but can get a hold of it
My next cycle will be 750mg test e weeks 1-12
tren 75mg eod wekks 1-6
d bol 50mg ed weeks 1-4
plus pct
could i use cjc1295 in this cycle and if so what dosage would be recomended?
Thanx in advance
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Use it as specified in Dat thread on the subject. No need for spoon feeding.
 
whytknyt05 said:
What is the title of the thread for Dats Protocal?
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It's not on this board it is an active 50+ page sticky on PM in the Peptide & Growth Factors forum.

To be more specific would violate the rules of this board which I very much happen to agree with.
 
Very good thread and glad to see Dat over here..love the big threat over at the other place...
Thanks,
DaRooster AKA Titan
 
datBtrue said:
It's not on this board it is an active 50+ page sticky on PM in the Peptide & Growth Factors forum.

To be more specific would violate the rules of this board which I very much happen to agree with.
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Seems like they've cut off public access to the threads, you need to register and they seem to be very scrupulous of whom they let join. Ive been denied twice from two separate emails..

I'm wondering what's the lowest dose that can be effectively done of these two peps.. 50mcg 3x every day each should be enough?
 
VERY informative thread!!! Thanks, Papa, Dat, and everyone else...I'll be (carefully!) starting some peptides next month, right around my b-day (August 18).
 
I am thinkin of starting a ghrp and cjc cycle...i wanted some help regarding how much to shoot? when to shoot and if i should watchout for anything. Any help would be appreciated. Thanx
 
pooya1987 said:
I am thinkin of starting a ghrp and cjc cycle...i wanted some help regarding how much to shoot? when to shoot and if i should watchout for anything. Any help would be appreciated. Thanx
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I suggest starting a new thread instead of jumping on PapaPump's log (nice job btw) for further discussions, unless he doesn't mind. He kindly included a calculator in one of the first few posts. Figure out how much you want to shoot per injection, do that say 3x/day, and go from there. Shooting is Subcutaneous, so the usual sites for that. Just watch out for overdosing if you did your calculations wrong, and be patient.
 
Pooya: I suggest that you try answering your own questions. All the info's out there. All you really need to do is read Dat's sticky in the peptides section. Put in a little effort into it.
 
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