M-DROL ON YOUTUBE

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im computer illiterate so i cant post a link, but go to youtube and type in M-DROL. there is a videom by JAGLAWFIRM, bout these two fools that abused M-DROL and jacked themselves up. noW they want a quick paycheck and are sueing CEL. they claim there was no warning on the label.....thanks guys for ruining it for the rest of us.
 
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yeah, I saw that video already and people have known about the lawsuit for a couple months.
I do not think they have a case if competitive edge labs has a good lawyer.
 
What a couple of queers, they should have been on a pct and something to clean their liver for their cycle. But that dude's eyes looked trippy as **** when they showed them. I've been on a cycle of Mdrol/Hdrol/ and I've been perfectly fine so I don't see the problem. I still have a bottle of it from ************* that I'm about to take in the next month or so.
 
Ignorance...... complete and utter ignorance.... these guys pry never lifted a weight in their lives prior to taking this... and obviously they didn't do their research and now are trying to blame the company because of their own stupidity. I hate people like that!
 
Ok, I'll be booed for this by some; specially for being new around here. I'll preface this with I do not think they should be banned or illegal.

If they cause problems, which we all know they do by themselves, then the companies need to put that on the label. If the labels mentioned liver damage and OTC PTC options I think we would all be better off. I mean how is the average Joe suppose to know something he bought at the local supp store needs a special PTC when he is done taking it?
 
CyberGlitch said:
Ok, I'll be booed for this by some; specially for being new around here. I'll preface this with I do not think they should be banned or illegal.

If they cause problems, which we all know they do by themselves, then the companies need to put that on the label. If the labels mentioned liver damage and OTC PTC options I think we would all be better off. I mean how is the average Joe suppose to know something he bought at the local supp store needs a special PTC when he is done taking it?
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Lots of things in huge doses can cause major problems (vitamins etc.) They say to take it no longer than the set amount of time on the bottle. It is the person's responsibility to make sure they take the right precautions and know what they are putting in their body. The average joe shouldn't be taking this but should be or average intelligence and want to know what they are taking.
 
CyberGlitch said:
Ok, I'll be booed for this by some; specially for being new around here. I'll preface this with I do not think they should be banned or illegal.

If they cause problems, which we all know they do by themselves, then the companies need to put that on the label. If the labels mentioned liver damage and OTC PTC options I think we would all be better off. I mean how is the average Joe suppose to know something he bought at the local supp store needs a special PTC when he is done taking it?
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so your saying it isn't a persons responsibility to atleast find some information on the substance they are going to injest into their body?

so if I take some oil, and drink it, it is castrols fault for not putting on the bottle what will happen to me? i mean, how am i supposed to know what it will do to me?
 
I wonder if what the video says about competitive edge labs is true. That they are a foreign corporation that does not maintain a place of business.
 
jbryand101b said:
so your saying it isn't a persons responsibility to atleast find some information on the substance they are going to injest into their body?

so if I take some oil, and drink it, it is castrols fault for not putting on the bottle what will happen to me? i mean, how am i supposed to know what it will do to me?
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Look at Advil for example. Says do not take more then 10 a day. Doesn't say why but it's because of bleeding and ulcers.

That's my point. If something is so harsh with side effects it should be listed on the label. Cigarettes can cause cancer, right on the label. PHs without proper PCT can cause liver damage and other things.
 
CyberGlitch said:
Look at Advil for example. Says do not take more then 10 a day. Doesn't say why but it's because of bleeding and ulcers.

That's my point. If something is so harsh with side effects it should be listed on the label. Cigarettes can cause cancer, right on the label. PHs without proper PCT can cause liver damage and other things.
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Horrible point... cigarettes cause a lot more health problems than cancer but it doesn't list every single thing on the package.... Not everything that happens need to be put on the label. Some warnings are on M-drol label...If you are going to put something in your body at least understand what it does to you... These guys need to grow up, take responsibility, and not blame someobody else for them being retarded. If I put something in my body, I want to do a little research first. These people didn't, because they are stupid and now they want to blame somebody else for their own irresposiblility.... typical.

people need to quit blaming things on somebody else, these guys ****ed up, took a steroid without properly educating themselves, and they need to deal with the fact that it was their own mistake
 
I agree on the researching and knowing what to put in your body. I guess I used cigarettes because they put that on the label because people didn't know and big tobacco isn't going to stop selling them. Could be the same with PHs. If people don't know put it on the label and continue to sell them. Instead now we're dealing with bans and not having them at all.

Side note.
Yes, there is more to cigarettes but if cancer doesn't scare you I doubt the rest would either. :439:
 
Look at both of those guys in that video, neither of them should have been taken anything other than protein. And the guy at the end saying not to take any supplements at all. He deserves nothing less than to have MORON tattooed to his forehead. It's their own stupidity that caused them harm...no one else is to blame.
 
Both these guys are Morons. They probably overheard a gym rat talking about M-Drol. Went home googled it the website who sells it pops up they added to their cart and did not think twice after that. They recieved the bottle and started popping pills. Pure ignorance. Hell i heard people talking Bout H Drol and Epi at my gym and it took me 6 months till i figured i knew enough to try it. These kinds of people are the reason these products are being banned. PURE IGNORANCE!!
 
Tone said:
Horrible point... cigarettes cause a lot more health problems than cancer but it doesn't list every single thing on the package.... Not everything that happens need to be put on the label. Some warnings are on M-drol label...If you are going to put something in your body at least understand what it does to you... These guys need to grow up, take responsibility, and not blame someobody else for them being retarded. If I put something in my body, I want to do a little research first. These people didn't, because they are stupid and now they want to blame somebody else for their own irresposiblility.... typical.

people need to quit blaming things on somebody else, these guys ****ed up, took a steroid without properly educating themselves, and they need to deal with the fact that it was their own mistake
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U have to realize your talking about people taking responsibility in a country where (correct me if i am wrong but i do believe) sueing dunkin donuts (a donut and coffee shop for those of you who may not know who that compnay is) because it was not written on the side of the coffee that it was hot and when a woman spilled it on herself and got burned she wont multi-millions from the law suit.

Ya it would be nice if only the strong/smart survive and if evolution would actually work but it doesnt anymore. I doubt everyone in here looked up pub med every instance they could about every little thing they have consumed and the direct effects on their health. And if they did i highly doubt they did a background check on that company to make sure all the ingedients on the label where actuall in there, or if some others where added and not written down, or if they actual doseages where correct via lab work by batch number.

Steroids are too strong and too dangerous for the average idiot in america who thinks that binge drinking all weekend long wont effect his bodybuilding or health long term. EVEN if every single warning was on things like alcohol and cigarettes people choose to ignore them anyways. To furthermore prove a point there is almost no way you can prove that the consumer read the directions and disclaimers prior to useage. ON TOP OF THAT there is no designated national language for the USA, most people assume its english however we do not actually ahve one, so does that mean you are going to write the warnings in every single language that is presnet in the united states??? i highly doubt it.

Weather you are pro steroid or anti steroid it really doesnt matter, the average population is too retarded to correctly use anything of this strength. If the general population actually had the incentive or IQ to read into what they where doing i highly doubt things like adult onset diabetes would occur along with the millions of other diseases caused by what people do to themselves.

You cant say that everyone should be self-responsible in a country where in the passed all we have done is written laws to protect us from ourselves and get rid of all self-responsibility.
 
And another thing, these guys were probably not following any of the dosing directions. They were probably doin 40mg a day for over a month. Not to mention hittin up the bars on the weekends.
 
Must have taken more than 10 mg? ;) they do have a warning on the label about taking a proper pct..... however alot of other bottles don't I could see how someone that doesn't know anything about supplements or ph's could buy something and have no idea what a pct was. You guys just assume everyone spends time on a forum and does research on products.
 
Cassavus said:
And another thing, these guys were probably not following any of the dosing directions. They were probably doin 40mg a day for over a month. Not to mention hittin up the bars on the weekends.
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this is more likely than not, the sad truth.

All kinds of guys taken that ****, then getting hammered on the weekend.

Dumbass'
 
CyberGlitch said:
If something is so harsh with side effects it should be listed on the label.
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that's it. i'm going to start drinking 12 cans of mountain dew per day and sue them for no warning label - which is how i will get diabetes, and ensure i get paid for the rest of my life. meanwhile i'll eat mcdonalds 4x per day and sue them for being obese - no warning labels on that big mac....
 
suncloud said:
that's it. i'm going to start drinking 12 cans of mountain dew per day and sue them for no warning label - which is how i will get diabetes, and ensure i get paid for the rest of my life. meanwhile i'll eat mcdonalds 4x per day and sue them for being obese - no warning labels on that big mac....
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Very Very Good Point Sir
 
seriously, the first part of the ingredient is methyl. if you're too lazy to google methyl (after all methyl mercury poisoning is nasty), you're SOL in my book.
 
CyberGlitch said:
Look at Advil for example. Says do not take more then 10 a day. Doesn't say why but it's because of bleeding and ulcers.

That's my point. If something is so harsh with side effects it should be listed on the label. Cigarettes can cause cancer, right on the label. PHs without proper PCT can cause liver damage and other things.
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You are correct HOWEVER, the dosages are on the bottle and when you look on the SITE WHICH YOU PURCHASE IT FROM, there is usually an area that states do not take for longer than this period...

Usually when something says 2 pills a day, it does not mean take 10 pills a day, just saying....

I am going to tell you what these guys did...

They started the product,

Got some results...

And thought, oh great, a few more pills per day will double my results...or if i run this forever i can get double the results
 
CodyK7 said:
Must have taken more than 10 mg? ;) they do have a warning on the label about taking a proper pct..... however alot of other bottles don't I could see how someone that doesn't know anything about supplements or ph's could buy something and have no idea what a pct was. You guys just assume everyone spends time on a forum and does research on products.
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Even at a young age, had my parents seen me taking something out of my mother's medical cabinet, I would have had my head slapped off...these guys should have had their heads slapped off. First lesson I learned at age 3, do not put things into your mouth because you have no idea where it had been or what it is...

Now, if they purchased tainted products but followed proper dosing procedures this is another whole story, company's fault or really supplier. However i am sure this was not the case here.
 
meanwhile i'll eat mcdonalds 4x per day and sue them for being obese - no warning labels on that big mac.
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Actually, in 2004 a bill passed to ban lawsuits by obese customers who say they became overweight by eating at fast-food restaurants.
 
suncloud said:
that's it. i'm going to start drinking 12 cans of mountain dew per day and sue them for no warning label - which is how i will get diabetes, and ensure i get paid for the rest of my life. meanwhile i'll eat mcdonalds 4x per day and sue them for being obese - no warning labels on that big mac....
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If you drink 4 cans a day for 2 months and stop will it cause serious adverse effects? Maybe some minor caffeine withdrawal headaches but that's it. It's not like you now should drink 4 bottles of water a day for 2 months or you get small balls and b1tch tits.

Take 4 {INSERT PH PILL HERE} a day for 2 months and stop without proper PCT. What problems do you think will happen?

I'm trying to say there is a difference in taking to much of 1 thing and PCT. If you take to much of 1 thing that's your own fault. If after taking something and you need something extra afterwords or get nasty side effects that should be on the label.


Just for the record I don't want them banned or made illegal; playing devils advocate here. Every person should have the right to take and do whatever they want to their own bodies. I'm personally waiting for the rest of my own supps to come in. :sly:
 
This was a news report so it has to be taken with a grain of salt. A normal healthy persons liver is pretty tough and get take a hell of alot of abuse. My guess is these guys were doing one of a few things. Taking waaay to much as someone already pointed out. Going out drinking as someone said as well. Or what my moneys on is that they both have some sort of pre exsisting condition affecting the abilitys of their livers.

Bottom line is theres risks with anything. You cant blame the company for not having everything on the lables.
 
bullcrap. here's why.

CyberGlitch said:
If you drink 4 cans a day for 2 months and stop will it cause serious adverse effects? Maybe some minor caffeine withdrawal headaches but that's it.
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no, i'm talking a 12 pack a day (2-3 big gulps). easy to do, more commonly a sign of diabetes than you think, and there'll never be problems right?

CyberGlitch said:
Take 4 {INSERT PH PILL HERE} a day for 2 months and stop without proper PCT. What problems do you think will happen?
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i choose to insert 1-ad or furaz. without PROPER pct, i can still pull it off OTC with no sides. easily.

additionally, i can find a ton of OTC stuff that you will have an adverse reaction too, if taken beyond the recommended time limit (which 2 months clearly is when talking about prohormones) and taking more than the recommeded dose (which 4 usually is). hell, trans fat or sodium can mess you up taking twice the recommeded RDA. lets not even get into what potassium will do to you.

CyberGlitch said:
I'm trying to say there is a difference in taking to much of 1 thing and PCT. If you take to much of 1 thing that's your own fault. If after taking something and you need something extra afterwords or get nasty side effects that should be on the label.
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if you see something that says "gain 20 pounds of muscle in one month" and you don't know you may be taking a steriod, you are either an idiot, or a muscletech believer. if you can't figure out that 20 pounds doesn't come naturally, and you MAY (god forbid) have to be vaguely safe, have a darwin award. if you take mdrol at a double dose for double length till you get jaundice (yellow skin and eyes, which as kristoffer stated is probably a 40mg ED cycle for 8 weeks) and are too stupid to think "maybe i'm doing something wrong", you firmly belong in the hospital, because you may lack the brain cells required to wipe your own bottom. IMO.


CyberGlitch said:
Just for the record I don't want them banned or made illegal; playing devils advocate here. Every person should have the right to take and do whatever they want to their own bodies. I'm personally waiting for the rest of my own supps to come in. :sly:
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everybody does have the right to take whatever they want. everyone also has the right to either do it properly, or attempt to read up on what they're taking. i mean, you wouldn't go out and buy a hundred bucks of meth, slam it and then complain on what you did "after the fact" and try suiing the trailer park would you?

IMO that's the same thing. if you don't know what you're taking, don't know the side effects, all while being 100% positive that everything you've heard from the media state there are side effects, and still feign ignorance, here's your sign.


EDIT : this is not directed at you, merely your argument.
 
if potassium can do this, i imagine anything more potent than an a banana could have an adverse reaction....

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Symptoms are fairly nonspecific and generally include malaise, palpitations and muscle weakness; mild hyperventilation may indicate a compensatory response to metabolic acidosis, which is one of the possible causes of hyperkalemia. Often, however, the problem is detected during screening blood tests for a medical disorder, or it only comes to medical attention after complications have developed, such as cardiac arrhythmia or sudden death.

also, it was one banana too many (just a bit too much potassium) for zero-v to get the muscle weakness, and his diet was pretty clean at the time. again, there's a lot of things to watch out for, and if you can't trust your fruits/vegetables, who can you trust...?
 
VolcomX311 said:
Serious ignorant douchebags. They look like they took the M-Drol but forgot to ever lift.
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I was thinking the same thing.

on another note, for those who have ventured into the crazy oral cycle world of stacking multiple methylated compounds, and have (like me) had blood work post pct, and listened in amazement as the doctor gave them praise of how excellent their cholesterol was, how their liver enzymes are all normal, and the full hormone panel they spent extra money on getting was all normal and no need for hrt,
*takes breath*
then they know these two idiots did not know what they were doing, and there is more to this story than just two men taking a bottle of an oral steroid.


on another note, I am in no way advocating young men stack multiple methyated compounds, if your brave enough to swim with sharks, be prepared to get bitten. Cause like sharks, methylated steroids can pack a nasty bite, esp if you dont know what you are doing.
 
suncloud said:
i choose to insert 1-ad or furaz. without PROPER pct, i can still pull it off OTC with no sides. easily.
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Only because you've done your research. What would happen without any PCT as if someone picked up the bottle at a local store, took the recommended dosage and then stopped? I'm talking no liver support, no test booster, nothing during or after.

Think like these guys who obviously know nothing, they probably got a recommendation from someone. They bought it and used it but I agree like others have said and more then likely way overused it.

My wife goes into vitamins and supplements blindly and just assumes I know best for her. :shhh: So I can easily see others doing it as well based off friends recommendations.

suncloud said:
if you see something that says "gain 20 pounds of muscle in one month" and you don't know you may be taking a steriod, you are either an idiot, or a muscletech believer.
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You hit a good point here. I think most people assume ALL types of steroids are illegal and not something they could just pick up at a local vitamin shop or online. While the compounds are on the bottle I didn't know wtf they were when I started my research.


suncloud said:
EDIT : this is not directed at you, merely your argument.
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It's all good.
 
suncloud said:
if potassium can do this, i imagine anything more potent than an a banana could have an adverse reaction....

potassium overdose :
Symptoms are fairly nonspecific and generally include malaise, palpitations and muscle weakness; mild hyperventilation may indicate a compensatory response to metabolic acidosis, which is one of the possible causes of hyperkalemia. Often, however, the problem is detected during screening blood tests for a medical disorder, or it only comes to medical attention after complications have developed, such as cardiac arrhythmia or sudden death.

also, it was one banana too many (just a bit too much potassium) for zero-v to get the muscle weakness, and his diet was pretty clean at the time. again, there's a lot of things to watch out for, and if you can't trust your fruits/vegetables, who can you trust...?
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Very interesting. I knew they used potassium chloride for lethal injections but I didn't know you could eat too many bananas for the same effects.

Those veggies are out to get us! :damnit1: EVERYBODY RUN!!
 
i just don't understand how anyone could say "take this and put it in your body - it'll make you stronger". i mean what's the difference between that and PCP? there's plenty of information for it online, and you really should know what you're consuming.


i can't for the life of me understand how someone can sue a company for a product that lives up to its claims, yet we can't sue muscletech for products that don't live up to their claims, and every time i sue my drug dealer for giving me PCP which gave me the same strength gains as steroids i get arrested....
 
The second Guy in the video shouldn't have even tried it because he is like old as **** with a porno stache' and probably doesn't even workout close to hard.
 
Mdrol says 1-2 caps a day for no more than 4 weeks, no way that will hospitalize you unless your liver is already on the verge of failing or you are chugging alcohol everyday. One of these guys is probably running a full bottle at minimum and the other is stacking with who knows how much P-Plex.

They most assuredly experienced side effects but kept dosing in order to get to that point

I think people get what they deserve and I have no pity
 
suncloud said:
i just don't understand how anyone could say "take this and put it in your body - it'll make you stronger". i mean what's the difference between that and PCP? there's plenty of information for it online, and you really should know what you're consuming.
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I can see it, I was there at one point many years ago. It's the ignorance and complacency we've all grown up on. We know the normal dangers of stuff we buy because it's "public" knowledge. Tobacco will cause cancer. Alcohol can damage your liver. blah blah blah However, it's a vitamin shop I got my suppliments, nothing I buy from here should hurt me. It's all natural and organic. :nono:

suncloud said:
i can't for the life of me understand how someone can sue a company for a product that lives up to its claims, yet we can't sue muscletech for products that don't live up to their claims, and every time i sue my drug dealer for giving me PCP which gave me the same strength gains as steroids i get arrested....
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Now this is always crazy and fully agree. Should be able to sue the dealer if you get arrested, that's just not right. :439:
 
suncloud said:
if potassium can do this, i imagine anything more potent than an a banana could have an adverse reaction....

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Symptoms are fairly nonspecific and generally include malaise, palpitations and muscle weakness; mild hyperventilation may indicate a compensatory response to metabolic acidosis, which is one of the possible causes of hyperkalemia. Often, however, the problem is detected during screening blood tests for a medical disorder, or it only comes to medical attention after complications have developed, such as cardiac arrhythmia or sudden death.

also, it was one banana too many (just a bit too much potassium) for zero-v to get the muscle weakness, and his diet was pretty clean at the time. again, there's a lot of things to watch out for, and if you can't trust your fruits/vegetables, who can you trust...?
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This is very true right here...

I had to cut bananas out of my diet on workout days because it would zap all of my strength and feel like crap.

Took weeks to figure out what the heck was doing that, I still avoid those yellow buggers like cancer most of the time.

Water kills in a high enough dose as well you know...

The thing with supplements like this is yes they are dangerous, and thus only people who know what they are doing should have ever touched them. Think of it like a pistol, its a double edged sword. It can get you what you want(say protection) but can just as easily harm you.

If supplementation had not gone mainstream as it has recently things would be different today. But in our shortcut nation of America, people "NEED" that quick fix...in this case they need a quickfix for a retirement check through a lawsuit...
 
CyberGlitch said:
I'm trying to say there is a difference in taking to much of 1 thing and PCT. If you take to much of 1 thing that's your own fault. If after taking something and you need something extra afterwords or get nasty side effects that should be on the label.
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I know what you are saying here but as for me, when I was not knowledgeable about these things, back when the first M1t was released by legal Gear, i took it and never ran PCT. I never had any adverse effects except I lost everything I gained during the run.

I didn't skip pct because of not knowing but I did because i didn't have my goods lined up before hand then used the money for something else.

YOU CAN run these drugs without ANY pct. The issue is not whether you can or cannot. You can do what ever you choose to do. Many people run these drugs and do NO PCT and have no long lasting issues, according to test several months later. HOWEVER, these guys severely abused these drugs in every sound shape and fashion. It was either that or they had a condition already or both were true.

I am an advocate of a company doing their own in-house testing on every item the receive from a thrid party supplier and I wish they would list the ingredients on the label and it is ACTUALLY what is in the bottle. HOWEVER, some companies skimp on the funds and do not test their batches, and some end up thinking they are labeling it correct but it is tainted. Hell, some even do it on purpose (insert AX here).

Nevertheless, these guys deserve what they got, period...
I definitely do not support mislabeling of drugs as dietary supplements nor do i support the selling of products strictly off of the CofA from the 3rd party supplier.
 
I was just looking at my H-drol bottle im sure M-drol is fairly similar and it even says on it that they recommend you take with their Cycle Assist, and after words to be familiar with PCT, use but not limit to...pct assist and supress C...Do not take for more than 6 weeks, and take at least 8 weeks off in between cycles... do not take if you have high blood pressure, hyperglycemia, or any other condition. ETC........ It say take 1 caps 1-3 times daily, and space out etc.....


so they do have warnings on the label, and they do have recommendations... so if they followed these recs, this wouldn't have happened...
 
To be honest, if a lawsuit needs to be filed, then so be it. I was 17, sold P-Plex 5 years ago, I stopped 2nd week once I found out what it was. The ****head at the shop was juiced up, and obviously knew what was up. He told me just take that, with some multivitamin and protein. That was it, simple bullsh!t answers.

Like I said, if a lawsuit needs to be filed or supplements need to be banned, then blame every company who sells PH's without a Organ Supporting supplement or that doesn't at least advise it.

Its funny, I can get all my friends to take these pills but soon as I mention why they need to take the organ supporting supplements, they say "I'll pass". Think about that being on a label, no one would buy, we wouldn't see all those jacked up 17 year olds in the gym or the questionable new people who dont know anything about working out and show up 10lbs heavier in 3 weeks.

I remember a guy in my gym, I was 19, he came at me and said he was on m1t, it was great stuff, gave me a card and everything, then I asked him, you know what PCT is right? He responds "Whats PCT?" He was 30 years old at the time.


I bet those guys who took mdrol probably drank hardly any water, or ate right. I have a friend of a friend who takes h-drol often, and he told me he eats 2 PB Sandwiches and 2 shakes 23g shakes a day, thats his diet. I didn't say a word...hes one of those types he'll do what he wants.

I say blame the gov't and the companies! At least CEL had a organ product on the market to help with their products. Why doesn't hard alcohol offer liver support? or warnings of heart palpitations caused from caffeine in soda?

Its all about the money, thats why its not on the label.
 
The guy that said they should all be taking off the counter should be shot. How stupid can you be they knew what they where doing but once they find out they can sue they act like complete idiots. Wow maybe if you werent a complete dumbass and you did a little research before you put random **** in you we would all still have these amazing products
 
I wonder what the dosage and length of cycle was. I wouldn't be surprised if they took 3 caps a day for 6 or more weeks. $50 bucks worth of M-drol is enough for 4-5 3 week cycles.

I would bet that they noticed jaundice, did a google search, then realized on week 8 what they were doing to themselves. Hence the silence regarding dosage, cycle length.

How YELLOW do you have to turn before you go to the doctor? That first guy looked like a cadaver.
 
You can't fix stupidity!

Who the hell knows if these guys were also drinking beer along the cycle? Not to mention they most likely had sides that were showing the issues with the products such as the yellowing of eyes (you will know you are having liver issues well before it gets too bad if you pay attention to sides / although in some cases this is not true but a lot of times is.) They could have even had pain to indicate they were experiencing liver issues, but people don't care of the sides as they think that it will just pass and they will make large gains. Stupidity is to blame in a lot of cases not to mention pure ignorance. Yes maybe the bottle should have mentioned something about PCT, but at the same time not everyone knows what PCT is and may not care to find out. Also you should read the label and if you do not unserstand ask the company selling the product or read over the write up on it to find out what the product is (referring to methyl). Now on the other hand if they were serious about building muscle they would have been consiming large amounts of water each day which could have flushed out the liver to prevent such a harsh result (sure some will argue with this but this is my opinion.) If you are stupid enough to just take a product without research you have no one to blame but yourself in my opinion. If every company wrote every possibility of sides on the their products you would have to get a paper / book with every product which would raise the prices extremely not to mention other pain in the a$$ things to go with it.
 
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