Mattrag is Dream'n LEAN with EndoSurge!! (BPS sponsored)
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MrKleen73
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Just taking it on an empty stomach for all three doses when possible. However adding in 2 grams of glutamine an hour or so before the dose would help since it also causes a release. I really think BPS got it right with the way they set up the mucana with the two different extract levels. I have noticed a huge increase in appetite more than likely due to increased IGF levels. Adding in creatine with that would be optimal. Right now due to budget I get my creatine in my pre workout or 3 grams of DCM on days I don't take a pre workout. DCM is a nice form of creatine with no bloating and what not. I like it but I have not been using it much lately.
mattrag
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DCM = diCreatineM~?
I was taking them on FAT haha. Okay good to know. I thought the Fat would better help absorption but I will try to does them on empty from now. Which is easier seeing I do IF.
Thanks!! How does taking some BCAAs an hour earlier compare with glutamine? Does one of the ingredients in EndoSurge deplete blood levels of Glutamine?
thebigt
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i've also heard that creatine increases dht....
to op-i like dosing endosurge 2 caps 1st thing upon waking on an empty/middle dose with food/2 caps 30 minutes before bed on an empty.
endosurge/combustion are the real deal, imo.
mattrag
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I have seen the study done with football players or hockey players. Creatine raised there DHT levels. I have no problem with that.
thanks for the recommendation. I think I'll take it on empty then eat 30mins after breaking my fast. I usually break my fast at around 1pm so I should be able to get the second dose in around 1230. First dose was at 630. And I guess the last dose will be spread further apart.
Do you feel this would be better pre or post workout, if given the choice?
MrKleen73
Legend
Fat blunts GH release more than carbs do actually so definitely not the way to go for GH release. No it has to be glutamine, it also increases protein synthesis as well as vastly improving your immune system. On top of that it is cheaper than bcaas.
I have seen the study done with football players or hockey players. Creatine raised there DHT levels. I have no problem with that.
thanks for the recommendation. I think I'll take it on empty then eat 30mins after breaking my fast. I usually break my fast at around 1pm so I should be able to get the second dose in around 1230. First dose was at 630. And I guess the last dose will be spread further apart.
Do you feel this would be better pre or post workout, if given the choice?
Well depends you have a natural pulse after your workout and if you took the Endo immediately post workout and some aminos it would increase IGF output making for an anabolic situation. Preworkout might aid more in fat loss from the workout and your body produces MGF after when the lactic acid causes a GH release. MGF repairs damaged cells and causes satellite cells to proliferate, or split. IGF causes satellite cells to activate IE become muscle fiber. You need both of these actions. For that reason both scenarios are good for anabolism. If you had time to take it about 90 minutes before I might suggest 2 90 min before then 2 immediately after which would be about 3 hours which is the natural GH release pattern. Honestly I think the benefit of either pre or post when doing fasted would be very close to the same. Now if you were to break your fast shortly after the workout then I would go for taking it right after the workout. Then you could really take advantage of the IGF with a large meal causing more activation and growth. But if not then you have the MGF creating new satellite cells that can later be activated by IGF. Once a satellite cell is activated it can no longer split to create new cells. So it is a balance with MGF and IGF to get the most anabolism. Clear as mud? LOL
The middle dose would be best taken as Big T suggests 30-45 minutes prior to your fast breaking meal would be the way to go. Also just so you know GH pulses are short but the benefits from them last hours after it is gone.
mattrag
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believe me Kleen this is clear to me. I've read soo much stuff and there is always stuff to learn! You have probably forgotten more than I know!
I remember reading that preworkout fat meals blunt the GH response. Should've put two and two together to realize that the GH would be blunted. I think I was thinking in more of the delivery of the two ingredients not the actual secretion of hormones. but I should have known that ingesting of fat to transport/slow delivery of the ingredients would be pretty lame if by doing it that way DECREASED their effectiveness....
Good to know about the Glutamine. I know glutamine increases GH in some cases but I kinda stopped supplementing too much extra glutamine as I hear it can bloat your intestines at a really high dose. Wanted to lay off to see if i noticed anything. I know it calms the intestines and is really vital for gut health as well. 2g seems like a reasonable dose... Seeing I was taking anywhere between 20-50g before....
mattrag
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Thanks for following!
mattrag
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Omg today was the most intense day of judo ever. I was soaked. Even though it's getting cooler I was burning up!!
One combustion and two endosurge and I had the best training day yet. I was sweating five times more than most ppl there and I sweated the most yet.
Good training day for judo. Got my pull day tomorrow. Hopefully it doesn't rain because I need the ledge outside to do pull ups. I can't really workout in my house if I'm soaked.
So far combustion is the best energy supp I've taken yet. Perfect for cutting. Allows me to function on low cals. And allows me to tap extra energy sources.
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One combustion and two endosurge and I had the best training day yet. I was sweating five times more than most ppl there and I sweated the most yet.
Good training day for judo. Got my pull day tomorrow. Hopefully it doesn't rain because I need the ledge outside to do pull ups. I can't really workout in my house if I'm soaked.
So far combustion is the best energy supp I've taken yet. Perfect for cutting. Allows me to function on low cals. And allows me to tap extra energy sources.
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mattrag
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Mrodz said:Hi!! just got here lol, haven't been able to read the whole 9 pages yet but wanted to get a post in to get subbed. sry so late
Thanks for stopping by!!
I actually am only in day 5 if the actual products so your not late at all! Gonna be a good max week next week though!!
Thanks for the reps!!
mattrag
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Wow. Went to give blood today and apparently last time I gave in march my AST levels were 70. Well either AST or ALT. Probably because I came from lifting.
Today it was less. Or it should have been as they said if it was that high they'd have to reject me.
I will give a blood lipid and liver value when I get the results from today. Same situation though. Worked out then came to give blood. So nothing changed except my acknowledgment of my food allergies.
Workout today.
As Kleen suggested I did the pull ups by fives.
20 sets of 5.
Did every rep full blast and controlled down.
Took my 21 mins. Down 4 mins from last week.
My hands are sooo sore because of judo I decided to post pone it till tomorrow and do one legged squat practice. 6 sets of 5 for each leg.
Good workout. Happy about the pull ups. Not so happy about my sleep last night. I was sooo hungry and sore lol.
Today I gotta try eat a little more food.
Tomorrow is bent over rows and gonna give the posterior chain 1 arm rows a go.
Today it was less. Or it should have been as they said if it was that high they'd have to reject me.
I will give a blood lipid and liver value when I get the results from today. Same situation though. Worked out then came to give blood. So nothing changed except my acknowledgment of my food allergies.
Workout today.
As Kleen suggested I did the pull ups by fives.
20 sets of 5.
Did every rep full blast and controlled down.
Took my 21 mins. Down 4 mins from last week.
My hands are sooo sore because of judo I decided to post pone it till tomorrow and do one legged squat practice. 6 sets of 5 for each leg.
Good workout. Happy about the pull ups. Not so happy about my sleep last night. I was sooo hungry and sore lol.
Today I gotta try eat a little more food.
Tomorrow is bent over rows and gonna give the posterior chain 1 arm rows a go.
steppinRazor
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Nice sets of pull ups man..in don't thinkn I could hit 100 to save my life haha..what exactly do your judo classes pertain of?
packers6211
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Def good on the pull ups! I hate those I mean freaking hate em cause it's my weakest link!!! Your insane bro one Judo session would put me down a week lol.
mattrag
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Warm up is like rolling, then doing practice throws, throwing, then sparing.
The main part is the sparing. Usually 10 rounds of 3 minutes with 45 s breaks. That wears the crap out of me... probably burn up like 1000 cals or more in that 1.5 hour session.
mattrag
Legend
They were my main problem before. I couldnt even do ONE a couple years back. Now I can say they are my favorite exercise lo.
mattrag
Legend
Wanted to do some pulling today as I feel my legs needed a break. Yesterday was a rest day but still felt kinda beat up.
Decided to save my lower back from a Max squat day to avoid injury. Gonna aim for my max squat day tomorrow.
Todays WO
Bent over rows
BarX10
135X10
185X10
225X7
245X5
245X5
245X5
245X5
245X5
245X5
245X5
245X5
245X5
245X5 > 225X6 > 185X10 > 135X20 (sick ass drop set)
Pendalay rows
135X5
155X5
175X5 (PR)
175X5
175X5
Posterior chain 1 arm rows.
16kgsX10
16kgsX10
16kgsX10
16kgsX10
16kgsX10
Roman DL
135X10
135X10
135X10
Great workout getting a lot stronger on pulling again. The posterior chain pulls are great. Thats pretty much the same movement I need for pulling in the opponent in my standup for Judo.
Tonite Im going to try practice my Clean again. probably add in some posterior chain work. A little heavier Romans, and maybe practice some front squats and prep my cns for tomorrow big squat day.
Small note: Ive noticed recently (well the past 2 times after my break from it) that when I dose Lit-up my stomach gets irritated and I have to take a crap for about 45mins. Well not that long, take one, then wait around 15-30mins then I have to go again. I was wondering if this is the dreaded DAA intestinal irritation I heard about? Anyone else notice some stomach discomfort on DAA?
Decided to save my lower back from a Max squat day to avoid injury. Gonna aim for my max squat day tomorrow.
Todays WO
Bent over rows
BarX10
135X10
185X10
225X7
245X5
245X5
245X5
245X5
245X5
245X5
245X5
245X5
245X5
245X5 > 225X6 > 185X10 > 135X20 (sick ass drop set)
Pendalay rows
135X5
155X5
175X5 (PR)
175X5
175X5
Posterior chain 1 arm rows.
16kgsX10
16kgsX10
16kgsX10
16kgsX10
16kgsX10
Roman DL
135X10
135X10
135X10
Great workout getting a lot stronger on pulling again. The posterior chain pulls are great. Thats pretty much the same movement I need for pulling in the opponent in my standup for Judo.
Tonite Im going to try practice my Clean again. probably add in some posterior chain work. A little heavier Romans, and maybe practice some front squats and prep my cns for tomorrow big squat day.
Small note: Ive noticed recently (well the past 2 times after my break from it) that when I dose Lit-up my stomach gets irritated and I have to take a crap for about 45mins. Well not that long, take one, then wait around 15-30mins then I have to go again. I was wondering if this is the dreaded DAA intestinal irritation I heard about? Anyone else notice some stomach discomfort on DAA?
mattrag
Legend
haha thanks man!!!
DAA makes me hungry... Im going to dose DAA bulk from NP to see if I get the same problems lol.
Small update. Decided to pull back on the volume yesterday as I was feeling pretty beat. I think the extra judo sessions I added pulled the Over Training switch. So Im pulling back this week a bit on the volume of the accessory. Max Effort week so Im just going to add 1-2 accessories and go all out on my main lifts and my judo.
Took some pics today. 1 week in to the stack so not to much as far as results but should be good. I havent really looked at the pics but I think its going well. I feel leaner. Decided im doing away with the scale weight obsession too lol. No more weigh ins!
VolcomX311
Legend
My old roommate did Jiu Jitsu and his Gi would stink up the entire apartment from how drenched that thing would get.
mattrag
Legend
Dude I know.... that sh1t just gets STINK. I tried febreeze, hanging it in the sun... NOTHING makes it smell better cept some bleach and the washer. But kinda hard when I roll 3 days a week.... and drying it takes like 2 days... (I got no dryer ; ; )
VolcomX311
Legend
I don't know how intense Judo is, do you guys roll like BJJ'ists? Or do you mostly grapple standing until someone is tossed? I've done Aikido, but I put Judo way ahead of Aikido in martial legitimacy. There isn't any real mono a mono in Aikido, just, let me practice this move without resistance and make sure you know how to react when I apply this move.
mattrag
Legend
VolcomX311 said:
We practice equal rounds of each. 5 rounds of 4 mind with 45s breaks of standup. Randori so it's all out fight. Then 5 rounds of ground work.
Before that we do drills. 5x10 for form practice. Then 5x5 for throw. Then one round each of attacker/defender before the real fighting.
I'm training with high schoolers. Their recovery is insane. But then again they not cutting. And they have more test than I have. I hope anyway lol.
packers6211
Well-known member
Dang brother nice rows!! Row row row your boat lol. Solid and crazy with the Judo. I need to get into a high intesne cardion myself.
VolcomX311
Legend
lol, so true. High Schoolers and their optimal testosterone levels.
mattrag
Legend
packers6211 said:
I found that my back and over all pulling needed work so im working in that lol.
True the training is insane!! I love it. Much more fulfilling than running or sprinting.
Maybe if I had a sled to pull I'd say otherwise but this has been the most intense cardio I've had yet!!
thetinyguy
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High school diet for me consisted of Chinese takeout, hot and ready pizza's and various other things that included bacon. Ohhhh those times haha
I skated a lot back then so i was super skinny so it's actually "good" i tried to get some cals in with how much activity i did.
thetinyguy
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There was a time i ALMOST got into training, i was seriously sooo close and i was around 14. My dad had an entire gym setup in the basement i mean everything. DB rack to like 100, a ton of free weights and a couple of machines like lat pull down pec dec etc. I started doing a few things for a week or so and the soreness drove me into the ground. It just felt like too much too soon, i didn't realize you have to eat more and all this stuff. When my dad explained it all too me i was overwhelmed which made me scared. So if i would have had pushed through that i would be sitting here talking to you at a ripped 250+ haha. Oh the possibilities....man that would have been 8 years of training :shocked:
mattrag
Legend
thetinyguy said:
Omg. When I was a sophomore in high school. I was like 260 lbs. Fat as hell. I went to try outs for football with a buddy of mine. One day of training and I was beat. I stayed with it for about two weeks. Dreaded it everyday. Then conditioning. I quit. Haha. If I stayed with it I'm sure I'd be 200lbs shredded by now lol. That'd be 12 years of training.
Wish the coach would have told us we needed to eat better and we need to eat more. Sigh.
thetinyguy
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Time to make a time machine?... haha we'd be kings! I went through bball conditioning once and it was ridiculous, next day i couldn't walk. 3rd day i pushed myself really really hard and i was breathing heavily, some d-bag took my gatorade while i was running so i had nothing to drink and the coach said i wasn't fit for it. Explained to him about my gatorade and he didn't listen. What a dick!
thetinyguy
Well-known member
Agree with ya on that! I'd tell myself to take a challenge and begin bodybuilding despite how skinny i was and that one day it would turn me into a walking super-hero.
mattrag
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Agree with ya on that! I'd tell myself to take a challenge and begin bodybuilding despite how skinny i was and that one day it would turn me into a walking super-hero.
Thats the goal man!!!
Become a walking super-hero!!
mattrag
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Workout
Box Squat Max E
WU
barX10
95X10
95X10
115X5
Working set
125X5
145X3
165X10 (yes 10) PR. I have never box squated more than 155. This whole workout was done beltless as well. ;D
Also, did one set of 135 ATG squat for 5 reps.
Judo practice today went well too. Just under an hour of ground work and stand up. Did some abs/oblique work after too.
EndoSurge 1 week review:
EndoSurge so far has been great. My dreams, though not AMAZING, are definitely more vivid. I feel that my back has grown (crazy really as I thought my back grew last time I was on bulk because my back was laggin.), definitely seeing more definition in my shoulders. Strength is way up, as well as aggression. During judo and during my weight sessions I just wanna kill sh1t. Endurance is up too, but im not so sure if its the EndoSurge or the combustion. Sex drive is up now, noticeably. Definitely feeling more confident all around. Im liking it so far. I should be able to upload pics that I took today soon... but my laptop at work... died...so im going to have to use this super slow net book to resize and upload... Ill do it though! Gotta show the hard work!
Combustion 1 week review: Amazing stuff this combustion. I dont crash off it. I guess I must be one of those gifted few who notices 0 sides from 1,3. well the only side is a good one, appetite suppression. I can eat SO MUCH food that I need appetite suppression any way possible. As far as how it affects me in the gym, I dont notice a lot of heat in the mornings but when I take my second dose around 330 and start judo at 430 I notice that I have more focus, more energy, and a lot more sweat!!!! I always thought 1,3 was a fast acting compound especially on an empty stomach but I somehow think now that it needs more time. I will play around with the dosing later hopefully. I workout in the AM before work so I cant really dose it 1hr prior to my workouts or I will be late for work lol. Still only dosing it at 1 cap in the AM and one in the afternoon. I like it so far.
Over all 1 week review of BPS. I LOVE IT! This is probably the most synergistic BASIC supplement stack I have taken. AnaBeta was good, but I didn't get any of the test boosting effects, or the "heat" PPL claimed to get. Also, while being on PCT black rev I was a little dry in the joints. Though I am still pretty dry now its not the painful joint aches like I usually have on an erase product. The Combustion also doesn't feel like my sweat is chemical.. So far so good. If I could run this for 8 weeks then cycle it back after every 4th week break I'd be in heaven lol. Well, I guess my 4 weeks of break would be 4 weeks of either a PH, or some other natty anabolic.... but Im a supp freak... (trying to kick the habit though, really hard with all these amazing products hitting the market!)
Box Squat Max E
WU
barX10
95X10
95X10
115X5
Working set
125X5
145X3
165X10 (yes 10) PR. I have never box squated more than 155. This whole workout was done beltless as well. ;D
Also, did one set of 135 ATG squat for 5 reps.
Judo practice today went well too. Just under an hour of ground work and stand up. Did some abs/oblique work after too.
EndoSurge 1 week review:
EndoSurge so far has been great. My dreams, though not AMAZING, are definitely more vivid. I feel that my back has grown (crazy really as I thought my back grew last time I was on bulk because my back was laggin.), definitely seeing more definition in my shoulders. Strength is way up, as well as aggression. During judo and during my weight sessions I just wanna kill sh1t. Endurance is up too, but im not so sure if its the EndoSurge or the combustion. Sex drive is up now, noticeably. Definitely feeling more confident all around. Im liking it so far. I should be able to upload pics that I took today soon... but my laptop at work... died...so im going to have to use this super slow net book to resize and upload... Ill do it though! Gotta show the hard work!
Combustion 1 week review: Amazing stuff this combustion. I dont crash off it. I guess I must be one of those gifted few who notices 0 sides from 1,3. well the only side is a good one, appetite suppression. I can eat SO MUCH food that I need appetite suppression any way possible. As far as how it affects me in the gym, I dont notice a lot of heat in the mornings but when I take my second dose around 330 and start judo at 430 I notice that I have more focus, more energy, and a lot more sweat!!!! I always thought 1,3 was a fast acting compound especially on an empty stomach but I somehow think now that it needs more time. I will play around with the dosing later hopefully. I workout in the AM before work so I cant really dose it 1hr prior to my workouts or I will be late for work lol. Still only dosing it at 1 cap in the AM and one in the afternoon. I like it so far.
Over all 1 week review of BPS. I LOVE IT! This is probably the most synergistic BASIC supplement stack I have taken. AnaBeta was good, but I didn't get any of the test boosting effects, or the "heat" PPL claimed to get. Also, while being on PCT black rev I was a little dry in the joints. Though I am still pretty dry now its not the painful joint aches like I usually have on an erase product. The Combustion also doesn't feel like my sweat is chemical.. So far so good. If I could run this for 8 weeks then cycle it back after every 4th week break I'd be in heaven lol. Well, I guess my 4 weeks of break would be 4 weeks of either a PH, or some other natty anabolic.... but Im a supp freak... (trying to kick the habit though, really hard with all these amazing products hitting the market!)
TurningGreen
Well-known member
Awesome review bro! I can see an endosurge LOG in my future!
packers6211
Well-known member
Glad to see it working for you brother I told you so lol. Endosurge has become one of my all time favorites. Solid workout and man I need to find someone around here that knows Judo!!!
packers6211
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Time Machine bro send my sweet A$$ back to 2001 21 yrs old 170lbs benching 350lb off Xenadrine RFA-1 Creatine and Whey. I'd buy every freaking available bottle of Xenadrine!! Freaking A now you got me pump up again and wanting to hit the boxing bag. Every punch I'd scream F the FDA!!!!