Mattrag and MankoOyaji's leanville quest with Mdrol/AH

FL3X MAGNUM said:
The way I see the AH and strong methyl stack is the methyl pretty much makes a strong yet slightly fluffy mass, while the AH keeps gyno at bay and aggression high. Then when the methyl is cut out, the AH builds a solid "shield" around that fluffy strong mass. It compacts the internals of the mass, and hardens the surface. Lol :)
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I like this take in andro hard. Lol


Small update. Weight was at 96kgs this morning. Which is pretty crazy. I'm looking a tad bit puffy but I don't feel any fatter. Today is a lower carb day so let's see what the scale says tomorrow. Hopefully I don't drop below 95.
Cals today will be something like:
300 p
30 c
100 f

Low carb day. Plus high volume workout. Should be fun. :). I'm feeling hella strong though.
 
Ah. Before I forget. Top sets yesterday were:


335x3 for bench
335x3 squat
355x5 bent over rows.
 
Bent over rows are insane how the hell you get that much up!?
 
LiveToLift said:
Bent over rows are insane how the hell you get that much up!?
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I have a very strong back. Also my back training is very intense. On back volume days I do a 1.5 rep where I take about 225 and do 5sets of 5 reps where I do a full rep, contact at the top, lower it half way then pull it back up and contract my back. Plus I do a whole bunch of other things. I rack dead over 405 now as well so the muscles that stabilize my arms when holding the weight before pulling are really strong. And I do statics as well. Basically, I found that my back likes volume, so I do everything possible. And it gets bigger and stronger as a result lol.
 
mattrag said:
I have a very strong back. Also my back training is very intense. On back volume days I do a 1.5 rep where I take about 225 and do 5sets of 5 reps where I do a full rep, contact at the top, lower it half way then pull it back up and contract my back. Plus I do a whole bunch of other things. I rack dead over 405 now as well so the muscles that stabilize my arms when holding the weight before pulling are really strong. And I do statics as well. Basically, I found that my back likes volume, so I do everything possible. And it gets bigger and stronger as a result lol.
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Nice it sure seems like its working man because that's very impressive!
 
LiveToLift said:
Nice it sure seems like its working man because that's very impressive!
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Thanks! I like the idea of progressive overload through all stressors. TUT, max, load, max concentric contractions, and statics. Unfortunately, back had been the only bodypart that I could get progressively stronger in all those aspects without burning out. Chest and legs my joints go first... Sadly...
 
bigdavid said:
holy hell I wish I could bench what I squatted lol damn son doing work!
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My squat is crap that's why lol. I wish I could squat as much as I dead lift.... Gonna run through my deadlift session today or tomorrow. Gonna try pull 385x5. Haha. I think I might have said i was going to go for reps on deads.. But no.. I can't.
 
Update!


Today was great! Went lower carbs today to ensure the recomping. Also, tested out using IF again. Mainly because I wasn't hungry in the AM because I took a dexaprine again lol. 1,3 destroys my appetite. I love it.

Workout today was also amazing lol.


I tried to do underhand grip bent over rows.

135x15
135x10
155x10
225x5
245x5
275x5
295x5
355x2x3 (had to switch to over hand as the first 2 were pretty damn sloppy underhand ones...) PR btw.

Military/1rm DB row

45x20/100x10
65x20/100x10
85x20/100x10
105x10/100x10
135x10/100x10
155x10/100x10
165x8/100x10
185x3 PR/100x10
Oh yes finally up to the 185 on standing military.


Squats well... kinda/one arm Concentration curl

135x10/30x10
135x10/30x10
185x10/30x10
275x5/30x10
Calf raises/Face pulls

275x10/10
315x10/10
355x10 /10



Today workout was brought to you by Body Octane: Game day. I got 3 packs of this stuff so I will do review when I finish the last sample.
 
Nice lifts buddy.
I'm sure I could read a couple pages back, but just for conversation's sake...your current dosing protocol is:
20mg mdrol
6 caps AH
Then after the mdrol cessation end of week 5 it is:
6-9 caps AH
correct?

I still think you should go up to 30mg either for the last week and call it a 4 weeker, or go to 30 on the last 3 days or so of week 5 lol.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Nice lifts buddy.
I'm sure I could read a couple pages back, but just for conversation's sake...your current dosing protocol is:
20mg mdrol
6 caps AH
Then after the mdrol cessation end of week 5 it is:
6-9 caps AH
correct?

I still think you should go up to 30mg either for the last week and call it a 4 weeker, or go to 30 on the last 3 days or so of week 5 lol.
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Yup you are correct.

Hmm, I am already at like week 4 (well its friday tomorrow and I will be on week 4 starting on Monday). Hmm. You really think I should bump it up to 30mgs? Not too much? I worry about the liver... haha. Yea I am thinking after stopping Mdrol I will do one week of AH, Unless you think I should do more... I have enough to do another full 4 weeks after my 5 weeks.
 
You can see how the AH is treating you after the first week solo, then keep it going if you think its beneficial I guess. But yeah don't bump to 30 for too long since you're running it 5 weeks. Although I
have seen people run it for 6, granted they kept it at 10 for a while...
I do know you will like 30 lol
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
You can see how the AH is treating you after the first week solo, then keep it going if you think its beneficial I guess. But yeah don't bump to 30 for too long since you're running it 5 weeks. Although I
have seen people run it for 6, granted they kept it at 10 for a while...
I do know you will like 30 lol
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I may like it so much I'll die trying to take mdrol to 10 weeks....
I think my next run will be 20/20/30/30/30 haha. Then bridge into something mild. Ah yes...
 
Good lord them rows are sick bro!! You are a strong mofo! Keep up the great work man, you are killing it! :cheers:
 
mattrag said:
I may like it so much I'll die trying to take mdrol to 10 weeks....
I think my next run will be 20/20/30/30/30 haha. Then bridge into something mild. Ah yes...
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Dude. You're crazy lol. I think ur next cycle u should go 20 for just the first week, then go 30 the rest. When ur gains diminish (could be week 3 even) that's when you bridge to the mild or non methyl.
Whatcha think? I will run the exact same cycle as u lol, we can have a Gains-off!
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
You can see how the AH is treating you after the first week solo, then keep it going if you think its beneficial I guess. But yeah don't bump to 30 for too long since you're running it 5 weeks. Although I
have seen people run it for 6, granted they kept it at 10 for a while...
I do know you will like 30 lol
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This is what I would do with the AH. Might as well keep using it since its not that suppressive. Solidify gains and all the works.
 
RickRock13 said:
Good lord them rows are sick bro!! You are a strong mofo! Keep up the great work man, you are killing it! :cheers:
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Thanks Rick! You are on shredded mofo!
You have it down when it comes to body comp.

I'll be doing my cardio saying I want abs like Rick!
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Dude. You're crazy lol. I think ur next cycle u should go 20 for just the first week, then go 30 the rest. When ur gains diminish (could be week 3 even) that's when you bridge to the mild or non methyl.
Whatcha think? I will run the exact same cycle as u lol, we can have a Gains-off!
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We would end up with liver failure. Lol

When you cut maybe we can have a competition ;)
But then again... Cutting is no fun.
 
NuclearLaunch said:
This is what I would do with the AH. Might as well keep using it since its not that suppressive. Solidify gains and all the works.
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Yea. That sounds like how it's gonna roll. ;)
 
mattrag said:
We would end up with liver failure. Lol

When you cut maybe we can have a competition ;)
But then again... Cutting is no fun.
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Boooooo cut!
 
Lmao....spring bulk. Summer=AndroLean/Hard bridged into 11-oxo/clen+sarm haha
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Lmao....spring bulk. Summer=AndroLean/Hard bridged into 11-oxo/clen+sarm haha
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Why not just connect it all? AM 8 weeks, AM low dose 4 weeks, AL/AH bridge 11-oxo/clen/sarm ? I wonder if you will get any testicular atrophy... they really need to methylate HCG... or find some way to get it on cycle without having to pin ;p

Getting deported right now is not in my best interest...
 
mattrag said:
Why not just connect it all? AM 8 weeks, AM low dose 4 weeks, AL/AH bridge 11-oxo/clen/sarm ? I wonder if you will get any testicular atrophy... they really need to methylate HCG... or find some way to get it on cycle without having to pin ;p

Getting deported right now is not in my best interest...
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Hcg patches
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Hcg patches
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YES!!!


Today will just be a cardio day. I gotta go shopping in the city with the wifey and some friends. Should be some good walking haha. After I get my pull ups and push ups done (pull up push up challenge) Ill be heading out. This morning im looking hella dry though. carb cycling is working as the weight is still at 95.6kgs haha!
 
Happy new years guys. I took 3 days off (unintentionally), but I am back. Drinking my preworkout drink (More Body Octane Game day). And going to hit some deads. ;D

I almost got sick about 2 days ago, mean headaches and bodyaches. Upped the food a bit and I seem to be healed up. Lets see if I can pull up 395 today for 5 on my sumo deads. Perhaps even 405 if 395 feels light.
 
happy new year bud, go get em!!!

have you decided on what to finish off with?

i say run week 5 at 30, try to stay at 20 for week 4. you dont sound like you need it right now so wait and just enjoy a full week at 30 at the end. dont be scared your liver is much stronger than you think. look at me go!!! lmfao
 
Onlychevy6 said:
well did you pull 395 for 5?
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Actually no....

I think it is because the day was just soooo lazy. All I did was watch anime and sit down. Felt really crappy and when I hit the top set of 395 I just couldn't move it. I'm gonna try again either today or friday. Although... I'm kinda worried my floor at home is gonna break. While squatting 345 yesterday the floor was indeed "bouncing".
 
RickRock13 said:
That's some big weight on deads bro ;)
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Hehe, if only I could pull them.

I'm thinking I need more rep training to bring up my hip flexors and inner thighs. Those just died on the top set....
 
CountryLiftin said:
How did the deads go?
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Not good enough bro.. But...



Here is my without from yesterday...


Bench

135x10
185x5
225x5
265x5
295x5
315x5 pr
235x10

Bent over row

135x16
225x12
275x8
325x5
365x5
205x15

Squat
135x10
185x10
255x10
295x5
345x3 pr

Tbar row
35x10
70x10
95x10
105x10x3

Pull ups
15
12
8


Good stuff today. Probably got a pr on the bent over row but I am not sure. I wasn't really trying for weight until I hit the top set and realized how heavy it was...
The pre I took was bpi's 1MR and my god....I couldn't drink it. It tasted horrible.
 
Bro... I just tried some Sumo deads last night after hitting my top set of conventional deads... just wanted to see how the weight felt...

Well I had worked up to 275x3 conventional. took a break and went and could only hit it 2 times sumo... its pretty dang intense bro!!!

it hits your inner thighs like crazy and i felt WAY more pressure on my lower back.... as opposed to lower and mid like conventional...



I dont know how you move that weight you do! I gotta get my legs stronger before trying those again! I think they are much more incorporated in the lift then the conventional style...
 
Sourdough said:
Bro... I just tried some Sumo deads last night after hitting my top set of conventional deads... just wanted to see how the weight felt...

Well I had worked up to 275x3 conventional. took a break and went and could only hit it 2 times sumo... its pretty dang intense bro!!!

it hits your inner thighs like crazy and i felt WAY more pressure on my lower back.... as opposed to lower and mid like conventional...

I dont know how you move that weight you do! I gotta get my legs stronger before trying those again! I think they are much more incorporated in the lift then the conventional style...
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Yea I definitely think it takes a bit more training to pull off as the quads aren't allowed to pull as much weight as one would normally pull it. The angle the legs have to get into puts the energy transfer in a "learned" style. Anyway, I know that I have to either start training this movement in the higher reps (to develop the smaller muscles) or get in some accessory exercises to help get the numbers higher. Right not my inner thighs are just too weak.

Good job on trying them though :)
 
idk.... if 20mg is treating you well and your still gaining... I see no point, you may just incurr sides...

Id rather extend the duration then increase the dose.... just me.
 
Sourdough said:
idk.... if 20mg is treating you well and your still gaining... I see no point, you may just incurr sides...

Id rather extend the duration then increase the dose.... just me.
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That's what I said at first but he is stubborn :-p
I think 20mg is fine if the gains are still there.
And jeeze matt you're up around 20 pounds from the start of your cycle! Lol. Nice cut ;)
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
That's what I said at first but he is stubborn :-p
I think 20mg is fine if the gains are still there.
And jeeze matt you're up around 20 pounds from the start of your cycle! Lol. Nice cut ;)
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Yea...my cut went to hell. I am getting VERY good muscle glycogen storage though.
20mgs is good I feel. I'm getting stronger and my weight is going up. I will take some measurements tonight to see if I am getting gains in the right places.
 
bigdavid said:
You are getting PRs like every day lol *jealous*
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My first sdrol cycle. :)
My pct is going to suck though... I can feel it. The gains on this cycle are gonna be hard as hell to keep IMO.
 
mattrag said:
My first sdrol cycle. :)
My pct is going to suck though... I can feel it. The gains on this cycle are gonna be hard as hell to keep IMO.
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Get some ostarine for pct I have read great logs in pct with 12 mg dose. take that with your serm and other boosters I feel like you wont lose anything
 
bigdavid said:
Get some ostarine for pct I have read great logs in pct with 12 mg dose. take that with your serm and other boosters I feel like you wont lose anything
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Hmm. I actually have ostarine ;)
We shall see. I think the first week I will be okay. Just week 2-4 I'm worried. Hopefully my daa kicks in by then.
 
bigdavid said:
Get some ostarine for pct I have read great logs in pct with 12 mg dose. take that with your serm and other boosters I feel like you wont lose anything
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Good idea but the problem with that is the fact that it can be slightly suppressive, and running it when the body is already suppressed will hinder recovery.
Very interested in running a sarm one day myself though.
 
mattrag said:
Hmm. I actually have ostarine ;)
We shall see. I think the first week I will be okay. Just week 2-4 I'm worried. Hopefully my daa kicks in by then.
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If your DAA hasn't kicked in by day 2 you got hosed on some bunk powder lol
 
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