Methyl Masterdrol V1 V2 V3?

masterX

masterX

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Hello,

I need to understand the differents version:

Methyl masterdrol liquid.

Methyl masterdrol V1 (xplo caps?)

Methyl masterdrol V2 (oral tabs)

Methyl masterdrol V3 (dissolve under tongue)

thx
Mx
 
Many people claim first version was best 'liquid masterdrol', people say xplo caps, V2, V3 can be sold at GNC because it s weaker.

Let me know guys, did you tried the last MM?
 
Can one of the LG reps please answer the above question. I too can obtain liquid masterdrol and want to know if it indeed is stronger or more effective than the tabs.
 
masterX said:
Hello,

I need to understand the differents version:

Methyl masterdrol liquid.

Methyl masterdrol V1 (xplo caps?)

Methyl masterdrol V2 (oral tabs)

Methyl masterdrol V3 (dissolve under tongue)

thx
Mx
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MM Liquid, V2, and V3 are the same; however, each has a different delivery system.

V1 was a Superdrol clone.
 
Thanks Irish. Is any one of the delivery systems better than the others? I torn between liquid and v3.
 
whats the difference between

MMV2 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one

and

MMV3 3-Alpha-Hydroxyetioallocholan-17-One (Extracted From Pine Pollen)

are you saying the only difference is the delivery, and these compounds are the same?
 
one is the alpha isomer, the other the beta isomer. They both convert to stanalone.
 
Alpha isomer is best according to chemist experts.

Androsterone is more potent than epiandrosterone.

I believe Legal Gear has monney to produce the Alpha isomer while other manufactures prefer to go the cheaper way B isomer.
 
squats20x said:
whats the best dosing protocol for liq masterdrol? also good to stack with m1d?
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They are MEANT to be stacked together. Go for it!

I would start at the suggested dose on both products and then slowly add to the dose if I didn't feel that the dose I was getting was strong enough. They are potent products at the suggested dose, so start there and see how you like them.
 
squats20x said:
whats the best dosing protocol for liq masterdrol? also good to stack with m1d?
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Liq is best at 16ml on lifting days and 8 ml on non lifting days.. at that dose you will need two bottles..., that was the original dose when the 1st version of the Trifecta first came to the market. I always dosed it on an empty stomach also.. and chased with water if needed

Like money said, Masterdrol and M1-D and like peanut butter and jelly:D they we meant for each other..
 
masterX said:
3-Alpha is androsterone

3-Beta is epiandrosterone


LG Reps does a bad job answering the right question in this thread. What do they know about MMV?
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Which question was the right question?

I'm not sure what we didn't explain... but what else do you want to know?

Methyl Masterdrol (Version 1, albeit it was just called Masterdrol) was a Superdrol clone. Superdrol is Methyldrostanalone It hasn't been made by LG in years. If you want to use this, I suppose you could probably find some CEL Mdrol still lurking around somewhere. The stuff is harsh as heck, but you will grow like a weed and strong as an ox if you can manage to keep your appetite. Kiss your energy and libido goodbye. I could only handle 3 weeks. Don't be surprised if you get some gyno symptoms.

MMV2 and MMV3 are the beta and alpha isomer of essentially the same hormone. These both convert to the hormone Stanalone. Stanalone is a very strong androgen, it will have mild androgenic side effects (people with prostate issues, aggression problems, or are worried about hairloss should take caution when using it), but nowhere near the likes of the side effects methyldrostanalone. Stanalone should help the libido, raise strength, and increase muscle density. It is often used as a recomp hormone, and does well on a cutting cycle as well.

As it was said above, Liquid Masterdrol, MMV2, and MMV3 all convert to the same target hormone. They just use different methods of delivery.

If I didn't answer your question please restate it as clearly as you can and I will reply.
 
GMG760 said:
MMV2 and MMV3 are the beta and alpha isomer of essentially the same hormone. These both convert to the hormone Stanalone. Stanalone is a very strong androgen, it will have mild androgenic side effects (people with prostate issues, aggression problems, or are worried about hairloss should take caution when using it), but nowhere near the likes of the side effects methyldrostanalone. Stanalone should help the libido, raise strength, and increase muscle density. It is often used as a recomp hormone, and does well on a cutting cycle as well.

As it was said above, Liquid Masterdrol, MMV2, and MMV3 all convert to the same target hormone. They just use different methods of delivery.

If I didn't answer your question please restate it as clearly as you can and I will reply.
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ok so i got a couple of questions

- i have an open bottle of mmv3 (sub-lingual tabs); i've used some of it but it caused some kind of irritation in the skin under my tongue....would it still do the trick if just took the stuff orally like all my other supps. ?

- how much yohimbine dose mmv3 have per tab ? i'm getting yohimbine from other supps. as well & need to know how much i'm getting total

- would mmv3 stack well with epi ? given i'd be taking it orally, how much would i dose it ?

Thanks
 
I am using 600mg for more than 6 weeks it s pretty week products.
Stacked with 1T (5pumps) + Turinabol (75mg / 100mg).

Check the label on your bottle, the last MMV3 doesn t have the "pro hormone complex" listed.
So you may end up taking just some herbals ingredients....
 
i just wish they stopped putting yohimbine in all there products ALOT dont like it like me, not dont get me wrong ill use it here and there like i like there T-911.
but not in things im going to use ED.
 
MMV1- superdrol clone
MMV2- "Stano-drol"- non-methylated; helps with aggression
MMV3- Pretty sure either DHEA or nonhormonal

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
yes each batch becomes weaker and weaker. that's what happens when you've got the FDA on a mission.
 
MrBigPR said:
yes each batch becomes weaker and weaker. that's what happens when you've got the FDA on a mission.
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I believe you have a pessimistic viewpoint when compounds like Superdrol and its clones are still readily available. Everything is going to be a step back from MMV1 because of the fact it was Superdrol; does that mean that MMV3 is not effective? No. Many have had great success with it and I am looking forward to my chance to run it after the first of the year.
 
no I'm not pessimistic due to other available compounds on the market. I'm speaking from facts; anyone with a decent chemistry background could dissect each nomenclature and come up with the conclusion mentioned above. yes many people react differently to supplements. yes I have mmv2 and 3 and yes I will be using each soon.

my post was strictly scientific and honest.
 
PLEASE

and now would you explain, what is MMV3 Strenght complex?

3-Alpha-Hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one (extracted from pine pollen) HydroxyPropylBetaCyclodextrin


Before strenght complex it was pro hormones complex.


Does the MMV3 strenght complex is a clone of Epiandrosterone or Androsterone?


Pro hormone is the only ingredient that really matter to me, don t want to end buying some herbs. I would rather buy Androhard or Stano-drol.

thank you.
 
masterX said:
PLEASE

and now would you explain, what is MMV3 Strenght complex?

3-Alpha-Hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one (extracted from pine pollen) HydroxyPropylBetaCyclodextrin


Before strenght complex it was pro hormones complex.


Does the MMV3 strenght complex is a clone of Epiandrosterone or Androsterone?


Pro hormone is the only ingredient that really matter to me, don t want to end buying some herbs. I would rather buy Androhard or Stano-drol.

thank you.
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As stated earlier in the thread:
MMV3 3-Alpha-Hydroxyetioallocholan-17-One (Extracted From Pine Pollen)

This is the alpha isomer and it converts to Stanalone and yes it is a PH.
 
oufinny said:
As stated earlier in the thread:
MMV3 3-Alpha-Hydroxyetioallocholan-17-One (Extracted From Pine Pollen)

This is the alpha isomer and it converts to Stanalone and yes it is a PH.
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stanalone? is that a new PH?


the above is Androsterone.

Stanolone is 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one, which WAS mmv2. Mmv3 is Different. comparable to androhard since they are DHT derivatives after 2 step conversion.
 
masterX said:
beta isomer epiandrosterone - stanodrol. androhard
alpha isomer androsterone - mmv3
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I stand corrected. I can only go by what information that I am given. That said, if MMV3 works like AndroHard, I am sure you will be happy with it like I was with AndroHard.
 
Here is something that was listed back in the Why MMv2 works thread. If you read on far enough into it, LegalGear goes into MMV3 and why the change was made. It states the reason for using the Alpha Isomer in MMV3 to break down into androsterone is because it is more bioavailable with the sub-lingual technology than the beta isomer was. I am not a chemist but I can understand how different means of ingestion and absorption could effect a products efficacy.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Here is something that was listed back in the Why MMv2 works thread. If you read on far enough into it, LegalGear goes into MMV3 and why the change was made. It states the reason for using the Alpha Isomer in MMV3 to break down into androsterone is because it is more bioavailable with the sub-lingual technology than the beta isomer was. I am not a chemist but I can understand how different means of ingestion and absorption could effect a products efficacy.
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Master Chef of Pro hormones "Patrick Arnold' said the reason to change beta isomer to alpha isomer for better bioavailability is non sense.

I ll take as exemple Androhard which is Beta isomer luiqid (already disolved for better absorption).
Sublingual mmv3 has Alpha isomer(to dissolve under tounge or cheeks) .


Am using my third bottles of MMV2 or 3.... Ran all the bottles at 6tabs a day (600mg) pro hormone complex, Last bottle seem to work better than the others.
I can see lot of veins coming out, more agressivity in the gym, libido is hot.
It s weird that only happens now....


All my bottle had the "pro hormone complex" MMV2 not the "Strenght Complex" MMV3 so i m really lost.

people say MMV2 had Beta but i believe MMV2 also had Alpha isomer.

I CAN TAKE PICTURE IF YOU ASK ME
 
masterX said:
Master Chef of Pro hormones "Patrick Arnold' said the reason to change beta isomer to alpha isomer for better bioavailability is non sense.

I ll take as exemple Androhard which is Beta isomer luiqid (already disolved for better absorption).
Sublingual mmv3 has Alpha isomer(to dissolve under tounge or cheeks) .


Am using my third bottles of MMV2 or 3.... Ran all the bottles at 6tabs a day (600mg) pro hormone complex, Last bottle seem to work better than the others.
I can see lot of veins coming out, more agressivity in the gym, libido is hot.
It s weird that only happens now....


All my bottle had the "pro hormone complex" MMV2 not the "Strenght Complex" MMV3 so i m really lost.

people say MMV2 had Beta but i believe MMV2 also had Alpha isomer.

I CAN TAKE PICTURE IF YOU ASK ME
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MMv2 was the best OUTSANDING STUFF!!!!
 
none of lg reps on this board can answer correctly
they prolly have not even tried mmv
reps should have half the products of the brand they support. none could post pictures to make the difference it s all n blablabla
 
masterX said:
none of lg reps on this board can answer correctly
they prolly have not even tried mmv
reps should have half the products of the brand they support. none could post pictures to make the difference it s all n blablabla
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I fail to see exactly what hasn't been answered here. Nor why you feel a need to disparage the LG rep team here. You asked the difference between the 3 products and were told what the differences were. Each question you have asked in succession has been answered except the last one that the wording of it was ambivalent anyway and hard to tell what you were asking. However I got you an answer for that one here too.

I will post up some of the quotes from the Androsterone thread started by LegalGear himself explaining the differences between the two and the fact that yes MMV2 was indeed a mix of Alpha and beta isomers.

LG Sciences said:
You know, I used to know that question, but it was so long ago that I can't remember. I believe it was good to use the products dermally since the skin has a pretty high expression of 17bHSD (this is from memory, so I could be wrong). Would be cool to see someone try Androsterone/EpiAndrosterone transdermally.

An FYI EpiAndrosterone and Androsterone are basically the same compound, one is a 3a and one is a 3b. We think the 3b is much better as a muscle builder, but it is good to use a little of both (which happens anyway when you get the stuff, since most PH's are a mix of a/b isomers). Both are prohormones to Stanolone and take advantage of the bodies 2 step enzyme system so should be much more bioavialable than diones or diols...
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LG Sciences said:
Androsterone (3a isomer) is better for anti-estrogen effects than epi-androsterone (3b isomer) but I believe the 3b to be much better for muscle building effects due to the increased amount of free 3bHSD in the blood and other tissues. There is also a lot of 3aHSD in the muscle which could activate, but it seems that it is semi-uni directional.
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You were given the reasoning for why they changed to the Alpha isomer, and you chose to bring in Patrick Arnold's opinion on the statement. So we have two specialist with differing opinions... No big deal. Ford made the 1st American car but that doesn't mean they made the best one. Pat Arnold can be fallible too. Not saying who is right or wrong here but just dismissing what one says because of another persons opinion does not make either of them correct or incorrect. The other side of the opinion here In response to what you said Pat Arnold said. Obviously this is not a new issue but there is history of disagreement there.
LG Sciences said:
I expect the Androsterone derivitive would be even better than the dione based on the feedback given from all androsterones. People (like Pat Arnold) are just jealous that I thought of the concept of androsterones first and found the paper on oral testosterone showing the liver is not even an issue since prohormones get deactivated far before they even reach the liver...
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This states that yes they did use a mix of the alpha and beta isomers.
LG Sciences said:
Yeah, Androsterone is different for sure we use the mixed isomer in ours, but both are really close. I like the higher 3bHSD availability better, but that is me...the case can be made for Androsterone too. Just depends on your theories. Both the 3a/3b isomers seem to have similar activity and in this case since there is no 4-5 isomerase activity, the point is moot.
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I have to say regarding your comments about pictures of products....
Who cares if the reps have a picture of a no longer sold or supported product. Why would they need a picture of that? I will answer that for you. They do not. It is a courtesy for them to answer questions regarding a discontinued product and not a requirement of anyone. Would be like you calling Microsoft and asking them to support your Windows 95 operating system. Well not really because they would have laughed and hung up. We made an effort to get you any info we could.

You seem to think Reps just have product lying around for whatever or whenever they feel like picking something up. Unfortunately that is just not so. Allowances are made and most of the guys have on hand what they are currently using and not a stock pile of supps to go through on a whim. For them to have half of our many products on hand would be completely unrealistic at any one time. Many of them have experience in different products and are gaining more knowledge on products they have not used. That doesn't reflect poorly on them either. Some have no intention of doing any ProHormones and that doesn't negate their ability to educate you on them, nor to be a good rep. Only their ability to explain something from experience. GMG who has used all of them got on here and specifically told you the difference between them and his opinion of each one.
 
masterX said:
none of lg reps on this board can answer correctly
they prolly have not even tried mmv
reps should have half the products of the brand they support. none could post pictures to make the difference it s all n blablabla
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No reason to take pot-shots at anyone bud. I explained your question to the best of my ability. It's not like we are all bio-chemistry PHD's. If you still have questions, you can always ask them directly on the LGsciences.com forum, maybe eric will respond to you. However, you could just as easily search the subject and find out all the information you want as it's been explained time and time again in different posts.
 
Thanks all,

Methyl masterdrol with A isomer or B isomer are good products

Some websites do not upgrade the label version of MMV,

In futur i ll just buy and read the label once it has been received.
 
I believe the problem here is that LG reps don't know what they're talking about. Not even the so called "Product Advisor" can even spell the correct hormone or the difference between v2 and v3!!!

MrKleen had the best response, you guys should learn from him and stop BSing around.
 
TheOne310 said:
I believe the problem here is that LG reps don't know what they're talking about. Not even the so called "Product Advisor" can even spell the correct hormone or the difference between v2 and v3!!!

MrKleen had the best response, you guys should learn from him and stop BSing around.
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I don't know you nor the other poster in here asking about MMV3 so I will give you the benefit of the doubt but I cannot let you talk about the reps like that without saying something [in addition to Kleen's comments above]. Not everyone is an expert on every product nor does everyone have time to research every question that has already been answered. Everything that GMG and I said in the thread actually is correct and was stated above in quotes by LG Sciences (that was in fact WHERE we got the information from, try a search next time!). Before you choose to spout off that we don't know anything, make sure you are in fact correct when you do so. If we are wrong, no one is above admitting to it and we will get the right answer so everyone can learn from it. Take that anger and to put it to good use in the gym! :thumbsup:
 
guess they let anyone become a rep. the fact is that each version I different, if it wasn't why would it be labeled as two different versions (rhetorical)? different delivery systems? LOL. different delivery systems should increase bioavailability. I've used both versions with more than a year break along with your overhyped "receptor" and each was distinctively different.

MMV2 FTW!
 
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