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Old Fugger Ready to take on all challengers...Transfomation time!!!

EasyEJL said:
I think I have some LR3 here, I don't even know all of what I have. its amazing honestly.
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Nice problem to have....:mischievous:

oufinny said:
I just made mine tonight, about ~47 mL of Clen in the bottle... should be some good ol potent clenviscerate!!!!!! :spank:
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That seems like an awful lot I heard 30 but it depends on concentration of the clen too.. is yours 200 per ml

I think I will ensure accurate dosing by measuring each dose which would be pretty easy to figure out.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Nice problem to have....:mischievous:



That seems like an awful lot I heard 30 but it depends on concentration of the clen too.. is yours 200 per ml

I think I will ensure accurate dosing by measuring each dose which would be pretty easy to figure out.
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What dose are you gonna run DW? 3pumps ~100mcg of clen right?
 
Oh and Sub'd (real late but nonetheless on board)

I think im gonna go with the mix entire bottle option. I'm lookin at a 30ml bottle of 200mg/ml of clen for a real good price. since its 200 i don't want to try and measure out 1/8th and 1/4s of milliliters seems like a hassle
 
Orangatang said:
Oh and Sub'd (real late but nonetheless on board)

I think im gonna go with the mix entire bottle option. I'm lookin at a 30ml bottle of 200mg/ml of clen for a real good price. since its 200 i don't want to try and measure out 1/8th and 1/4s of milliliters seems like a hassle
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Easy with a syringe....:mischievous:
 
Orangatang said:
What size do you use?
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Doesn't really matter, 1/2 CC is what I have right now so that 100 mcg per syringe a 1 cc syringe would have 200 so dose accordingly... I believe that's 25 units for 50mcg on a 1 CC syrninge and 20 for 40. That's if you're clen is 200 mcg/ml...
 
My clenviscerate may be strong but it works. Tried one pump this morning and I am awake that is for sure. Will go up to two tomorrow or the day after. As it is transdermal, I don't see it having the sides that taking say 100 mcg orally would. We shall see, feeling pretty stellar right now I must say, nice and warm on a cold day.
 
oufinny said:
My clenviscerate may be strong but it works. Tried one pump this morning and I am awake that is for sure. Will go up to two tomorrow or the day after. As it is transdermal, I don't see it having the sides that taking say 100 mcg orally would. We shall see, feeling pretty stellar right now I must say, nice and warm on a cold day.
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Yah appealing in the winter time....
 
Clenviscerate burned the hell out of my skin if I used it pre workout (especially cardio) and then in a hot shower burned like a bitch! It was best for me applying post workout after my shower.

I also added extra yohimbine powder to my clenvis, targeting those nasty alpha-2 receptors. They suck.
 
Milas said:
Clenviscerate burned the hell out of my skin if I used it pre workout (especially cardio) and then in a hot shower burned like a bitch! It was best for me applying post workout after my shower.

I also added extra yohimbine powder to my clenvis, targeting those nasty alpha-2 receptors. They suck.
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yah you have to be careful...
 
DreamWeaver said:
yah you have to be careful...
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Also, I wouldn't recommend applying clenvis near your chest/heart. Clen hardens cardiac muscles, which is REALLY not good.
 
Milas said:
Also, I wouldn't recommend applying clenvis near your chest/heart. Clen hardens cardiac muscles, which is REALLY not good.
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I have eviscerate smolder, the milder step brother, and there is nothing mild about it. Last night I put it on to see how it was, around say 5:30 PM, I woke up many a time last night because my abdomen was on fire... so annoying. Moral of the story, this stuff goes on in the AM after a shower and Dermacrine goes on at night. That there clenviscerate is akin to napalm (that stuff from 'nam) if you put too much on!
 
Milas said:
Also, I wouldn't recommend applying clenvis near your chest/heart. Clen hardens cardiac muscles, which is REALLY not good.
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I'll keep that in mind...

oufinny said:
I have eviscerate smolder, the milder step brother, and there is nothing mild about it. Last night I put it on to see how it was, around say 5:30 PM, I woke up many a time last night because my abdomen was on fire... so annoying. Moral of the story, this stuff goes on in the AM after a shower and Dermacrine goes on at night. That there clenviscerate is akin to napalm (that stuff from 'nam) if you put too much on!
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Yah and I have the original....

A_I_Sports_Nutrition said:
You going to run some BP supports when you do the clen?
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Yah I have lots of cycle support and some Hawthorn Berry... I will be starting the cycle support tommorow... or this weekend sometime..
 
DreamWeaver said:
I'll keep that in mind...



Yah and I have the original....



Yah I have lots of cycle support and some Hawthorn Berry... I will be starting the cycle support tommorow... or this weekend sometime..
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Sounds good.
 
Yesterday's Diet

8am 3/4 cup Muslei
2 scoop protein
fish oil 3 grams

10am 2 boiled eggs

12pm 8 oz chicken
large green salad
1 cup black beans
3 grams fish oil

3pm 2 boiled eggs

5-7 pm 10oz chicken
1.5 cups rice
2 cups brocolli

8pm 2 scoop protein
 
DreamWeaver said:
And it is not supposed to have bad sides done transdermally they way it does orally...
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Well if this morning is any indication, I felt nice and warm from it and was alert. I didn't get any bad sides like the shakes or felt short of breath. So far so good!
 
oufinny said:
Well if this morning is any indication, I felt nice and warm from it and was alert. I didn't get any bad sides like the shakes or felt short of breath. So far so good!
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Sounds good and consistant with other feedback ...
 
For you guys with clen experience. What is the daily dosage? Does the eviscerate pump pump 1ml? I did my calculations and took into account the added volume of the clen to yield a final value of 28.9mcg/ml
 
Orangatang said:
For you guys with clen experience. What is the daily dosage? Does the eviscerate pump pump 1ml? I did my calculations and took into account the added volume of the clen to yield a final value of 28.9mcg/ml
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I think 1 pump is 1ml yes, just start off with low dose (1 pump) and go from there... I wouldn't go ever 3 pumps though....
 
DreamWeaver said:
I think 1 pump is 1ml yes, just start off with low dose (1 pump) and go from there... I wouldn't go ever 3 pumps though....
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I've done 3 pumps in the AM, it was meh... I didn't dose in AM and PM though. My clen was underdosed though, I believe, but it could still make me shake a lil' and cramp if I accidentally it...
 
Milas said:
I've done 3 pumps in the AM, it was meh... I didn't dose in AM and PM though. My clen was underdosed though, I believe, but it could still make me shake a lil' and cramp if I accidentally it...
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It's good to start off low dose to assess reaction though...
 
OK not as good a night last night..

Front Squats 265 X 5 X 2 ...first set did not get low enough second set was pretty good Incline db press 105X 5 X only 4 on second set, my shoulder may not allow me to go much further but this is further than I have been for a long time.
Lat pull-down 185 X 5 X 2
Bent over rows 205 X 5 X 2
Push Press 16 X 4 X 2 second I almost made 5 my concentration was off, too many ameteurs in the gym, I also had to use a bar I was uncomfortable with, really crappy and a bit bent..
Decline tri ext 125 X 5 X 2
O bar curl 160 X 5 X 2 I had to revert to using more body english than I am comfortable with on the second set the first was a wash this is getting beyond my range
Calf raise 150 X 5 X 2

Really not that bad now that I see it, I will still attack full force on Sunday full of Strange brew and add in all the increases...

I only lost a half pound on this weeks weigh in and I know there could be a lot of explanations I have definitely slimmed down some. I can't afford a mistake right now though so no carb up today!!

All this did was piss me off!! I am going real contest prep starting next week!! Tons of vegtables very little starch carbs!! Bland!! Bland!! Bland!!

This is the difference between winning and losing!! Between living and dying!!

Light a fire, save matches fug a duck and see what hatches!!

Canadians are dangerous when they're pissed off!!
 
Time to make with the motivational poetry...

Here's something I wrote under another alias

The Beast

Lurking deep inside, an apparition from days gone by

A great source of power, a perilous source of aggression

Once needed for survival, now shunned and feared

The surging power of its will, replaced by modern conveniences

Many a warrior will heed it still, yearning for its overpowering influence

Not to be denied, the iron warrior will tame his inner Beast.

And with the power he has within, he will vanquish his limitations

WarriorPoet
 
Here's what a real precontest looks like

8am 1/2 cup steel cut oats
2 scoop protein
fish oil 3 grams

10am 2 boiled eggs
2 cups brocolli
1 cup Cauliflower
1 cup green beens
1/2 red or yellow pepper

12pm 8 oz chicken
2 cups brocolli
2 cups brocolli
1 cup Cauliflower
1 cup green beens
1/2 red or yellow pepper
1/2 cup black beans
3 grams fish oil

230pm 2 boiled eggs

5pm 8 oz chicken
1 cup rice
2 cups brocolli
1 cup Cauliflower
1 cup green beens

8pm 2 scoop protein
 
Damn, that IS a lot of veggies! Turning into the Green Giant?
 
Milas said:
Damn, that IS a lot of veggies! Turning into the Green Giant?
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That's part of the trick, these vegtables will keep your metabolism higher but they probably use up more energy digesting than the provide. Get it, a kind of vicious fat burning circle... this is one of the oldest and best tricks of contest prep, just cuz it's old school doesn't mean is isn't kickass... :mischievous:
 
DreamWeaver said:
My main purpose for using The DES is to get some extra development in my chest but I am assuming that I only do bi-lateral injections in the chest on days I am actually working it. I will be using a 3 day split so I guess I will have to inject other areas dependiing on what I am working or it doesn't make much sense. If I thought I could just do the chest injections all the time and still benefit that's what I would do. Is there any protocol for treating a particular body part besides post workout, may morning injection etc... ?
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Here is something you could try. Test-Suspension. It gets about a 50/50 user rating concerning specific injection site growth. Some guys totally swear by its effects.

I've been using it mainly for pre-workout aggression and strength for over 2 months now, doing 3 injections per week. 75 mgs. each shot. But as a fringe-benefit, I have been experiencing growth in the injection site.

I've been pinning it in my delts as I consider those to be my weak area. I can tell that they're growing now. So take that for what it's worth.

This is done pre-workout, so that would work for you. Do an injection, walk to th gym, and by the time you get there the Test will be kicking in.

And you can score it......CHEAP!! :147:
 
thundergod said:
Here is something you could try. Test-Suspension. It gets about a 50/50 user rating concerning specific injection site growth. Some guys totally swear by its effects.

I've been using it mainly for pre-workout aggression and strength for over 2 months now, doing 3 injections per week. 75 mgs. each shot. But as a fringe-benefit, I have been experiencing growth in the injection site.

I've been pinning it in my delts as I consider those to be my weak area. I can tell that they're growing now. So take that for what it's worth.

This is done pre-workout, so that would work for you. Do an injection, walk to th gym, and by the time you get there the Test will be kicking in.

And you can score it......CHEAP!! :147:
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Oh this is goin in the bank!!

So if you're going bi-lat 40 per side would suffice, how long can you cycle it for...
 
Another trick like that i've heard passed around is taking something like synthrol, and brewing it with test powder. Since the syntrol sits in the muscle area for days, it slowly allows the test to distribute, and mostly locally. Seems like a pain though.
 
New strategy, Synthrol injections on April 24th. Transformation = complete!!!
 
I think I've learned more in this thread than any other I can think of in a long time ;)
 
EasyEJL said:
Another trick like that i've heard passed around is taking something like synthrol, and brewing it with test powder. Since the syntrol sits in the muscle area for days, it slowly allows the test to distribute, and mostly locally. Seems like a pain though.
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Yah I have some bad feeling on synthol....
 
DreamWeaver said:
Oh this is goin in the bank!!

So if you're going bi-lat 40 per side would suffice, how long can you cycle it for...
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I wouldn't do bi-lateral shots. Just pin one side of your pecs each injection. At this low dose, you could cycle it for 12 weeks or longer. You should experience some real growth by then.

I suggest you pin 100 mgs. 3 times per week. 300 mgs total weekly.
Rotate each side of your pecs. No reason to go bi-lateral and have to do 2 pins at once.

Google "Test-Suspension" and you'll find plenty of info on it. Also add "injection site growth" into the search engine.
 
thundergod said:
I wouldn't do bi-lateral shots. Just pin one side of your pecs each injection. At this low dose, you could cycle it for 12 weeks or longer. You should experience some real growth by then.

I suggest you pin 100 mgs. 3 times per week. 300 mgs total weekly.
Rotate each side of your pecs. No reason to go bi-lateral and have to do 2 pins at once.

Google "Test-Suspension" and you'll find plenty of info on it. Also add "injection site growth" into the search engine.
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Ok will do that.... thanks TG...
 
It just occurred to me about DES dosing when I was reading Southern Charms log, lagging body parts are what off day dosing is all about. Post wokout is about the body part(s) just worked.

So... 40 bilat for a total of 80 post workout off days 20 bilat for 40 on pecs...

oh and 1/2 pin is ok for all areas except maybe quads...
 
mich29 said:
I agree this thread wins so hard
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Thanks, it's mainly to do with open discussion...

So Friday night I had a small carb up at dinner some potatoes a couple cups of low fat frozen yogurt and some rice later on with some Thai sauce...

Saturday was business as usual I did 30 minutes HITT cardio which may or may not have been necessary, I have to be preemptive so I can't wait till I see things slow down.

Mixed up a batch of the strange brew and ready to go tear it apart....:147:
 
DreamWeaver said:
Thanks, it's mainly to do with open discussion...

So Friday night I had a small carb up at dinner some potatoes a couple cups of low fat frozen yogurt and some rice later on with some Thai sauce...

Saturday was business as usual I did 30 minutes HITT cardio which may or may not have been necessary, I have to be preemptive so I can't wait till I see things slow down.

Mixed up a batch of the strange brew and ready to go tear it apart....:147:
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Looking forward to the results of this DW, you always throw up some insanity on Sundays! :spank:
 
Nice and glad to see you buckle down to a competition prep diet. Watch out everyone DW just got in da house!
 
oufinny said:
Looking forward to the results of this DW, you always throw up some insanity on Sundays! :spank:
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Sorry to day it was a crash and burn... joints are just too sore, weight is getting very heavy the combo just had me reeling... I am going to have to stop the increases on some lifts and concentrate more on form...

MrKleen73 said:
Nice and glad to see you buckle down to a competition prep diet. Watch out everyone DW just got in da house!
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Yah I carried my vegtables all cut up for the week to work 5k... damn near broke my back...

mich29 said:
yea there's a wealth of info in this thread
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Thanks again....
 
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