KLEEN LIVING - A log about Life, Training, and Nutrition.

Love a double patty!!! Local place called Granfanally’s make killer burgers w beef sourced from a local farm. Each one is a “heart stopper” in its own way. I love the pulled pork burger. It’s a burger w enough pulled pork for a sandwich by itself and drowned in bbq sauce
We have a lot of cattle farms here on the west side of Georgia, and man fresh beef is just better. We have a meat processor with a local butcher about 3 miles from our house. Man, I’m in heaven when I go in to fill up our freezer. Same thing with eggs….we raise chickens and there is a huge difference between fresh eggs and store bought, no comparison.💪😎👍
 
We have a lot of cattle farms here on the west side of Georgia, and man fresh beef is just better. We have a meat processor with a local butcher about 3 miles from our house. Man, I’m in heaven when I go in to fill up our freezer. Same thing with eggs….we raise chickens and there is a huge difference between fresh eggs and store bought, no comparison.💪😎👍
Are they as potent as “duck eggs”
 
We have a lot of cattle farms here on the west side of Georgia, and man fresh beef is just better. We have a meat processor with a local butcher about 3 miles from our house. Man, I’m in heaven when I go in to fill up our freezer. Same thing with eggs….we raise chickens and there is a huge difference between fresh eggs and store bought, no comparison.💪😎👍

Are they as potent as “duck eggs”
zero doubt that homegrown beef and eggs are ten times better. first time we had to buy eggs after using our own for a year you could see the difference in texture and color. the store bought ones we had always used before suddenly looked toxic and chemical, it was weird.

my duck eggs are richer/stronger than the chicken eggs. they taste fantastic, but I'll admit they can "slide" through your system a little faster if you get what I mean. I have no idea what causes that but they taste good.
 
Yes Sir, I am motivated to train, and to lock the diet back down.
I love this. we have seen in many of our logs where there is a wind down period. a time needed to just remove the pressure of where the bar is set. We still get our sessions in out of discpline, but go a bit easier on ourselves for a week or 2 (or 3 or whatever) but that discipline keeps us sorta idling, keeps the engine warm, so that when the greenlight flashes, we go hard.
 
zero doubt that homegrown beef and eggs are ten times better. first time we had to buy eggs after using our own for a year you could see the difference in texture and color. the store bought ones we had always used before suddenly looked toxic and chemical, it was weird.

my duck eggs are richer/stronger than the chicken eggs. they taste fantastic, but I'll admit they can "slide" through your system a little faster if you get what I mean. I have no idea what causes that but they taste good.
Haven’t really tried Duck eggs, but you’re right as far as the texture and look of fresh chicken eggs compared to store bought. The yolks are darker, look healthier, and way more flavor. I’m sure they are much richer in nutrients too.
 
Haven’t really tried Duck eggs, but you’re right as far as the texture and look of fresh chicken eggs compared to store bought. The yolks are darker, look healthier, and way more flavor. I’m sure they are much richer in nutrients too.

biggest difference I noticed in our duck eggs when our hen duck was laying is that they were larger, pretty noticeably. the shells were a slightly more translucent color even though I do supplement them calcium for strong shells, but the yoke color was even richer than our chicken eggs, which look great. Then you get the store bought eggs and I was like holy **** they look like something teenage mutant ninja turtles lol
 
Not gonna lie, your cheat meal menu sounds like heaven! A good burger and fries always hits the spot. Probably one of the few foods I actually do crave at times. Had a decent one the other day at our local pub, double patty style!
Oh it was fabulous!
Love a double patty!!! Local place called Granfanally’s make killer burgers w beef sourced from a local farm. Each one is a “heart stopper” in its own way. I love the pulled pork burger. It’s a burger w enough pulled pork for a sandwich by itself and drowned in bbq sauce
Yeah we have a good one here with brisket, and one that does a sausage, pulled pork, and brisket o a burger patty.
Are they as potent as “duck eggs”
LMAO! I see what your doing here!
zero doubt that homegrown beef and eggs are ten times better. first time we had to buy eggs after using our own for a year you could see the difference in texture and color. the store bought ones we had always used before suddenly looked toxic and chemical, it was weird.

my duck eggs are richer/stronger than the chicken eggs. they taste fantastic, but I'll admit they can "slide" through your system a little faster if you get what I mean. I have no idea what causes that but they taste good.
I am sure the fresh is the bomb!!!
biggest difference I noticed in our duck eggs when our hen duck was laying is that they were larger, pretty noticeably. the shells were a slightly more translucent color even though I do supplement them calcium for strong shells, but the yoke color was even richer than our chicken eggs, which look great. Then you get the store bought eggs and I was like holy **** they look like something teenage mutant ninja turtles lol
Sounds cool on the difference in the duck eggs, but I am pretty sure he is referring to Mike O'Hearne saying he got built from eating duck eggs, that was his secret, that he is natural but duck eggs allowed him to get and stay massive while ripped up close to 60 years old now I think.

My diet has been more relaxed for a little while but I have been paying attention to my caloric intake and trying to keep the gains coming slowly. I was 208 this morning and don't look too bad at all. I still have abs, and my legs are still nice and lean. I am honing in on a specific meal plan diet plan but for the week just keeping calories around 3600, getting protein in a minimum of 1g/lb of body weight, and carbs and fats are going to be adjusted on a sliding scale since no set meal plan yet.

I have been hitting the gym recently with no specific program just hitting everything as needed but finally wrote a program I am going to try to stick with for a while. It is a 4 day split followed by a day off then restarting. If it is too much for me I will simply take a day off as needed and pick back up the rotation the next workout.

The split for this meso is a 5 day cycle 4 days on 1 day off, rinse and repeat. I plan to run this for 3-5 weeks before deloading. We will see how I do with the frequency. The set ranges are estimations of possible set increases during the meso.
Day 1 Back 10-14 sets, Rear Delts 2-3 sets & Triceps 2-3 sets
Day 2 Chest 8-12 sets, Medial Delts 3-4 sets, Biceps 2-3 sets
Day 3 Legs 11-15 sets
Day 4 Shoulders 9-12 sets, Biceps 6-9 sets, Triceps 6-9 sets
Rest and Repeat

To keep things simple, hard and fun starting out with 2RIR, and will be doing a lot of MyoRep Match Sets. This basically has everything getting worked twice per cycle but legs every 5 days sounds like a winning frequency to me allowing for more joint and lower back recovery in between while not being too far apart.

Got my blood work, everything is looking good. Total Cholesterol 166, and 47HDL. Only thing I was concerned about was kidneys and they are looking no worse for the wear after being on a lot of last year. My HCT is only 48 right now so I have room there. I am starting my anabolics tomorrow, just for ease of use I am going to do Mon-Wed-Friday Test 60mg/Mast 40mg for a total of 300mg dose to start. I will titrate up from here. That should be a decent boost from 120mg to 300mg a week. I will have to watch myself to not be quick tempered the first week or two while adjusting since that is double the androgens. I should also notice increased recovery, motivation, and some nice positive aggression in the gym out of it too.

Here is my starting point at 208 this morning fasted. I maintained this on 120mg test e a week starting 6 weeks after the show. Not doing too bad for as hard as I have been on myself for relaxing a bit. I just think I needed it both physically and mentally.

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Oh it was fabulous!

Yeah we have a good one here with brisket, and one that does a sausage, pulled pork, and brisket o a burger patty.

LMAO! I see what your doing here!

I am sure the fresh is the bomb!!!

Sounds cool on the difference in the duck eggs, but I am pretty sure he is referring to Mike O'Hearne saying he got built from eating duck eggs, that was his secret, that he is natural but duck eggs allowed him to get and stay massive while ripped up close to 60 years old now I think.

My diet has been more relaxed for a little while but I have been paying attention to my caloric intake and trying to keep the gains coming slowly. I was 208 this morning and don't look too bad at all. I still have abs, and my legs are still nice and lean. I am honing in on a specific meal plan diet plan but for the week just keeping calories around 3600, getting protein in a minimum of 1g/lb of body weight, and carbs and fats are going to be adjusted on a sliding scale since no set meal plan yet.

I have been hitting the gym recently with no specific program just hitting everything as needed but finally wrote a program I am going to try to stick with for a while. It is a 4 day split followed by a day off then restarting. If it is too much for me I will simply take a day off as needed and pick back up the rotation the next workout.

The split for this meso is a 5 day cycle 4 days on 1 day off, rinse and repeat. I plan to run this for 3-5 weeks before deloading. We will see how I do with the frequency. The set ranges are estimations of possible set increases during the meso.
Day 1 Back 10-14 sets, Rear Delts 2-3 sets & Triceps 2-3 sets
Day 2 Chest 8-12 sets, Medial Delts 3-4 sets, Biceps 2-3 sets
Day 3 Legs 11-15 sets
Day 4 Shoulders 9-12 sets, Biceps 6-9 sets, Triceps 6-9 sets
Rest and Repeat

To keep things simple, hard and fun starting out with 2RIR, and will be doing a lot of MyoRep Match Sets. This basically has everything getting worked twice per cycle but legs every 5 days sounds like a winning frequency to me allowing for more joint and lower back recovery in between while not being too far apart.

Got my blood work, everything is looking good. Total Cholesterol 166, and 47HDL. Only thing I was concerned about was kidneys and they are looking no worse for the wear after being on a lot of last year. My HCT is only 48 right now so I have room there. I am starting my anabolics tomorrow, just for ease of use I am going to do Mon-Wed-Friday Test 60mg/Mast 40mg for a total of 300mg dose to start. I will titrate up from here. That should be a decent boost from 120mg to 300mg a week. I will have to watch myself to not be quick tempered the first week or two while adjusting since that is double the androgens. I should also notice increased recovery, motivation, and some nice positive aggression in the gym out of it too.

Here is my starting point at 208 this morning fasted. I maintained this on 120mg test e a week starting 6 weeks out from the show. Not doing too bad for as hard as I have been on myself for relaxing a bit. I just think I needed it both physically and mentally.

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Looks like a good plan, well thought out and should be an effective training program with flexibility, and you’re still sitting in a good place… looking beastly. Your body should be primed and respond well to an increase in anabolics.💪
 
Oh it was fabulous!

Yeah we have a good one here with brisket, and one that does a sausage, pulled pork, and brisket o a burger patty.

LMAO! I see what your doing here!

I am sure the fresh is the bomb!!!

Sounds cool on the difference in the duck eggs, but I am pretty sure he is referring to Mike O'Hearne saying he got built from eating duck eggs, that was his secret, that he is natural but duck eggs allowed him to get and stay massive while ripped up close to 60 years old now I think.

My diet has been more relaxed for a little while but I have been paying attention to my caloric intake and trying to keep the gains coming slowly. I was 208 this morning and don't look too bad at all. I still have abs, and my legs are still nice and lean. I am honing in on a specific meal plan diet plan but for the week just keeping calories around 3600, getting protein in a minimum of 1g/lb of body weight, and carbs and fats are going to be adjusted on a sliding scale since no set meal plan yet.

I have been hitting the gym recently with no specific program just hitting everything as needed but finally wrote a program I am going to try to stick with for a while. It is a 4 day split followed by a day off then restarting. If it is too much for me I will simply take a day off as needed and pick back up the rotation the next workout.

The split for this meso is a 5 day cycle 4 days on 1 day off, rinse and repeat. I plan to run this for 3-5 weeks before deloading. We will see how I do with the frequency. The set ranges are estimations of possible set increases during the meso.
Day 1 Back 10-14 sets, Rear Delts 2-3 sets & Triceps 2-3 sets
Day 2 Chest 8-12 sets, Medial Delts 3-4 sets, Biceps 2-3 sets
Day 3 Legs 11-15 sets
Day 4 Shoulders 9-12 sets, Biceps 6-9 sets, Triceps 6-9 sets
Rest and Repeat

To keep things simple, hard and fun starting out with 2RIR, and will be doing a lot of MyoRep Match Sets. This basically has everything getting worked twice per cycle but legs every 5 days sounds like a winning frequency to me allowing for more joint and lower back recovery in between while not being too far apart.

Got my blood work, everything is looking good. Total Cholesterol 166, and 47HDL. Only thing I was concerned about was kidneys and they are looking no worse for the wear after being on a lot of last year. My HCT is only 48 right now so I have room there. I am starting my anabolics tomorrow, just for ease of use I am going to do Mon-Wed-Friday Test 60mg/Mast 40mg for a total of 300mg dose to start. I will titrate up from here. That should be a decent boost from 120mg to 300mg a week. I will have to watch myself to not be quick tempered the first week or two while adjusting since that is double the androgens. I should also notice increased recovery, motivation, and some nice positive aggression in the gym out of it too.

Here is my starting point at 208 this morning fasted. I maintained this on 120mg test e a week starting 6 weeks out from the show. Not doing too bad for as hard as I have been on myself for relaxing a bit. I just think I needed it both physically and mentally.

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Sounds like you are locked and loaded!!! A little planning goes a long way. Pics look good esp being on only 120mg since b4 the show. I didn’t check the past pics but from what I recall at 208 your lower back looks tighter and leaner from the last time. I know as I get older the lower back and outer lower pec are the stubborn areas. You are starting off in a better place on both. And, as you stated, all other areas lookin good!!!

Duck eggs
 
Looks like a good plan, well thought out and should be an effective training program with flexibility, and you’re still sitting in a good place… looking beastly. Your body should be primed and respond well to an increase in anabolics.💪
Thanks, I tried not to make it too busy, while also trying to hit most angles. and may change a few things if I find that it is. I also hope I didn't misjudge what I can recover from. I think I should be okay with an every 5 day for major muscle groups, and shoulders and arms getting more frequency.

Here is an example of what is on tap for today.
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Sounds like you are locked and loaded!!! A little planning goes a long way. Pics look good esp being on only 120mg since b4 the show. I didn’t check the past pics but from what I recall at 208 your lower back looks tighter and leaner from the last time. I know as I get older the lower back and outer lower pec are the stubborn areas. You are starting off in a better place on both. And, as you stated, all other areas lookin good!!!

Duck eggs
Thank you Sir! Yeah, I am pretty impressed with my current state for the mild momentary meltdown I had. Oh, I went back and changed the wording. I had my last testosterone shot 1.5 weeks before my show, and then started the TRT dose @ 120mg 6 weeks post contest. With the long esters in Sustanon I had to wait a bit longer before reintroducing test to let things clear to normal levels.
 
dude it's amazing how lean you are looking at 208+ with a "relaxed" diet. You are still maintaining a phenomenal foundation!
 
Looking great!

I’m skeptical of the split, concerning recoverability - doing Skullcrushers as the only tricep movement the immediate day before chest means you likely have some pressing movements on tap for the Chest day, not just flies. Which means you’re wearing out your triceps, then re-tearing them indirectly 24 hours later, limiting some of the net growth potential from that first exposure.

If you moved those to Chest day, it could be a helpful pre-exhaustion to allow more chest emphasis during the pressing. But as is, with less than 48 hours to recover, it seems like a bad stim/fatigue ratio.

I know I’m extrapolating here, but with a 4 on 1 off, you already have more frequency even without pairing antagonistic muscle groups in one day. So really pay attention to your recovery!
 
Looking great!

I’m skeptical of the split, concerning recoverability - doing Skullcrushers as the only tricep movement the immediate day before chest means you likely have some pressing movements on tap for the Chest day, not just flies. Which means you’re wearing out your triceps, then re-tearing them indirectly 24 hours later, limiting some of the net growth potential from that first exposure.

If you moved those to Chest day, it could be a helpful pre-exhaustion to allow more chest emphasis during the pressing. But as is, with less than 48 hours to recover, it seems like a bad stim/fatigue ratio.

I know I’m extrapolating here, but with a 4 on 1 off, you already have more frequency even without pairing antagonistic muscle groups in one day. So really pay attention to your recovery!
I am not surprised that you mentioned that because I was just looking at it and thought to myself it doesn't really make much sense to try to squeeze the triceps and biceps onto the ends of the opposing days when the split is so short and frequency is going to be high anyway. It was important to spread the arm work across more sessions per week with my old split for more frequency. I was overthinking things to keep up the frequency. This split is less days and higher frequency already. So, I am going to do biceps at the end of back to touch on them, and triceps after chest. The shorter split will keep up the frequency for arms on its own. Then the whole thing is more efficient, and cohesive.

I guess it just turned into a P/P/L with an arm and shoulder day added.

Good Looking Out!

Oh wow, I thought I posted this Monday.

Amazing you are still holding on the low body fat. Legs are looking pretty crazy!!
Thanks Man, I have been trying to keep things reasonable.

Yesterday was a wash for me, I woke up with a migraine that although it improved the headache just kind of stuck with me most of the day. I went back to bed, got up a few times for the restroom but other than that was in bed until about noon. It finally broke a bit and I got a couple errands run, and took my daughter on a "Daddy Daughter Date" since we were the only ones around. I did not end up training yesterday because I just had that headache kind of looming throughout the day and I didn't want to do anything to bring it back full force.

My back session Monday was a bit much, I had a feeling the actual pull ups might push me much harder and they did. So I removed the straight arm pull downs, and that did the trick, my lats are more sore than they have been in some time.

Back
Pull Ups 3x MyoRep Match @2-0RIR
7
4>2>1
3>2>1>1 - the final 2 reps here were all out, and didn't quite get chin over the bar but good enough to count for hypertrophy work!

Cable Flexion Rows 3x MyoRep Match @2RIR
130x13
130x11>2
130x9>4

Reverse Grip High Row 3x MyoRep Match @2RIR
70x17
70x14>3
70x13>4

Single Arm Preacher Curls 3x 10-20 @2RIR
30x10
30x9
30x7

It probably doesn't look like a huge session but I had so many approaches to failure the volume of hard reps was plenty high enough. Especially with the Pull Ups. I haven't really done them in a year so this was a big change, and definitely a big challenge.

I will be training at the gym across the street today, doing chest and triceps, then tonight I am going out to dinner with a co-worker / friend who is in town from another office. I will try to keep that one a high protein outing, but not sure what kind of food he will want. It is obviously the guests choice where we go.
 
That definitely looks like a hard session when all those sets are that circa-failure. That’s how my hypertrophy training is now, and just a couple exercises are very draining with only 1-2 work sets when you are approaching failure in that 6-12 rep range.
 
Yesterday was a wash for me, I woke up with a migraine that although it improved the headache just kind of stuck with me most of the day. I went back to bed, got up a few times for the restroom but other than that was in bed until about noon.

My back session Monday was a bit much, I had a feeling the actual pull ups might push me much harder and they did.

but I had so many approaches to failure the volume of hard reps was plenty high enough.

You've been going balls to the wall for a long time man. Are you recovered enough? I would think anything that kept you in bed until noon is going to keep your average millennial in bed till tomorrow.
 
You've been going balls to the wall for a long time man. Are you recovered enough? I would think anything that kept you in bed until noon is going to keep your average millennial in bed till tomorrow.

“Average millennials”
Dunno why but that cracked me up. Probably cuz it’s true.
 
You guys been reading up on SLU-PP-332? Looks like it’s right up your alley. Thinking about running 200mcg next cut
I don’t know that I’d spend the monies for that…could run 2iu GH daily for the same month or so of SLUPP. Which definitely aids fat loss, so SLUPP better kick ass for the same $100.

Of course GH is bad for your blood sugar, so there’s that too.
 
You've been going balls to the wall for a long time man. Are you recovered enough? I would think anything that kept you in bed until noon is going to keep your average millennial in bed till tomorrow.
I think so, that 2 week active recovery phase really seems to have helped with a lot of the little issues. Not sure where the headache came from but I think it was a sinus based one. I work on the 41st floor of my building, and my ears have been popping in the elevator at work, so I know I have some head congestion. I just assume it had to do with that. Also thanks. LOL
“Average millennials”
Dunno why but that cracked me up. Probably cuz it’s true.
Right, it was funny.
I was like wait, aren't I a millennial?

yes, but I identify as gen x
You're an "Elder Millennial" or "Millennial X" otherwise known as the "Hey, I am not a puzzy like them!" group.
Same. But I identify as an Apache helicopter.
Hey at least that is something super cool!
@MrKleen73
@akboom87

You guys been reading up on SLU-PP-332? Looks like it’s right up your alley. Thinking about running 200mcg next cut
No, I haven't checked into it.
Been seeing you and one of the other fellas do dead hangs. Like them? More for the stretch, grip strength?
For me, the stretch, and decompression of the spine. It is kind of two fold. I want to do them when pumped as possible so I can get some hypertrophic benefit from the stretch, similar to the purpose of a DC stretch, but also trying to decompress my spine a bit also. See if it helps keep some of my little nerve issues at bay, or at least alleviates them in some way.
Thanks!
I don’t know that I’d spend the monies for that…could run 2iu GH daily for the same month or so of SLUPP. Which definitely aids fat loss, so SLUPP better kick ass for the same $100.

Of course GH is bad for your blood sugar, so there’s that too.
That makes a lot of sense if the cost is the same then perhaps using the one that would help my connective tissue also would be the way to go there. The blood sugar stuff can be corrected pretty easily for most.

Had a great session last night. Me and my coworker had to reschedule our dinner plans for today. So I was able to train at the gym last night. I am really enjoying the training which is awesome. I found some good training weights for jumping back in, and then went to work.

I use RIR but my app uses RPE, so just consider an 8.5 as a 1.5RIR, or a 9RPE as a 1RIR. Myorep sets are separated to make easier to see how it was formatted.

Chest, triceps and medial delts - Wednesday, Nov 13, 2024 at 8:04pm

Incline Iso-lateral Chest Press
"3 sets MyoRep match"

Set 1: 90 lbs x 8 @ 8.5 rpe

Set 2: 90 lbs x 7 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 3: 90 lbs x 1 @ 8.5 rpe [Myo]

Set 4: 90 lbs x 4 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 5: 90 lbs x 1 @ 9 rpe [Myo]
Set 6: 90 lbs x 1 @ 10 rpe [Failure]


Iso-Lateral Chest Press (Machine)
"MyoRep match 2nd and 3rd set"

Set 1: 70 lbs x 8 @ 9 rpe

Set 2: 45 lbs x 8 @ 8 rpe

Set 3: 45 lbs x 8 @ 10 rpe
- I probably should have stopped at 6 which was 2RIR and went back for the last 2 but I pushed them.

Max Stretch Chest Fly (Dumbbell) = 10 Full ROM & up to 10 LRP

Set 1: 25 lbs x 10+5 @ 8.5 rpe
- RPE is based on 1st 10 reps

Set 2: 25 lbs x 10+1 @ 10 rpe - My chest was just simply done at this point. I didn't have anything else productive to give.


EZ Bar Overhead Triceps Extension
3 MyoRep Match Sets

Set 1: 60 lbs x 13 @ 8.5 rpe

Set 2: 60 lbs x 11 @ 8 rpe
Set 3: 60 lbs x 2 @ 8.5 rpe [MYO]

Set 4: 60 lbs x 7 @ 8 rpe
Set 5: 60 lbs x 3 @ 8 rpe [Myo]
Set 6: 60 lbs x 3 @ 9 rpe [Myo] -
Whew, pretty wild how much 3 of these can annihilate the triceps.


Standing Lateral Raise
"3 MyoRep match sets"

Set 1: 50 lbs x 15 @ 8 rpe

Set 2: 50 lbs x 11 @ 8 rpe
Set 3: 50 lbs x 4 @ 8 rpe [Myo]

Set 4: 50 lbs x 10 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 5: 50 lbs x 3 @ 8.5 rpe [Myo]
Set 6: 50 lbs x 2 @ 10 rpe [Myo] -
My shoulders were pumped to the gills by the end of these. Great stimulation!!!

This was an awesome workout, I feel I get a much better training stimulus with the myorep match sets, and don't have to have a busy session changing exercises nonstop. It was challenging enough for me to consider dropping a set or two. We will see how it all works out with the DOMS, and then how many weeks it takes before I need a deload.
 
Same. But I identify as an Apache helicopter.
brrrrrraaaap!
I am really enjoying the training which is awesome.
🤘
Whew, pretty wild how much 3 of these can annihilate the triceps.
Man I've been loving them so much this year. I dodged that entire movement for so many years because it always made my elbows pop but since my buddy and I started bringing them in carefully, first as a lying skull crusher, then with the cable over head, the added rom has been phenomenal and I think a major growth stimulator for the triceps. I mean I've lifted with this guy for years and we were doing standing overhead extensions (cable though) and he was even commenting on how much my triceps seem to have grown since we brought them into the routine. that extra rom really seems to hit everything nicely.
 
brrrrrraaaap!

🤘

Man I've been loving them so much this year. I dodged that entire movement for so many years because it always made my elbows pop but since my buddy and I started bringing them in carefully, first as a lying skull crusher, then with the cable over head, the added rom has been phenomenal and I think a major growth stimulator for the triceps. I mean I've lifted with this guy for years and we were doing standing overhead extensions (cable though) and he was even commenting on how much my triceps seem to have grown since we brought them into the routine. that extra rom really seems to hit everything nicely.
The single DB Overhead triceps used to be my favorite movement for triceps, now with my shoulder a little knackered these seem to do the trick with less shoulder discomfort. Like you said something about that massive ROM and ability to not only get super deep in the stretch but have it be when gravity is also having the most effect on the weight is like hypertrophy perfection. I used to think I was getting robbed that the top / lockout portion was easier, now I know that it doesn't even matter, the stretch is where it is at anyway. Plus my triceps get plenty locking out in my pressing movements.

Starting to feel a tiny bit of DOMS in my pecs, and my lats and mid back are both still a little sore. Pretty happy with how things are going at the beginning of this meso.

Surprisingly, I can already feel that I am producing more estrogen. I can feel it in my nipples, so I am going to go take a lil exemestane, and go ahead and bump Masteron equal to Testosterone starting with my next shot, which will put androgens at 360mg/wk. I will ride that until the 25th, and bump up to 540mg to take advantage of the inevitable surplus of calories from Thanksgiving. Then will ride that for about 4 weeks before increasing the dose again. I just want to step up a little so my temper & disposition are easy to manage on the way up compared to if I just jumped to 540mg from 120mg.
 
I used to think I was getting robbed that the top / lockout portion was easier, now I know that it doesn't even matter, the stretch is where it is at anyway. Plus my triceps get plenty locking out in my pressing movements.

that was the conclusion we came to as well. using the rope accessory on the cable machine is letting me pick a grip width that gives my elbows full range without popping, and letting that sucker pull my triceps as far as they'll go is feeling crazy effective. after so many years of focusing on lock out in extensions, going over head and getting that deep stretch is awesome
 
I started it 2 days ago, im doing 2mg per week broken into daily shots,but im gonna load up and go 4mg next time and 6mg after that. Im giving each dose 30 days before adjusting.


Sorry for the thread hijacking

Keep us posted! Are you running a log currently?
 
Keep us posted! Are you running a log currently?
I actually erased that post because i made a mistake, those were my tb500 doses lol. Mots im doing 10mg per week. I have not started a log but I am going to be at some point once I noticed the effects a bit. I dont want to start a log and have nothing to report for a few weeks
 
I actually erased that post because i made a mistake, those were my tb500 doses lol. Mots im doing 10mg per week. I have not started a log but I am going to be at some point once I noticed the effects a bit. I dont want to start a log and have nothing to report for a few weeks
10mg a week? Is that 1 bottle/wk?
 
Look into mots-c
I will have to do a lil research on that. Not familiar with it.

that was the conclusion we came to as well. using the rope accessory on the cable machine is letting me pick a grip width that gives my elbows full range without popping, and letting that sucker pull my triceps as far as they'll go is feeling crazy effective. after so many years of focusing on lock out in extensions, going over head and getting that deep stretch is awesome
Yeah, cutting the lockout out on them actually allows me to get my triceps to burn a bit which is not normal for me when stopping when I fail to get full ROM.
Yes and thats a somewhat low dose. Ive seen protocals for 10mg per day
Doesn't sound cheap at all.
So $55 a bottle plus Bac water?
Yeah at $55 a week it would really have to be showing me some serious benefits.

Well guys, I have to admit, I am having a hard time right now with my diet. I have just had a hard time getting myself locked back into strict dieting. I am honestly having a hard time finding the motivation for bodybuilding at all at this moment. Not really sure why, trying to find that OOMPH, but since I took my foot off the gas after the contest, I can't seem to find the desire required to sacrifice for the goal right now. I am not giving up because I am bulking right now and can keep working to grow, while having a looser diet, but I sure hope I can find the desire to really buckle down again soon. Right now everything feels like an I have to, and not an I want to, and even the have to feeling is just not that strong. I am trying to fake it until I make it right now, and going to have to really commit to this all the way, or admit to myself that I simply don't have the desire to do what is necessary to compete in bodybuilding currently. I succeeded at my original goal of competing, and maybe my original plan of competing and then going back to a more relaxed and fun level of fitness might be the way for me. I know monetarily it would take some stress off of the family. Plus we are running 2 cars in the family right now due to some even more expensive vehicle repairs required for my daughters car. There are just a lot of little annoying obstacles in the way. So I feel I am just getting it from all ends, which is stressing me the F out, and feeling like I am failing at this goal with everything else going on is just adding to it.

For now my androgens are not costing me anything and as long as I am training, have adequate protein, and am in a surplus I should continue growing, even if I am a little more relaxed with my nutrition. I can still make some progress in growth, and hope I can find that desire and discipline along the way. So going to keep on keeping on in hopes that not stopping and allowing myself a little freedom on the way up might reinvigorate my desire to get everything dialed all the way back in. If not, then I know I am simply not motivated enough to do what is needed at this point. I know, all it takes is just one bit of in the groove to get me into the zone, so just not giving up, and hoping I can find desire required to push the envelope in the way it needs to be. However, if not then it simply is not mentally healthy for me to keep beating myself up over not having the desire to do something I committed myself to while I had tons of desire for it due to my environment at the time.
 
I am trying to fake it until I make it right now,

I don't think there is anything wrong with that, I think it's half of the secret of success. You had pointed out weeks ago that me starting the var on Nov 17th gives me a 6 week cycle, enough to run the cube predator, and finish at new years. I had cut from 207 to 183 and was floating high 180s post vacation without a clear cut direction. I knew I wanted to be leaner, but I had a mix of ideas in my head and routine was taking priority over focused goals. so for those next couple weeks I started stocking my supplements, making a mental plan, looking over the programming, etc. I even talked to my gym buddy and my son and told them both "Sunday Nov 17th, I'm kicking off this program if you guys wanna join me on a bro sesh". Slowly kept making it real and when the big day hit, it was go time. I felt great to be back into a set direction. But there was a period of lull there for a while. I think we've seen nearly everyone in the AM group experience from time to time. Especially a little burnout after chasing a particular goal too long. or burnout after bulking to the point of discomfort, cutting to the point of losing all joy in the other aspects of life.

The fire in your belly will come back, I have zero doubt of that. Faking it right now, keeping some essence of routine is just going to ensure you have this tremendous foundation already in place when you're ready.
 
I think you get one life and you should do what makes you satisfied. Sometimes, maybe a lot of times in the case of bodybuilding, that can be uncomfortable - certainly not what we’d call “happy”. But at some point, competing or doing the things to be most competitive has to pay out - there has to be a moment where you stand there when the dust clears and say, “it was all worth it”.

If you are not motivated by those moments, and you are not motivated by the journey, you should not beat yourself up over not being so strict, or as successful as that might yield. You have to want it - and it’s okay if you don’t right now. Be good to your family, try to maintain your health, and try to do what makes you happy each day if it doesn’t totally conflict with the former things. Then you will be at peace, living within your values and priorities.
 
I will have to do a lil research on that. Not familiar with it.


Yeah, cutting the lockout out on them actually allows me to get my triceps to burn a bit which is not normal for me when stopping when I fail to get full ROM.

Doesn't sound cheap at all.

Yeah at $55 a week it would really have to be showing me some serious benefits.

Well guys, I have to admit, I am having a hard time right now with my diet. I have just had a hard time getting myself locked back into strict dieting. I am honestly having a hard time finding the motivation for bodybuilding at all at this moment. Not really sure why, trying to find that OOMPH, but since I took my foot off the gas after the contest, I can't seem to find the desire required to sacrifice for the goal right now. I am not giving up because I am bulking right now and can keep working to grow, while having a looser diet, but I sure hope I can find the desire to really buckle down again soon. Right now everything feels like an I have to, and not an I want to, and even the have to feeling is just not that strong. I am trying to fake it until I make it right now, and going to have to really commit to this all the way, or admit to myself that I simply don't have the desire to do what is necessary to compete in bodybuilding currently. I succeeded at my original goal of competing, and maybe my original plan of competing and then going back to a more relaxed and fun level of fitness might be the way for me. I know monetarily it would take some stress off of the family. Plus we are running 2 cars in the family right now due to some even more expensive vehicle repairs required for my daughters car. There are just a lot of little annoying obstacles in the way. So I feel I am just getting it from all ends, which is stressing me the F out, and feeling like I am failing at this goal with everything else going on is just adding to it.

For now my androgens are not costing me anything and as long as I am training, have adequate protein, and am in a surplus I should continue growing, even if I am a little more relaxed with my nutrition. I can still make some progress in growth, and hope I can find that desire and discipline along the way. So going to keep on keeping on in hopes that not stopping and allowing myself a little freedom on the way up might reinvigorate my desire to get everything dialed all the way back in. If not, then I know I am simply not motivated enough to do what is needed at this point. I know, all it takes is just one bit of in the groove to get me into the zone, so just not giving up, and hoping I can find desire required to push the envelope in the way it needs to be. However, if not then it simply is not mentally healthy for me to keep beating myself up over not having the desire to do something I committed myself to while I had tons of desire for it due to my environment at the time.
If mots holds up to its claims then its 100$ worth it in my honest opinion, for health and longevity, its good for sooooo many things. I can say so far my only notes so far is that im loosing weight and look flat until i start lifting. My hair looks a little fluffier which i didn't know theres benifits for hair growth till yesterday. My energy is high but my mood is not great. Now im gonna chalk the mood up to seasonal depression which is normal for me and work is annoying lately as im going non stop and not sleeping much.

Definitely look into mots. Also, once more places start carrying mots the price will go down. Always does.
 
So roughly same cost as retatrutide. COOL
Yes, But it's not comparable at all. The benifits of mots go way beyond fitness and its much more like carderine but with more positives and no "potential " cancer risks which ive yet to see 1 case of a person get cancer from gw and its been around since the 90's. If the research on mots holds up then its something i would want to take forever. Id probably use it in rotation with things like carderine and other like drugs.

Retuteride (spell check please) does seem much better then the ozempic drugs as at least RE has fat loss properties
 
Yes, But it's not comparable at all. The benifits of mots go way beyond fitness and its much more like carderine but with more positives and no "potential " cancer risks which ive yet to see 1 case of a person get cancer from gw and its been around since the 90's. If the research on mots holds up then its something i would want to take forever. Id probably use it in rotation with things like carderine and other like drugs.

Retuteride (spell check please) does seem much better then the ozempic drugs as at least RE has fat loss properties
lets say somebody gets lung cancer. how would they be able to prove it was cardarine that caused it??
 
I will have to do a lil research on that. Not familiar with it.


Yeah, cutting the lockout out on them actually allows me to get my triceps to burn a bit which is not normal for me when stopping when I fail to get full ROM.

Doesn't sound cheap at all.

Yeah at $55 a week it would really have to be showing me some serious benefits.

Well guys, I have to admit, I am having a hard time right now with my diet. I have just had a hard time getting myself locked back into strict dieting. I am honestly having a hard time finding the motivation for bodybuilding at all at this moment. Not really sure why, trying to find that OOMPH, but since I took my foot off the gas after the contest, I can't seem to find the desire required to sacrifice for the goal right now. I am not giving up because I am bulking right now and can keep working to grow, while having a looser diet, but I sure hope I can find the desire to really buckle down again soon. Right now everything feels like an I have to, and not an I want to, and even the have to feeling is just not that strong. I am trying to fake it until I make it right now, and going to have to really commit to this all the way, or admit to myself that I simply don't have the desire to do what is necessary to compete in bodybuilding currently. I succeeded at my original goal of competing, and maybe my original plan of competing and then going back to a more relaxed and fun level of fitness might be the way for me. I know monetarily it would take some stress off of the family. Plus we are running 2 cars in the family right now due to some even more expensive vehicle repairs required for my daughters car. There are just a lot of little annoying obstacles in the way. So I feel I am just getting it from all ends, which is stressing me the F out, and feeling like I am failing at this goal with everything else going on is just adding to it.

For now my androgens are not costing me anything and as long as I am training, have adequate protein, and am in a surplus I should continue growing, even if I am a little more relaxed with my nutrition. I can still make some progress in growth, and hope I can find that desire and discipline along the way. So going to keep on keeping on in hopes that not stopping and allowing myself a little freedom on the way up might reinvigorate my desire to get everything dialed all the way back in. If not, then I know I am simply not motivated enough to do what is needed at this point. I know, all it takes is just one bit of in the groove to get me into the zone, so just not giving up, and hoping I can find desire required to push the envelope in the way it needs to be. However, if not then it simply is not mentally healthy for me to keep beating myself up over not having the desire to do something I committed myself to while I had tons of desire for it due to my environment at the time.
I agree with what’s already been said, that there’s nothing wrong with that….just like we can overtrain and be drained with training, we all know we can get burned out mentally, and need a deload per say Just take your time and do what you enjoy. And obviously the idea of a cut through Thanksgiving and Christmas is extremely challenging, so I would train how you feel and continue on the bulk. Maybe you and your wife can take a little weekend break, even if it’s dinner and a movie or just going walking on trails or anywhere there’s beautiful scenery and just de-stress. I mean the dedication and stress you’ve been through this year it’s totally understandable you’re experiencing burnout. Just enjoy life brother whatever you choose.👍😎
 
My energy is high but my mood is not great. Now im gonna chalk the mood up to seasonal depression which is normal for me and work is annoying lately as im going non stop and not sleeping much.

100% this during this time of year. It's dark out, everyone's mentally checked out for the year at work, but we're not quite at the holidays yet... I get it. I think a lot of us are in that same space. I struggle every year about this time too.
 
Yes, But it's not comparable at all. The benifits of mots go way beyond fitness and its much more like carderine but with more positives and no "potential " cancer risks which ive yet to see 1 case of a person get cancer from gw and its been around since the 90's. If the research on mots holds up then its something i would want to take forever. Id probably use it in rotation with things like carderine and other like drugs.

Retuteride (spell check please) does seem much better then the ozempic drugs as at least RE has fat loss properties
I had just watched. Vigorous Steve vid of non-stim fat loss stack and both of these were part of a LONG list. Out of curiosity, I was just trying to “math” the cost.
 
I will have to do a lil research on that. Not familiar with it.


Yeah, cutting the lockout out on them actually allows me to get my triceps to burn a bit which is not normal for me when stopping when I fail to get full ROM.

Doesn't sound cheap at all.

Yeah at $55 a week it would really have to be showing me some serious benefits.

Well guys, I have to admit, I am having a hard time right now with my diet. I have just had a hard time getting myself locked back into strict dieting. I am honestly having a hard time finding the motivation for bodybuilding at all at this moment. Not really sure why, trying to find that OOMPH, but since I took my foot off the gas after the contest, I can't seem to find the desire required to sacrifice for the goal right now. I am not giving up because I am bulking right now and can keep working to grow, while having a looser diet, but I sure hope I can find the desire to really buckle down again soon. Right now everything feels like an I have to, and not an I want to, and even the have to feeling is just not that strong. I am trying to fake it until I make it right now, and going to have to really commit to this all the way, or admit to myself that I simply don't have the desire to do what is necessary to compete in bodybuilding currently. I succeeded at my original goal of competing, and maybe my original plan of competing and then going back to a more relaxed and fun level of fitness might be the way for me. I know monetarily it would take some stress off of the family. Plus we are running 2 cars in the family right now due to some even more expensive vehicle repairs required for my daughters car. There are just a lot of little annoying obstacles in the way. So I feel I am just getting it from all ends, which is stressing me the F out, and feeling like I am failing at this goal with everything else going on is just adding to it.

For now my androgens are not costing me anything and as long as I am training, have adequate protein, and am in a surplus I should continue growing, even if I am a little more relaxed with my nutrition. I can still make some progress in growth, and hope I can find that desire and discipline along the way. So going to keep on keeping on in hopes that not stopping and allowing myself a little freedom on the way up might reinvigorate my desire to get everything dialed all the way back in. If not, then I know I am simply not motivated enough to do what is needed at this point. I know, all it takes is just one bit of in the groove to get me into the zone, so just not giving up, and hoping I can find desire required to push the envelope in the way it needs to be. However, if not then it simply is not mentally healthy for me to keep beating myself up over not having the desire to do something I committed myself to while I had tons of desire for it due to my environment at the time.
Sounds like some cumulative fatigue. Mitigate what you can, don’t stress over what you have no control over, do what you WANT to do.(within reason🤣). You did more in the last yr than most do in a decade. Reflect on that. RP Mike references all types of fatigue often. We can only compartmentalize so much. You had the HVAC issue, the frigde(I think), and now you are a vehicle short. Right there, that is enough to take the wind out of your sails. You can only control what you can control. Such a cliche but it is true.
 
100% this during this time of year. It's dark out, everyone's mentally checked out for the year at work, but we're not quite at the holidays yet... I get it. I think a lot of us are in that same space. I struggle every year about this time too.
New Years is always depressing to me. I never feel like my year lived up to what i could have done. When i was younger and party too much i always felt like i wasted another year being unsuccessful and now im doing good for myself as a whole but still not good enough, im capable of more. And i let too many opportunities pass by. I feel the same every year. Almost like its become a learned behavior for me to hate this time of year
 
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