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It Is Here- AN's Write-Up for 2009's Biggest Product!!!!!!

DR.D said:
This compound looks chemically unstable! It may be prone to rapid oxidation. You better send me about 5-10 bottles to test for you guys. :p
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Ha-ha :)

Nice to see you in the thread.....
 
Orangepeel said:
I beleive that graph shows epi as being so week because its limited to the gains you'll receive within 2 weeks - epi is just starting to work its magic at the 2-3 week mark
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to quantify- epi is not weak by any way, shape, or form- it is actually one of my favorite compounds....

and yes, the results curve on epi is a little longer/drawn out over time- this is not necessarily a bad thing :)
 
Enigma76 said:
The testers are all doing the PCTs you outlined yes? Using 6-bromo, and none are using SERMS?

I particularly like your last comment. Props to you.

Couple other questions that intrigued me. Since I'm trying to lean out, which for me is quite the process since school isn't so forgiving to diet or exercise, dieting and in particular carb cycling have been on my mind.

I'm curious if anyone has pulsed orals with particularly good glycogen storing properties when doing carb refeeds? Especially since you already know this compound has GLUT4 effects, would using a couple during your refeed/cheat days have a good effect? I'm fairly knowledgeable yet inexperienced about the old PHs (1-AD days) and the newer designers, but I lack knowledge about pulsing strategies and theories.

Or if this would even be desired? If one were cutting, and trying to carb cycle, what would be the best way to implement this? Cycle it like normal and alter training/diet to cut? Or pulse it on cheat/refeed days?

This post might bely some of my own ignorance about pulsing orals, and if it leads the conversation down the wrong path then by all means don't answer it here.
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I think your hypothesis should hold water- The One should work great on a re-feed type scenario- just don't go overboard (like me- I have eaten 11K kcals in a one day refeed, do not try that LOL). I would experiment, and find out what works best for you- I guess I could throw out a good starting point...

Use The One 5 on/2 off throught
Days 1-2 (low carb) The One @ 65-70 mg/day to ward off potential catabolism
Days 3-4 (low carb) do not take
Days 5-7 The One @ 65-70 mg/day, including on your refeed day (or days)

My reasoning is that the first two days post-refeed are going to be fairly catabolic, so you may want to have something that will reverse the catabolism and glycolysis from depleted carbs. Day 3 and 4- let your protein intake drop slightly, with your carb intake coming up slightly- this will resensitize your nitrogen balance and it will take a compensatory drop (albeit slight). Days 5-7 up your protein, and your nitrogen retention will theoretically spike from the decreased protein on days 3 and 4, plus you will get an extra boost in nitrogen retention from The One, and increased kcals...

remember- I am just throwing this out there- may or may not work well....
 
TommyTuffGuy said:
I asked this over on bb.com but didn't get a response. How would this be for a n00b with PH's and these kind of compounds? I'm very familiar from the boards about proper PCT and on cycle supplementation and diet, but have only truly experimented with 11-OXO. Thanks.
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as long as you start at a lower dose, follow the training, diet, rest, pct, and supplementation recommendations (and follow them well) you should have minimal sides...the trick is following the recommendations- but it should keep you out of trouble.....
 
steveironman said:
Im very intriged by this. A dht prohrmone with an anabolic and androgenic rating higher than anadrol??
With a true dht pathway like winny, primo and anavar??
I dunno guys....very curious to see what kind of results here also curious as to how hard shutdown will actually occur and type of pct needed...at any rate very interesting. As usual im skeptical....but intrigued....
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like I said- anabolic/androgenic ratios are not always the gospel- anadrol is 320 to 45- or about the same as Winny (320 to 30)- but we know from the real world that this does not pan out. There are usually a lot of other factors at play- and the effects are NOTHING like anadrol- Anadrol contains a hydroxymethylene at the 2nd carbon and is a VERY hard molecule for your body to work with- plus, it aromatizes to estrogen (big time), and because of this, causes very rapid shutdown, gyno, and a ton of water retention, plus massive bp increases.......

and a true dht pathway- yes, but I am not sure to what extent it follows winny or var in this aspect- the newer research on winny has found that it has its own receptors in certain areas (no bs)- so there is probably more to this stuff- and from what I have seen, it has some very different results than win or some of the other dht derivs.

as far as suppression- from tester data- seems to be on the low end and minimal- but need to get more data...
 
Lanbane said:
You guys see Dirks avatar?

Dog on right > DBol
Dog on left > The One






LOL
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Be careful- DBol bites (no b.s.) :)

She is the strongest creature I have ever seen, pound for pound:thumbsup:
 
rms80 said:
as long as you start at a lower dose, follow the training, diet, rest, pct, and supplementation recommendations (and follow them well) you should have minimal sides...the trick is following the recommendations- but it should keep you out of trouble.....
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i was doing the math on this, at 2 caps a day you get 2 27.5 day cycles out of a bottle right? that should actually work quite well for some people
 
rms80 said:
like I said- anabolic/androgenic ratios are not always the gospel- anadrol is 320 to 45- or about the same as Winny (320 to 30)- but we know from the real world that this does not pan out. There are usually a lot of other factors at play- and the effects are NOTHING like anadrol- Anadrol contains a hydroxymethylene at the 2nd carbon and is a VERY hard molecule for your body to work with- plus, it aromatizes to estrogen (big time), and because of this, causes very rapid shutdown, gyno, and a ton of water retention, plus massive bp increases.......

and a true dht pathway- yes, but I am not sure to what extent it follows winny or var in this aspect- the newer research on winny has found that it has its own receptors in certain areas (no bs)- so there is probably more to this stuff- and from what I have seen, it has some very different results than win or some of the other dht derivs.

as far as suppression- from tester data- seems to be on the low end and minimal- but need to get more data...
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very true statement if that were the case halotestin would be the most amazing mass/strength compound ever invented and the worlds most popular steroid and well we know that simply isnt even close to being the case. At any rate thanks for your response...one of the interesting factors is the dht prohormone with as you said diff results than typically associated with dht derived steroids....esp as i said as it utilizes trad dht pathway meaning unlike anadrols mechanisms which as u know due to its molecular structure and effects while technically dht roid it doesnt act/behave like trad dht (and actually chemically it should not aromitize...many people suspect the estro reaction results from stimulating the estrogen receptor ie: increase receptor sensativity) sorry im OT....anyway again I'm very intrigued ....
 
Receptor Downgrade?

What about receptor downgrade. I've learned from my own body that I probably cannot run the same Prohormone twice. I literally got nothing out of Erg 1-AD and Superdrol the second time each. Is there anything about the structure of The One that suggests that this is less likely to happen (the body adapting)?

4-5 weeks on and 2-3 months off?

If someone got killer results, can they run it again 2-3 months later? Or should something else be run. There's that whole debate about running the same PH twice in a row.

Anyway, theoretically, could this be run 3 times a year?


and btw, are you telling me people gained 10+lbs and did not suffer lethargy and decreased libido? Wow..... This and dymethazine sound exciting: true designers with high gains and low sides.
 
something you can try for AR resensitization is moderately high dosed carnitine. ALCAR is a reasonable choice, need at least 3g a day.
 
paulg said:
What about receptor downgrade. I've learned from my own body that I probably cannot run the same Prohormone twice. I literally got nothing out of Erg 1-AD and Superdrol the second time each. Is there anything about the structure of The One that suggests that this is less likely to happen (the body adapting)?

4-5 weeks on and 2-3 months off?

If someone got killer results, can they run it again 2-3 months later? Or should something else be run. There's that whole debate about running the same PH twice in a row.

Anyway, theoretically, could this be run 3 times a year?

and btw, are you telling me people gained 10+lbs and did not suffer lethargy and decreased libido? Wow..... This and dymethazine sound exciting: true designers with high gains and low sides.
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As long as you give yourself clean breaks you should be fine. I've never heard of receptor downgrade for a given substance even after months of being off...that is unless your "off" cycle is an "on" cycle of something else. Receptors in general will downgrade when you continuously run similar products back to back, as it's the essentially the same mechanisms at work. Switching to another similar substance probably won't make much difference.

So yes, you can run this as you suggest, assuming the aforementioned off cycle.

Next question: Testers continuously experienced ~15lb gains; increased libido, energy and mood improvements. :head:
 
camaleon said:
when this product is coming out?

do u have any logs?
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ETA is roughly 4-5 weeks.

Opportunity for logs will be coming...Limited, though, as we don't need a lot of logs to prove the product WORKS as it says it does!
 
This looks really promising, and a large surprise coming from AN. I can't wait to see the feedback! I don't currently plan to ever run an oral methyl, at least when we have products like PPs 1T, but I love options.:pizza:
 
johnyq said:
This looks really promising, and a large surprise coming from AN. I can't wait to see the feedback! I don't currently plan to ever run an oral methyl, at least when we have products like PPs 1T, but I love options.:pizza:
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yeah I personally don't like 17 alkylated steroids too but if the short period gains are confirmed on the the first testers, this stuff is "the one" for me
 
steveironman said:
very true statement if that were the case halotestin would be the most amazing mass/strength compound ever invented and the worlds most popular steroid and well we know that simply isnt even close to being the case. At any rate thanks for your response...one of the interesting factors is the dht prohormone with as you said diff results than typically associated with dht derived steroids....esp as i said as it utilizes trad dht pathway meaning unlike anadrols mechanisms which as u know due to its molecular structure and effects while technically dht roid it doesnt act/behave like trad dht (and actually chemically it should not aromitize...many people suspect the estro reaction results from stimulating the estrogen receptor ie: increase receptor sensativity) sorry im OT....anyway again I'm very intrigued ....
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good response- anadrol is a dht deriv.- it shouldn't aromatize, but it does stimulate the E receptor somewhere along the line- some weird stuff- gave me projectile nosebleeds- can't and won't take it ever again- last time I took it, my bench went up to 405, and I squatted almost 600, LOL, but I felt really weird on it....halotestin is fun stuff- but it gives me massive migraines- and really turns me into a **** (or so I have been told)
 
paulg said:
What about receptor downgrade. I've learned from my own body that I probably cannot run the same Prohormone twice. I literally got nothing out of Erg 1-AD and Superdrol the second time each. Is there anything about the structure of The One that suggests that this is less likely to happen (the body adapting)?

4-5 weeks on and 2-3 months off?

If someone got killer results, can they run it again 2-3 months later? Or should something else be run. There's that whole debate about running the same PH twice in a row.

Anyway, theoretically, could this be run 3 times a year?


and btw, are you telling me people gained 10+lbs and did not suffer lethargy and decreased libido? Wow..... This and dymethazine sound exciting: true designers with high gains and low sides.
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most anabolics increase the amount of androgen receptors, not decrease :)

as far as sensitivity- everyone is different- but generally all ph's and anabolics follow the law of diminishing returns over time- I think the body may actually increase non-AR mediated catabolic factors (or even antibodies) against the same compound that may effect DNA/gene expression- but this is mere speculation- lot of newer research looks into this- look into haptens and immunoassay studies- you might find some more data on this

theoretically, yes, it could be run 3x in one year- I am suggesting that nobody run this compound longer than 4-5 weeks (see my post on harm reduction)- not that I think it would necessarily hurt- but I like to err on the side of caution- plus, 10-20 lbs. in 4 weeks is nothing to sneeze at :)
 
OzzY SluGGa said:
Well, whoever TGA is....screw you!
But then cause pro hormones have never been allowed here, I have no knowledge bout them whatsoever. So maybe a good thing, because knowing myself, I would bindly take this just for gains without really knowing possible health consequences. I certainly dont know how to PCT or anything. Strongest thing I have had is Powerfull(on it now) so maybe customs are saving me from myself. Still, I feel like a kid who had his toy taken from him :-(
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Have a look in australian customs list in supplement section has heaps of pages with what and does not get in. I have got m-drol and p-plex in no worries checked by customs.
 
Hi,

First let me congratulate you guys on developing a brand new compound that appears to be extraordinarily innovative - a rather uncommon occurance these days.

I'm a huge fan and loyal customer of your entire product line but I have never used any hormonal products before. Given my trust of AN and positive experiences with your other products, this would be the first time I'd consider jumping to "the dark side".

However, I have two questions/concerns. These questions are not meant to be inflammatory (again, I'm a huge fan) rather they are meant to be in keeping with your approach of minimizing harmfulness.

1. I don't understand why a company that's obviously invested substantial funds, time and effort into developing an innovative new compound would not have a more controlled test with full before and after bloodwork, constant monitoring of other physiological effects, etc. I realize this would require additional effort/investment but it's a "must do" for someone like me who has never tried a hormonal product to feel confident that it will be reasonable safe. I assume some of your employees/testers have health insurance, in which case getting bloodwork done before and after would be a negligible expense (less than $100 per tester) and would add a lot of validity to your product testing. Were I in your shoes, it would be a total "no-brainer" to get as much medical data as possible around my testers to present in support of my claims about the products safety and efficacy.

Is there any reason this does not seem to have been done? Is it just because you haven't had time yet?

2. I see in your write-up that apparently the entire PCT stack can be purchased over-the-counter? Is this really the case, given how potent the compound seems to be? Are you confident that no SERM or prescription drug will be required to properly restore the body's natural hormonal function post-cycle?

Again, I ask these questions as a loyal customer who, for the first time ever, would consider trying a hormonal supplement.

Thank you in advance for any additional info you can provide.
 
Azaloth said:
Hi,

First let me congratulate you guys on developing a brand new compound that appears to be extraordinarily innovative - a rather uncommon site these days.

I'm a huge fan and loyal customer of your entire product line but I have never used any hormonal products before. Given my trust of AN and positive experiences with your other products, this would be the first time I'd consider jumping to "the dark side".

However, I have two questions/concerns. These questions are not meant to be inflammatory (again, I'm a huge fan) rather they are meant to be in keeping with your approach of minimizing harmfulness.

1. I don't understand why a company that's obviously invested substantial funds, time and effort into developing an innovative new compound would not have a more controlled test with full before and after bloodwork, constant monitoring of other physiological effects, etc. I realize this would require additional effort/investment but it's a "must do" for someone like me who has never tried a hormonal product to feel confident that it will be reasonable safe. I assume some of your employees/testers have health insurance, in which case getting bloodwork done before and after would be a negligible expenses (less than $100 per tester) and would add a lot of validity to your product testing. Were I in your shoes, it would be a total "no-brainer" to get as much medical data as possible around my testers to present in support of my claims about the products safety and efficacy.

Is there any reason this does not seem to have been done? Is it just because you haven't had time yet?

2. I see in your write-up that apparently the entire PCT stack can be purchased over-the-counter? Is this really the case, given how potent the compound seems to be? Are you confident that no SERM or prescription drug will be required to properly restore the body's natural hormonal function post-cycle?

Again, I ask these questions as a loyal customer who, for the first time ever, would consider trying a hormonal supplement.

Thank you in advance for any additional info you can provide.
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Good questions indeed.
 
Azaloth said:
I'm a huge fan and loyal customer of your entire product line but I have never used any hormonal products before. Given my trust of AN and positive experiences with your other products, this would be the first time I'd consider jumping to "the dark side".
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IMO, this is a fairly large divergent from the rest of their lineup. Don't switch to the dark side just because it is AN producing it.

I agree with you though on all points. Happy to see them in this game, I trust them as much as I could, and I wondered why they didn't already have tests (although I know most other companies don't produce them before hitting the market as well...such is the game).
 
This looks very interesting, dirk! :)

I totally didn't expect something like this, so me likey. :food:
 
Trauma1 said:
This looks very interesting, dirk! :)

I totally didn't expect something like this, so me likey. :food:
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I told you bro...this is going to be a big hit. I'll be running this one myself and will start my log back up when I run my cycle. I plan on doing something a bit different with my cycle as well. ;).

Dirk and Don....my boy T1 should be on the short list for testers! He's one of the best reviewers out there and knows his sh*t.

Cheers Brutha Man!:cheers:
 
Azaloth said:
2. I see in your write-up that apparently the entire PCT stack can be purchased over-the-counter? Is this really the case, given how potent the compound seems to be? Are you confident that no SERM or prescription drug will be required to properly restore the body's natural hormonal function post-cycle?
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I dont think any companies recommend a serm for pct from a company standpoint. I just assumed that there was something prohibiting the company from urging people to use illegal serms with their products. I have no idea if thats correct or not, just my assumption...

The blood work issue, I dont know.
 
crewchief182 said:
I was really excited about this, but because it's a methyl, I think I'll pass. Thanks anyways AN and best of luck.
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I understand the hesitation quite well bud. I am not a fan of methyls either. However, as long as your responsible...you can minimize your chance for side effects. Its just a matter of using common sense and knowing what your doing. Above all else though...until your really in tune with your body and have really pushed your natural potential limits...stick with the natural route...and in that case...DRIVE/IGF-2/RPM is my personal favorite stack for great gains overall. No that is not a marketing ploy either...I made that statement well before I became a rep.

Cheers!:cheers:
 
Maverick60 said:
I dont think any companies recommend a serm for pct from a company standpoint. I just assumed that there was something prohibiting the company from urging people to use illegal serms with their products. I have no idea if thats correct or not, just my assumption...

The blood work issue, I dont know.
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I had the same thoughts regarding a formal recommendation of a SERM for PCT, however you see countless posts from reps of companies with hormonal products in which SERMs are recommended for PCT.

At some point, someone in the know should outline the safest possible PCT plan for the supplement (given their unique knowledge of the proprietary compound they are using). I realize this was already done in the original post, I'm just not sure if a SERM was omitted from their suggestions for legal/PR reasons or if it is genuinely not needed. Unfortuantely, my own knowledge of chemical compounds is virtually non-existant so I couldn't take much more than an educated guess regarding the true PCT needs for a supplement like this.
 
wood23 said:
Have a look in australian customs list in supplement section has heaps of pages with what and does not get in. I have got m-drol and p-plex in no worries checked by customs.
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Are they Pro hormones? I have been trying to research all this the last 2 days and just get more confused. Especially since It's all abbreviations, wich is frustrating if you dont know the full word!
And I cant help but notice the AN reps use terms like "relatively safe" or "you should be ok" etc, if you know what I mean. Doesnt exactly fill a man with confidence. No one has outlined in black and white EXACTLY what you must take and do after you do your "the one" cycle. Its mentioned here an there but nothing comprehensive in plain english. And I have to agree with the guy that asks why such a large, reputable company didnt have extensive bloodwork before, during and after.
Now before I get blasted, i realize i am speaking from relative ignorance(so AN boys an girls go easy) it just seems they have every answer bout product except what to do after....
 
Rodja said:
No, but I have access and am willing to run it to answer any toxicity/shutdown questions.
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I would definitely like seeing you run it...your one of my favorite reviewers in particular and I have only a few choice people I really pay attention to when it comes to reviews. ;)

Cheers!:cheers:
 
Maverick60 said:
Gotcha. I wouldnt think putting on 15 pounds would fit your fight training goals so I was going to be surprised.
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I am intrigued by the possibility for LBM and strength. More of a recomp cycle than a bulker to fit more of a athletic purpose.
 
Shocked by this out of AN, wasn't expecting a PH.

Looks awesome guys! I love the possibilities :D

Dirk, great work - again.
 
Azaloth said:
...1. I don't understand why a company that's obviously invested substantial funds, time and effort into developing an innovative new compound would not have a more controlled test with full before and after bloodwork, constant monitoring of other physiological effects, etc. I realize this would require additional effort/investment but it's a "must do" for someone like me who has never tried a hormonal product to feel confident that it will be reasonable safe. I assume some of your employees/testers have health insurance, in which case getting bloodwork done before and after would be a negligible expense (less than $100 per tester) and would add a lot of validity to your product testing. Were I in your shoes, it would be a total "no-brainer" to get as much medical data as possible around my testers to present in support of my claims about the products safety and efficacy.

Is there any reason this does not seem to have been done? Is it just because you haven't had time yet?
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Actually, Azaloth, the professional testing group for The ONE had FULL bloods, liver, nanograms, etc. done. What you have heard/seen so far is the affiliated AN testers' experiences.


Azaloth said:
...2. I see in your write-up that apparently the entire PCT stack can be purchased over-the-counter? Is this really the case, given how potent the compound seems to be? Are you confident that no SERM or prescription drug will be required to properly restore the body's natural hormonal function post-cycle?...
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This is a question for Dirk. But many of the PCTs used by testers only included Drive, IGF-2, an antioxidant, and other basics.


OzzY SluGGa said:
Are they Pro hormones? I have been trying to research all this the last 2 days and just get more confused. Especially since It's all abbreviations, wich is frustrating if you dont know the full word!
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Both M-Drol and P-Plex are Designer Steroids (DS): M-Drol is a clone of SuperDrol; and P-Plex is a clone of PheraPlex.

Bear in mind that just because something got in for someone else does NOT mean that it should have been allowed through, or that it will get in for you.


OzzY SluGGa said:
And I cant help but notice the AN reps use terms like "relatively safe" or "you should be ok" etc, if you know what I mean. Doesnt exactly fill a man with confidence.
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Let me put it this way: If you have never used anything hormonal before and purchase a product and then start using it with no idea of what you're really doing (which MANY people do), or having researched and planned your cycle, then it would NOT be safe. However, if you have never used anything hormonal before, but research anything you are interested in thoroughly and make yourself aware of everything, and cover ALL your bases on AND off cycle to make sure that you are as safe as possible, and then purchase a product and use it, then you SHOULD be relatively safe in using it (the term relatively because you never know how you will react to something that you've never used before, etc.).


OzzY SluGGa said:
No one has outlined in black and white EXACTLY what you must take and do after you do your "the one" cycle. Its mentioned here an there but nothing comprehensive in plain english. And I have to agree with the guy that asks why such a large, reputable company didnt have extensive bloodwork before, during and after...
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If you read post #3 it actually DOES say:

POST CYCLE: TIPS TO MAXIMIZE RECOVERY & MAINTAIN GAINS

6-BROMODIONE, 50 mg/day:
Dosing - You would need to ask Dirk re how to go about spreading out dosing and timing

BIO-MEND™ :
Dose - 2 caps once daily with fluid

COMPLETE-BALANCE™ :
Dose - 2 caps once daily with fluid

OMEGA-ESSENTIALS™ :
Dose - 2 caps once daily with fluid

DRIVE™ *:
Gym (i.e. Resistance Training) Days
Dose 1 - 60-80 min pre-gym
Dose 2 - 6-8 hours pre or post-Dose 1 (depending on when you train)
Non-Gym Days
Dose 1 - first thing in the morning
Dose 2 - 6-8 hours post-Dose 1

IGF-2® *:
Dose 1 - first thing in the morning
Dose 2 - last thing at night

*Dosages are dependent upon bodyweight (there is a chart on the label).

AND, as mentioned to you before, if you were to consider using The ONE, Applied Nutriceuticals (AN) would make sure that ALL of your questions were answered, and a cycle and Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) were outlined to you in DETAIL, specific for YOU.
 
Thank you Guejsn, for addressing our questions.

It was not clear that the intensive bloodwork, lipids panels, etc were done as part of the testing process. If I were you guys I'd have put that in big bold writing in the write-up as many of your existing customers are, like me, not regular users of hormonal products and would likely have many concerns about safety, PCT, testing that's been done, etc.

Since you say those tests were conducted, is there any information from them you can share to give us a more scientific understanding of any side effects?

Again, I'm a huge fan and generous customer of AN, so I mention these things with the intention of (a) gaining a better understanding myself of this new supplement, (b) clarifying questions that I and others have had about the safety of the product and PCT protocol, and (c) helping you guys to market the product better to a significant portion of your customer base.

I think I speak for a lot of folks in my camp (no hormonal supps used to date) when I say that the dream-come-true thing for us to see would be solid results of a clinical trial or at least a scientifically sound controlled study in which the supplement was shown to be safe and effective (including in a follow-up examination at least several months after initial use). I realize that's asking for a lot, particularly the clinical trial bit, but I am confident any investment you guys make towards proving that the product is safe will deliver good ROI for you.
 
Guejsn said:
This is a question for Dirk. But many of the PCTs used by testers only included Drive, IGF-2, an antioxidant, and other basics.
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Thats all I used, I felt no SERM was necessary. Every person is different though so its hard to say. Really there is no guaranteed one size fits all recommendation for PCT for any product, particularly because people may use different dosing schemes or run more than a full bottle worth. Run The One as directed and the PCT as outlined should work well.


Guejsn said:
Let me put it this way: If you have never used anything hormonal before and purchase a product and then start using it with no idea of what you're really doing (which MANY people do), or having researched and planned your cycle, then it would NOT be safe. However, if you have never used anything hormonal before, but research anything you are interested in thoroughly and make yourself aware of everything, and cover ALL your bases on AND off cycle to make sure that you are as safe as possible, and then purchase a product and use it, then you SHOULD be relatively safe in using it (the term relatively because you never know how you will react to something that you've never used before, etc.).
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Quite true, keep in mind that whenever you touch hormonal systems there are chances of issues, and you just need to be prepared to deal with the common ones. Heck prescription pharmaceuticals with millions spent on testing and fda approvals still have odd side effects in some % of the users. The One is the best i've seen available in hormonal products on a benefits:sides ratio though :)
 
Please forgive my ignorance...

I've read every post in this thread (assuming I didn't miss a page), and I have a quick question: is this a PH or DS, as in does it have to metabolize into something to be active, or is it a steroid and active on its own? I keep seeing mention of DHT, which is probably what is confusing me.

Thanks.
 
ShakesAllDay said:
Please forgive my ignorance...

I've read every post in this thread (assuming I didn't miss a page), and I have a quick question: is this a PH or DS, as in does it have to metabolize into something to be active, or is it a steroid and active on its own? I keep seeing mention of DHT, which is probably what is confusing me.

Thanks.
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Its being called a pro hormone by everyone involved, but my classification of it, the way Ive always understood the differences, Im calling it a designer steroid. Everything Ive ever read states that a pro hormone has to utilize something in the body to convert it into the steroid, where The One has no need to convert as its a designer steroid.

But I remember reading a post in one of the 3 threads where it was explained that the classifications and differences are debatable, so this is just my interpretation. I think AN would like for it to be referred to as a PH, probably for marketing purposes. That will make it more easily related to by the general public, because the term "designer steroid" sounds a lot more harsh to the average supp shopper.

Not that Im trying to speak for AN.
 
That's why I'm confused. The wording/explanation is somewhat contradictory in my mind. So, it doesn't convert to DHT, rather it is an analog to DHT? I know how exogenous DHT effects my body, and I'm trying to compare that to this compound, but it doesn't seem applicable i

methyl-1-test compared to 1-test
DHT+3-hydroxyimine compared to DHT

Maybe we could start referring to it as a DS, if that's what it actually is. The PH term really throws me off.

edit: btw, I'm not just stirring the pot. I've taken MMv2, which supposedly converts to DHT, and I very much enjoyed my time on it. So, I'm just trying to make comparisons, if/where they exist.
 
rms80 said:
about 500 kcals above maintenance was the max for any fat loss- anything above, body fat levels stayed unchanged- I think the highest someone went was 1000 kcals above maintenance per day
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thanks for the response! Will be interesting to see what this does at maintenance or 250 cals above
 
Azaloth said:
Thank you Guejsn, for addressing our questions.

It was not clear that the intensive bloodwork, lipids panels, etc were done as part of the testing process. If I were you guys I'd have put that in big bold writing in the write-up as many of your existing customers are, like me, not regular users of hormonal products and would likely have many concerns about safety, PCT, testing that's been done, etc.

Since you say those tests were conducted, is there any information from them you can share to give us a more scientific understanding of any side effects?

Again, I'm a huge fan and generous customer of AN, so I mention these things with the intention of (a) gaining a better understanding myself of this new supplement, (b) clarifying questions that I and others have had about the safety of the product and PCT protocol, and (c) helping you guys to market the product better to a significant portion of your customer base.

I think I speak for a lot of folks in my camp (no hormonal supps used to date) when I say that the dream-come-true thing for us to see would be solid results of a clinical trial or at least a scientifically sound controlled study in which the supplement was shown to be safe and effective (including in a follow-up examination at least several months after initial use). I realize that's asking for a lot, particularly the clinical trial bit, but I am confident any investment you guys make towards proving that the product is safe will deliver good ROI for you.
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As Tanya mentioned in an earlier post, once we have ALL (we are still waiting on two testers who started later to finish) the testing data and results, then they shall be available.



ShakesAllDay said:
Please forgive my ignorance...

I've read every post in this thread (assuming I didn't miss a page), and I have a quick question: is this a PH or DS, as in does it have to metabolize into something to be active, or is it a steroid and active on its own? I keep seeing mention of DHT, which is probably what is confusing me.

Thanks.
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The ONE is a PH. It is an analog/derivative of DHT.
 
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