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The Androsterone Thread

IT IS NOT DHEA! legalgear can verify that! its androsterone. The threads were deleted on BB.com, i will not say anything more till release.
 
Yeah, Androsterone is different for sure we use the mixed isomer in ours, but both are really close. I like the higher 3bHSD availability better, but that is me...the case can be made for Androsterone too. Just depends on your theories. Both the 3a/3b isomers seem to have similar activity and in this case since there is no 4-5 isomerase activity, the point is moot.
 
isnt androsterone just a basic structure like testosterone that can be built on as you are doing with the other dermals your going to release? so feasibley AX's new 3-AD can be darn near any alteration to the androsterone molecule? Possibley something thats never been done before?
 
poopypants said:
isnt androsterone just a basic structure like testosterone that can be built on as you are doing with the other dermals your going to release? so feasibley AX's new 3-AD can be darn near any alteration to the androsterone molecule? Possibley something thats never been done before?
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As far as i know this does seem to be the case. Hence 19norandrosterone, 4-androsterone, 1-androsterone, etc etc.
 
Yes and no. The Androsterone is the base skeleton and the other descriptions are modifications of that molecule. That doesn't mean the base molecule doesn't have activity though. It most certainly does bad analogy would be a car...you can buy a mustang, a mustang LX or a mustang GT all of them drive, the LX and GT are just modifications to the base car. The base care still drives though...

In this case the modifications convert into other things...

Androsterone/EpiAndrosterone convert to Stanolone
1-Androsterone converts to 1-Test
19Nor-4-Androsterone converts to Nandrolone (deca)
4-Androsterone converts to Testosterone
Estra 4,9 Androsterone converts to Dienalone

So, they all convert to active hormones in the body but the name "Androsterone" means something specific, so listing "Androsterone" means it is a prohormone to Stanolone.
 
LegalGear said:
Yes and no. The Androsterone is the base skeleton and the other descriptions are modifications of that molecule. That doesn't mean the base molecule doesn't have activity though. It most certainly does bad analogy would be a car...you can buy a mustang, a mustang LX or a mustang GT all of them drive, the LX and GT are just modifications to the base car. The base care still drives though...

In this case the modifications convert into other things...

Androsterone/EpiAndrosterone convert to Stanolone
1-Androsterone converts to 1-Test
19Nor-4-Androsterone converts to Nandrolone (deca)
4-Androsterone converts to Testosterone
Estra 4,9 Androsterone converts to Dienalone

So, they all convert to active hormones in the body but the name "Androsterone" means something specific, so listing "Androsterone" means it is a prohormone to Stanolone.
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yes this is why I compared it to a testoterone base... test is def active in and of itself but there can be many additions or removals to that base molecule to make it have the different effects.... just wanted to make sure androsterone was basically the same way.

this is frickin awesome that your able to get these all out and basically be DSHEA.... right? oh well they are out now :D

You think theres a chance these will make a longer run besides your limited one now?
 
what kind of pct are we looking at for these products

all this talk is really peaking my interest. im curious about shutdown
 
Not sure how long of a run we will do. The first run will be rather small, since I have limited raws, but I will see how it goes and order more if need be.

PCT will be like anything else hormone related...depends on the person, but I recomend the Formadrol/pSARM stack on NP!
 
Eric, if you were right about the abundance of 17-hsd in the skin, perhaps an androsterone dermal would be helpful as an anti-gyno on the chest, since topical DHT seems to kick gyno's @$$.
 
Mass_69 said:
Eric, if you were right about the abundance of 17-hsd in the skin, perhaps an androsterone dermal would be helpful as an anti-gyno on the chest, since topical DHT seems to kick gyno's @$$.
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Hope that pans out.. My nipples will be soo happy.
 
so I know you said mon or tues so I was wonderin if you have an updated ETA for these getting up on the LG site? Are they just going to go under the prohormones section?
 
poopypants said:
so I know you said mon or tues so I was wonderin if you have an updated ETA for these getting up on the LG site? Are they just going to go under the prohormones section?
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Were just waiting for the credit card machine to be set up and were ready to roll i beleive.
 
Mass_69 said:
Eric, if you were right about the abundance of 17-hsd in the skin, perhaps an androsterone dermal would be helpful as an anti-gyno on the chest, since topical DHT seems to kick gyno's @$$.
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It would probably be killer on the gyno related symptoms. A 4-OH andro would be good too. These are all LegalGear products actually and are not licensed to LG Sciences. Two totally different markets, so you will see them on the LegalGear.com site.
 
LegalGear said:
It would probably be killer on the gyno related symptoms. A 4-OH andro would be good too. These are all LegalGear products actually and are not licensed to LG Sciences. Two totally different markets, so you will see them on the LegalGear.com site.
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dude.... whats up with that site though?? I cant get it off the first page ever? it just shows the orphaned kids and the troops and dermatize and no links to go anywhere???? whats up?
 
Give it some time. Dermasize was the only product produced by LegalGear for quite a few years, so the site will get updated when we get the credit card processor set up. Should be pretty quick!
 
LegalGear said:
Give it some time. Dermasize was the only product produced by LegalGear for quite a few years, so the site will get updated when we get the credit card processor set up. Should be pretty quick!
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oh, I understand.

I thought I was doing something wrong.

btw, I just remembered my cherry was popped with LG M1T..... pretty friggin crazy introduction to the world of anabolics.
 
LegalGear said:
Give it some time. Dermasize was the only product produced by LegalGear for quite a few years, so the site will get updated when we get the credit card processor set up. Should be pretty quick!
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have you considered re-doing that product? i remember hearing you say something about a project just called "size" i think awhile back that was being developed
 
SIZE was basically going to be Methyl 1-D with a 7aMethyl delivery instead of a ester. Probably would have been killer, but never really saw the light of day... LegalGear had a bunch of things on the horizon before M1P got the letter.
 
LegalGear said:
SIZE was basically going to be Methyl 1-D with a 7aMethyl delivery instead of a ester. Probably would have been killer, but never really saw the light of day... LegalGear had a bunch of things on the horizon before M1P got the letter.
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interesting. i like a lot of the stuff you guys have going right now. i was very skeptical at first, but it's getting good feedback, and i really like the emphasis on safety. the only thing left is for me to find out for myself :smite:
 
These compounds sound a little like AMS's unimpressive 1-AD and 4-AD. Am I wrong (again)?
 
ImJ2x said:
These compounds sound a little like AMS's unimpressive 1-AD and 4-AD. Am I wrong?
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You're not wrong. That's why we're all excited about the transdermal delivery for the various androstanes. They should theoretically increase their bioavailibility and make them more interesting than what we've previously seen.
 
So the argument is that AMS's weakness is the low bio-availability, since it's not methylated? This gives me an idea. I've been somewhat intrigued by the sublingual method of delivery, completely avoiding first-pass liver metabolism of orals, and the messiness of transdermals or injectables. Since AMS's stuff isn't methylated, it seems the perfect candidate for sublingual usage. I may try it. But 1-AD or 4-AD? hmm...
 
ImJ2x said:
So the argument is that AMS's weakness is the low bio-availability, since it's not methylated? This gives me an idea. I've been somewhat intrigued by the sublingual method of delivery, completely avoiding first-pass liver metabolism of orals, and the messiness of transdermals or injectables. Since AMS's stuff isn't methylated, it seems the perfect candidate for sublingual usage. I may try it. But 1-AD or 4-AD? hmm...
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sublingual delivery is only feasible if you can get cyclodextrin binded to it otherwise its just not going to absorb/permeate the tissue at any sort of succesful rate.

The tissue in the mouth and nose needs hydrophilic compounds to absorb and almost all prohormones and steroids are lipophylic and need a hydrophilic carrier(cyclo) to allow it to permeate the tissue.
 
poopypants said:
sublingual delivery is only feasible if you can get cyclo otherwise its just not going to absorb/permeate the tissue at any sort of succesful rate.

The tissue in the mouth and nose needs hydrophilic compounds to absorb and almost all prohormones and steroids are lipophylic and need a hydrophilic carrier(cyclo) to allow it to permeate the tissue.
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Well I'm pretty resourceful -- I can probably get some cyclodextrin, if I want to. (It's perfectly legal, right?)
But I'm not totally sold on the necessity of cyclo. I know (from long ago, lol) that cocaine, for example, doesn't require any special "delivery matrix" for oral-tissue absorption. And I've experimented with Superdrol. (I know it isn't advantageous with methyls like Super, but AMS's stuff isn't methylated.) And I can get pretty much the entire capful of Super to absorb into the soft tissues in my mouth. Plus, the original 4-AD was often opened up and poured under the tongue for a quick, sublingual pre-workout boost. And it contained no delivery matrix. I think sometimes we tend to over-complicate things.
 
Im not saying there will be zero amount absorbed by putting it under your tounge but I promise you all of it is not going through the tissue under your tounge, alot is slipping down your throat and dissolving into your spit. This is a fact cause if you feel like there is nothing left underyour tounge then you know that your swollowing some cause its got fillers in there that most definately not able to permeate the tissue.

Alot of guys got a rush from 4-ad cause its great preworkout and highly bioavailable period... very little gets to go directly into the blood stream. Cyclo really does make it better and the sublingual route feasible, otherwise your getting only a minute amount more absorbed when your just dumping the cap under your tounge then when you just swollow that whole cap.
 
yes and I have no clue. sorry.

Most Ive heard of are premade cyclos so I have no clue how they were made they were just already sold that way.
 
So if epi-andro converts to stanolone, wich has been compared to proviron, masterone, and other DHT anabolics, this would mean very little suppression, right?

I've seen studies on proviron where men have taken it for up to a year and still remained in normal test ranges.
 
Sublingual 1-Andro would be sweet I bet. We looked into it and will do it if LG ever brings out a 1-Andro product.

We are working on a Sub lingual PCT product which we think will be killer for daily testosterone boosting.
 
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