lol....will do boss.Try 9 plus months then report back bud
I'm about to get back on it.
lol....will do boss.Try 9 plus months then report back bud
Let us know. A few people have reported dropping water weight and increased urination after cessation. I didn't really notice either of those right off the bat, but after being off a while I did notice a drop in muscle fullness and endurance.Taking a break from SL after ~10? months on @ 5 tbsp. Curious if I drop some water
I've been curious about these as well. Bob's Red Mill usually has very high quality products. Looking forward to what you find out.Has anyone tried Bob's Red Mill lecithin granules? Fearn is $8.00/lb, but if you order 25lbs for $119.40, Bob's is $4.78/lb. According to the label, it has about the same amount of choline (468mg) per 15g as Fearn (450mg). I haven't seen any mention of phosphatide % or de-oiled, but I'll email them and see what I can find out (COA, etc).
$119.40 will last you a year plus a few days, or $0.32 per day, at 4tbsp. At 3tbsp, it's only $0.24 a day, and will last you about 500 days. At 5tbsp, it'll last you just over 300 days at $0.40 a day.
I'll see what I can find out, but for those of us who consider the granules to be a long-term staple supplement, it may be a great way to save some money.
This.I've been curious about these as well. Bob's Red Mill usually has very high quality products. Looking forward to what you find out.
I went from 207 to 203 after peeing a lot....your results may vary.Taking a break from SL after ~10? months on @ 5 tbsp. Curious if I drop some water
Mine certainly has.I dropped SL last week after using 2-4 TBS/day over the last 10 months or so...not sure about the peeing thing, but vascularity seems to be increasing...
3 tbsp is plenty but some are going up to 5 tbsp.Just took my first 3 tablespoons of Fearn before I go and workout in an hour. Should I be taking any more later in the day? And approximately how many days before I start noticing the PA's effects?
I just got an email back from them saying that their granules are de-oiled, and that they will get back to me about what, if any, standardization they have, and that they don't give out COAs.I've been curious about these as well. Bob's Red Mill usually has very high quality products. Looking forward to what you find out.
Interesting. I'll prob stick with Fearn myself, but definitely appreciate the legwork getting this sorted out for others.I just got an email back from them saying that their granules are de-oiled, and that they will get back to me about what, if any, standardization they have, and that they don't give out COAs.
Being that the choline content listed on the label is about the same as Fearn, I assume that the PC will also be about the same, and since they're still de-oiled lecithin granules, the PA should also be in the same range (4-7%). I'm curious to see what their response is though.
I dropped SL last week after using 2-4 TBS/day over the last 10 months or so...not sure about the peeing thing, but vascularity seems to be increasing...
How's that guys, isnt supposed to be the opposite? I am confusedMine certainly has.
Well, PA has not been touted as improving vascularity per se.How's that guys, isnt supposed to be the opposite? I am confused
Thanks for explaining. I have some cans coming from the US so I can test it myself after summer is over. If I recall PA levels peak 3hours after ingestion and stay peaked for 4hours?Well, PA has not been touted as improving vascularity per se.
Rather it is beneficial for increasing mTOR, endurance, muscle fullness (nitrogen retention...and likely some water weight with that), and at high doses I would argue some fat loss over time due to high choline (I have a study laying around here somewhere).
For me, I didn't notice a decrease in vascularity while on, but after being off of it a couple weeks I did notice I was more vascular than when I first started.
However, I'm not too inclined to think cause + effect because my training over that time period likely led to increased vascularity on its own, which became more noticeable once I dropped some water weight.
Great info, thanks! SL absorption and thus peaking PA levels must be definitely lower, at least based on reasonRise then plateau between 1-3 hours, peak at 3rd hour, "remains elevated above baseline" for 4(or was it 7) hours after that
But that study was done with an isolated PA source. None have been done using SL as the source which may have different digestion and absorption kinetics.
Yeah no one knows for sure what that looks like, but logic would dictate that slower digestion and thus delayed peak blood plasma concentrations of PA would come into play.Great info, thanks! SL absorption and thus peaking PA levels must be definitely lower, at least based on reason
I just heard back that They're not standardized for phosphatides, or anything else. Still, it's de-oiled lecithin granules, it should still have 4-7% PA. The listed choline content is also right up there with Fearn, and that means that the PC should also be about the same. If you're running 5tbsp/day, you can save over $0.25 per day, or almost $100 a year compared to the Fearn granules. I'll give them a try soon.Interesting. I'll prob stick with Fearn myself, but definitely appreciate the legwork getting this sorted out for others.
I've heard a lot of people mixing them in yogurt or straight into their protein shakes.Honestly struggling to get 3 spoons of SL down, tried just putting it in water and chugging, works better than plain eating it for now. What are your favorite ways to keep the granules down?
He's saying the gains he made off it our keepable. Tons of things are like that TTA, yohim, etc will give slight bloat, but fat loss effects are worth itSo why would we all stick with PA if it makes us more bloated and there is no strength drop off? Isn't the goal to always be more vascular/cut/etc?
Prob because Cutler is underdosed : )so a little weird after switching from 1 spoon of granules and Cutler to just Phospha i hit 405X5 on squats today and weight in general have felt really light
i havent gone over 365 on squats for a long time as well
Yes to off days. Increased mTOR every day = more MPS/muscle5 tbs? that is 50 gramms
Anyways do i need to take it on off days? even if I train 5 times a week? and when would you suggest if yes
thanks
5 tbsp is actually 37.5 grams.5 tbs? that is 50 gramms
Anyways do i need to take it on off days? even if I train 5 times a week? and when would you suggest if yes
thanks
Good feedback. I have stuck with Fearn from the beginning.Since I've switched from Swanson soy lecithin to Fearn soy lecithin my weight has increased by 3-4lbs.
Huge difference from the two! I'm ordering three more tubs of fearn
Not sure why everyone isn't just using Fearn's.Since I've switched from Swanson soy lecithin to Fearn soy lecithin my weight has increased by 3-4lbs.
Huge difference from the two! I'm ordering three more tubs of fearn
I'll never switch from fearn now UNLESS another manufacture has a higher % of phosphatides.Not sure why everyone isn't just using Fearn's.
Sounds goodI'll never switch from fearn now UNLESS another manufacture has a higher % of phosphatides.
I'm a helluva lot leaner while eating 2160 kcals a day (keep in mind I'm only 145lb)
260g cho
155g pro
60g fat
^^ these were my macros @ 155lb. I did however just reverse out of a 3 month cut. The reverse has been SLOW as well.
But the fearn is absolutely helping. I have muscle fullness on a day to day basis. Strength has come up slightly and again, I'm leaner/fuller at the above macros.
most popular dosing is 3tbs (22.5g) pre workout and 2 scoops (15g) post workout. 5 tbs a day!forgive me for not reading through the entire thread, but I have a few questions... just got my bottle a few weeks ago and planned to start today, how are you guys taking it? can you just throw it in a PWO shake or just spoon feed it preworkout?