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KvanH said:
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I was able to remove the cap with my fingernails. Basic kitchen knife should work if you don't have as girly fingernails as me, lol 😄

If you have emptied the tube to some degree, then you need something to reach the piston inside of course. The same kitchen knife or what ever stick should do the trick.
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i would use blunt ended instrument and not tip of kitchen knife!!!

but very good info @KvanH
 
thebigt said:
i would use blunt ended instrument and not tip of kitchen knife!!!

but very good info @KvanH
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Haha, true! Kitchen knife was the only term I could think of for regular knife in my kitchen that I use for eating. They have like a half a circle tip. Meat knifes and knifes to chop things are different. Maybe they are closer to butter knifes 🤔 My english skills coming to play here also I think.
 
KvanH said:
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I was able to remove the cap with my fingernails. Basic kitchen knife should work if you don't have as girly fingernails as me, lol

If you have emptied the tube to some degree, then you need something to reach the piston inside of course. The same kitchen knife or what ever stick should do the trick.
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Mmmm when I open the box this bottom tap was out then found this is was one of the four bottles I will try that
 
KvanH said:
I see. I think that happened to me a few times with Sustain Alpha. It didn't get stuck, but was a bit slow to get up. That's actually pretty common thing with any kind of lotion with pump unit, wether it's transdermal PH or shower gel or what ever.

If you try what Rob said and push the piston from the bottom, does the pushbutton jump up?
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KvanH said:
Haha, true! Kitchen knife was the only term I could think of for regular knife in my kitchen that I use for eating. They have like a half a circle tip. Meat knifes and knifes to chop things are different. Maybe they are closer to butter knifes 🤔 My english skills coming to play here also I think.
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even a butter knife has a blade thin enough to possibly cut lining---if using a butter knife i suggest using the handle end and not cutting end, lol :unsure:
 
thebigt said:
even a butter knife has a blade thin enough to possibly cut lining---if using a butter knife i suggest using the handle end and not cutting end, lol :unsure:
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Broom handle would be good
 
What's up fellas? I would like to ask about applying multiple td's. I'm running the Alpha Gainz 1-Andro and 4-Andro and am already doing applying twice a day due to the amount of products. Now if I was to add UH, how would I go about it? I think I remember some talk about layering of the products. I'm thinking could I apply the 1 and 4 first and then after like 10 mins apply the UH on top of it? Or should I try to find different application site for it?

Thanks.

@delsolrob @thebigt @cheftepesh1
 
KvanH said:
What's up fellas? I would like to ask about applying multiple td's. I'm running the Alpha Gainz 1-Andro and 4-Andro and am already doing applying twice a day due to the amount of products. Now if I was to add UH, how would I go about it? I think I remember some talk about layering of the products. I'm thinking could I apply the 1 and 4 first and then after like 10 mins apply the UH on top of it? Or should I try to find different application site for it?

Thanks.

@delsolrob @thebigt @cheftepesh1
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Both options would work. Personally I use different areas due to time.
 
KvanH said:
What's up fellas? I would like to ask about applying multiple td's. I'm running the Alpha Gainz 1-Andro and 4-Andro and am already doing applying twice a day due to the amount of products. Now if I was to add UH, how would I go about it? I think I remember some talk about layering of the products. I'm thinking could I apply the 1 and 4 first and then after like 10 mins apply the UH on top of it? Or should I try to find different application site for it?

Thanks.

@delsolrob @thebigt @cheftepesh1
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here is what i would do---4-andro on neck and shoulders. 1-andro on chest and inner arms. UH on inner thighs--tbh i'm not a fan of layering.
 
how many ml of each of the Alpha Gainz products are you applying?
 
delsolrob said:
how many ml of each of the Alpha Gainz products are you applying?
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Right now 1.2 ml 1-Andro and 1 ml 4-Andro a day (divided to AM and PM applying), but was planning on upping the 4-Andro to 1.5 ml.

So now:
2.2 ml a day (1.1 ml AM - 1.1 ml PM)

Possibly upping to:
2.7 ml a day (1.35 ml AM - 1.35 ml PM)

Was thinking of doing 4 pumps of the UH and would like to apply it all in the AM, as it should increase energy.
 
KvanH said:
Right now 1.2 ml 1-Andro and 1 ml 4-Andro a day (divided to AM and PM applying), but was planning on upping the 4-Andro to 1.5 ml.

So now:
2.2 ml a day (1.1 ml AM - 1.1 ml PM)

Possibly upping to:
2.7 ml a day (1.35 ml AM - 1.35 ml PM)

Was thinking of doing 4 pumps of the UH and would like to apply it all in the AM, as it should increase energy.
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KvanH said:
Right now 1.2 ml 1-Andro and 1 ml 4-Andro a day (divided to AM and PM applying), but was planning on upping the 4-Andro to 1.5 ml.

So now:
2.2 ml a day (1.1 ml AM - 1.1 ml PM)

Possibly upping to:
2.7 ml a day (1.35 ml AM - 1.35 ml PM)

Was thinking of doing 4 pumps of the UH and would like to apply it all in the AM, as it should increase energy.
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4 pumps of ultra hard is a lot all at once to inner thighs, go with your idea of applying 1 pump to each thigh, waiting a few minutes and applying additional pump to each thigh, at least this is what i would do.
 
thebigt said:
4 pumps of ultra hard is a lot all at once to inner thighs, go with your idea of applying 1 pump to each thigh, waiting a few minutes and applying additional pump to each thigh, at least this is what i would do.
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What about the better conversion rate when applying to the upper body? Am I grabbing on to unnecessery details here? I was initially thinking to layer the upper body that's already filled with the 1 and 4.. I work remotly from home so I can just sit behind my desk working with out shirt on while I wait for the products to dry. So no inconvinience with layering or wating for products to dry.
 
not sure about your size, I'm about 250lbs...

I can apply 3-4 pumps of any of the gels on one side - shoulder, inner bicep, trap, chest and down just a little bit onto my stomach. then I would apply the 1.1ml easily on one shoulder and inner bicep.
 
delsolrob said:
not sure about your size, I'm about 250lbs...

I can apply 3-4 pumps of any of the gels on one side - shoulder, inner bicep, trap, chest and down just a little bit onto my stomach. then I would apply the 1.1ml easily on one shoulder and inner bicep.
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I'm about 200 lbs (dang you make me feel small). I'd say 1.5 ml of AG stuff or Virtus and the wet products like that goes well to my neck, traps, shoulders and chest. Maybe 2 ml max. But I might be too obsessive with trying to spread it on a large area.

I think what it comes down to - to close this up - will layering the UH on top of dried AG Andros on upper body be better or not as good as applying the UH to other body parts (like inner thigs as T suggested)??

Edit: I kind of use up all/or most of my upper body areas when I aplly the AM or PM doses of the AG andros presently. But I could try to apply it in smaller area and save some space for the UH, but some layering will happen.
 
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if you're going to do some layering, just be sure to put the salvo based products on first.

Don't forget to hit that inner bicep with the products - it's a great application site and will open up a bit of real estate.
 
delsolrob said:
if you're going to do some layering, just be sure to put the salvo based products on first.

Don't forget to hit that inner bicep with the products - it's a great application site and will open up a bit of real estate.
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Sorry for my ingorance, but the AG td's are the Salvo's, right?
 
delsolrob said:
not sure about your size, I'm about 250lbs...

I can apply 3-4 pumps of any of the gels on one side - shoulder, inner bicep, trap, chest and down just a little bit onto my stomach. then I would apply the 1.1ml easily on one shoulder and inner bicep.
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lol....when i 1st joined this forum i was 265 at around 15% bf....i had to drop weight due to arthritis and not being able to lift heavy enough to maintain muscle tone at that weight...now i usually go between 180-185, but between the ultra eleven and having this damned covid i'm down to 175---but the good news is the mirror shows me getting really lean and not losing muscle tone---my wife says she likes me at this leaner weight.....WOMEN-eh, lol.
 
thebigt said:
lol....when i 1st joined this forum i was 265 at around 15% bf....i had to drop weight due to arthritis and not being able to lift heavy enough to maintain muscle tone at that weight...now i usually go between 180-185, but between the ultra eleven and having this damned covid i'm down to 175---but the good news is the mirror shows me getting really lean and not losing muscle tone---my wife says she likes me at this leaner weight.....WOMEN-eh, lol.
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lol, I was about 225 before being locked down in CA for a efing year. 🤬
 
Thank you fellas for taking the time = ) I think I'm all set and have options to try what works best for me. Maybe not the easiest customer, but continuing customer ; ) Have a great weekend good folks.
 
delsolrob said:
lol, I was about 225 before being locked down in CA for a efing year. 🤬
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wow....it took me around 4 years to go from 265 down to 185, but i managed to do it without loose skin so i was super happy about that!!!
 
KvanH said:
Thank you fellas for taking the time = ) I think I'm all set and have options to try what works best for me. Maybe not the easiest customer, but continuing customer ; ) Have a great weekend good folks.
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i can only speak for myself but i truly enjoy talking shop about the products in the line-up...thank you for being a great customer!!!
 
KvanH said:
Thank you fellas for taking the time = ) I think I'm all set and have options to try what works best for me. Maybe not the easiest customer, but continuing customer ; ) Have a great weekend good folks.
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trust me, we truly appreciate you!
 
KvanH said:
Thank you fellas for taking the time = ) I think I'm all set and have options to try what works best for me. Maybe not the easiest customer, but continuing customer ; ) Have a great weekend good folks.
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We truly appreciate you and are always here to ask questions.
 
Just applied my first dose of this bad boy. Dries super quick! Quicker than the salvo's and quicker than Sustain Alpha. Smell is a bit weird, like a heated silicon or epox or something. But the smell is not strong, I have to stick my face to my skin to smell it, so doesn't bother me at all. Applied 3 pumps to asses tolerance. Planning on going for 4 pumps and stay there the 5 weeks I have left of this cutting cycle. 3 pumps pretty much covered my traps, neck, chest, shoulders and inner arms. So going forward I'll apply 2 pumps to upper body, partly layering the moment ago applied, but dried Salvo's and 2 pumps to inner thighs, one pump each leg.

Very easy and smooth td to use 👌
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KvanH said:
Just applied my first dose of this bad boy. Dries super quick! Quicker than the salvo's and quicker than Sustain Alpha. Smell is a bit weird, like a heated silicon or epox or something. But the smell is not strong, I have to stick my face to my skin to smell it, so doesn't bother me at all. Applied 3 pumps to asses tolerance. Planning on going for 4 pumps and stay there the 5 weeks I have left of this cutting cycle. 3 pumps pretty much covered my traps, neck, chest, shoulders and inner arms. So going forward I'll apply 2 pumps to upper body, partly layering the moment ago applied, but dried Salvo's and 2 pumps to inner thighs, one pump each leg.

Very easy and smooth td to use 👌
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glad you got everything worked out!!!

keep us updated!!!
 
KvanH said:
Just applied my first dose of this bad boy. Dries super quick! Quicker than the salvo's and quicker than Sustain Alpha. Smell is a bit weird, like a heated silicon or epox or something. But the smell is not strong, I have to stick my face to my skin to smell it, so doesn't bother me at all. Applied 3 pumps to asses tolerance. Planning on going for 4 pumps and stay there the 5 weeks I have left of this cutting cycle. 3 pumps pretty much covered my traps, neck, chest, shoulders and inner arms. So going forward I'll apply 2 pumps to upper body, partly layering the moment ago applied, but dried Salvo's and 2 pumps to inner thighs, one pump each leg.

Very easy and smooth td to use
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Keep us updated.
 
Hey guys,

I have run Rad140 with alpha four for 4 weeks now and have seen a very good results although dermacrine served as a more sustained test base in my previous runs. Now a question, i have simultaneously ran out of both products on Thursday and my delivery of another A4 with rad will come only on Tuesday which translates to 4 off days. I wanted to complete 8 week run but I'm experiencing heavy suppression symptoms. Should I jump back into the cycle or break and PCT, is there a rule of thumb for that?
 
Terro7 said:
Hey guys,

I have run Rad140 with alpha four for 4 weeks now and have seen a very good results although dermacrine served as a more sustained test base in my previous runs. Now a question, i have simultaneously ran out of both products on Thursday and my delivery of another A4 with rad will come only on Tuesday which translates to 4 off days. I wanted to complete 8 week run but I'm experiencing heavy suppression symptoms. Should I jump back into the cycle or break and PCT, is there a rule of thumb for that?
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I personally would continue the cycle. Keep the dermacrine going which should aid in reducing some of the suppression symptoms. This way you will get the most out of the cycle.


You can pct and start a new cycle after a break.
 
Terro7 said:
Hey guys,

I have run Rad140 with alpha four for 4 weeks now and have seen a very good results although dermacrine served as a more sustained test base in my previous runs. Now a question, i have simultaneously ran out of both products on Thursday and my delivery of another A4 with rad will come only on Tuesday which translates to 4 off days. I wanted to complete 8 week run but I'm experiencing heavy suppression symptoms. Should I jump back into the cycle or break and PCT, is there a rule of thumb for that?
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I would also continue the cycle when the goods arrive. The latter part of the 8 weeks should be even more productive than the first 4 weeks, as sarms and andros usually take a few weeks to start elliciting their benefits, when it comes to performance.
 
continue the run!!!

and post some feedback, please!!!
 
patrick25 said:
3AD vs A7 for energy, libido
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why not both?

truthfully i have not tried 3-AD YET!!! so can't make comparison, but from what i've heard 3-AD makes everything better.

nice conversation starter---3-AD or ANDROSTERONE which is better for energy, libido?
 
No forplay right to the point I am. Nope just trying to have the cake and eat it too. Just trying to keep my costs down. Having lethargy lately and looking to boost it without heavy stimulants. I've used dermacrine and sustain alpha in the past but got nothing from them so maybe I'm just a non responder to those.
 
patrick25 said:
No forplay right to the point I am. Nope just trying to have the cake and eat it too. Just trying to keep my costs down. Having lethargy lately and looking to boost it without heavy stimulants. I've used dermacrine and sustain alpha in the past but got nothing from them so maybe I'm just a non responder to those.
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3-AD is kind of novel, imo...but i'm sure there has to be at least a few guys who have used both 3-AD and androsterone who will eventually weigh in.

right now rob is offering a limited run of 3-AD at iconic formulations....using my code it's only $40
 
Thank you all for weighing in. I'm going to continue the cycle. On the other hand is 3AD available through European carriers since it's a limited edition?

3AD > A7

Any day I guess for energy and libido. I'm also wondering about hair thinning out from A7. I have managed to try almost everything from black series: A4, Ultraepi, Icon One, A7 and the problem only occured with A7 what raises some concerns about 7keto
 
Terro7 said:
Thank you all for weighing in. I'm going to continue the cycle. On the other hand is 3AD available through European carriers since it's a limited edition?

3AD > A7

Any day I guess for energy and libido. I'm also wondering about hair thinning out from A7. I have managed to try almost everything from black series: A4, Ultraepi, Icon One, A7 and the problem only occured with A7 what raises some concerns about 7keto
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It’s sold out already
 
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yikes, I've never seen bottles like that before - looks like you put them in the freezer for storage. We should move this discussion to the Alpha Gainz section since these are totally different products/brands/packaging/carriers.

to clear the dropper - you need to pull some salvo (iron legion carrier) into the dropper while the bottle is warming. I would let it sit in hot water for 10-15 minutes while checking on it occasionally.

the crystals in the empty bottle would be a little challenging to recover
 
absolutly
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Can someone please tell me how wet the gains are with alpha four? I've got 2 bottles I'm waiting to start. Like, is there a lot of water retention or can the gains be kept fairly dry through diet? Also how is it on the hairline?

Thanks
 
The androsterone in the Alpha Four is going to help keep it pretty dry. The risk to the hairline should be moderate, but will really be determined by how prone you are to shedding.

I'm sure there are some others who can chime in here who have run Alpha Four

@Afi140, @thebigt
 
Jim500 said:
Can someone please tell me how wet the gains are with alpha four? I've got 2 bottles I'm waiting to start. Like, is there a lot of water retention or can the gains be kept fairly dry through diet? Also how is it on the hairline?

Thanks
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the addition of androsterone will keep gains drier than just 4-andro on it's own-for me the gains are mostly lean.

i don't have any issue with hairloss and i don't remember hearing of it being a issue.

personally i love alpha four, hope it treats you well!!!
 
Thanks for the feedback. I suppose I can always cut it short if the shedding gets bad. I'll post back in 12 weeks if it goes well!
 
Just got some A7. Stacking it with Iron Legion 11-KT and Var. I just want to shed some fat and cut up for summer. Just hoping I won't be tanking cortisol too much with this.
 
delsolrob said:
The androsterone in the Alpha Four is going to help keep it pretty dry. The risk to the hairline should be moderate, but will really be determined by how prone you are to shedding.

I'm sure there are some others who can chime in here who have run Alpha Four

@Afi140, @thebigt
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How long is advisable to use Alpha Seven? Like minimum and maximum optimal length
 
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