Mattrag and MankoOyaji's leanville quest with Mdrol/AH

[Sourdough]

The mdrol.. I donno... haha Manko is dying... lethargy, hunger, muscles tight... me... I only feelin the balls shrinking... and the weight gain... I dont feel lethargic, my BP actually went DOWN... Like I said the lethargy was from the cold turkey caffeine and stim cut... Im wondering why... Manko got like 10kgs on me so I figure he would be feeling this less than me... sigh... CAN you be unresponsive to sdrol?!!

Some people just respond better then others and done don't get sides as easily as another...

Is manko taking androhard as well? That would def aid in making the cycle pleasant. Is he also only running 10mg sd?

 

[RickRock13]

I can completely relate to everything you are going through with your SD bro. Some people really respond well to it while some of us don't. I'm also one of those that don't respond well to it which sucks. I ran SD and got some weight gain (around 6-7 lbs) which was water I'm sure, but I didn't see much at all in strength or size. As soon as I bridged into EPI I started blowing up and pushing big weight up though. I got zero sides on SD, even at 30mg, and tried two different clones that didn't make a difference. So I can relate bro!

 

[Srt4Muscle]

def bump up to 20 for a week or two give it a real shot. You said u got some good strength going, 20mg is way different than 10mg in my book. And hey if u want u can pick up some Epi last minute and run a 10 weeker like me : ) ah haha

 

[cardiobro]

def bump up to 20 for a week or two give it a real shot. You said u got some good strength going, 20mg is way different than 10mg in my book. And hey if u want u can pick up some Epi last minute and run a 10 weeker like me : ) ah haha

10 weeks of orals?!!??!!? geeze dude hahahahaha


Matt, if you have enough and you are feeling good- bump it up to 20/30! Make the most out of it in my opinion!!

 

[Diabolik]

Um cause other people were bull****ting I say, I got two packets right here that im pissed about cause im pretty sure it's a bunk product. Lol

Thanks for the support in my log matt, keep it up bro your strength is sick with it!!"

Well I"m glad to know I'm not the only one. People on another forum that I won't mention, were trying to chalk it up to me just not training right or that I was just lying. Bull****, I took that crap at 12mgs and felt not a damn thing. If it's legit, at that dose, I should experience something regardless of my training.

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Well I"m glad to know I'm not the only one. People on another forum that I won't mention, were trying to chalk it up to me just not training right or that I was just lying. Bull****, I took that crap at 12mgs and felt not a damn thing. If it's legit, at that dose, I should experience something regardless of my training.

YYeahh all I remember seeing from a run of boladrol was I lost a couple pounds while eating enough for two bodybuilders lol. Can't remember my dosage but I know I was well beyond recommended dose.
SD is where its at!

 

[Srt4Muscle]

10 weeks of orals?!!??!!? geeze dude hahahahaha

Matt, if you have enough and you are feeling good- bump it up to 20/30! Make the most out of it in my opinion!!

Lol don't judge me... I would stay at 20 mg if you don't make gains with that 30 isn't gonna help. Back pumps get sick with 30mg for me, benefit does not out weigh risk either. I would rather run a extra week at 20 then one week at 30.

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

I'm sure you've already stated this, but are you dosing your AH and mdrol around the same time? The delivery technology of the androseries should help better utilize your mdrol.
I have to make sure not to take in any caffeine within an hour after any androseries orals otherwise I about have a heart attack.

 

[mattrag]

Congrats on the PRs broseph. I don't see why it's not possible to be unresponsive to SD. Everybody's different. I ran Boladrol and felt absolutely nothing at all while other people seemed to love it.

Thanks man! THough I heard boladrol was a fluke... Honestly I cant really feel ANYTHING.. well aside from the nut shrinkage and killed libido. No lethargy, no pumps, no nothing...

Um cause other people were bull****ting I say, I got two packets right here that im pissed about cause im pretty sure it's a bunk product. Lol

Thanks for the support in my log matt, keep it up bro your strength is sick with it!!"

Sorry for so much clutter in here lol. My strength has always been pretty impressive... Well amongst body builders, but manko used to life for powerlifting... he has about 200lbs on my on both squat and deadlift...

Ditto!

FL3X your pretty damn strong too...

Some people just respond better then others and done don't get sides as easily as another...

Is manko taking androhard as well? That would def aid in making the cycle pleasant. Is he also only running 10mg sd?

Yea we both are taking andro hard and running at 10mgs. Though he said he is going to bump it up to 20mgs the last 2 weeks. I might try to bump it up to 20 on week 4 if I still dont feel anything this week. We both take it WITH mdrol.

I can completely relate to everything you are going through with your SD bro. Some people really respond well to it while some of us don't. I'm also one of those that don't respond well to it which sucks. I ran SD and got some weight gain (around 6-7 lbs) which was water I'm sure, but I didn't see much at all in strength or size. As soon as I bridged into EPI I started blowing up and pushing big weight up though. I got zero sides on SD, even at 30mg, and tried two different clones that didn't make a difference. So I can relate bro!

Maybe I need to just try running other orals... sigh... I should bridge this baby into 11-oxo!

10 weeks of orals?!!??!!? geeze dude hahahahaha


Matt, if you have enough and you are feeling good- bump it up to 20/30! Make the most out of it in my opinion!!

Yea but I wanted to try and run this for at least 6 weeks... I didnt want to waste a PCT on a 4 weeker... haha! Plus I hear gains are better if you go longer (Well so it the body damage)

Well I"m glad to know I'm not the only one. People on another forum that I won't mention, were trying to chalk it up to me just not training right or that I was just lying. Bull****, I took that crap at 12mgs and felt not a damn thing. If it's legit, at that dose, I should experience something regardless of my training.

heheh... yea some stuff is just hype...

YYeahh all I remember seeing from a run of boladrol was I lost a couple pounds while eating enough for two bodybuilders lol. Can't remember my dosage but I know I was well beyond recommended dose.
SD is where its at!

Damn you ran that too?! LOL

Lol don't judge me... I would stay at 20 mg if you don't make gains with that 30 isn't gonna help. Back pumps get sick with 30mg for me, benefit does not out weigh risk either. I would rather run a extra week at 20 then one week at 30.

I like your 11 week cycle. I would do it if my liver was sacrificial.

 

[mattrag]

I'm sure you've already stated this, but are you dosing your AH and mdrol around the same time? The delivery technology of the androseries should help better utilize your mdrol.
I have to make sure not to take in any caffeine within an hour after any androseries orals otherwise I about have a heart attack.

yup, all in one gulp

I take ALL my supps with the AndroHard. Well all that I am taking now aside from the liver stuff which I take at night.

 

[bigdavid]

yup, all in one gulp

I take ALL my supps with the AndroHard. Well all that I am taking now aside from the liver stuff which I take at night.

I am excited to try my hdrol with androhard for the absorption plus the aggression hehe gona be fun. Also decided on a 9 weeker not 8 this **** gona be cray.

 

[Manko Oyaji]

Man that day was pretty draining. Was discouraged cause my arms weren't 18 inches like I wanted.
I have been busy pulling extremely long days. I don't get home till 11:45 so I think it's
Affecting me. Today I managed to squat 515 for 5 with decent form and knee
Wraps. I'll get all my sad measurements and starting and week 3 pic up tomorrow .

Quick notes from this weekend's workout


I got 295x5 for bench (PR)
335x5 for conventional deads (PR)

My workout was as follows

Deadlift/Bench press
5x5 style

Incline bench db/DB bent over rows
4x10 (worked up to 46kgs per db)

Machine rows/pull ups/dips
5x10 (Rows were about 160lbs per side, pull ups and dips were bodyweight. )

tricep push downs/hammer curls
4x20 (push downs were pretty light, still did each set to failure. Hammers/Pinwheels were done at 28kgs)

ab crunches/lower back extension
4x15 (31kgs of resistance for abs, and 10kgs held on the extensions)

Was a good workout. Liking supersetting. maybe not super setting the deads and the bench... but it was more like we had a lot of ppl and just rotated the two exercises. Not a true superset. But everything else I pretty much did with very little rest. Good fun.

Still confused on workout... Ill probably just continue on.

 

[Srt4Muscle]

man i want some 18's, how long ago did you have 16's lol thats where im at...

 

[mattrag]

Man that day was pretty draining. Was discouraged cause my arms weren't 18 inches like I wanted.
I have been busy pulling extremely long days. I don't get home till 11:45 so I think it's
Affecting me. Today I managed to squat 515 for 5 with decent form and knee
Wraps. I'll get all my sad measurements and starting and week 3 pic up tomorrow .

not to mention your 26 plate leg presses for 12-13 reps...

Damn I donno why I cant lift heavy. Im seriously considering jumping to mdrol 20mgs on workout days this week, then 20mgs next week then just running AHv2 at around 10 caps a day for the last 2 weeks. I split my strength and hypertrophy sessions. And tonight I actually failed my shoulder press lifts from last week... which is a decrease in strength. Could be just a sticking point for me but still.. I did them last week... and I am damn sure not under fed...

 

[Torobestia]

Looks like the mdrol is treating you mighty well, matt. Awesome workouts!

 

[mattrag]

Looks like the mdrol is treating you mighty well, matt. Awesome workouts!

treating me well.. but not giving me anything lol.

Manko is getting some AMAZING gains. im actually going down in lifts. I got some good progress yesterday.. but today was horrible. Hopefully tomorrow i can hit it hard.

 

[Diabolik]

Just keep up the good work man. It's all a learning experience for all of us, now you know how you react to Mdrol. Hopefully upping the dose will yield some gains. You're still kickin ass regardless, but I know how frustrating it can be to plan a cycle and expect gains and feel nothing. I put a lot of time and effort into my Bola cycle all for nothing. I was pretty pissed off and felt like I deserved a refund. Like I said, just keep hittin it hard and don't let it mess with you mentally. Keep your mind focused on your goal, I think the mind has A LOT to do with it bro.

 

[mattrag]

Just keep up the good work man. It's all a learning experience for all of us, now you know how you react to Mdrol. Hopefully upping the dose will yield some gains. You're still kickin ass regardless, but I know how frustrating it can be to plan a cycle and expect gains and feel nothing. I put a lot of time and effort into my Bola cycle all for nothing. I was pretty pissed off and felt like I deserved a refund. Like I said, just keep hittin it hard and don't let it mess with you mentally. Keep your mind focused on your goal, I think the mind has A LOT to do with it bro.

I guess Ill just keep trying to cut/recomp. I am pretty sure I am getting mentally screwed as well lol. Dieting for this long is pretty dang rough...

THanks for the encouragement bro!

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Its all about sticking to a plan!!!!

 

[bigdavid]

Im really bad at sticking to one plan lol

 

[Sourdough]

Meh if sides aren't an issue, supports are in place....take er to 20mg and let's see what it brings!

still taking any creatine matt? If take some within an your of mdrol with carbs.... I think you'll be pleased with the effects. Also if you go to 20, I'd split the dose, not take it at once.

 

[RickRock13]

Meh if sides aren't an issue, supports are in place....take er to 20mg and let's see what it brings!

still taking any creatine matt? If take some within an your of mdrol with carbs.... I think you'll be pleased with the effects. Also if you go to 20, I'd split the dose, not take it at once.

This is what i would do too. I say go to 20mg at split doses. If you aren't taking creatine, get on it. Its much more beneficial on cycle!!

 

[mattrag]

Im really bad at sticking to one plan lol

Its all about sticking to a plan!!!!

Yea gotta cut a bit more.

 

[mattrag]

Meh if sides aren't an issue, supports are in place....take er to 20mg and let's see what it brings!

still taking any creatine matt? If take some within an your of mdrol with carbs.... I think you'll be pleased with the effects. Also if you go to 20, I'd split the dose, not take it at once.

Always taking creatine
Seen that video about absorption? Do you think it has to be fully disolved? Ill dose it with my morning meal tomorrow and see if it pumps me up. Going for around 60g protein, 50g carbs, and 10g fat for breakfast tomorrow. Same as usual.

This is what i would do too. I say go to 20mg at split doses. If you aren't taking creatine, get on it. Its much more beneficial on cycle!!

Alright! Ill start taking more! hehehe. How much a day you guys suggest? 5gs good enough? Or should I shoot for more?

 

[Onlychevy6]

5gs should be fine. Some take 10. But I think sticking with 5 is the ticket.

 

[RickRock13]

I always do 5g whether on cycle or not.

 

[NuclearLaunch]

Why creatine on cycle? Won't that just make you hold more water weight?

 

[VolcomX311]

Why creatine on cycle? Won't that just make you hold more water weight?

Creatine goes well with anything because it does nothing to disrupt hormonal balances, you get the added power from the increased ATP pool and it's a win/win all around. You get the added potential for increased intensity from the creatine with the added recovery (and further added strength) from the cycle. It's not like all creatine is good for is adding water weight. The added strength from cycles are hormone based, but the strength effects from creatine have nothing to do with hormones, but molecules (adenosine-triphosphates). It's like adding oil to the flame relative to results. I highly recommend it.

 

[bigdavid]

Creatine water is in the muscles it is not extracellular water weight like so many people worry about

 

[Sourdough]

Creatine goes well with anything because it does nothing to disrupt hormonal balances, you get the added power from the increased ATP pool and it's a win/win all around. You get the added potential for increased intensity from the creatine with the added recovery (and further added strength) from the cycle. It's not like all creatine is good for is adding water weight. The added strength from cycles are hormone based, but the strength effects from creatine have nothing to do with hormones, but molecules (adenosine-triphosphates). It's like adding oil to the flame relative to results. I highly recommend it.

THIS^^^


And its sad to see that folks think that just cause they go on cycle they should cease use of all natty supps.... hormones dont take the place of these, personally considered, essential supplements;

Creatine (building block for MAIN source of energy in the body, ATP. Also aids in increased cellular hydration and subsequent increase in nutrient retention)

Beta Alanine (and subsequent Carnosine accrual. The benefits to increased levels of Carnosine health and sports wise seem endless, read up. In relation to Taurine, Carnosine is present in a higher ratio in typeII muscle fibers and plays a direct role in buffering lactic acid and increasing strength/endurance)

Taurine (The partner beta-Amino to Carnosine, Taurine plays key roles in increased cellular hydration and intracellular electrolyte retention which can make back pumps and muscle cramps much less likely. In relation to Carnosine, it is present in a higher ratio in typeI muscle fibers. Supplementing Taurine concurrently with Beta Alanine can help diminish the possible issues of Taurine Depletion.)

Carnitine (preferred form is LCLT for me, Its proven to increase recovery, Spares Androgen receptors from damage/deactivation that occurs from resistance training which upregulates the amount present in muslces, aids in the conversion of Creatine to ATP, increased cAMP and subsequent fat burning, offers protective antioxidant effects)

Fish Oils (aids in keeping healthy period; brain, heart, eyesight etc. I shouldnt need to elaborate but namely in the case of being on cycle it will aid in keeping cholesterol levels at a preferential state and helps with keeping your heart healthy as a result)




The benefits both health and sports supplementation wise from these few supps are unparallelled except only possibly from each other, lol, which is why I thought it a good point to bring them all up now(with the thought creatine is unnecessary on cycle). I would never neglect taking these supps on cycle, they will indeed optimize the results that you are already getting and can all be used in long enough "cycles" that they dont NEED to be "saved" for PCT, but will continue to be just as effective throughout the entire cycle AND PCT.


I know Matt is keen to this fact, so sorry for being preachy in your log bro, but just figured Id let the others reading in on the info :thumbsup:

 

[NuclearLaunch]

THIS^^^

And its sad to see that folks think that just cause they go on cycle they should cease use of all natty supps.... hormones dont take the place of these, personally considered, essential supplements;

Creatine (building block for MAIN source of energy in the body, ATP. Also aids in increased cellular hydration and subsequent increase in nutrient retention)

Beta Alanine (and subsequent Carnosine accrual. The benefits to increased levels of Carnosine health and sports wise seem endless, read up. In relation to Taurine, Carnosine is present in a higher ratio in typeII muscle fibers and plays a direct role in buffering lactic acid and increasing strength/endurance)

Taurine (The partner beta-Amino to Carnosine, Taurine plays key roles in increased cellular hydration and intracellular electrolyte retention which can make back pumps and muscle cramps much less likely. In relation to Carnosine, it is present in a higher ratio in typeI muscle fibers. Supplementing Taurine concurrently with Beta Alanine can help diminish the possible issues of Taurine Depletion.)

Carnitine (preferred form is LCLT for me, Its proven to increase recovery, Spares Androgen receptors from damage/deactivation that occurs from resistance training which upregulates the amount present in muslces, aids in the conversion of Creatine to ATP, increased cAMP and subsequent fat burning, offers protective antioxidant effects)

Fish Oils (aids in keeping healthy period; brain, heart, eyesight etc. I shouldnt need to elaborate but namely in the case of being on cycle it will aid in keeping cholesterol levels at a preferential state and helps with keeping your heart healthy as a result)

The benefits both health and sports supplementation wise from these few supps are unparallelled except only possibly from each other, lol, which is why I thought it a good point to bring them all up now(with the thought creatine is unnecessary on cycle). I would never neglect taking these supps on cycle, they will indeed optimize the results that you are already getting and can all be used in long enough "cycles" that they dont NEED to be "saved" for PCT, but will continue to be just as effective throughout the entire cycle AND PCT.

I know Matt is keen to this fact, so sorry for being preachy in your log bro, but just figured Id let the others reading in on the info :thumbsup:

Great info there man. Thanks for that. I never said creatine was unnecessary or bad I just didn't know why. Good post. Great insight.

 

[CountryLiftin]

Creatine is like nectar and ambrosia. Get it. 5g is the sweet spot. I hit a little more on some days. But 5 is my staple and many others. Too much can have undesirable side affects.

 

[mattrag]

Thanks guys! And reps when I hit up a computer.

Yea i get in around 5g a day. And i keep almost all my amino acids in. Along with minerals and such.

Today I'm bumping up the dose to 20mgs cause I kinda forgot if i took my am dose lol. Working out back/bicep/ tricep volume tonight.

Numbers from last night were:

305x4 for bench
315x5 for bent over rows
And I only was able to squat 275x5.

Not bad. But not good either. Lol.

 

[CountryLiftin]

Thanks guys! And reps when I hit up a computer.

Yea i get in around 5g a day. And i keep almost all my amino acids in. Along with minerals and such.

Today I'm bumping up the dose to 20mgs cause I kinda forgot if i took my am dose lol. Working out back/bicep/ tricep volume tonight.

Numbers from last night were:

305x4 for bench
315x5 for bent over rows
And I only was able to squat 275x5.

Not bad. But not good either. Lol.

good numbers! I like to get 7g combined or a few diff types of Creatine. Well dang bench is huge. Get them squats up son! My bench is taking off so I hope to see some good results coming. Next month or two. Even better once my back heals.

 

[mattrag]

good numbers! I like to get 7g combined or a few diff types of Creatine. Well dang bench is huge. Get them squats up son! My bench is taking off so I hope to see some good results coming. Next month or two. Even better once my back heals.

I think it's cause I pulled deads on Sunday. I got 345x5 and then 255 for 5 sets of around 10 reps. My legs are sore. Plus did around two hours of tennis today. Plus my 2 20 min sessions of cardio.

 

[CountryLiftin]

I think it's cause I pulled deads on Sunday. I got 345x5 and then 255 for 5 sets of around 10 reps. My legs are sore. Plus did around two hours of tennis today. Plus my 2 20 min sessions of cardio.

Haha dang man workings legs good. Nice. I'm still impressed by that bench haha you really took off

 

[RickRock13]

THIS^^^

And its sad to see that folks think that just cause they go on cycle they should cease use of all natty supps.... hormones dont take the place of these, personally considered, essential supplements;

Creatine (building block for MAIN source of energy in the body, ATP. Also aids in increased cellular hydration and subsequent increase in nutrient retention)

Beta Alanine (and subsequent Carnosine accrual. The benefits to increased levels of Carnosine health and sports wise seem endless, read up. In relation to Taurine, Carnosine is present in a higher ratio in typeII muscle fibers and plays a direct role in buffering lactic acid and increasing strength/endurance)

Taurine (The partner beta-Amino to Carnosine, Taurine plays key roles in increased cellular hydration and intracellular electrolyte retention which can make back pumps and muscle cramps much less likely. In relation to Carnosine, it is present in a higher ratio in typeI muscle fibers. Supplementing Taurine concurrently with Beta Alanine can help diminish the possible issues of Taurine Depletion.)

Carnitine (preferred form is LCLT for me, Its proven to increase recovery, Spares Androgen receptors from damage/deactivation that occurs from resistance training which upregulates the amount present in muslces, aids in the conversion of Creatine to ATP, increased cAMP and subsequent fat burning, offers protective antioxidant effects)

Fish Oils (aids in keeping healthy period; brain, heart, eyesight etc. I shouldnt need to elaborate but namely in the case of being on cycle it will aid in keeping cholesterol levels at a preferential state and helps with keeping your heart healthy as a result)

The benefits both health and sports supplementation wise from these few supps are unparallelled except only possibly from each other, lol, which is why I thought it a good point to bring them all up now(with the thought creatine is unnecessary on cycle). I would never neglect taking these supps on cycle, they will indeed optimize the results that you are already getting and can all be used in long enough "cycles" that they dont NEED to be "saved" for PCT, but will continue to be just as effective throughout the entire cycle AND PCT.

I know Matt is keen to this fact, so sorry for being preachy in your log bro, but just figured Id let the others reading in on the info :thumbsup:

:goodpost:

 

[LiveToLift]

THIS^^^


And its sad to see that folks think that just cause they go on cycle they should cease use of all natty supps.... hormones dont take the place of these, personally considered, essential supplements;

Creatine (building block for MAIN source of energy in the body, ATP. Also aids in increased cellular hydration and subsequent increase in nutrient retention)

Beta Alanine (and subsequent Carnosine accrual. The benefits to increased levels of Carnosine health and sports wise seem endless, read up. In relation to Taurine, Carnosine is present in a higher ratio in typeII muscle fibers and plays a direct role in buffering lactic acid and increasing strength/endurance)

Taurine (The partner beta-Amino to Carnosine, Taurine plays key roles in increased cellular hydration and intracellular electrolyte retention which can make back pumps and muscle cramps much less likely. In relation to Carnosine, it is present in a higher ratio in typeI muscle fibers. Supplementing Taurine concurrently with Beta Alanine can help diminish the possible issues of Taurine Depletion.)

Carnitine (preferred form is LCLT for me, Its proven to increase recovery, Spares Androgen receptors from damage/deactivation that occurs from resistance training which upregulates the amount present in muslces, aids in the conversion of Creatine to ATP, increased cAMP and subsequent fat burning, offers protective antioxidant effects)

Fish Oils (aids in keeping healthy period; brain, heart, eyesight etc. I shouldnt need to elaborate but namely in the case of being on cycle it will aid in keeping cholesterol levels at a preferential state and helps with keeping your heart healthy as a result)




The benefits both health and sports supplementation wise from these few supps are unparallelled except only possibly from each other, lol, which is why I thought it a good point to bring them all up now(with the thought creatine is unnecessary on cycle). I would never neglect taking these supps on cycle, they will indeed optimize the results that you are already getting and can all be used in long enough "cycles" that they dont NEED to be "saved" for PCT, but will continue to be just as effective throughout the entire cycle AND PCT.


I know Matt is keen to this fact, so sorry for being preachy in your log bro, but just figured Id let the others reading in on the info :thumbsup:

Good post bro, very informative!

 

[mattrag]

Good job SD, You are the man!!! Anyway, I bumped it up to 20mgs yesterday. Today is back down to 10mgs. Im pulsing on WO days. Well BIG workout days. Today I am feeling SUPER pumped, alive, strong, hungry... damn I hit the mark here! haha! Going to lift now. My sumo deadlift day. Oh yes. I am not sure if I am going to rest tomorrow or not, depends if it snows, but if I do lift I am going to hit another 20mgs tomorrow.... Wanted to dose double today... but lol. I shouldnt

 

[Sourdough]

idk... if your lifting today, especially deads... id take the second cap... save the single cap days for first thing in the morning on days completely taken off if your gonna do that....

JMO as you werent really feeling it before... but you are now, and you say your feelin great today, youll want to keep that going if your going to really lift tomorrow, youll want to feel like that again, not down from taking less the day before...

I just dont like the idea of yoyo'ing the steroid levels like that, Id pick the dose n go with it for a while, see how it treats you. You seem to be handling it very well as it is right now.

 

[mattrag]

idk... if your lifting today, especially deads... id take the second cap... save the single cap days for first thing in the morning on days completely taken off if your gonna do that....

JMO as you werent really feeling it before... but you are now, and you say your feelin great today, youll want to keep that going if your going to really lift tomorrow, youll want to feel like that again, not down from taking less the day before...

I just dont like the idea of yoyo'ing the steroid levels like that, Id pick the dose n go with it for a while, see how it treats you. You seem to be handling it very well as it is right now.

Yea I just thought about that, Im going to start up the 20mgs again. AM, then one pre workout 1hr after the meal b4 the workout.

 

[Srt4Muscle]

I agreed stay at 20

 

[mattrag]

Dang I thought I updated yesterday... Anyway, Yesterday I hit deads and shoulders. Shoulders went from "Hmm, Ill do power" to "Yea.. my tweaking forearm is probably not good so ill just rep it out". Sumos were great!

Standing Shoulder press

95x5
115x5
135x12
135x8
135x10

Calf raises with bar on back

135x20
185x20
275x20
295x20
295x20

Sumo deads

135x5
185x5
275x5
345x5
365x5 PR Haha, last week I did 345 this week I did 365... dang

reps

275x8
275x10
275x11
275x8
275x10

Added 30lbs to this rep lift. I am probably going to stay here this next week. If my arms feel okay I may try to hit 385 next week and rep out this again. Depends how 20mgs treats me.

Today I did some back and shoulders at the gym for reps

Nothing really remarkable.

Wide lat pulls
4x10
Reverse lat pulls
4x10
Close grip Cable rows
5x10
Hammer strength rows (hold top)
3x10
Stiff arm pull downs (for lats)
7x12

Shoulders

DB seated press (in KGs)
22x10
26x10
28x10
30x10
30x10

Front lateral raises/side
8kgsx10
8kgsx10
8kgsx10

Rear delt raises
5x12

Face pulls

7x15

Then did 20mins cardio.

Pretty good. Today cals are pretty much on the hella low end as I got up at 1030am haha! so that is like minus 2 meals already... oh well Ill hit 6 meals at least. Not the usual 7.

 

[RickRock13]

Great workout man and nice job on the sumo deads! Keep killing it!

 

[mattrag]

Great workout man and nice job on the sumo deads! Keep killing it!

Thanks!!

Hows the warrior workout treating you?
I am thinking about giving it a go after my joints heal out from this... I need to mix up the high rep/low rep I find cause my joints are on the verge of breaking... hhehe.

 

[RickRock13]

Thanks!!

Hows the warrior workout treating you?
I am thinking about giving it a go after my joints heal out from this... I need to mix up the high rep/low rep I find cause my joints are on the verge of breaking... hhehe.

I'm not doing it yet, but will be sometime after PCT when I switch to recomp. For now its just mostly maintaining gains. My joints are a little taxed right now too, so i feel ya there.

 

[mattrag]

I'm not doing it yet, but will be sometime after PCT when I switch to recomp. For now its just mostly maintaining gains. My joints are a little taxed right now too, so i feel ya there.

Awesome, I will be checking that when you get it up. Till then its just your standard bb/hypertrophy split eh?

 

[mattrag]

Update. We are closing in on week 3. I actually have very little to report in sides.. No lethargy, no high BP, no irritability, libido loss for sure, pissing a lot (could be that I have upped my water intake to around 2.5 gallons a day though ). Also, I have added in TT33. I take 4-5 a day. Between meals and before I eat my breakfast and before bed.

Manko on the other hand is experiencing hella sides. Lethargy, libido loss, headaches. He is thinking about aborting as well because he got sick. Im going to give him some Transaderm (left over from the log with NTBM). Hopefully it helps. I upped it to 20mgs for yesterday and 2 days before that. Going to stick to 20mgs for the next week. Hopefully my liver doesnt fall out.

My diet is pretty consistant.

300g protein, 100g carbs (cept on 2 days of the week where I take in around 250gs), 50-60g fats.

Its pretty basic. Might up the protein a bit. I feel I am retaining water... STILL.

So here's the supp list

Day 18~
20mgs Mdrol/6 caps of AH.


Just took my pre workout (Im doing a review for this one, just a sample pack I got from nutra so we will see how good it is ) Look for it later. Ive been getting board so I am thinking of stealing AutoKal47's battle of the pre workouts seeing I wont run agamatine till PCT (via SourDough's suggestion).

Today is legs. On tap (since im home and didnt get to go gym like I wanted to because... well its cold and I hate it)

ATG squats
10x12

Bulgarian
10x12

BW lunges

5x10

Arms

4 super setted exercises.

LETS HIT IT!

 

[AaronJP1]

Sorry I've been MIA but I know u guys are doing work in here so carry on

 

[mattrag]

Squats

45x12
135x12
135x12
155x12
175x12
185x12
195x12
205x12
215x12
225x12

Front squats/bulgarian squats (BW)

135x10/10
135x10/10
135x10/10
135x10/10
135x10/10

SLDL

135x12
185x12
185x12

Arms.

Reverse EZ bar curl/Tricep Ban OH ext
40x15/max tensionx15
40x15/max tensionx15
40x15/max tensionx15
40x15/max tensionx15
40x15/max tensionx15

CG bench/EZ bar curl
45x15/40x15
115x10/60x15
165x10/60x15
165x8/60x15

BBcurl/Skull crusher
45x15/40x15
55x15/50x15
65x15/50x15
65x15/50x15

21s / OH tricep ext

50lbs / 50x15
50lbs / 50x15
50lbs / 50x15