Old Fugger Ready to take on all challengers...Transfomation time!!!

DW: You are killing it in here. I still think you are the man to beat. I'm scared to see the results you get once you are on cycle. Its going to be nuts.
 
Legacyfighter said:
DW: You are killing it in here. I still think you are the man to beat. I'm scared to see the results you get once you are on cycle. Its going to be nuts.
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Thanks, yah that's the black box for me.. naturally I would bet to 8-10% body fat at around 210 to 215 using my current methods. I don't know what the cycle will do but I suspect I can do 6-8% and closer to 215 who really knows though. I will just do what I know and let the Gods decide....:mischievous:

Also and more importantly, I am glad people are learning and sharing it this log, such good sportsmanship and we're all going to benefit from this experience.
 
215 at 6% and only 5'11" That will be ridiculous. I'll be happy if i can finish up at 190 @ 5%. I should look pretty good considering i'm only 5'8", but still don't know if it would compare with you.
 
I'm going to change my strategy and go for liposuction, implants and synthrol... :afro:
 
Legacyfighter said:
215 at 6% and only 5'11" That will be ridiculous. I'll be happy if i can finish up at 190 @ 5%. I should look pretty good considering i'm only 5'8", but still don't know if it would compare with you.
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That would be huge believe me, This dude (my mentor) was 5' 8" 173 and he's world class in the Natural world...

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The point is you can go lower than 190 and still look massive when you're 5'8". conditioning first don't worry what you weigh... incidently a guy at 190 and 5% at 5'8" would look bigger than one at 5'11" and 216 at 6%.
 
Milas said:
Here are my "after" pictures...

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Man that's hard to look at, looks like he injected himself with dough!! or marshmellow ... hey he's the stay puft marshmellow dude, he was good in ghostbusters...:mischievous:
 
DreamWeaver said:
I suspect I can do 6-8% and closer to 215 who really knows though. I will just do what I know and let the Gods decide....:mischievous:
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This one has decided, "Thou shalt be ripped." :hammer::box:
 
Yeah I wanna see some crazy conditioning from you too. You can do it. You definitely have all the tools at your disposal right now.
 
speaking of that dude anyone see him make a complete 360 there's a few youtubes on it.very touching stuff.
 
Yesterday's Diet ... squeaky clean..

8am 1/2 cup steel cut oats
2 scoop protein
fish oil 3 grams

10am 2 boiled eggs
2 cups brocolli
1 cup Cauliflower
1 cup green beens
1/2 red or yellow pepper

12pm 8 oz chicken
2 cups brocolli
1 cup Cauliflower
1 cup green beens
1/2 red or yellow pepper
1/cup black beans
3 grams fish oil

230pm 2 boiled eggs

5pm 14 oz Fish
1 cup rice
2 cups brocolli
1 cup Cauliflower

8pm 2 scoop protein
 
Young Gotti said:
hey old fugger....everyone looks awesome, keep killing it and pressing forward
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Hey! how you doin... yah things will progress nicely from here. I am not going to make the same mistakes as last year... time is my only concern...
 
Impressive things going on in here Doug, good luck tonight with the second to last of the 5s. These are fun when you get to the last few just remember form over weight my friend, can't you have getting hurt old fugger!!!!
 
oufinny said:
Impressive things going on in here Doug, good luck tonight with the second to last of the 5s. These are fun when you get to the last few just remember form over weight my friend, can't you have getting hurt old fugger!!!!
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Yah I'll be using my head, actually this is the last, not going to blow a tire now... will get nasty with the Bent over rows though, I gots a strong back! :mischievous:
 
DreamWeaver said:
No I think there is some beneift. I seem to wake up with less bloat around the midsection...



Thanks, I have this under my complete control now, I should have bit the bullet and did this last year, things would have been a lot different. Too bad I don't have 20 weeks this go around....
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Now that is always a good thing.
 
Makes you dream about green poop? :biggthumpup:
 
a night time nutrient repart is supposed to work well, i believe rosie uses them at night and likes it....just be careful about going hypo
 
VolcomX311 said:
You sure have a lot of tricks up your sleeve. I don't even know what night time glycobol would do.....
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It's too enable extra fat burn during sleep,

Milas said:
Makes you dream about green poop? :biggthumpup:
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I've had some funny dreams but....

Young Gotti said:
a night time nutrient repart is supposed to work well, i believe rosie uses them at night and likes it....just be careful about going hypo
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Yah I may leave it out if I plan on fasted cardio in am, then I walk to work fasted 5k every day... have been borderline hypo lately so maybe I should watch it...
 
DreamWeaver said:
It's too enable extra fat burn during sleep,



I've had some funny dreams but....



Yah I may leave it out if I plan on fasted cardio in am, then I walk to work fasted 5k every day... have been borderline hypo lately so maybe I should watch it...
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Or just drop it down to 1 glycobol at night...
 
So I ordered a couple boxes of 1cc 1/2 inch syringes 29 guage should see me through. When you guys piin bi-lat do you use 2 syringes or just one...?
 
DreamWeaver said:
So I ordered a couple boxes of 1cc 1/2 inch syringes 29 guage should see me through. When you guys piin bi-lat do you use 2 syringes or just one...?
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GH I pin in one spot, I don't see a need to pin bi-lateral. IGF-1 DES, could do bi lateral and you don't need to use a different needle, just fill up, used half, stick in the other side. Just be mindful of keeping it sterile.
 
I don't have any glycobol. I have SinSlane. I took 2 Shifts last night and got some funky dreams. I stuffed a guy in his car trunk and drove the car off a parking structure, this specific scene happened twice. Awfully weird.

Would SinSlane suffice? Or is it something exclusive to Glycobol?
 
DreamWeaver said:
So I ordered a couple boxes of 1cc 1/2 inch syringes 29 guage should see me through. When you guys piin bi-lat do you use 2 syringes or just one...?
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oufinny said:
GH I pin in one spot, I don't see a need to pin bi-lateral. IGF-1 DES, could do bi lateral and you don't need to use a different needle, just fill up, used half, stick in the other side. Just be mindful of keeping it sterile.
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Pinning sounds awesome and hardcore.
 
VolcomX311 said:
I don't have any glycobol. I have SinSlane. I took 2 Shifts last night and got some funky dreams. I stuffed a guy in his car trunk and drove the car off a parking structure, this specific scene happened twice. Awfully weird.

Would SinSlane suffice? Or is it something exclusive to Glycobol?
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LMAO!!!
 
VolcomX311 said:
I don't have any glycobol. I have SinSlane. I took 2 Shifts last night and got some funky dreams. I stuffed a guy in his car trunk and drove the car off a parking structure, this specific scene happened twice. Awfully weird.

Would SinSlane suffice? Or is it something exclusive to Glycobol?
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Any nutrient partitioner that helps get blood sugar down should supposedly work.

It "should" also help with GH output since insulin blunts GH and taking a partitioner increases insulin sensitivity so you don't release as much and won't have high blood glucose which would cause insulin to be released in the first place. Honestly, I don't know how much better it is than if you just didn't eat before bed. If you do eat within ~1hr pre-bed, I presume it would have a better benefit.
 
Milas said:
Any nutrient partitioner that helps get blood sugar down should supposedly work.

It "should" also help with GH output since insulin blunts GH and taking a partitioner increases insulin sensitivity so you don't release as much and won't have high blood glucose which would cause insulin to be released in the first place. Honestly, I don't know how much better it is than if you just didn't eat before bed. If you do eat within ~1hr pre-bed, I presume it would have a better benefit.
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Hmmm... thanks for your input. Currently, I eat at 8pm at the latest and don't go to bed until 11pm on average.
 
How do you go to bed hungry? I need a snack before bed, but then again I eat smaller meals...
 
Milas said:
How do you go to bed hungry? I need a snack before bed, but then again I eat smaller meals...
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I don't get hungry at night like that. On days where I feel extra hungry, I'll just add 6-8 egg whites to my 5th or 6th meal to whatever I'm eating and I'm satiated.

Particularly if I take a pre-workout for my PM lifts. The appetite suppressant from mesomorph is actually pretty damn strong for me.
 
oufinny said:
GH I pin in one spot, I don't see a need to pin bi-lateral. IGF-1 DES, could do bi lateral and you don't need to use a different needle, just fill up, used half, stick in the other side. Just be mindful of keeping it sterile.
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Yah that's what I figured...

A_I_Sports_Nutrition said:
The people who are using it at night report a great hardening/leaning effect from it.
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Yep that's what I heard and seems that wake up a bit tighter...

VolcomX311 said:
Pinning sounds awesome and hardcore.
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Yah hope it is...


Milas said:
Any nutrient partitioner that helps get blood sugar down should supposedly work.

It "should" also help with GH output since insulin blunts GH and taking a partitioner increases insulin sensitivity so you don't release as much and won't have high blood glucose which would cause insulin to be released in the first place. Honestly, I don't know how much better it is than if you just didn't eat before bed. If you do eat within ~1hr pre-bed, I presume it would have a better benefit.
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Makes sense..
 
Get this, you know what stopped my eviscerete from getting through, yohimbine (I'd guessed that and l-carnitine) lol
 
Well the only exercise I went up on last night was bent over rows 225 X 5 X 2 and there was no body English on these whatsoever...

The rest was what I did on Tuesday and a slight meltdown on pulldowns...shoulder needs a break.

So next week is deload and prep for the big run... I will lay it all out once more later...
 
RickRock13 said:
Nice job on them rows. You do have a strong back :)
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Thanks, when I get this high the weight often pulls me out of position forcing me to have to use a little body English to pull it through, so I was pleased that this didn't happen.
 
Yesterday's diet

8am 1/2 cup steel cut outs
2 scoop protein
fish oil 3 grams

10am 2 boiled eggs
2 cups Brocolli
1 cup Cauliflower
1 cup green beans
1/2 bell pepper

12pm 2 cans tuna
2 cups Brocolli
1 cup Cauliflower
1 cup green beans
1/2 bell pepper
3 grams fish oil

3pm 2 boiled eggs

430pm Workout

530pm 2 scoop protein

7pm 10 oz chicken
1 medium yam
2 cups brocolli
1 cup Cauliflower
 
Today will go somethng like this with the refeed starting at around 3:30 pm

Friday
8am 1/2 cup steel cut oats
2 scoop protein
fish oil 3 grams

10am 2 boiled eggs
2 cups brocolli
1 cup Cauliflower
1 cup green beens
1/2 red or yellow pepper

12pm 10 oz chicken
2 cups brocolli
1 cup Cauliflower
1 cup green beens
1/2 red or yellow pepper
1/2 cup black beans
3 grams fish oil

230pm 2 boiled eggs
Carbs
3:30pm 2 potatato baked 71

530pm 3 cups pasta 129
1 cup Tomato Sauce 27.6
1 medium whole wheat roll 16.6
4 cups fat free Ice cream 164.7

730pm 4 cups rice 173.2
8 tbsn Thai chilli sauce 56

9:30 2 bagels 115.9

total carbs for refeed = 754
 
Hey DW or anyone who can answer this, when taking Nolva during the first two weeks of 20/20, do I take the 10mg tabs in two split doses AM/PM? or both at once? Thanks a bunch.
 
VolcomX311 said:
Hey DW or anyone who can answer this, when taking Nolva during the first two weeks of 20/20, do I take the 10mg tabs in two split doses AM/PM? or both at once? Thanks a bunch.
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One dose daily is fine with SERMs, long half lives...
 
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