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Nobody Ever Drowned In Sweat - GMG760's 1AD/4AD cycle

GMG760 said:
I think you just missed my last log dude. I haven't gone anywhere.
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I did follow the last one just never said so. I always follow along with the guys I know and trust to give the honest feed back on products. Far and few between I think but you guys are out there.

I meant I was glad to see you back in here ready to fire up some Beserker Rage and get jackt!
 
MrBigPR said:
You will love the HD-2. Hooked my brother up with some and got cut up so nasty. Added some size too.
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I wish I was your brother!! :yes(1)::laugh2:
 
thundergod said:
Great post bigt. 6-OXO has shown to almost triple DHT levels when used at full dose for at least 6 weeks.
I prefer to use it transdermally myself. You can cut the dosages in half by going the TD route.
DHT gets an undeserved bad rap usually. It can actually IMPROVE BPH prostate swelling. More and more doctors are coming around to this knowledge. They're now treating prostate issues with DHT to shrink the prostate.
It's estrogen that causes all the bad shit with us. And DHT lowers estrogen sides as well. This is the reason I prefer strong androgens over strong anabolics. They make me feel very "manly". LOL

Sorry to venture off on a DHT tirade. It's a near and dear issue with me. ha ha
Word to the Feds.......leave my androgens alone!! I need them for "medicinal" purposes!! LMFAO
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hell yeah, and the bump in dht is why some of us add trione powder to pre-mixed form. killer combo. really good to hear from you my friend, long time no see.:cheers:
 
thebigt said:
hell yeah, and the bump in dht is why some of us add trione powder to pre-mixed form. killer combo. really good to hear from you my friend, long time no see.:cheers:
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I've always mixed 5 grams of Formestane with 5 grams of Trione in my anti-e transdermals. Works like a charm. Haven't done that in a while though. It's about time to do it again. Makes for a smooth PCT.

I'm about to experiment with a TD of powdered DHEA and ATD. Run it solo just to see what happens. I was thinking 100 mg. of DHEA and 25 mg. of ATD doing a twice per day dosing protocol. That would equate to around 600 to 800 mg. of DHEA orally and the ATD at 50 to 100 mg. orally. Transdermals are so much cheaper and effective to run with these compounds.
Once I score some Penetrate, I'll do just that. And I think I'll log it so others can see if this would be beneficial or not.
This would be a very cost effective run. The Penetrate would be the most expensive component. I have lots of bulk powders of DHEA and ATD to use up.
Most people know that DHEA, being a "parent" hormone, can convert to either estrogen or testosterone. Both actually. But the ATD should nip the estrogen in the bud and allow the DHEA to convert more towards testosterone in my thinking. I might take some oral Avena Sativa to make sure the test remains free and unbound by SHBG also.
I'm starting to like this idea.......:33::think:
 
thundergod said:
I've always mixed 5 grams of Formestane with 5 grams of Trione in my anti-e transdermals. Works like a charm. Haven't done that in a while though. It's about time to do it again. Makes for a smooth PCT.

I'm about to experiment with a TD of powdered DHEA and ATD. Run it solo just to see what happens. I was thinking 100 mg. of DHEA and 25 mg. of ATD doing a twice per day dosing protocol. That would equate to around 600 to 800 mg. of DHEA orally and the ATD at 50 to 100 mg. orally. Transdermals are so much cheaper and effective to run with these compounds.
Once I score some Penetrate, I'll do just that. And I think I'll log it so others can see if this would be beneficial or not.
This would be a very cost effective run. The Penetrate would be the most expensive component. I have lots of bulk powders of DHEA and ATD to use up.
Most people know that DHEA, being a "parent" hormone, can convert to either estrogen or testosterone. Both actually. But the ATD should nip the estrogen in the bud and allow the DHEA to convert more towards testosterone in my thinking. I might take some oral Avena Sativa to make sure the test remains free and unbound by SHBG also.
I'm starting to like this idea.......:33::think:
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i read this post once where a guy said that half live of atd was very short and went on about the advantages of using td delivery. ive never used td atd solo, but have added atd powder to other stuff. once i think i had atd/trione/form in the same bottle, lol. do your log on td- atd/dhea it seems they cause different reactions when used in a td delivery.
 
Liquidrone got my strength up so quickly, but I had to stop after a week and 3/4 because the estra-9 compound made my gyno flare up like crazy.
 
thundergod said:
That was hilarious. I saw it.
Almost as funny as when Hank Hill was a pimp. He was the "mack-daddy of Heimlich County"!! :boobies::hump::laugh:
And Snoop Dog playing the white OKC pimp "Alabaster" was priceless!!
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Hank: I am the mack daddy of Heimlich County, I play it straight up, yo. You get the hell out of my 'hood. She's my ho now.
Oklahoma City Pimp Alabaster Jones: Okay, whatever.
[Pointing to Peggy]
Oklahoma City Pimp Alabaster Jones: What you want for the jasper brunette?
Hank: That is my wife!
Oklahoma City Pimp Alabaster Jones: Man, that's the biggest mistake a pimp could make; marryin' one of his hos
 
Ok, so I was gone for a few days, but I am back now... it's been about a week since I started dosing my 1AD and 4AD... I have noticed that my muscles are already looking a bit fuller, and I definitely noticed an increase in libido from the 4AD. I think that the liquid prohormones kick in way faster than their pill counterparts.

Cardio today, start of a new DC blast tomorrow. :D
 
Keep the update s comin! I have 4 1-ad utt and I'm gonna use your log to judge whether or not im going to incorporate 1-ad utt into my next cycle or sell those them off.

Good luck.
 
GMG760 said:
Ok, so I was gone for a few days, but I am back now... it's been about a week since I started dosing my 1AD and 4AD... I have noticed that my muscles are already looking a bit fuller, and I definitely noticed an increase in libido from the 4AD. I think that the liquid prohormones kick in way faster than their pill counterparts.

Cardio today, start of a new DC blast tomorrow. :D
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I agree with the liquid hormone thing. I've only used Microdrol to compare, but that stuff was far superior than the capsules from what I could tell.

What's a "DC blast?" I'm still learning this DC stuff. I incorporate DC sets for each muscle group, but don't go too much beyond that.
 
Blast is the time to hit the weights hard. It usually lasts about 8 weeks or more for you young guns. Then you cruise, which is about a week off the weights. I am starting my blast again tomorrow after taking a week off from weights and cardio totally. I feel ready to get after it big time.
 
AZMIDLYF said:
Blast is the time to hit the weights hard. It usually lasts about 8 weeks or more for you young guns. Then you cruise, which is about a week off the weights. I am starting my blast again tomorrow after taking a week off from weights and cardio totally. I feel ready to get after it big time.
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What distinguishes this from any other workout? - I'll be honest, I have a hard time accepting some of these DC principles. People talk about these things as though they're new concepts when they're as old as cranking iron itself.

And what's with this "cruise?" Why the hell do you need to go in and just move around light weight? If DC is so hardcore, shouldn't you just take the week off and rest instead? - Frankly, I don't find DC to be especially hardcore at all. The stretching is painful, and the RP sets are intense, but I don't feel like it's any more taxing than my other sessions. Honestly, I don't feel I get enough out of a DC workout. Which is why I do not only 1 DC rest pause set, but 2, along with 3 Max OT sets. THAT is when I started noticing growth. DC-specific training just isn't high enough volume for my body.
 
People cruise differently. I usually just stop everything for a week or do very light cardio. The CNS and joints/muscles need the rest. I find the volume to be enough for my workouts. Granted, I am in another age bracket here but, I am toast after my sessions. It's all I can do to heal up enough for the next workout. I agree with you on the reinventing the wheel here. It has all been done before.
 
I think it just comes down to what works best for you IC. DC has done some amazing things for me and for the most part I follow it to the T. But I have thrown in a few of my own things along the way and it has def made improvements. Gotta do what works best for ya :dunno:

I still dont know what max ot is. I need to look that up.
 
I believe that muscle confusion is of supreme importance when bodybuilding. The body adapts very quickly to the specific stresses being placed upon it. So we should change things up fairly often to keep the muscles off guard.
Some people can make progress doing the same type workouts for months or years on end. I'm not one of those people. I change my routines often.
I do DC for a few blasts which will take me through 2 or 3 months. Then I'll go back to higher volume and do lots of drop (strip) sets to crank up the intensity. Then after a while of this, I'll change over to doing super-sets, giant sets, or pre-exhaustion sets.

I believe this keeps my interest high and my body growing.

I'm currently on a recomp, so I'm hitting the drop-sets hard right now. Let me tell you, triple-drops will make you cry for your mommy. LOL

All this being said, I do believe that DC is a very good method. Like the others have said, the principles involved have been around for a long time. But their popularity has exploded since DC showed up on the scene. This has led to more trainees hitting the weights with greater intensity.
And the more intensity one can incorporate into their training, the greater their gains will be.

Just Thunder's $.02:outtahere:
 
Irish Cannon said:
I agree with the liquid hormone thing. I've only used Microdrol to compare, but that stuff was far superior than the capsules from what I could tell.

What's a "DC blast?" I'm still learning this DC stuff. I incorporate DC sets for each muscle group, but don't go too much beyond that.
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Like everyone said a DC blast is 6-10 weeks of hitting the weights at 110%. The cruise is working out, but not to failure during a week or two between blasts to help your CNS recover.

The thing about DC is you have to give it your all or nothing. there is no real in between in the way it is described by Dante. Each muscle group is supposed to be trained to complete and utter failure by the time you are done with the RP set and the stretch. In theory there should be no more ability for the muscle to do more exercises. It is really, really hard to train at this level. I mean, it is a teeth-gnashing, screaming, all or nothing workout. I can really only do this for 6-8 weeks before I am just completely drained, don't want to work out or give it my all.

It works for the most part, except when I have found that I get sick or don't eat right. If you slip up at all with your diet and rest... DC is very unforgiving, I found this out on my last blast. I might change my DC workout up this week to include a RP set then a lightweight cable movement for the muscles, IE Bench press RP set, then a standard, lighter weight cable crossover, etc.
 
My blast barely lasted 10 weeks. The last 2 weeks I was in denial of needing a cruise. At this point, I am very happy to take this week to take it easy and come back harder the next! Plus switching out exercises is ALWAYS exciting!
 
yea, 10 weeks is too long for me. DC is all about recovery... I am beginning to think 8 weeks might be just about right. I may decide to do a 2 month burst of high-volume in between this current DC blast and my next. I think that DC is great, but other workouts should be used in conjunction. I definitely noticed that my gains weren't as pronounced during my second DC blast as my first.
 
Interesting...maybe the choice in exercise had something to do with? :dunno:. I agree tho. A break where you focus on higher rep and ancillary exercises should yield some nice results ..in the long run as well. Should give you some nice density too.
 
I dunno, I mean, DC is just based around compound exercises. Which is great for overall strength and mass. However getting definition and working out when cutting makes hypertrophy and volume seem better to me. I think DC is great, just some people are such DC "cult" followers that they regard any other workout as inferior, which honestly isn't the case. I think everything in moderation is good. I will probably work out DC style 3/4 of the year, and high volume/hypertrophy the other 1/4 from here on. Probably a month or so of hypertrophy in between every 2 DC blasts.
 
I think that idea is money, Money :D
 
bigmoe65 said:
Working out requires too much energy. Btw, are you HYUUUUGE yet?
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Not HYUUUUGE yet... Just HYUUUGE. I have one more U to gain before I am HYUUUUGE.

My Hemodraulix came today! STOKED! THANKS METROBA!
 
Off to the start of my 3rd DC blast.

Some workout motivation... definitely not enough carnage and metal on AM these days.

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Except that drowning pool blows.

Here is some WAY better metal.

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Awesome lyrics from back in the day.

"Who the hell are you calling crazy? You wouldn't know crazy if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Can you say "feel like sh*t"?
Yea maybe sometimes I do feel like sh*t
I ain't happy 'bout it, but I'd rather feel like sh*t than be full of sh*t!

And if I offended you, oh I'm sorry...
But maybe you need to be offended
But here's my apology and one more thing...f*ck you!"
 
nice man! I'm still a week off from my third blast...excited!
 
Started blasting as well today...I'm wiped out right now.
 
GMG760 said:
definitely not enough carnage and metal on AM these days.
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Amen to that my Berzerker brother!!! This place has seemed more like Pee-Wee's Playhouse rather than the Thundergod's Temple Of Torture!!!

Let's bring back the mayhem and slaughter!!! :AR15firing::rocketwhore:

:redeemerwhore:
 
War Report: Day 1 -

Incline BB Bench - 185x6x4x3
Cable Crossover - 55x12, 85x12, 110x12
Hammerstrength Shoulder Press - 195x7x4x3
Skull Crusher - 45's on ezbar x10x5x3 backoff set 25'sx20 (serious burn)
Wide Grip pull down - 220x8x5x4
Tbar Row - 150x10

Great workout, I am sore as hell this morning. Fighting off a headcold that just won't seem to go away. Nose/Throat are at about 75%... rest of me feels great though. I'm gonna push through the illness, hopefully I can sweat it out with some low-intensity cardio this afternoon.
 
thundergod said:
Amen to that my Berzerker brother!!! This place has seemed more like Pee-Wee's Playhouse rather than the Thundergod's Temple Of Torture!!!

Let's bring back the mayhem and slaughter!!! :AR15firing::rocketwhore:

:redeemerwhore:
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I'ts f*cking awesome to have you back brudda. This one's for TG.

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"Never waver, Never falter... Remain Die-Hard!"
 
GMG760 said:
War Report: Day 1 -

Incline BB Bench - 185x6x4x3
Cable Crossover - 55x12, 85x12, 110x12
Hammerstrength Shoulder Press - 195x7x4x3
Skull Crusher - 45's on ezbar x10x5x3 backoff set 25'sx20 (serious burn)
Wide Grip pull down - 220x8x5x4
Tbar Row - 150x10

Great workout, I am sore as hell this morning. Fighting off a headcold that just won't seem to go away. Nose/Throat are at about 75%... rest of me feels great though. I'm gonna push through the illness, hopefully I can sweat it out with some low-intensity cardio this afternoon.
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Do you workout by yourself?
 
hman85 said:
Do you workout by yourself?
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LOL... at the moment with my GF. She's a trooper, and a decent spotter most of the time.

But in all reality, yea, I might as well be working out by myself.
 
GMG760 said:
LOL... at the moment with my GF. She's a trooper, and a decent spotter most of the time.

But in all reality, yea, I might as well be working out by myself.
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Thats my main problem with dc right now. You need a spotter especially when you end on negatives. That or use all machines.
 
I hear ya man. Smith has become my friend. Nobody likes to stick around for a 3 set rest pause :frustrate...luckily i have workout partner now :)
 
A great spotter is a must!! Agree 100%!! The worst is the spotters that don't let you struggle with that last 1-2 reps, they just yank the weight up for you. I know I could get my chest to grow more and save my shoulders if I could just get away from the damn smith machine, but, I push waaaay too much and that's just the safest way for me now.
 
subweevil said:
A great spotter is a must!! Agree 100%!! The worst is the spotters that don't let you struggle with that last 1-2 reps, they just yank the weight up for you. I know I could get my chest to grow more and save my shoulders if I could just get away from the damn smith machine, but, I push waaaay too much and that's just the safest way for me now.
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I think you would be really surprised how much size you can put on with the Hammer Strength bench press. Starts out nice and wide and comes in close for the full contraction. You can lift heavy as all get out and it is better on your shoulders than the smith machine because it is a more natural range of motion. Plus you can do the whole isolateral thing too. The seated hammer strength are cool but for power, the actual lying down bench can not be beat short of true free weights.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I think you would be really surprised how much size you can put on with the Hammer Strength bench press. Starts out nice and wide and comes in close for the full contraction. You can lift heavy as all get out and it is better on your shoulders than the smith machine because it is a more natural range of motion. Plus you can do the whole isolateral thing too. The seated hammer strength are cool but for power, the actual lying down bench can not be beat short of true free weights.
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I agree. I find that the hammerstrength actually shapes my chest better, and gives better size... but really doesn't do as much for my free weight strength. I've thought many a time about giving up free weight bb bench... it might be a good thing for me in the long run to stick with Dumbells and hammerstrength. Maybe when I am a few years older or when if my shoulder gets clicky again.
 
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