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New Ecdy Product - LegalGear

LegalGear said:
Back in the lab today. I was so bummed that the last stuff crashed, really sucked!
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Trial and error bro. Are you going to try the boric acid this time like Urban Monk suggested? Is it feasible?
Good luck Eric. We're all on the edge of our seats on this one!!! :chairfall:
 
No, Boric acid would be even worse since the acidity of the product is the issue, not the amount or anything. I am going to make some more today and hope for the best!
 
I have three test bottles ready to go. I will get the guys to pick testers soon.

Everything seemed to go well into solution. The Ecdy Acetate might fall out a little, but shaken up it should work none the less.

I am going to post tomorrow a picture I took of a 80% HPLC Ecdysterone vs. a 90% UV ecdysterone. You won't believe the difference.
 
Wait until you do, it's really bad that people are trying to sell the 90% UV scanned stuff. If you didn't know science (like 99% of the people owning supplement companies) then you'd have no clue about the difference.
 
Pics of 90% UV and 80% HPLC

Guess which is which!
 

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you wernt joking, huge difference. i was expecting like white and yellow.
 
I've ordered and used a lot of bulk CV when evaluating source ecdy's. The bulk CV I requested c of a's on that were UV scanned were all brown. Specifically, I'm talking about the Beyond a Century product.

So, was I right?

If so, this may explain why a certain ecdy product had a cult following way back when. Then it was "reformulated" and worked so poorly the company ultimately went out of busines..
 
That is correct. Unless you had a chemist (specifically PHD) to tell you what was what, you'd probably never know the quality. Bear in mind this is 80% HPLC clean white powder vs 90% UV Scanned brown powder.

If you were a typical supplement owner you'd call a supplier and say "give me ecdysterone"
they say "is 90% UV ok?"
"Yep, sounds good."

The 25kg drums then get shipped uninspected to the manufacturer and you end up with a bad product.

Crazy eh?
 
Thought so...

I appreciate you bringing this information to light. It really illustrates the huge disparity in quality with regard to Ecdy products and more importantly, why feedback is so split.

Now with regard to the product I was talking about. Who remembers Atletika's Retibol?

The original tabs were small, white and worked like gangbusters. The following batches were big, brown and didn't work at all. I'm not sure of what source was used (Lueza, Cyanotis Vaga or both) but it's a safe bet they tried to increase profit margin by switching to an inferior extract.

Props to Legal Gear for revealing this. Way to do your homework..
 
Mixelflick said:
Thought so...

I appreciate you bringing this information to light. It really illustrates the huge disparity in quality with regard to Ecdy products and more importantly, why feedback is so split.

Now with regard to the product I was talking about. Who remembers Atletika's Retibol?

The original tabs were small, white and worked like gangbusters. The following batches were big, brown and didn't work at all. I'm not sure of what source was used (Lueza, Cyanotis Vaga or both) but it's a safe bet they tried to increase profit margin by switching to an inferior extract.

Props to Legal Gear for revealing this. Way to do your homework..
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Yeah, I remember Retibol..people were raving when it first appeared...but soon after is disappeared.
 
did i hear something about needing testers???
 
LegalGear said:
The UV stuff is just crap. Have to watch everything!
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I always shake my head when I talk to someone in my store and they have the opinion of all supps are the same and always go for the cheapest. Your pic illustrates that the statement ecdy is ecdy is flawed.

Looking forward to giving this a shot, well this and the other 5 or 6 products we are dropping on the market!:cheers:
 
I know, its crazy....too much good ish from LG.

I now have Lipotropic Protein, Perfect Carb and E-911 on my shelf as part of my daily regimen. Soon GHenerate and maybe Natadrol....this is likely the most of a single company products I've ever had at one time since my SP250/SizeOn/Cytolean stack when I first started working out haha keep up the awesome work!

edit: just need LG clothing and I'll have completed the transformation into a walking billboard haha
 
zb126 said:
I know, its crazy....too much good ish from LG.

I now have Lipotropic Protein, Perfect Carb and E-911 on my shelf as part of my daily regimen. Soon GHenerate and maybe Natadrol....this is likely the most of a single company products I've ever had at one time since my SP250/SizeOn/Cytolean stack when I first started working out haha keep up the awesome work!

edit: just need LG clothing and I'll have completed the transformation into a walking billboard haha
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We can arange that ;)
 
The bottom picture is absolutely roll on the ground, laugh my motherfuc*king ass off funny. The top one is good, but I've seen it. Bottom one is just pure quality. Good find p5sky.

As for the ecdy product. sounds pretty awesome. Looking forward to running it and the GHenerate. might pre-order that when i get paid on friday :)
 
Sweet.

And here's a little snippet for those of you who want to get the most out of LG's new product... This was in response to a question I received regarding Ecdy's non-hormonal mechanism of action:

This is the beauty that is Ecdysterone. While technically a "hormone", it is not so in humans. That is, it does not work by any known hormonal mechanism. There is a theory of "hormonal heterophylly" that I think is most interesting

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This is an excellent paper focusing on the cyclic GMP (cGMP) stimulating action of Ecdysterone. It was instrumental in my creation of The Blueprint (google Organic Anabolism and you'll find it). Here are 2 other links that provide evidence that cAMP/cGMP are PART of the puzzle that is Ecdy:

"Maximum Muscle, Minimum Fat: The Science of Physical Perfection" by Ori Hofmekler. Ori is also the author of the Warrior Diet. You can order the book here:

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There was one chapter in particular that was instrumental in my formulating of The Blueprint: Chapter 2 focusing on:

The Combustion Engine Principle 19

Under and over-feeding modulate cyclic AMP (cAMP) and cyclic GMP (cGMP) respectively. Briefly, cAMP is associated with muscle loss. Cyclic GMP (cGMP) is associated with muscle growth. Turns out switching back and forth (from Famine to Feast phase) potentiates the effects of both.

Here's a snippet from my writings:

Now, here's something else almost everyone has overlooked: Ecdysterone is a known amplifier of cGMP and it decreases cAMP shortly after administration.

"A rapid increase of cGMP and a decrease of cAMP levels in mouse plasma, together with a decrease of PKA activity in liver were described 40 min after an intraperitoneal injection of 10 μg 20E (Catal?n et al., 1979a&b, 1982)." 20E as referenced here is 20-hydroxyecdysterone.

This clue was buried deep in LaFont's excellent paper, Practical uses for ecdysteroids in mammals including humans: an update R. Lafont1,3 and L. Dinan2,4. I've included a link for you here:

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I recommend ecdysterone be used during SELECT PHASES of The Blueprint and in combination with other variables to maximize its impact.
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Google: Organic Anabolism
 
Mixelflick said:
Sweet.

And here's a little snippet for those of you who want to get the most out of LG's new product... This was in response to a question I received regarding Ecdy's non-hormonal mechanism of action:

This is the beauty that is Ecdysterone. While technically a "hormone", it is not so in humans. That is, it does not work by any known hormonal mechanism. There is a theory of "hormonal heterophylly" that I think is most interesting

Invalid Link Removed

This is an excellent paper focusing on the cyclic GMP (cGMP) stimulating action of Ecdysterone. It was instrumental in my creation of The Blueprint (google Organic Anabolism and you'll find it). Here are 2 other links that provide evidence that cAMP/cGMP are PART of the puzzle that is Ecdy:

"Maximum Muscle, Minimum Fat: The Science of Physical Perfection" by Ori Hofmekler. Ori is also the author of the Warrior Diet. You can order the book here:

Invalid Link Removed

There was one chapter in particular that was instrumental in my formulating of The Blueprint: Chapter 2 focusing on:

The Combustion Engine Principle 19

Under and over-feeding modulate cyclic AMP (cAMP) and cyclic GMP (cGMP) respectively. Briefly, cAMP is associated with muscle loss. Cyclic GMP (cGMP) is associated with muscle growth. Turns out switching back and forth (from Famine to Feast phase) potentiates the effects of both.

Here's a snippet from my writings:

Now, here's something else almost everyone has overlooked: Ecdysterone is a known amplifier of cGMP and it decreases cAMP shortly after administration.

"A rapid increase of cGMP and a decrease of cAMP levels in mouse plasma, together with a decrease of PKA activity in liver were described 40 min after an intraperitoneal injection of 10 μg 20E (Catal?n et al., 1979a&b, 1982)." 20E as referenced here is 20-hydroxyecdysterone.

This clue was buried deep in LaFont's excellent paper, Practical uses for ecdysteroids in mammals including humans: an update R. Lafont1,3 and L. Dinan2,4. I've included a link for you here:

Invalid Link Removed

I recommend ecdysterone be used during SELECT PHASES of The Blueprint and in combination with other variables to maximize its impact.
__________________
Google: Organic Anabolism
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Man your posts are good brother! Thanks for helping educate all of us!
 
Liftergym33 said:
You guys want it? NOW you have it! ~Sub-Ecdy Promo!!~

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Good luck to all the applicants.

I know I would love to run some Natadrol plus Ecdy for a cycle and then T-911 and more Ecdy for a sound PCT.

Just thinking out loud here.........:think::thinking::biglaugh:
 
I will try and make up a few more bottles today for people to try. It's a good formula I think and should yield some great results.
 
Sounds like a great idea, now with anabolics being on teh fence with DEA ecdy/turk is a great option for companies to get into, but delivery is the pain, if you guys at LG can deliver it you're ahead of most the industry,

hopefully it can beat out E-bol as the old forumla made people lethargic and was expensive since most 2x dosed it :)
 
I think this formula will have a lot of people believing! I didn't get to the office today but I will be there on Monday to make up more test batches. Did you guys see the log on Ultimate Joint? Looks like 3 days in the one guy is nearly pain free!
 
Craigmatthew said:
Man your posts are good brother! Thanks for helping educate all of us!
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Thank you. I do appreciate your feedback...

My sole objective here is to elevate Ecdy to its rightful place and reclaim what has become a tarnished reputation. Consider this...

- Circa 1996, oral 4 androstenedione was introduced by PA. I don't know about you, but I was incredibly underwhelmed.
- Later, 4 androstenediol was brought forth. Now we had a better compound to work with. Still wasn't delivering results though, relative to its cost/potential. Key word there, potential.
- 4-diol was refined into transdermal, cyclodextrin and ether/esther delivery systems. NOW we had something.
- 2005: Banned by the federal gov't and re-classified a controlled substance. In my experience, that just means the sh!t works and works well.

Ecdy is following the same product evolution. The beauty of this is that as of June 2009, we have 426 ecdysteroids to work wth.

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With LG improving the delivery system and refining the 20-H quality of CV, I'm optimistic. You pair that with a better understanding of the practical application for growing muscle via The Blueprint (google Organic Anabolism) well....

Saddle up, we're going to see how far Ecdy can take us.
 
LegalGear said:
I think this formula will have a lot of people believing! I didn't get to the office today but I will be there on Monday to make up more test batches. Did you guys see the log on Ultimate Joint? Looks like 3 days in the one guy is nearly pain free!
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Ultimate joint is looking killer man! Any idea when this will go into full time production or pre sale?
 
Craigmatthew said:
Ultimate joint is looking killer man! Any idea when this will go into full time production or pre sale?
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This is one product I could really use right now. My muscle rub is NOT working anymore. ha ha
The intensity of DC Blasts, my own routine of drop-sets, super-sets. and the torturous pre-exhaustion techniques have me more sore than ever in my life.
I love pain.........believe me. But I don't like it when it's so pronounced that it interferes with my training sessions.
I have some real soreness/pain issues with my elbows, shoulders, and knees at the present time. And there's absolutely no probability of me backing off of either the intensity techniques nor the poundages.
Such is not the way of the Thundergod..

NO PAIN...........NO GAIN!!!!!:firedevil::saevil:
 
so you need a tester for this ecdy product? i know my rep over here isnt built up yet but you can ask craig, I'm very reliable :)
 
LegalGear said:
Thunder, I will see if we have any left if you want to run it.
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Any "what"?
Either way, you are most accomadating sir.

Danke :hail:
 
I'm too absentminded/adhd to write any comprehensive log but I will be looking forward to your new sub ecdy product.
And reading the write ups on GHenerate it looks like they would be a great stack.
A buddy and I tried both the T-911 and the E-911 and found them to be quite effective.
 
Craigmatthew said:
Ultimate joint is looking killer man! Any idea when this will go into full time production or pre sale?
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x2, i would prefer to not have to be without :p and i think mines gonna run out soon at 6 caps a day now, so gogogogogo! :)

this ecdy stuff sounds like its gonna be fun, definetly wana try it when its out
 
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