Injectable L Carnitine, 150mg testosterone and cutting.......?

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I would not take the berberine/cinn with the l-carn. You can take them with your largest meals of course for better glucose management/insulin sensitivity but if anything they will reduce the insulin response to the carbs peri-workout. You want the insulin spike and most GDA's do NOT increase insulin release and work via other mechanisms. For instance glut-4 increase is NOT going to help you get carnitine into the cell. GDA's and insulin all end up lowering BG but not in the same fashion/method.

Try not to worry too much about the carbs/slin with carn. It was used for a LONG LONG time before DBT even wrote the article about l-carn and slin. It will work just fine with your pre/intra carbs.
Thank you!

Why people assume that things that clear or prevent rises in blood glucose must act through the same mechanisms as insulin is beyond me.

Berberine prevents absorption of some starches. It has a ton of health benefits, but it does not raise insulin levels or shuttle glucose to muscles.

@Smont insulin does this, and your pancreas releases it totally sufficiently in response to carbohydrate & whey ingestion to shuttle L-Carnitine to the muscles.

Used 2ccs of the Shredder a day and felt great! Can’t imagine how awesome super shredder must be!
Super shredder arriving today for me; planning on giving it a test drive with tomorrow morning’s back & biceps!

I need to read a little more on AMP before I run the Stampede
 
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I’ve been using L-Carnitine at 200mg daily for about a month now, per Alex Kikel’s ebook. Absolutely sold on it as a PED. A month ago I was a couple weeks post meet & very rested/deloaded. Hit the Legpress with 9 plates for 12 reps; stopped because I was reaching failure working through pump and lactic acid. Last night I took 9 plates for a drive again and did 17 reps, racked it for 18 seconds, and did 5 more. There wasn’t the usual sensation of lactic burn; I was able to push right up to shaking muscular failure no issue.

Similar or lower androgen levels, haven’t been training the legpress or any heavy leg work while I rehab my back, & down about 10lbs bodyweight. L-Carnitine is the variable.





Some guidelines from the ebook:

-Subq on off-days, IM preWO or cardio.

-200mg eod forever over blasting a few months.

-If using for fatloss, you may want your daily 200mg before fasted cardio for the enhanced beta oxidation and the rest as a bolus preWO for the performance increases/ability to do more work (plus more fat oxidation obviously).

-Whenever you can, dose the IM shots with carbs present in your system for better loading beyond the acute effects.

-You don’t need to load. It will build up over time same as Creatine will.

-If using slin, a single iu (1 IU) is totally sufficient (I DO NOT USE THIS AND AM EXPERIENCING GREAT RESULTS).

-Just 100mg per day is plenty to achieve increased AR receptor binding affinity & lowered constant, regarding improved effects from your gear. 200/day is plenty to realize the general benefits over time. Dosage needs are not really influenced size or gender.

-Using daily for very long periods is more ideal than blasting only a few months. It’s a background 10-20% improvement type of drug.

-Exceeding 1G daily is diminishing returns for fat loss and tolerability generally for most athletes.




I can’t take any credit remotely for the above and I encourage you to drop $20 if you want to read Kikel’s radically more in depth explanation for his methods & what he knows/can extrapolate from studies and anecdote. It was pretty dense for me despite not being a long read. This is a “my bro told me, so let me tell you” best effort paraphrase for anyone wanting a quick and dirty that has zero chance of reading into it.
 
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I’ve been using L-Carnitine at 200mg daily for about a month now, per Alex Kikel’s ebook. Absolutely sold on it as a PED. A month ago I was a couple weeks post meet & very rested/deloaded. Hit the Legpress with 9 plates for 12 reps; stopped because I was reaching failure working through pump and lactic acid. Last night I took 9 plates for a drive again and did 17 reps, racked it for 18 seconds, and did 5 more. There wasn’t the usual sensation of lactic burn; I was able to push right up to shaking muscular failure no issue.

Similar or lower androgen levels, haven’t been training the legpress or any heavy leg work while I rehab my back, & down about 10lbs bodyweight. L-Carnitine is the variable.





Some guidelines from the ebook:

-Subq on off-days, IM preWO or cardio.

-200mg eod forever over blasting a few months.

-If using for fatloss, you may want your daily 200mg before fasted cardio for the enhanced beta oxidation and the rest as a bolus preWO for the performance increases/ability to do more work (plus more fat oxidation obviously).

-Whenever you can, dose the IM shots with carbs present in your system for better loading beyond the acute effects.

-You don’t need to load. It will build up over time same as Creatine will.

-If using slin, a single iu (1 IU) is totally sufficient (I DO NOT USE THIS AND AM EXPERIENCING GREAT RESULTS).

-Just 100mg per day is plenty to achieve increased AR receptor binding affinity & lowered constant, regarding improved effects from your gear. 200/day is plenty to realize the general benefits over time. Dosage needs are not really influenced size or gender.

-Using daily for very long periods is more ideal than blasting only a few months. It’s a background 10-20% improvement type of drug.

-Exceeding 1G daily is diminishing returns for fat loss and tolerability generally for most athletes.




I can’t take any credit remotely for the above and I encourage you to drop $20 if you want to read Kikel’s radically more in depth explanation for his methods & what he knows/can extrapolate from studies and anecdote. It was pretty dense for me despite not being a long read. This is a “my bro told me, so let me tell you” best effort paraphrase for anyone wanting a quick and dirty that has zero chance of reading into it.
From all the ppl I have been speaking with, they say a gram is where max benifits started over 2 gm is more good territory of diminishing returns. Either way I'm going to experiment with doses of 300 possibly up to 1200 and make my own assessment on what's what. If 300 brings me benifits and I find 1000 isint much better I would be super happy because 300mg would get me 40 days per bottle or 200 would give me 60. I'm hopping your or he is right on 200 being plenty. But I'm definitely going to explore all dosing ranges.
 
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@Hyde and anyone else that's used this.

Do you notice better pumps, 3 days in a row I've gotten a rediculous pump, it very well could be the extra carbs I'm taking pre workout but it's a significant difference. I don't even care if it's placebo il take it lol
 
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Wanted to share and see what you guys think
 
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I've seen that, a lot of what he says falls more in line of what ppl were telling me
@Hyde...he opened my eyes to the whole loading phase protocol. Just maybe it isnt necessary.
 
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I've actually been fishing through all his q and a videos. I think he provides a lot of good information, at the same time he definitely seems like one of those people who set in his own ways A little too much but overall I'm liking his content.
 
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I've actually been fishing through all his q and a videos. I think he provides a lot of good information, at the same time he definitely seems like one of those people who set in his own ways A little too much but overall I'm liking his content.
You talking about Chase??

He gave me other spots to pin...plus got me on that 30 gauge slin...that is a cheat code. Lol
 
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You talking about Chase??

He gave me other spots to pin...plus got me on that 30 gauge slin...that is a cheat code. Lol
Yes that guy, I had already been using 29g slinpins or 25g 1in for most injection, been doing daily pins and trying not to go over .5ml per site and stuff like that before I had heard of him, so when I came across him and heard those are all things he practices it cought my interest to see what else he recommended. I'm probably in agreement with 75% of the stuff he says
 
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Yes that guy, I had already been using 29g slinpins or 25g 1in for most injection, been doing daily pins and trying not to go over .5ml per site and stuff like that before I had heard of him, so when I came across him and heard those are all things he practices it cought my interest to see what else he recommended. I'm probably in agreement with 75% of the stuff he says
I am not saying he is the messiah...just made life easier for me trying to finish this cycle.
 
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From all the ppl I have been speaking with, they say a gram is where max benifits started over 2 gm is more good territory of diminishing returns. Either way I'm going to experiment with doses of 300 possibly up to 1200 and make my own assessment on what's what. If 300 brings me benifits and I find 1000 isint much better I would be super happy because 300mg would get me 40 days per bottle or 200 would give me 60. I'm hopping your or he is right on 200 being plenty. But I'm definitely going to explore all dosing ranges.
You need to understand many of the benefits are subtle and take some time to realize. It’s not like AAS. Things like enhanced nutrient storage/increasing recovery that allow better training over time, better fuel transfer and fat liberation when you are burning cals, a leaner more muscular physique at a given AAS dosage.

If you are just doing it for a few months, you will definitely want to blast it.

You will be “safe” going over 1g; it’s not dangerous just becomes more wasteful and more sides. I sweat like a hooker in church now on 200mg.

@Hyde and anyone else that's used this.

Do you notice better pumps, 3 days in a row I've gotten a rediculous pump, it very well could be the extra carbs I'm taking pre workout but it's a significant difference. I don't even care if it's placebo il take it lol
Of course! Radically so. My pump on L-Carnitine is better now with no preWO than with 6g citrulline before. It’s transporting more fuel to the mitochondrial fire; lactic acid is also reduced so you can tolerate more overall volume with shorter rest periods. You literally perceive and realize greater time to exhaustion.

My training is not high volume, but my pump is!

@Hyde...he opened my eyes to the whole loading phase protocol. Just maybe it isnt necessary.
If you are only going to run it for a few months, you need to load because you are trying to get longterm results in a ridiculously small window. It’s like HGH, not AAS, in that regard. You get the most benefit from staying on a small dose longterm and occasionally pushing it up vs having to just blast it for short periods.

If you just have some foresight and just stay on it you will already be loaded when you want to push levels high occasionally.

If you take 5g creatine mono per day you never need to load. If you haven’t been using it and want to reach saturation suddenly ASAP, yeah you have to load. And if you take breaks, you will lose the stores you have built up after a while.
 
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You need to understand many of the benefits are subtle and take some time to realize. It’s not like AAS. Things like enhanced nutrient storage/increasing recovery that allow better training over time, better fuel transfer and fat liberation when you are burning cals, a leaner more muscular physique at a given AAS dosage.

If you are just doing it for a few months, you will definitely want to blast it.

You will be “safe” going over 1g; it’s not dangerous just becomes more wasteful and more sides. I sweat like a hooker in church now on 200mg.



Of course! Radically so. My pump on L-Carnitine is better now with no preWO than with 6g citrulline before. It’s transporting more fuel to the mitochondrial fire; lactic acid is also reduced so you can tolerate more overall volume with shorter rest periods. You literally perceive and realize greater time to exhaustion.

My training is not high volume, but my pump is!



If you are only going to run it for a few months, you need to load because you are trying to get longterm results in a ridiculously small window. It’s like HGH, not AAS, in that regard. You get the most benefit from staying on a small dose longterm and occasionally pushing it up vs having to just blast it for short periods.

If you just have some foresight and just stay on it you will already be loaded when you want to push levels high occasionally.

If you take 5g creatine mono per day you never need to load. If you haven’t been using it and want to reach saturation suddenly ASAP, yeah you have to load. And if you take breaks, you will lose the stores you have built up after a while.
My training is definitely more intensity then volume, in only 2-3 days I'm finding myself getting the pump fairly quickly and easily, it seems to get better and I can keep going to where normally once I get a good pump it's hard to execute reps. I'm also finding myself feeling like I'm not finished at the end of my workout. I beat every working set on every exercise today and then ended up doing 10x10 with 10sec rest on side laterals and 5x10 with 10sec rest on tricep pressdown and then grabbed a pair of 50lb dumbbells and just kept going on incline db presses till I literally couldn't move. A ton of extra work today and I had to make myself leave the gym. Im gonna try to not do that too often tho lol. But I liked it. If this is the benifits from just 3 days on 300 I may stick with that dose for the majority and the last 7 days maybe jack it up to see what the difference is. But I can see myself doing something like 300 indefinitely it this is how it goes lol
 
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My training is definitely more intensity then volume, in only 2-3 days I'm finding myself getting the pump fairly quickly and easily, it seems to get better and I can keep going to where normally once I get a good pump it's hard to execute reps. I'm also finding myself feeling like I'm not finished at the end of my workout. I beat every working set on every exercise today and then ended up doing 10x10 with 10sec rest on side laterals and 5x10 with 10sec rest on tricep pressdown and then grabbed a pair of 50lb dumbbells and just kept going on incline db presses till I literally couldn't move. A ton of extra work today and I had to make myself leave the gym. Im gonna try to not do that too often tho lol. But I liked it. If this is the benifits from just 3 days on 300 I may stick with that dose for the majority and the last 7 days maybe jack it up to see what the difference is. But I can see myself doing something like 300 indefinitely it this is how it goes lol
I can relate completely brother! It’s very cool stuff.

I did pin 500mg the first few days until I got through the ebook and realized I was using more than necessary (since prep/maximal fat loss wasn’t the primary objective vs general improvement over say 6 months). Zero issues or sides with those shots besides some initial pip.

I am just getting similar gym performance increases with the low dose and that will make my 100ml jug (500mg/ml) last 6 months+.
 
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So I just found out fight night has been postponed. This is actually a good thing as I can pretty much do what I want now. Still going to be doing some boxing stuff every week to stay on top of it just in case anything changes again. But I can have a little more freedom with my food, just not sure which direction I should go 🤔🤔🤔
 
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So in 5 days or so I have noticed better workouts, better pumps, better endurance. Food and water have been consistent and my scale weight is going down 0.2lbs per day consistently. Weighing in Fasted, first thing in the morning, same time every day. Could be increased metabolism or it could be me burning slightly more calories and sweating more during the workouts.
 
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So in 5 days or so I have noticed better workouts, better pumps, better endurance. Food and water have been consistent and my scale weight is going down 0.2lbs per day consistently. Weighing in Fasted, first thing in the morning, same time every day. Could be increased metabolism or it could be me burning slightly more calories and sweating more during the workouts.
How much are you taking daily?
 
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Random question...since you pin daily and on trt do you backload your slin pins or draw/pin from the same needle??

I backloaded multiple pins to use multiple days my last cycle and wanted to know your protocol...thanks
 
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Random question...since you pin daily and on trt do you backload your slin pins or draw/pin from the same needle??

I backloaded multiple pins to use multiple days my last cycle and wanted to know your protocol...thanks
No I don't backload, the reason is most of the gear I get is made in mct oil and if you leave that in a syringe for too long it can dissolve the rubber inside the barrel. Every once in a blue moon I will pre load them the night before but typically I just heat up my gear in hot water and draw and inject with a slin pin. Everyone thinks it takes like a hour to draw oil in a slin pin and even tho it seems to take forever, it's only about 15-20 seconds.

I may start backloading the l carn tho to save a little more time because I pin my trt in the morning and carn pre workout in the afternoon.
 
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I've also been contemplating drawing my test and carn into a regular syringe and injecting everything in 1 shot pre workout. I know it's ok to combine oil and water for a pin but something about it sketches me out
 
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No I don't backload, the reason is most of the gear I get is made in mct oil and if you leave that in a syringe for too long it can dissolve the rubber inside the barrel. Every once in a blue moon I will pre load them the night before but typically I just heat up my gear in hot water and draw and inject with a slin pin. Everyone thinks it takes like a hour to draw oil in a slin pin and even tho it seems to take forever, it's only about 15-20 seconds.

I may start backloading the l carn tho to save a little more time because I pin my trt in the morning and carn pre workout in the afternoon.
Does the slin pin get dull when drawing and pinning?
 
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Does the slin pin get dull when drawing and pinning?
I probably drawn and injected with a slin pin close to 500 times and never had a problem, feels exactly the same as when I've backloaded in the past. When I'm using a 25g I also draw and inject with the same pin.

If I'm drawing from multiple bottles I change the pin before injecting
 
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I'm not saying my way is correct, it's just how I do it and never had a issue
 
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I probably drawn and injected with a slin pin close to 500 times and never had a problem, feels exactly the same as when I've backloaded in the past. When I'm using a 25g I also draw and inject with the same pin.

If I'm drawing from multiple bottles I change the pin before injecting
I hear you and just looking to speed up the process in the morning. Thanks
 
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I hear you and just looking to speed up the process in the morning. Thanks
I believe the main factor for consideration is keeping your pin use to ONE draw from the vial before injecting. Slinpins are designed for this for insulin administration. But if you are going to be stabbing more than twice (one vial, one shot) it’s in your interest to backload or use a barrel with a swappable needle.

I mean just as ideal best practices.

The other night I drew my BPC and put some in my elbow and also in my knee, as an example. Went in fine on the second injection. But if I am pinning my test and carnitine preWO I use two different slinpins generally.

@Smont No idea if this would be true, but I wonder if mixing your oil and water for your preWO IM shot specifically would not be ideal for getting the carnitine into the bloodstream as quickly. Could having oil around the water could slow absorption and alter the pharmacokinetics possibly? I don’t know.
 
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I believe the main factor for consideration is keeping your pin use to ONE draw from the vial before injecting. Slinpins are designed for this for insulin administration. But if you are going to be stabbing more than twice (one vial, one shot) it’s in your interest to backload or use a barrel with a swappable needle.

I mean just as ideal best practices.

The other night I drew my BPC and put some in my elbow and also in my knee, as an example. Went in fine on the second injection. But if I am pinning my test and carnitine preWO I use two different slinpins generally.

@Smont No idea if this would be true, but I wonder if mixing your oil and water for your preWO IM shot specifically would not be ideal for getting the carnitine into the bloodstream as quickly. Could having oil around the water could slow absorption and alter the pharmacokinetics possibly? I don’t know.
Good info and you have helped me make my decision
 
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I believe the main factor for consideration is keeping your pin use to ONE draw from the vial before injecting. Slinpins are designed for this for insulin administration. But if you are going to be stabbing more than twice (one vial, one shot) it’s in your interest to backload or use a barrel with a swappable needle.

I mean just as ideal best practices.

The other night I drew my BPC and put some in my elbow and also in my knee, as an example. Went in fine on the second injection. But if I am pinning my test and carnitine preWO I use two different slinpins generally.

@Smont No idea if this would be true, but I wonder if mixing your oil and water for your preWO IM shot specifically would not be ideal for getting the carnitine into the bloodstream as quickly. Could having oil around the water could slow absorption and alter the pharmacokinetics possibly? I don’t know.
I can see where your going with that, that's a possibility and honestly I have no clue, the l-carn from AA is already kinda thick and oil like, if that went into solution with the mct oil in my gear it definitely would slow the process down as I think mct takes like 5-6 hours to be absorbed
 
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Also, for anyone interested, I found that medically AMP has been used at 25mg intramuscularly several times a week without issue. And if you Google AMP IM first thing you will see is a horror story about a kid in India who got sick and depressed from pinning 4ml daily of a commonly used veterinary race horse product that’s 200mg/ml…so he was using 800mg preWO 🤣🤣🤣

So the 5mg in Stampede per cc is definitely safe, and I felt I got something out of it, but I would say it’s pretty overpriced as opposed to buying AMP separately. I think Stampede should be cheaper, or the AMP content doubled, personally. It does draw/pin smoothly.
 
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Also, for anyone interested, I found that medically AMP has been used at 25mg intramuscularly several times a week without issue. And if you Google AMP IM first thing you will see is a horror story about a kid in India who got sick and depressed from pinning 4ml daily of a commonly used veterinary race horse product that’s 200mg/ml…so he was using 800mg preWO 🤣🤣🤣

So the 5mg in Stampede per cc is definitely safe, and I felt I got something out of it, but I would say it’s pretty overpriced as opposed to buying AMP separately. I think Stampede should be cheaper, or the AMP content doubled, personally. It does draw/pin smoothly.
 
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I hear you and just looking to speed up the process in the morning. Thanks
If you don't want to draw and inject with a slin pin but you still want a similar size pin you can get 27g 1/2 or 1in lure lock interchangeable pins. The 27 1/2 is very similar to a 29 slin pin
 
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If you don't want to draw and inject with a slin pin but you still want a similar size pin you can get 27g 1/2 or 1in lure lock interchangeable pins
This is what I do my IM shots with, 27 1/2”.
 
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I have to use 1 inch on my fat a**...even at 16% I carry my fat in my butt. Lol
 
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I have to use 1 inch on my fat a**...even at 16% I carry my fat in my butt. Lol
I don't think anybody is really getting an intramuscular shot in the glute with a half inch unless they're shredded, I use the half inch in my delts and my upper outer quads. I've tried a half inch in the glue and buried it as hard as I could and I still am not positive it reaches the muscle so I usually use a 1in for glutes unless I don't care if it goes sub q. For daily injections on trt I could care less if it's sub q or not
 
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I don't think anybody is really getting an intramuscular shot in the glute with a half inch unless they're shredded, I use the half inch in my delts and my upper outer quads. I've tried a half inch in the glue and buried it as hard as I could and I still am not positive it reaches the muscle so I usually use a 1in for glutes unless I don't care if it goes sub q. For daily injections on trt I could care less if it's sub q or not
Was gonna try VG and really push that sucker in but didn't want to risk sub q primo. That was a 2nd to dhb in regards to pip for me. Thought it was maybe the carrier but I separated the test e and zero issues...both made by same company. After every shot I would get chills and night sweats...was a look good but didn't feel good cycle.
 
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Was gonna try VG and really push that sucker in but didn't want to risk sub q primo. That was a 2nd to dhb in regards to pip for me. Thought it was maybe the carrier but I separated the test e and zero issues...both made by same company. After every shot I would get chills and night sweats...was a look good but didn't feel good cycle.
I guess I'm lucky, I hear lots of horrible stories but I don't seem to get pip from anything, nothing oral or injectable makes me feel sick or loose my appetite. I have anxiety and moderately high BP as of normal, but gear does not seem to make either of them worse. Prolactin gyno and acne are my only enemies with gear so far
 
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I have to use 1 inch on my fat a**...even at 16% I carry my fat in my butt. Lol
Yeah let me be clear, 1/2” is for Delts quads and VG (pushed hard) for me. My fat ass is rolling with 1.5” for butt cheeks. Although if I pin 1/2” at the very top of my glutes I have hit muscle trying to lazily subq a small shot of carnitine. Gotta hit it from a 45* angle properly and no issue then.
 
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So I attempted a lat injection for the first time, I barely broke the skin and it felt weird so I pulled it out and some blood came out, just a dab. But it weirded me out so I stuck it in my delt. Il try again when my courage is back lol.

Im taking tomorrow off and the gym was crowded so today I just did a bunch of random supersets.

Chins/smith machine shoulder press
Behind the back upright row/side laterals
Hammer curl/db skull krushers
Machine preacher curl/ez overhead ext
Then a circuit of chins/side laterals/incline db curl/db krushers.

I blew up like a veiny balloon lol. If I could walk around every day looking like I did after that workout I would be completely satisfied with myself lol. Looking much bigger at 190lbs then I was last year at 210lbs.

I'm completely ok with sticking with 300mg of carn. If anyone has ever followed any of my logs where I'm experimenting with something new, my response is usually blah, it's ok but nothing special.

This however has the makings of a game changer for me. I'm going to double my testosterone dose starting some time next week and add a small surplus of calories, After I finish the first bottle of carn I'm really thinking about increasing my calories some more and adding igf-lr3 pre workout with my Carnitine dose and building up on my cycle from there. I've got 1 vial of desoxy t left over, 30 abombs and 45 superdrol that I may throw in the mix as well. But at the same time I think I should see how far I can go without the orals and then throw them in when I hit a road block. I'm very pleased with just about everything since I added the carn 7 days ago
 
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Ooo, I completely forgot, I have 2 bttls of apex stanogen and 1 AA injectable lgd as well. I will probably skip the orals and see what kind of little 8 week stack I can come up with using all the mild stuff
 
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Are you going to up the dose or try the loading phase??
 
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Are you going to up the dose or try the loading phase??
I don't see any point in loading cus I e already been on it for a week. But at some point I will up the dose to 600 then 900 just so I can see the difference. But I have a strong feeling I will probably end up just using 300 year round. In all reality I'm getting ahead of myself, I just gotta let everything run it's course.

But yes, in another week or 2 I will go to 600 and see what changes
 
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Ffs @Smont , I was hoping the l Carn thing wouldn’t stack up but now you got me thinking I might have to jump on that train…..😂
 
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Ffs @Smont , I was hoping the l Carn thing wouldn’t stack up but now you got me thinking I might have to jump on that train…..😂
It's the first thing I have tried in a while that immediately made a difference, now given the difference is only intra workout so far, I still need to spend a month or 2 using it to see what these better workouts equate to.

A few things that are very noticeable are....
Increased endurance in the gym for lifting, not so much for actually increasing my endurance tho. Boxing workouts are the same. So it's muscular endurance

Better pumps, sweat a little more and I almost feel like it leaves a shiny slick on my skin post workout. So that combined with a great pump just kinda makes you look awesome lol

Nothing negative although the first 5 shots no pip. Shot 6 left me a little sore yesterday but it's going away. All around good experience in week 1.

Now let's see what happens in a month.
 

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I'm getting anxious so there's a strong possibility I'm going to start the Carnitine tomorrow. I also picked up some raloxefine from the same source ( theses are both from a certain asylum ) as I have a little preexisting gyno that I thought I'd try to knock out. It's not visible but I can feel it and I know it's in there lol. If anyone is interested in that I can update as well. This won't be a log but I will chime in every few days or any time I think I noticed something is working
Using ralox now from same source and it knocked it out quick. Trest from the same source gave it to me so it’s also legit. Lol
 
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Do you think there are any peptides to combine with the l carn?
 
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It's the first thing I have tried in a while that immediately made a difference, now given the difference is only intra workout so far, I still need to spend a month or 2 using it to see what these better workouts equate to.

A few things that are very noticeable are....
Increased endurance in the gym for lifting, not so much for actually increasing my endurance tho. Boxing workouts are the same. So it's muscular endurance

Better pumps, sweat a little more and I almost feel like it leaves a shiny slick on my skin post workout. So that combined with a great pump just kinda makes you look awesome lol

Nothing negative although the first 5 shots no pip. Shot 6 left me a little sore yesterday but it's going away. All around good experience in week 1.

Now let's see what happens in a month.
Well if you are like me in a month you will be setting lifetime PRs on all kinds of random things while leaning out on just 120mg each of test & eq
 
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Do you think there are any peptides to combine with the l carn?
I'm sure you can combine anything with it, it's just a amino acid, synergistically I would assume igf Des or lr3 would be best because that act similar to insulin and would help the process. Thats going to be my next move in 3-4 weeks
 
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Using ralox now from same source and it knocked it out quick. Trest from the same source gave it to me so it’s also legit. Lol
For me I believe it started with trest and then dienolone sent it into overdrive. This will be the 3rd time in about a year and a half that Im throwing ralox at it. It knocks it back to where you can't notice or even feel it, but it seems like over the course of about 6 months it's starts coming back and I gotta repeat the process.

Manageable for sure but if I ever got the extra money I'd get the surgery and have the gland removed. That's the only way to fix it for good
 
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Looks like jonn Meadows died today. Assuming it's got something to do with that medical condition he has with the clotting or whatever. That's a big bummer, I really liked watching his stuff
 

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